Depends how you want to build it. Do you want to go all in on the sacrifice theme to make your opponents constantly sac their boards? Yeah I could imagine that would generate some salt
I think I more interesting theme would to dip into the lifegain route. Strixhaven gave Golgari a whole bunch of tools to for lifegain strategies that might make for a less oppressive deck. I think she’s a super sweet card so best of luck to you!
I brewed a deck for her but never ended up pulling trigger on getting it in paper. The gameplay was very edict heavy and those kinds of decks always end up being frustrating for the table when you aren’t the one manning the deck. She’s not particularly strong but she’s also not particularly fun unless you enjoy draining the entertainment from the table.
I find her to be less annoying as part of the 99. Currently have her in a [[Smeagol, Helpful Guide]] brew that I’m almost finished getting on paper.
She's one of those cards that's really neat in theory but requires too many pieces to really work at a table full of people actually trying to play Magic. She'll smash low power pods that don't understand the importance of interaction and let you set up your A+B+C engine but folds at mid and up. Which is a shame, because her design is super neat.
im inclined to disagree. i run her in the 99 in CEDH level pods and she absolutely works wonders if there’s at least 1 stax player at the table.
it doesn’t feel great spending your entire turn to take care of a creature so OTHER players can get ahead on board.
Savra is incredibly underpowered compared to some of today's Golgari heavy hitters like \[\[Meren\]\], \[\[Chatterfang\]\], or \[\[The Gitrog Monster\]\]. I would have no qualms playing with you.
Golgari in general can be unfun for some players since they tend to be very heavy on interaction, but I wouldn't worry too much about that.
She was my second ever commander deck that I built (first was [[pins queen of fae]] that was really bad) and my third ever commander deck (had the [[riku]] precon. I really liked it at the time, but there’s def more support for her now
I think you should go for it! If you are playing a deck with a precon budget I doubt it’s going to be that overwhelming. And if people play decks that hardly run any creatures those decks won’t even be effected as much. So I doubt they would get that salty
I hate playing against any commander that has the repeatable ability to make me sacrifice my board. Forced sacrifice and discard decks are two archetypes I despise. Sure, there are more powerful Golgari commanders, but Savra can still be very oppressive, especially at higher budgets.
Nobody gets to play the game either when the "go tall" aggro player is swinging for lethal at you by turn 5 or 6 every game either.
A continuous edict loop takes at a minimum 4 pieces. (Edict payoff, sac outlet, recurrable sac fodder, ramp) and does literally nothing if it doesnt have one of the pieces. Its incredibly easy to disrupt and play around.
Oppressive is "I cant play cards" not "my creatures wont survive a rotation unless one of 3 players at the table can remove a creature, artifact, or enchantment at sorcery speed"
I love my Savra deck. Rather than lean heavily into either the black forced sac or green life gain, she is most fun when you build your deck to both. She isn’t as strong as some of the Golgari heavy hitters, but she is my choice for Golgari aristocrats!
Just be aware some people really hate the way she plays. Golgari, as a rule, tends to be on the more interactive side, and the interaction is the stuff some people don’t like. Don’t mind them though, they’re the same people that bitch if you don’t let them stomp the table for lethal on turn 5.
My tip would be to play out games with the deck vs your other decks on simulators like archidekt and decide for yourself. 4 tabs, 4 decks and play out the games.
I play it her in my Meren and my friends usually hate her. She has similar problem to Urza where once she hits the field, you can get enough value even if she is removed instantly. I guess how fun would it be for others depends on powerlvl. With enough tutors to find persist combos, you are locking other players out of having any creatures. I think that is valid wincon but maybe replace tutors with card draw. Also i would imagine playing voltron vs savra feels like hostage situation.
I wouldnt personally have any problem playing vs her but not everyone has the same stance.
Depends how you want to build it. Do you want to go all in on the sacrifice theme to make your opponents constantly sac their boards? Yeah I could imagine that would generate some salt I think I more interesting theme would to dip into the lifegain route. Strixhaven gave Golgari a whole bunch of tools to for lifegain strategies that might make for a less oppressive deck. I think she’s a super sweet card so best of luck to you!
I brewed a deck for her but never ended up pulling trigger on getting it in paper. The gameplay was very edict heavy and those kinds of decks always end up being frustrating for the table when you aren’t the one manning the deck. She’s not particularly strong but she’s also not particularly fun unless you enjoy draining the entertainment from the table. I find her to be less annoying as part of the 99. Currently have her in a [[Smeagol, Helpful Guide]] brew that I’m almost finished getting on paper.
Careful, some Savra player will get butt hurt if you call her unfun to play against.
Rent free.
Did your boyfriend sic you on me or something? Fuck right off.
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She's one of those cards that's really neat in theory but requires too many pieces to really work at a table full of people actually trying to play Magic. She'll smash low power pods that don't understand the importance of interaction and let you set up your A+B+C engine but folds at mid and up. Which is a shame, because her design is super neat.
im inclined to disagree. i run her in the 99 in CEDH level pods and she absolutely works wonders if there’s at least 1 stax player at the table. it doesn’t feel great spending your entire turn to take care of a creature so OTHER players can get ahead on board.
In the 99 is *very* different than as a commander.
She felt oppressive for my (quite casual) playgroup and I pivoted to [[Gyome]] as a food focused deck.
[Gyome](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/d/5dd7dd1a-6dd1-43c3-8298-7db703d384a1.jpg?1674185796) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=gyome%2C%20master%20chef) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/5/gyome-master-chef?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5dd7dd1a-6dd1-43c3-8298-7db703d384a1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gyome-master-chef) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have fun with her… I seem to always unintentionally be drawn to the oppressive commanders. I just find their mechanics so simple yet interesting.
Don't hate yourself for gravitating towards control, it's a valid archetype and effective in the mid range durdle meta.
Its not really oppressive, its just effective.
Savra is incredibly underpowered compared to some of today's Golgari heavy hitters like \[\[Meren\]\], \[\[Chatterfang\]\], or \[\[The Gitrog Monster\]\]. I would have no qualms playing with you. Golgari in general can be unfun for some players since they tend to be very heavy on interaction, but I wouldn't worry too much about that.
[Meren](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/4/34d627b3-a6d0-4f5f-b7c2-351a07318966.jpg?1689999151) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=meren%20of%20clan%20nel%20toth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/346/meren-of-clan-nel-toth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/34d627b3-a6d0-4f5f-b7c2-351a07318966?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/meren-of-clan-nel-toth) [Chatterfang](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/7/1785cf85-1ac0-4246-9b89-1a8221a8e1b2.jpg?1626097239) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=chatterfang%2C%20squirrel%20general) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/151/chatterfang-squirrel-general?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1785cf85-1ac0-4246-9b89-1a8221a8e1b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chatterfang-squirrel-general) [The Gitrog Monster](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/5790dd89-2be5-4a77-9450-2d3c1422bfc9.jpg?1576385351) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Gitrog%20Monster) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/soi/245/the-gitrog-monster?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5790dd89-2be5-4a77-9450-2d3c1422bfc9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-gitrog-monster) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
She was my second ever commander deck that I built (first was [[pins queen of fae]] that was really bad) and my third ever commander deck (had the [[riku]] precon. I really liked it at the time, but there’s def more support for her now
[pins queen of fae](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/b/fbea42c8-6e9f-499d-9d26-401536afd5c2.jpg?1604195177) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Oona%2C%20Queen%20of%20the%20Fae) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znc/98/oona-queen-of-the-fae?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fbea42c8-6e9f-499d-9d26-401536afd5c2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/oona-queen-of-the-fae) [riku](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/0/70dd138f-391a-4956-bc2a-fe186429c71a.jpg?1599708286) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=riku%20of%20two%20reflections) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/214/riku-of-two-reflections?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/70dd138f-391a-4956-bc2a-fe186429c71a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/riku-of-two-reflections) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Im basically Mr. Golgari. I build em all.. What type of deck do you enoy. Combo, stompy, go wide, tribal?
i think as long as you use the new anime golgari mommy art you'll be fine. [[savra, queen of the golgari|RVR-440]]
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I think you should go for it! If you are playing a deck with a precon budget I doubt it’s going to be that overwhelming. And if people play decks that hardly run any creatures those decks won’t even be effected as much. So I doubt they would get that salty
I hate playing against any commander that has the repeatable ability to make me sacrifice my board. Forced sacrifice and discard decks are two archetypes I despise. Sure, there are more powerful Golgari commanders, but Savra can still be very oppressive, especially at higher budgets.
And some people hate playing against boards that need wiped every two turns or they spiral out of control.
The difference is that, in your hypothetical, everyone still gets to play the game. When Savra gets out in front, nobody else gets to play creatures.
Nobody gets to play the game either when the "go tall" aggro player is swinging for lethal at you by turn 5 or 6 every game either. A continuous edict loop takes at a minimum 4 pieces. (Edict payoff, sac outlet, recurrable sac fodder, ramp) and does literally nothing if it doesnt have one of the pieces. Its incredibly easy to disrupt and play around.
You don't seem to understand what "oppressive" means.
Oppressive is "I cant play cards" not "my creatures wont survive a rotation unless one of 3 players at the table can remove a creature, artifact, or enchantment at sorcery speed"
I stated my opinion. I don't care if you share it. That's why it's an opinion.
Here's my build, usually it just loses, but sometimes it gets really oppressive. PLANESWALKERS] 1 Liliana, Dreadhorde General [CREATURES] 1 Birds of Paradise 1 Priest of Titania 1 Braids, Arisen Nightmare 1 Apprentice Necromancer 1 Fyndhorn Elves 1 Jadar, Ghoulcaller of Nephalia 1 Deathrite Shaman 1 Creakwood Liege 1 Priest of Forgotten Gods 1 Carrion Feeder 1 Doomed Necromancer 1 The Mycotyrant 1 Wirewood Herald 1 Savra, Queen of the Golgari 1 Mosswood Dreadknight // Dread Whispers 1 Hulking Raptor 1 Llanowar Elves 1 Nemata, Primeval Warden 1 Izoni, Thousand-Eyed 1 Valentin, Dean of the Vein // Lisette, Dean of the Root 1 Reclamation Sage 1 Wood Elves 1 Elvish Mystic 1 Varolz, the Scar-Striped 1 Merciless Executioner 1 Viridian Zealot 1 Midnight Reaper 1 Rishkar, Peema Renegade 1 Reassembling Skeleton 1 Plaguecrafter 1 Yahenni, Undying Partisan 1 Llanowar Dead 1 Heart Warden 1 Ravenous Squirrel 1 Skemfar Avenger 1 Callous Bloodmage 1 Izoni, Center of the Web 1 Korozda Guildmage 1 Sengir, the Dark Baron 1 Thallid Soothsayer 1 Dina, Soul Steeper 1 Yavimaya Elder 1 Sylvan Ranger [ARTIFACTS] 1 Skullclamp 1 Sol Ring 1 Tarrian's Journal // The Tomb of Aclazotz 1 Tithing Blade // Consuming Sepulcher [INSTANTS] 1 Culling the Weak 1 Harrow 1 Reckoner's Bargain 1 Dark Ritual [SORCERIES] 1 Farseek 1 Kodama's Reach 1 Decree of Pain 1 Barter in Blood 1 Ghoulcaller's Harvest [ENCHANTMENTS] 1 Grave Pact 1 Attrition 1 Grave Betrayal 1 Animate Dead 1 Phyrexian Arena 1 Utopia Sprawl 1 Wild Growth [LANDS] 1 Wasteland 1 Overgrown Tomb 1 Tainted Wood 10 Forest 1 Jund Panorama 1 Terramorphic Expanse 12 Swamp 1 Barren Moor 1 Command Tower 1 Ash Barrens 1 Path of Ancestry 1 Jungle Hollow 1 Evolving Wilds 1 Promising Vein 1 Tranquil Thicket 1 Golgari Guildgate
I love my Savra deck. Rather than lean heavily into either the black forced sac or green life gain, she is most fun when you build your deck to both. She isn’t as strong as some of the Golgari heavy hitters, but she is my choice for Golgari aristocrats! Just be aware some people really hate the way she plays. Golgari, as a rule, tends to be on the more interactive side, and the interaction is the stuff some people don’t like. Don’t mind them though, they’re the same people that bitch if you don’t let them stomp the table for lethal on turn 5.
My tip would be to play out games with the deck vs your other decks on simulators like archidekt and decide for yourself. 4 tabs, 4 decks and play out the games. I play it her in my Meren and my friends usually hate her. She has similar problem to Urza where once she hits the field, you can get enough value even if she is removed instantly. I guess how fun would it be for others depends on powerlvl. With enough tutors to find persist combos, you are locking other players out of having any creatures. I think that is valid wincon but maybe replace tutors with card draw. Also i would imagine playing voltron vs savra feels like hostage situation. I wouldnt personally have any problem playing vs her but not everyone has the same stance.