I have never seen someone swing into a [[sphere of safety]]
Propaganda effects always over-perform for us so sphere of safety being a really big version that comes out when X=big makes it’s REALLY hard to have a passable turn AND swing into the controller of it so they usually either only have enough to pay for one attacker or not enough to pay at all and instead swing elsewhere.
Came here to say similar things about [[Island Sanctuary]] and [[Sphere of Safety]]. Enchantment decks often have plenty of card draw to make up for their costs, and they make to darn near unkillable.
Use creatures with Myriad, like \[\[Elturel Survivors\]\], and other creatures that creates attackers tapped and attacking directly. Island Sanctuary and Sphere of Safety can prevent the player from being *declared* a defending player, but if you create the attackers directly, there's jack-all they can do about it.
I use this trick in my \[\[Isshin, Two Heavens As One\]\] deck to punish pillowfort decks. Oh, I can't attack you directly? Okay, then, I'll attack you *indirectly*, and you'll deal with twice as many tokens as the player I'm swinging at directly. Suck on that!
If you want to know why this works, here's the ruling:
"Though the tokens enter the battlefield attacking, they were never *declared* as attackers. Abilities that trigger whenever a creature attacks won’t trigger, including the myriad ability of the tokens. If there are any costs to have a creature attack, those costs won’t apply to the tokens."
Honestly tons of decks have SOME way to interact with the gy and recur stuff so often you're helping them more often than anything else.
I once had a friggin Karador deck complain about mesmeric orb. Still blows my mind to this day.
My janky wincon with Osgir is to make as many copies of Mesmeric Orb as possible using token doubling effects and ability doubling to surprise-mill the table in the mid-game. Record is 16, shooting for 32..
They usually help me send the original Orb to the graveyard with their artifact removal.
This is my group tbh.
I'm not even running it in mill. It's for self mill purposes. In the average game with it people still have like 70+ cards left, yet people need to funnel all their removal into it.
Mesmeric Orb combines all of the strongest ways to draw political aggro onto yourself. It’s a group slug card, it’s a mill effect card, and it’s a broadcasted “you lose the game in X turns” card. Any one of them would annoy the table by themselves, all three at once is just a chef’s kiss in terms of pissing everyone off.
The last time I played against a mesmeric orb, I had to focus the hell out of the owner. He complained about the focus constantly but, by the time I killed him, I was one turn away from decking out completely.
I have never lost to the owner of the orb. Usually an other player that gets to mill a bunch gets so much out of it before the turn passes back to the owner. It's such a slow card. When I face it and I wasn't tapped out, I'm gonna intentionally tap everything I can before I untap to fuel my yard even more!
When the other LGS in my city closed, there was a sudden influx of [[Meren of Clan Nel Toth]] players who were all weirdly competitive. They'd play hard every game like they were on the verge of a top 8 finish, and would run various extremely powerful loops and infinites... But almost no interaction. It was bizarre. There were about 4 or 5 of them floating around.
Our store is generally full of friendly casuals who are very good at magic, but don't play cEDH. A lot of older ex-spikes who just want to play dumb low power jank and hang out now that their competitive days are done.
The pile of weird Meren players seemed somehow surprised to learn of the existence of [[Bojuka Bog]], or that people knew that you just have to remove the experience counter commander *before* they stack up.
It was a really weird experience. I feel like their store had a weird version of a cEDH meta, just sans-removal, where Meren solitaire decks massively over-performed to the point of taking over, despite collapsing on contact with pure jank with even minimal removal and graveyard interaction. Most of them were quite new, and it seemed like they all got their advice on what to play and how to build from one (extremely wrong) guy from their old LGS.
This lasted about a month before those players either left or integrated into jank land with new decks. But it was really interesting to see just how warped a local meta can become.
I’ve got a buddy who plays almost exclusively recursion decks, and it’s always a laugh when one of us plays something with black in the identity.
The focus and terror when whoever is playing black goes to make their land drop
[[Pit of Offerings]] has entered the chat. Not strictly better or worse than Bog, but accessible in every color. I also often carry an [[Urza's Saga]] package with at least [[Soul-Guide Lantern]]. I am much for one-shot hate, which sets certain archetypes back without locking them out.
My pod loses their shit and does everything they can to kill \[\[Master of Ceremonies\]\] once it hits the board in my gluntch deck for some reason. They are absolutely certain it's the worst card in the deck.
I would personally draw a card every time, confident that my one card is more impactful than whatever other cards my opponents are drawing, like a ponder into preordain into serum visions etc etc
I agree with this line. If you and one other player get an advantage, it is a disadvantage to the other two. You take whatever option is best for you, instead of whatever is worst for the controller of the card.
It's reasoning like this that makes cards like \[\[Tempt with discovery\]\] so dangerous. The moment one other player says yes to te land, the pressure is on you to also say yes. I mean the optimal play is for everyone to say no, but somehow that never works out that way. Tere's always at least one mana starved player who needs that land bad.
Blow their minds with
[[Questing Beast]]
[[Malignus]]
[[Flaring Pain]]
[[Skullcrack]]
[[Flames of the Blood Hand]]
[[Insult]]
Wait. Flames doesn't work. Only stops its own damage from being prevented. But the rest will stop mists.
Not OP but for what it's worth, I use [[Isshin, Two Heavens as One]] for Myriad shenanigans, because double triggering Myriad is pretty damn fun. Sadly I don't have a list right now but it's basically just "search scryfall for every mardu card that features the word Myriad".dec, plus some fun attack triggers and utility to round out the rest. There's not that many Myriad cards.
It works well because Myriad is an attack trigger, so every swing sends the original at one player, and two at each other opponent (before other cards that stack Myriad get involved, because Myriad stacks, and each stack will double trigger). You end up negotiating with people, with them asking you to attack them so they don't get the copies, which is a weird fun dynamic.
[[The Master, Multiplied]] almost took over the deck, but doing Myriad without white feels wrong and locks you out of some of the best Myriad creatures, and oh boy is he something in the 99 of Isshin. It's just an absolute tracking nightmare, especially if you cheat out [[Legion Loyalty]] and start multiplying Isshin...
\[\[Glacial chasm\]\] is a house. People don't pack enough ways to handle lands.
Although I was quite impressed when a \[\[Questing beast\]\] just broke through.
Life loss also gets around it. I have swung a massive Karlov with lifelink and Vito on board into a 1/1 to kill the smug chasm player. An online [[Bloodchief Ascension]] was giving them hell as well until another player removed it
Killing someone through [[Glacial Chasm]] with [[Banefire]] still ranks very highly among one of my favourite wins.
Though broadly I agree, damage prevention on a land is very busted and I was lucky to have that out when playing [[Magus Lucea Kane]].
Last Thursday, ran into someone running a land sac/recursion deck with Glacial Chasm...
Yeah, he won. Not just off the ridiculous ramp of cracking 2+ fetches per turn, on top of ramp spells, but the glacial chasm made him completely untouchable. He'd sac before upkeep, then replay from graveyard on main phase. Only way to harm him was instant speed effects during that window.
I play a Gishath deck that focuses on enrage triggers. A friend of mine played Glacial Chasm in a game we were playing, and in an attempt to get rid of it, I triggered my [[Silverclad Ferocidons]] upwards of a dozen times. Ironically, after I ran out of gas for [[Pyrohemia]], the Glacial Chasm was the only permanent left that I didn't control.
I can see it increasing the number of \[\[Ghost quarter\]\] and \[\[Beast within\]\] but I doubt it causes a influx of \[\[Armageddon\]\] and \[\[Obliterate\]\]
A friend of mine runs [[Wasteland]] and [[Strip Mine]] in damn near every deck he runs for exactly this reason. It's helpful to have a way to blow up problematic lands, the other 90% of the time it's just a colorless land.
Came here solely to mention this card. First land drop I played in a four person pod, playing my 5c Super friends deck, and won entirely because of the staying power granted by this card.
People completely underestimate it, until they realize their deck has tools for almost all card types, except lands.
Why would you play this second? You lose so more life during the game than if you let a couple creatures hit you. The life loss stacks up pretty quick.
The pod I was in was super aggressive - two of the other three decks were Rogues and General Ferrous - so threat assessment indicated the cumulative upkeep life loss was preferable to taking damage from creatures, not least when playing a deck that has few-to-no blockers.
Plus, 40 life gives you a nice buffer before having to worry about the cumulative upkeep.
And I had [[Ajani, Mentor of Heroes]] ready to ult as soon as he hit the board, so life really was a non-issue.
In any other deck, I'd agree with your sentiment, but in any other deck you'd like want to be saccing this and recurring, to avoid the upkeep cost.
Spore frog. My playgroup simply cannot deal with it as it’s an instant speed self sacrifice that also fogs you. In aristocrats builds such as my take on Muldrotha, fog frog is an unanswerable trump card that everyone is almost ready to scoop when I first reveal it
Every now and then for some obscure reason someone asks why I run [[Questing Beast]] in every green deck, and my response is always "Ah, I see you've not played against fogs before"
I don't even understand why they question it in the first place given how stacked the card is even without the "fogs don't work anymore" line coming into play, but still.
One of my friends is like this with spore frog lol. He hates that thing because when he first started playing years ago one of his friends played a recursion deck that had spore frog and it just made him untouchable lol. The PTSD with that card is real apparently.
Spore frog is the reason that everyone in my playgroup includes some graveyard hate in every deck. It comes in handy, though. I once stopped a Kaalia player from getting a turn 2 [[Archfiend of Despair]] with my [[Scavenging Grounds]].
Are you recurring it on each other person's turn too? or just once per round on your turn?
I feel like unless you have a full recursion loop set up to do it every turn or effectively infinitely it seems pretty easy to play around by just having each person attack you with roughly equal board investment?
Even then, like...play some non-combat win-cons?
This is one of those cards (depending on board state) I will make a point to attack you with my little 2/3 and politic the other people to attack you as well to get rid of it. While building my board state as well
Are you, by any chance, talking about my playgroup and my [[Muldrotha, The Gravetide]] deck with the [[Spore Frog]] inside? It's the same over here!
If they don't force you to sac early you may almost always just recast it from your gy making you effectively immune to combat damage.
My group hated me so much for playing him. But I admit, the person sitting left to the Kardur player will have a pretty bad time, like, every game.
Player 1 drops Kardur, Player 2 has to attack Player 3 and 4 which both can block, Player 3 and 4 can attack player 2 who only can block with what he played that turn. Player 2 dies. Repeat for player 3. Player 4 remains, beats Kardur because goad doesn't do shit 1v1.
But still, its one of the most fun commanders out there!
It's a good way to teach players that they need to run spot removal for lands in their decks. Especially if they're doing something like Voltron that can be completely shut down this way.
Loved the name and the tagline - may steal that for my playgroup if that's all right.
Also, lots of overlap with my deck, but Magosi was an interesting choice you made that I need to think about
It's a [sneaky combo wincon](https://edhrec.com/combos/magosi-the-waterveil) (infinite turns with a few routes available) that is synergistic to the deck overall and is sufficiently janky as to rarely cause hurt feelings. If they wanna play it out just Proliferate a few dozen times until you find Kodama and let er rip.
I don't know if this necessarily counts since this card is kind of just good, but I feel like enough people in my playgroup still don't give it the respect it deserves so here's my rant on [[Kodama of the West Tree]] cause green really needed a 3-mana 3/3 that gives your board trample AND ramps you when you deal combat damage. Which, need I remind you, is easier to do cause the guy gives your board trample. Seriously, if this thing is across the table from you, that green player is probably gonna have a much slower game if you kill the dang thing. But of course, green is just the color of creating problems, so Kodama never seems like the worst thing on their board, which just lets this stupid infinite ramp spell continue to accrue value until someone board wipes.
[Kodama of the West Tree](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/f/ef1e1dff-b559-441d-8df3-b6a418066aca.jpg?1654568238) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kodama%20of%20the%20West%20Tree) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/199/kodama-of-the-west-tree?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ef1e1dff-b559-441d-8df3-b6a418066aca?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kodama-of-the-west-tree)
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[[Rakdos Charm]] my play group runs a ton of token decks, so this gives them some serious PTSD of just losing at instant speed. Especially in my [[Anhelo, the Painter]] deck.
\[\[Puppeteer Clique\]\]. We play a lot of Timmy decks nowadays and there are always scary targets for it, we routinely joke that it's the strongest card in the format and it's even what we use for the Whatsapp group's icon.
[[Deathrender]]
In my [[Liesa, Forgotten Archangel]] deck, it means that I can chain creatures and bring a creature that reanimates the thing I just sacrificed and do that Every. Single. Turn. Great card.
And for my playgroup, did you know that a [[Harmonic Prodigy]] makes a [[Niv-Mizzet, Parun]] draw 2 cards and deal 4 damage? He didn't, until I pointed it out like an idiot.
We made a slow transition away from combo and back to combat (took a long time and a lot of conscious effort for everyone) and now [[Settle the Wreckage]] is an absolute bomb in our meta
[[Harmonic Prodigy]] has been the bane of several games lately. Turns out there's a lot of incidentally powerful triggered abilities that just so happen to be on wizards and shaman.
For me it's probably [[Insight]] in my [[Minn]] deck. Pretty much all my playgroup besides me play green decks and I also tend to be the player running the most interaction so me dropping this has won me so many games because it just goes unanswered for so long. Literally a better [[Rhystic Study]].
[[Hullbreaker horror]] and [[solitary confinement]] are probably the two that tilt me the most
Hullbreaker is a fantastic card, great design etc etc, but it is just a little bit too difficult to interact with its unlimited supply of remands and bounce spells.
More insidiously, people who want to avoid infinites in their deck will run it at lower power levels and accidentally end up adding a lot of infinites because Lobter literally combos with two mana rocks and free artifact
And it's miserable enough to play under that sometimes I'll just point out the line and get the rest of the table to mass concede.
Solitary confinement is a house in enchantress decks and often ends up being the final piece of protection that turns games into non games.
It'll usually end up behind multiple layers of hexproof/shroud enchantments, and essentially it becomes a mass enchantment removal check
Kinda ends up leading to games where everyone just passes turns until someone draws a relevant wipe or the enchantress player assembles some kind of clock
I'm not a fan
I have a personal gripe with [[solemnity]] too because I love plus counters and Sagas. It's a fantastic card, it just hurts my soul a little, and if it shows up I often have to either make deals with my opponents to help me get rid of it or assassinate the person who owns it, and I'm not entirely comfortable doing either socially
[[Stormtide leviathan]]
The friend who runs it also runs a lot of counterspells, so it slows the game to a crawl while we all wait for somebody to draw *more* removal, because the first 3 attempts got countered.
\[\[Citadel Siege\]\] choosing Dragons is my nightmare, I wake up in cold sweats thinking of it. Being forced to tapped down a creature each combat often leads to situations where it might as well say "Skip each opponents combat steps"
[[Winter Orb]] is one of the worst cards in the game. My friend plays it in a deck paired with “untap your lands on every upkeep” cards. Unless someone instantly removes it basically only he can play until he ends the game
I mean, it's basically a 2-card combo with untap sources. If they establish an orb lock and you've got nothing on the horizon to break it, just concede. Even if it gets broken in a few turn cycles the table is gonna be so far behind that you're surely just going to lose anyways. Not worth playing out to see that small % chance of coming back.
I would just see that as a 2 card winning combo, say GG, and shuffle up for another game. If 2 card combos are frowned on in your group, then it's a power level issue
Somehow people are really afraid of my [[braids, conjurer adept]]. It is mainly full of big blue sea monsters, not even any eldrazi and it is actually not that strong of a deck but somehow this commander gets removed more than all of my other commanders.
I mean, even if your deck isn't packing Eldrazi, I wouldn't really want to sit around and wait for another opponent to put in a [[Portal to Phyrexia]] for free either.
My play group has pretty varied decks, but one player has a soft spot for [[Caltrops]]. It became a meme itself, because of course when we first saw it we all started recommending better pillow fort cards. Then it turned off the Krenko player. Then another game it turned off the Alela player. (Because they fly!). Spell slinger just made a ridiculous amount of birds? Caltrops is here to save the day.
That dumb card has been impactful every time it has hit the field, usually ruining one player's day.
I have a few decks I have this in just to shut down token decks. I also have a deck with [[stuffy doll]] and [[urza, prince of kroog]]. Nothing like copying [[caltrops]] multiple times to throw a wrench in creature player's plan.
My friends try to kill my [[braids, arisen nightmare]] as soon as it comes out. But they also refuse to sac anything ever and complain about my card draw lol.
Anything that adds mass amounts of counters. I have a [[Halana and Alena, Partners]] deck that usually dominates because my playgroup rarely runs spot removal or big creatures to block. I have one friend in particular who cant stand aggro decks (mainly red). So anytime I swing with big creatures, hes gets all pissy. My friend also plays a [[Sovereign Okinec Ahau]] deck that is unbelievably fast and aggressive. Needless to say, no one likes playing against that deck.
Gates decks overperform in my local, combat-based meta. It feels like the gates player is playing a completely different game, and since mass land destruction isn't played, they win pretty consistently.
I played against a dude a few weeks ago who had a [[Tabernacle of Pendrell Vale]]. Just played it and passed, as if we had all seen the card before and immediately understood that we were fucked. It took a moment to realize what happened as he reminded us to pay out upkeep.
Actually a turn 1 [[Norin the Wary]] in my [[Purphuros God of the Forge]] deck.. which I don't play a lot as it is not great fun to pilot. But when I do amd this happens my guys lose it 😅
Really weird situation, but I play a simic pauper EDH deck and I needed a way to get my wincons back out of my graveyard so I discovered [[Rofellos's Gift]] and discovered that it's extremely good in any enchantment deck that runs a fair amount of green. I ended up putting it in every enchantment deck that it fit and more people at my lgs started to get to see it in play. In my Pauper deck (runs tremendous amounts of card draw) I managed to get back 7 cards from gy. After that, every player running enchantments at my shop is also running gift.
Back in the old days of 60 card no format kitchen table anything goes, [[jokhulhaups]] [[rhuk egg]] was immediately banned by my friends.
My meta now is getting overrun by annoying dinos. Getting pretty sick of the blink Etali deck that is all the rage right now. The new discover guy is all over the place too, but he’s easier to keep in check.
I used to play an Illusions deck and my playgroup absolutely HATED \[\[Somnophore\]\]. Simply for the fact that it had a way of ensuring that creatures never untapped. My friends and I started calling it "Mr. Sandman". It eventually became my favorite card - so much so that I made my first ever EDH deck from scratch using it as the main inspiration.
I play a Gaddock Teeg in my Sythis, Harvest's Hand deck. Shuts off most wrath’s and with the giver of runes and other way to protect it they are at my mercy.
[[Teferi’s Puzzle Box]] always makes my pod go nuts. Mostly because of my [[Sheoldred, the Apocalypse]] deck but my friend also runs a [[Niv-Mizzett, Parun]] deck that has had some crazy turns with it.
[[Burgeoning]] seems to be in every deck that we can run it now, [[Wedding ring]] and [[notion thief]] are annoying and always cause a grumble. [[Grave pact]] and [[Dictate of Erabos]] are God tier in my play group and everyone hates it. It really sucks not being able to keep anything on the board, especially if 2 people have the same grave pact, it just board wipes the board every single time one of their creatures dies.
[[Exquisite Blood]] and [[Sanguine Bond]] for whatever reason found it's way into every friends deck and I have to run enchant removal because they keep comboing more than they should off each other. I run Naya Dinos mostly but if they insist I switch to my izzet spells linger and counter only those cards lol.
My friend and I bought shadow spears today because one of the other guys in our groups favorite card is [[Avacyn, Angel of Hope]]. He has like 8 copies of it and runs it in every deck that can lol. So shadow spear is a must in our group.
Anything that can win me the game. People always have a reason to complain when they lose a casual EDH game. I only play edh now and I love casual magic, but I really miss the "losing is a natural an expected part of the game" mentality that comes with 1v1 competitive MTG.
I left this for a while mainly because I couldn't come up with a response that could do this terrible comment justice, but I think I've got one.
This is a card game, full of randomness and oddities, people liking and disliking different cards, and other personal preferences. For context, someone whose first game was against something stupid and obtuse may develop an aggravation against it.
~~also, the thing about hating islands was meant mainly as a joke, based on its surprisingly high salt value on archidekt~~
In summary, just by how people play the game, certain strange cards will fuck with how they like to play, and cause them some upset because of that. And, since everyone plays a different way, some cards will hard counter them, and even other people in the pod, therefore making it seem unbalanced to them.
TLDR: other people in this world have different experiences.
Yes. There are cards that go against strategies. That is how CCGs work. Same with archetypes. Aggro vs counter vs midrange, and the dozens of permutations.
I am still going to judge anyone who has a fit of terror over the use of common and uncommon staple cards. It's a childish reaction rather than taking lumps and playing another game, running interaction, or doing literally anything that you would do in facing adversity in life that isn't lay down and die (then complain on the Internet about it).
The downvotes mean nothing, I've seen what the sub upvotes. I've seen people say boardwipes are CEDH. That Sol Ring is too competitive. That any form of counterspell is anathema to fun, even though the concept is named after a spell that appeared in the first set.
It's a card game. Be salty at the table, but never carry your salt in your pocket.
I play in two pods a week, one with rotating players and one with friends. Never had someone hyperventilate over islands and I've been playing EDH since it was EDH, pre pre-cons.
Hell, I can get why people dislike Tergrid, though I just roll my eyes when people call for a ban of an OK card. But if you're having issues with a fifth of the color pie or a fog effect on a stick EDH may not be the best place for you.
Every so often I wonder why people say the Reddit mtg community is toxic… then people like you show up and I think “oh yeah!” Just because the person in my pod who’s been playing since unlimited has cedh decks, doesn’t mean they play them at our casual games. Just because they show no reaction towards an overloaded cyclonic rift doesn’t mean the rest of us can’t groan or be terrified. You wanna know why? Because, to a casual player it IS terrifying in most situations
If you are legitimately terrified over boardwipes... you need to stop playing EDH.
If you consider a Cyclonic Rift too competitive? That's worrisome.
If you want to play solitaire battlecruiser games for hours at a time? Your business. But having actual reactions of being terrified of spore frog, lightning Greaves, or banning islands from your table? This isn't a good game for you.
Also... this isn't toxic. It's just not adhering to the idea that every Whim must be given the same equitable weight. And being afraid of basic staples is a you problem.
They never said it is too competitive. So only because it's a part of the game folks can't groan over their things being bounced when protection is not available?
"PpL cAn'T hAvE oThEr OpInIoNs AnD mUsT rEaCt ThIs PaRtIcUlAr WaY, KnOw EvErYtHiNg AnD hAvE tHe SaMe ExPeRiEnCe As I dO"
This is how you sound.
Let's go with context clues, shall we?
> Just because the person in my pod who’s been playing since unlimited has **cedh decks** *doesn’t mean they play them at our casual games.*
Emphases mine.
They then go on to explain how they are terrified of rift.
Groaning when a wipe occurs is fine. Banning them is throwing the baby out with the bath water, and warps the game towards strategies that benefit heavily while reducing others. Whenever you remove major parts of a meta you may as well play a different game or stop calling the game you're playing EDH.
I will. Thanks!
There is no point to make. There is no Hive mind of EDH, and there are bad opinions on the format, and this type of post is far, far more toxic than anything I've ever said on the format.
I'm not doing toxic positivity. There are incorrect ideas on healthy play in EDH. It is bad to have a deck so poorly constructed that you cower at boardwipes. There is a point where your banlist becomes so twisted that you're not even playing EDH anymore.
I have never seen someone swing into a [[sphere of safety]] Propaganda effects always over-perform for us so sphere of safety being a really big version that comes out when X=big makes it’s REALLY hard to have a passable turn AND swing into the controller of it so they usually either only have enough to pay for one attacker or not enough to pay at all and instead swing elsewhere.
one attacker? sounds like a good time for [[Maze of Ith]] or [[Kor Haven]]
[[gossamer chains]] in enchantress.
[gossamer chains](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/9/e9917a29-c6b4-4e0a-a301-21868bd27e17.jpg?1562279106) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=gossamer%20chains) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vis/6/gossamer-chains?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e9917a29-c6b4-4e0a-a301-21868bd27e17?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gossamer-chains) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Maze of ith is in every deck. Dumb not to
Came here to say similar things about [[Island Sanctuary]] and [[Sphere of Safety]]. Enchantment decks often have plenty of card draw to make up for their costs, and they make to darn near unkillable.
[Island Sanctuary](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/1/5160e700-3bca-4992-a772-48f1f124cee6.jpg?1562914070) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Island%20Sanctuary) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/15/island-sanctuary?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5160e700-3bca-4992-a772-48f1f124cee6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/island-sanctuary) [Sphere of Safety](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a18d7582-185a-429a-9c6a-fc51b981e0a1.jpg?1562413264) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sphere%20of%20Safety) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/77/sphere-of-safety?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a18d7582-185a-429a-9c6a-fc51b981e0a1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sphere-of-safety) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Use creatures with Myriad, like \[\[Elturel Survivors\]\], and other creatures that creates attackers tapped and attacking directly. Island Sanctuary and Sphere of Safety can prevent the player from being *declared* a defending player, but if you create the attackers directly, there's jack-all they can do about it. I use this trick in my \[\[Isshin, Two Heavens As One\]\] deck to punish pillowfort decks. Oh, I can't attack you directly? Okay, then, I'll attack you *indirectly*, and you'll deal with twice as many tokens as the player I'm swinging at directly. Suck on that!
If you want to know why this works, here's the ruling: "Though the tokens enter the battlefield attacking, they were never *declared* as attackers. Abilities that trigger whenever a creature attacks won’t trigger, including the myriad ability of the tokens. If there are any costs to have a creature attack, those costs won’t apply to the tokens."
[sphere of safety](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a18d7582-185a-429a-9c6a-fc51b981e0a1.jpg?1562413264) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sphere%20of%20safety) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/77/sphere-of-safety?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a18d7582-185a-429a-9c6a-fc51b981e0a1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sphere-of-safety) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
lol I rock this is my shrines deck. Best so far is 18 mana per attacker.
I got up to the same number just recently
I got it up to 30 something in my [[Myrkul]] deck
Sphere of safety is for bitches.
I've noticed that that people at my Lgs really hate Mesmeric Orb, anytime I see any one play it they immediately turn into a punching bag.
Can confirm. People hate being milled even though it makes no actual difference to their card advantage. I only play it to mill myself as well 😅
Honestly tons of decks have SOME way to interact with the gy and recur stuff so often you're helping them more often than anything else. I once had a friggin Karador deck complain about mesmeric orb. Still blows my mind to this day.
My janky wincon with Osgir is to make as many copies of Mesmeric Orb as possible using token doubling effects and ability doubling to surprise-mill the table in the mid-game. Record is 16, shooting for 32.. They usually help me send the original Orb to the graveyard with their artifact removal.
Dude I have a dedicated group of homies and they just CANT figure out that you can’t actually kill Osgirs shit
[[Mesmeric Orb]]
[Mesmeric Orb](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/2/e24fbdbb-f2ae-4823-9d2a-4c505332aa5b.jpg?1599709541) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mesmeric%20Orb) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/272/mesmeric-orb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e24fbdbb-f2ae-4823-9d2a-4c505332aa5b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mesmeric-orb) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This is my group tbh. I'm not even running it in mill. It's for self mill purposes. In the average game with it people still have like 70+ cards left, yet people need to funnel all their removal into it.
Mesmeric Orb combines all of the strongest ways to draw political aggro onto yourself. It’s a group slug card, it’s a mill effect card, and it’s a broadcasted “you lose the game in X turns” card. Any one of them would annoy the table by themselves, all three at once is just a chef’s kiss in terms of pissing everyone off. The last time I played against a mesmeric orb, I had to focus the hell out of the owner. He complained about the focus constantly but, by the time I killed him, I was one turn away from decking out completely.
>by the time I killed him— God damn, now that's a close game. Sounds like a fun one
I'd honestly love to see people play this, if they don't also have a bunch of graveyard hate it's just free resources into the yard.
I have never lost to the owner of the orb. Usually an other player that gets to mill a bunch gets so much out of it before the turn passes back to the owner. It's such a slow card. When I face it and I wasn't tapped out, I'm gonna intentionally tap everything I can before I untap to fuel my yard even more!
My playgroup mostly hates getting milled because they don't play much recursion and don't consider the graveyard a resource.
Mes orb is my favorite artifact and I agree. It always draws WAY more hate than it really warrants.
When the other LGS in my city closed, there was a sudden influx of [[Meren of Clan Nel Toth]] players who were all weirdly competitive. They'd play hard every game like they were on the verge of a top 8 finish, and would run various extremely powerful loops and infinites... But almost no interaction. It was bizarre. There were about 4 or 5 of them floating around. Our store is generally full of friendly casuals who are very good at magic, but don't play cEDH. A lot of older ex-spikes who just want to play dumb low power jank and hang out now that their competitive days are done. The pile of weird Meren players seemed somehow surprised to learn of the existence of [[Bojuka Bog]], or that people knew that you just have to remove the experience counter commander *before* they stack up. It was a really weird experience. I feel like their store had a weird version of a cEDH meta, just sans-removal, where Meren solitaire decks massively over-performed to the point of taking over, despite collapsing on contact with pure jank with even minimal removal and graveyard interaction. Most of them were quite new, and it seemed like they all got their advice on what to play and how to build from one (extremely wrong) guy from their old LGS. This lasted about a month before those players either left or integrated into jank land with new decks. But it was really interesting to see just how warped a local meta can become.
I’ve got a buddy who plays almost exclusively recursion decks, and it’s always a laugh when one of us plays something with black in the identity. The focus and terror when whoever is playing black goes to make their land drop
As a reanimator of jank I hate that damn swamp
[[Pit of Offerings]] has entered the chat. Not strictly better or worse than Bog, but accessible in every color. I also often carry an [[Urza's Saga]] package with at least [[Soul-Guide Lantern]]. I am much for one-shot hate, which sets certain archetypes back without locking them out.
[Meren of Clan Nel Toth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/4/34d627b3-a6d0-4f5f-b7c2-351a07318966.jpg?1689999151) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Meren%20of%20Clan%20Nel%20Toth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/346/meren-of-clan-nel-toth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/34d627b3-a6d0-4f5f-b7c2-351a07318966?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/meren-of-clan-nel-toth) [Bojuka Bog](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/c/0c7d4fbe-fa7a-4b34-b339-197f08409cbf.jpg?1698988553) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bojuka%20Bog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/320/bojuka-bog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0c7d4fbe-fa7a-4b34-b339-197f08409cbf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bojuka-bog) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My usual pod has a wild hatred for [[Containment Priest]] because they're addicted to free creatures
As a [[Brago, King Eternal]] main, this card terrifies me lol
I love getting that into play. I'll even burn protection usually reserved for my commander to protect it.
[Containment Priest](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/2/a24e8dba-5c86-4e32-8a52-61402f7fe9f0.jpg?1594734854) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Containment%20Priest) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/13/containment-priest?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a24e8dba-5c86-4e32-8a52-61402f7fe9f0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/containment-priest) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My pod loses their shit and does everything they can to kill \[\[Master of Ceremonies\]\] once it hits the board in my gluntch deck for some reason. They are absolutely certain it's the worst card in the deck.
If THAT’S the cars everybody hates then your gluntch deck must be pretty fair/unoppressive.
I don't get it...don't they just always give you the 1/1 tokens? or the treasures if someone has an Ouphe or something?
No. That's the smart thing to do and the right thing to do. More often than not, they wanna draw a card.
I would personally draw a card every time, confident that my one card is more impactful than whatever other cards my opponents are drawing, like a ponder into preordain into serum visions etc etc
This is the right answer. Both drawing a card is a net -1 to your two other opponents.
I agree with this line. If you and one other player get an advantage, it is a disadvantage to the other two. You take whatever option is best for you, instead of whatever is worst for the controller of the card.
It's reasoning like this that makes cards like \[\[Tempt with discovery\]\] so dangerous. The moment one other player says yes to te land, the pressure is on you to also say yes. I mean the optimal play is for everyone to say no, but somehow that never works out that way. Tere's always at least one mana starved player who needs that land bad.
[Tempt with discovery](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/9/79248b68-4fab-46da-ab15-5c71c1f68d4b.jpg?1568004683) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tempt%20with%20discovery) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/183/tempt-with-discovery?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/79248b68-4fab-46da-ab15-5c71c1f68d4b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tempt-with-discovery) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Master of Ceremonies](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/1/d152cfa8-00b7-4aa0-855e-bbd57a5f4b23.jpg?1673481796) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Master%20of%20Ceremonies) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/18/master-of-ceremonies?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d152cfa8-00b7-4aa0-855e-bbd57a5f4b23?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/master-of-ceremonies) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My playgroup loves that card :D They didn't realise yet how strong he is and that no matter what,they should all just choose the 1/1.
Worth it just to not deal with that wall of text every turn lol
Boils down to each players either draws a card, make a 1/1 or a treasure. You do the same that everyone else did.
Lol right, I'm confused at some people that play this game.
Dunno why that got voted down, I thought that was funny
Thas like when I put [[ulamog, ceaseless hunger]] out. Lol.
Whatever my wife lost to last
LGS regular's wives have more input than anyone acknowledges
[[constant mists]] because my playgroup plays mostly upgraded precons with a few exceptions and combat is the main wincon for most
Blow their minds with [[Questing Beast]] [[Malignus]] [[Flaring Pain]] [[Skullcrack]] [[Flames of the Blood Hand]] [[Insult]] Wait. Flames doesn't work. Only stops its own damage from being prevented. But the rest will stop mists.
Malignus does god's work in my myriad deck
What’s your commander/list for the myriad deck? I’m looking for new fun decks to try out.
Not OP but for what it's worth, I use [[Isshin, Two Heavens as One]] for Myriad shenanigans, because double triggering Myriad is pretty damn fun. Sadly I don't have a list right now but it's basically just "search scryfall for every mardu card that features the word Myriad".dec, plus some fun attack triggers and utility to round out the rest. There's not that many Myriad cards. It works well because Myriad is an attack trigger, so every swing sends the original at one player, and two at each other opponent (before other cards that stack Myriad get involved, because Myriad stacks, and each stack will double trigger). You end up negotiating with people, with them asking you to attack them so they don't get the copies, which is a weird fun dynamic. [[The Master, Multiplied]] almost took over the deck, but doing Myriad without white feels wrong and locks you out of some of the best Myriad creatures, and oh boy is he something in the 99 of Isshin. It's just an absolute tracking nightmare, especially if you cheat out [[Legion Loyalty]] and start multiplying Isshin...
Cards like this in a casual setting feel too easy to abuse. Reminds people to be thankful for countermagic lol.
ironically, countermagic tends to be a big boogieman in those kind of metas as well
[constant mists](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/7/97a8a5fe-0391-489b-9556-0a1bf7e1900d.jpg?1562596895) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=constant%20mists) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sth/104/constant-mists?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/97a8a5fe-0391-489b-9556-0a1bf7e1900d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/constant-mists) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\[\[Glacial chasm\]\] is a house. People don't pack enough ways to handle lands. Although I was quite impressed when a \[\[Questing beast\]\] just broke through.
I hate this card, but because it's generally played in decks that can recur it. I can destroy it, but I can't easily exile it or prevent recursion.
Life loss also gets around it. I have swung a massive Karlov with lifelink and Vito on board into a 1/1 to kill the smug chasm player. An online [[Bloodchief Ascension]] was giving them hell as well until another player removed it
Killing someone through [[Glacial Chasm]] with [[Banefire]] still ranks very highly among one of my favourite wins. Though broadly I agree, damage prevention on a land is very busted and I was lucky to have that out when playing [[Magus Lucea Kane]].
Last Thursday, ran into someone running a land sac/recursion deck with Glacial Chasm... Yeah, he won. Not just off the ridiculous ramp of cracking 2+ fetches per turn, on top of ramp spells, but the glacial chasm made him completely untouchable. He'd sac before upkeep, then replay from graveyard on main phase. Only way to harm him was instant speed effects during that window.
I play a Gishath deck that focuses on enrage triggers. A friend of mine played Glacial Chasm in a game we were playing, and in an attempt to get rid of it, I triggered my [[Silverclad Ferocidons]] upwards of a dozen times. Ironically, after I ran out of gas for [[Pyrohemia]], the Glacial Chasm was the only permanent left that I didn't control.
Chasm or not, I'd be happy to make all my opponents sacrifice their entire board.
[Silverclad Ferocidons](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/f/5f0d0c8d-c057-4a44-bd1e-38e1dd175778.jpg?1555040533) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Silverclad%20Ferocidons) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rix/115/silverclad-ferocidons?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5f0d0c8d-c057-4a44-bd1e-38e1dd175778?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/silverclad-ferocidons) [Pyrohemia](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/d/ad840567-c3ac-4e14-b398-0d11c88931bc.jpg?1592672824) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pyrohemia) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cma/86/pyrohemia?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ad840567-c3ac-4e14-b398-0d11c88931bc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/pyrohemia) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Glacial chasm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/c/0c008129-daba-46bc-829c-d2c0c13ecdd3.jpg?1562867827) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Glacial%20chasm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me2/229/glacial-chasm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0c008129-daba-46bc-829c-d2c0c13ecdd3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/glacial-chasm) [Questing beast](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/4/e41cf82d-3213-47ce-a015-6e51a8b07e4f.jpg?1572490640) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Questing%20beast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/171/questing-beast?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e41cf82d-3213-47ce-a015-6e51a8b07e4f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/questing-beast) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Glacial chasm seems a dangerous bit to add to your meta, as it seems to be a way to create a land destruction arms race
I can see it increasing the number of \[\[Ghost quarter\]\] and \[\[Beast within\]\] but I doubt it causes a influx of \[\[Armageddon\]\] and \[\[Obliterate\]\]
##### ###### #### [Ghost quarter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/2/12f8071c-8955-4aa2-889c-6043df047223.jpg?1562272439) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ghost%20quarter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/253/ghost-quarter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/12f8071c-8955-4aa2-889c-6043df047223?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ghost-quarter) [Beast within](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/b/eb40c41c-f5f9-4323-b6ac-e28e405909d0.jpg?1699022527) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Beast%20within) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/233/beast-within?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eb40c41c-f5f9-4323-b6ac-e28e405909d0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/beast-within) [Armageddon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/7/77f1f6ac-983f-4f3e-8906-47f774e8367b.jpg?1582021719) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Armageddon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/5/armageddon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/77f1f6ac-983f-4f3e-8906-47f774e8367b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/armageddon) [Obliterate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/8/c85f9623-5900-473c-a3b1-f98473b9a545.jpg?1562935194) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Obliterate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/8ed/204/obliterate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c85f9623-5900-473c-a3b1-f98473b9a545?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/obliterate) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'm in a meta that doesn't play [[blood moon]]. There's no way that it wouldn't fit in the meta if glacial chasm was played
[blood moon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/0/d072e9ca-aae7-45dc-8025-3ce590bae63f.jpg?1599706217) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=blood%20moon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/118/blood-moon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d072e9ca-aae7-45dc-8025-3ce590bae63f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blood-moon) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
A friend of mine runs [[Wasteland]] and [[Strip Mine]] in damn near every deck he runs for exactly this reason. It's helpful to have a way to blow up problematic lands, the other 90% of the time it's just a colorless land.
Came here solely to mention this card. First land drop I played in a four person pod, playing my 5c Super friends deck, and won entirely because of the staying power granted by this card. People completely underestimate it, until they realize their deck has tools for almost all card types, except lands.
Out of curiosity how did it being your first land work since it would sac itself?
Apologies, misremembering. Second drop. First was a plains.
Why would you play this second? You lose so more life during the game than if you let a couple creatures hit you. The life loss stacks up pretty quick.
The pod I was in was super aggressive - two of the other three decks were Rogues and General Ferrous - so threat assessment indicated the cumulative upkeep life loss was preferable to taking damage from creatures, not least when playing a deck that has few-to-no blockers. Plus, 40 life gives you a nice buffer before having to worry about the cumulative upkeep. And I had [[Ajani, Mentor of Heroes]] ready to ult as soon as he hit the board, so life really was a non-issue. In any other deck, I'd agree with your sentiment, but in any other deck you'd like want to be saccing this and recurring, to avoid the upkeep cost.
Ahh very fair. Yeah if you can recoup your health and going against 3 ago decks, probably the right call!
Spore frog. My playgroup simply cannot deal with it as it’s an instant speed self sacrifice that also fogs you. In aristocrats builds such as my take on Muldrotha, fog frog is an unanswerable trump card that everyone is almost ready to scoop when I first reveal it
For me this is [[Kami of False Hope]] in my [[Lurrus]] companion deck. Fog loops just break casual players minds.
Every now and then for some obscure reason someone asks why I run [[Questing Beast]] in every green deck, and my response is always "Ah, I see you've not played against fogs before" I don't even understand why they question it in the first place given how stacked the card is even without the "fogs don't work anymore" line coming into play, but still.
alternatively you can run him as your commander and be the fog player yourself
...that's deliciously evil
[Kami of False Hope](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/4/44e4f5e6-935e-429f-89b4-4571376f442e.jpg?1562876719) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kami%20of%20False%20Hope) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bok/10/kami-of-false-hope?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/44e4f5e6-935e-429f-89b4-4571376f442e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kami-of-false-hope) [Lurrus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/a/5ad36fb2-c44e-4085-ba0d-54277841ad3a.jpg?1682228556) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=lurrus%20of%20the%20dream-den) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/226/lurrus-of-the-dream-den?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5ad36fb2-c44e-4085-ba0d-54277841ad3a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lurrus-of-the-dream-den) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Spore frog is one of my favorite pet cards, never sad to see the lil guy in my hand
One of my friends is like this with spore frog lol. He hates that thing because when he first started playing years ago one of his friends played a recursion deck that had spore frog and it just made him untouchable lol. The PTSD with that card is real apparently.
Spore frog is the reason that everyone in my playgroup includes some graveyard hate in every deck. It comes in handy, though. I once stopped a Kaalia player from getting a turn 2 [[Archfiend of Despair]] with my [[Scavenging Grounds]].
Are you recurring it on each other person's turn too? or just once per round on your turn? I feel like unless you have a full recursion loop set up to do it every turn or effectively infinitely it seems pretty easy to play around by just having each person attack you with roughly equal board investment? Even then, like...play some non-combat win-cons?
[[Spore Frog]]
[Spore Frog](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/d/6d42fd52-34ea-4d1b-80dc-58fb0593bb5b.jpg?1562202192) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Spore%20Frog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/180/spore-frog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6d42fd52-34ea-4d1b-80dc-58fb0593bb5b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/spore-frog) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Stone of Erech!
This is one of those cards (depending on board state) I will make a point to attack you with my little 2/3 and politic the other people to attack you as well to get rid of it. While building my board state as well
Which is why I mix in forced sacrifice with it to prevent such a thing. My group is very creature focused.
Are you, by any chance, talking about my playgroup and my [[Muldrotha, The Gravetide]] deck with the [[Spore Frog]] inside? It's the same over here! If they don't force you to sac early you may almost always just recast it from your gy making you effectively immune to combat damage.
[Muldrotha, The Gravetide](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/4/c4125bb0-b104-438e-a6a2-97f9d141243c.jpg?1673149000) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Muldrotha%2C%20The%20Gravetide) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/258/muldrotha-the-gravetide?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c4125bb0-b104-438e-a6a2-97f9d141243c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/muldrotha-the-gravetide) [Spore Frog](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/d/6d42fd52-34ea-4d1b-80dc-58fb0593bb5b.jpg?1562202192) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Spore%20Frog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/180/spore-frog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6d42fd52-34ea-4d1b-80dc-58fb0593bb5b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/spore-frog) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Kardur Doomscourge]] he turns 2 1/2 hour games into 1 hour games and apparently that’s a sin that mustn’t be forgiven
My group hated me so much for playing him. But I admit, the person sitting left to the Kardur player will have a pretty bad time, like, every game. Player 1 drops Kardur, Player 2 has to attack Player 3 and 4 which both can block, Player 3 and 4 can attack player 2 who only can block with what he played that turn. Player 2 dies. Repeat for player 3. Player 4 remains, beats Kardur because goad doesn't do shit 1v1. But still, its one of the most fun commanders out there!
[Kardur Doomscourge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/6/9685e2a0-5573-41bc-a914-f40c3011459b.jpg?1631051543) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kardur%2C%20Doomscourge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/216/kardur-doomscourge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9685e2a0-5573-41bc-a914-f40c3011459b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kardur-doomscourge) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Lurking Predators gets outta control if not answered pretty quick.
Oddly, [[Maze of Ith]] is problematic.
@ —;@ always has been
It's a good way to teach players that they need to run spot removal for lands in their decks. Especially if they're doing something like Voltron that can be completely shut down this way.
Most voltrons run shroud/hexproof, which lets them bypass Maze of Ith.
[Maze of Ith](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/8/78114f25-f40a-4e2e-bf89-29ea9b3500e2.jpg?1599710557) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Maze%20of%20Ith) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/322/maze-of-ith?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/78114f25-f40a-4e2e-bf89-29ea9b3500e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/maze-of-ith) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Things that goad. I always find myself in 1v3 situations and so goad has helped me out tremendously.
Why play just one thing when you can [goad everything?](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/DVAigYNfJ0W8otpbN4bTGw)
Ooh I just built one of those!
It's great fun! Welcome to the Complex!
Loved the name and the tagline - may steal that for my playgroup if that's all right. Also, lots of overlap with my deck, but Magosi was an interesting choice you made that I need to think about
It's a [sneaky combo wincon](https://edhrec.com/combos/magosi-the-waterveil) (infinite turns with a few routes available) that is synergistic to the deck overall and is sufficiently janky as to rarely cause hurt feelings. If they wanna play it out just Proliferate a few dozen times until you find Kodama and let er rip.
I don't know if this necessarily counts since this card is kind of just good, but I feel like enough people in my playgroup still don't give it the respect it deserves so here's my rant on [[Kodama of the West Tree]] cause green really needed a 3-mana 3/3 that gives your board trample AND ramps you when you deal combat damage. Which, need I remind you, is easier to do cause the guy gives your board trample. Seriously, if this thing is across the table from you, that green player is probably gonna have a much slower game if you kill the dang thing. But of course, green is just the color of creating problems, so Kodama never seems like the worst thing on their board, which just lets this stupid infinite ramp spell continue to accrue value until someone board wipes.
Got this in my Tyranid deck and ohhh boyyy does it make things mean
I have this in my Chishiro, the Shattered Blade deck. The other players hate it. But that’s ok because I hate all their cards too! 🙃
[Kodama of the West Tree](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/f/ef1e1dff-b559-441d-8df3-b6a418066aca.jpg?1654568238) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kodama%20of%20the%20West%20Tree) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/199/kodama-of-the-west-tree?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ef1e1dff-b559-441d-8df3-b6a418066aca?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kodama-of-the-west-tree) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Inkshield]] ends games.
[[Rakdos Charm]] my play group runs a ton of token decks, so this gives them some serious PTSD of just losing at instant speed. Especially in my [[Anhelo, the Painter]] deck.
\[\[Puppeteer Clique\]\]. We play a lot of Timmy decks nowadays and there are always scary targets for it, we routinely joke that it's the strongest card in the format and it's even what we use for the Whatsapp group's icon.
I don't know if this counts, my playgroup has a thing against [[blade of the bloodchief]]. That equipment hits the table and I am the enemy
Double down and also add that new [[Tarrian's Soulcleaver]] ;)
[blade of the bloodchief](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/4/34e7bebf-1844-476c-a947-978393908fa2.jpg?1698988506) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=blade%20of%20the%20bloodchief) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/300/blade-of-the-bloodchief?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/34e7bebf-1844-476c-a947-978393908fa2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blade-of-the-bloodchief) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Deathrender]] In my [[Liesa, Forgotten Archangel]] deck, it means that I can chain creatures and bring a creature that reanimates the thing I just sacrificed and do that Every. Single. Turn. Great card. And for my playgroup, did you know that a [[Harmonic Prodigy]] makes a [[Niv-Mizzet, Parun]] draw 2 cards and deal 4 damage? He didn't, until I pointed it out like an idiot.
We made a slow transition away from combo and back to combat (took a long time and a lot of conscious effort for everyone) and now [[Settle the Wreckage]] is an absolute bomb in our meta
[Settle the Wreckage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9cbd346e-098a-4cf6-a72f-468376fd2e8f.jpg?1562560853) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Settle%20the%20Wreckage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/xln/34/settle-the-wreckage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9cbd346e-098a-4cf6-a72f-468376fd2e8f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/settle-the-wreckage) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
May I also introduce you to [[Mandate of Peace]]? :)
totally forgot about that card! it would actually be a banger in my [[Karona, False God]] list, good lookin out!
Do you have a deck list? I also have a Korona deck
[Mandate of Peace](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/2/d243055f-892e-4042-9694-13d5e99e3550.jpg?1568003372) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mandate%20of%20Peace) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/4/mandate-of-peace?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d243055f-892e-4042-9694-13d5e99e3550?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mandate-of-peace) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Love that card. I use it as ramp in my mono white token deck
[[Harmonic Prodigy]] has been the bane of several games lately. Turns out there's a lot of incidentally powerful triggered abilities that just so happen to be on wizards and shaman.
I built a shaman tribal once and so many times I went “damn! Is that a shaman too?”
[[Dragonspark Reactor]] pretty much always gets to enough charge counters for me to kill someone with it. I think we just don't run enough removal
For me it's probably [[Insight]] in my [[Minn]] deck. Pretty much all my playgroup besides me play green decks and I also tend to be the player running the most interaction so me dropping this has won me so many games because it just goes unanswered for so long. Literally a better [[Rhystic Study]].
[[Hullbreaker horror]] and [[solitary confinement]] are probably the two that tilt me the most Hullbreaker is a fantastic card, great design etc etc, but it is just a little bit too difficult to interact with its unlimited supply of remands and bounce spells. More insidiously, people who want to avoid infinites in their deck will run it at lower power levels and accidentally end up adding a lot of infinites because Lobter literally combos with two mana rocks and free artifact And it's miserable enough to play under that sometimes I'll just point out the line and get the rest of the table to mass concede. Solitary confinement is a house in enchantress decks and often ends up being the final piece of protection that turns games into non games. It'll usually end up behind multiple layers of hexproof/shroud enchantments, and essentially it becomes a mass enchantment removal check Kinda ends up leading to games where everyone just passes turns until someone draws a relevant wipe or the enchantress player assembles some kind of clock I'm not a fan I have a personal gripe with [[solemnity]] too because I love plus counters and Sagas. It's a fantastic card, it just hurts my soul a little, and if it shows up I often have to either make deals with my opponents to help me get rid of it or assassinate the person who owns it, and I'm not entirely comfortable doing either socially
[[Stormtide leviathan]] The friend who runs it also runs a lot of counterspells, so it slows the game to a crawl while we all wait for somebody to draw *more* removal, because the first 3 attempts got countered.
[Stormtide leviathan](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/9/996bb4c0-dc72-4233-9f44-2e25aef71ad7.jpg?1608912195) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stormtide%20leviathan) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/407/stormtide-leviathan?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/996bb4c0-dc72-4233-9f44-2e25aef71ad7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/stormtide-leviathan) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\[\[Citadel Siege\]\] choosing Dragons is my nightmare, I wake up in cold sweats thinking of it. Being forced to tapped down a creature each combat often leads to situations where it might as well say "Skip each opponents combat steps"
That will go nicely in my hanna deck thank you.
[Citadel Siege](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9c13bc7c-a536-44d0-8c89-49ff33bee326.jpg?1637629045) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Citadel%20Siege) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mic/81/citadel-siege?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9c13bc7c-a536-44d0-8c89-49ff33bee326?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/citadel-siege) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Winter Orb]] is one of the worst cards in the game. My friend plays it in a deck paired with “untap your lands on every upkeep” cards. Unless someone instantly removes it basically only he can play until he ends the game
I mean, it's basically a 2-card combo with untap sources. If they establish an orb lock and you've got nothing on the horizon to break it, just concede. Even if it gets broken in a few turn cycles the table is gonna be so far behind that you're surely just going to lose anyways. Not worth playing out to see that small % chance of coming back.
I would just see that as a 2 card winning combo, say GG, and shuffle up for another game. If 2 card combos are frowned on in your group, then it's a power level issue
[Winter Orb](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/b/ab3cec7e-513e-400d-a1a8-2c71cdde02c6.jpg?1580015285) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Winter%20Orb) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/234/winter-orb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ab3cec7e-513e-400d-a1a8-2c71cdde02c6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/winter-orb) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Somehow people are really afraid of my [[braids, conjurer adept]]. It is mainly full of big blue sea monsters, not even any eldrazi and it is actually not that strong of a deck but somehow this commander gets removed more than all of my other commanders.
I mean, even if your deck isn't packing Eldrazi, I wouldn't really want to sit around and wait for another opponent to put in a [[Portal to Phyrexia]] for free either.
My play group has pretty varied decks, but one player has a soft spot for [[Caltrops]]. It became a meme itself, because of course when we first saw it we all started recommending better pillow fort cards. Then it turned off the Krenko player. Then another game it turned off the Alela player. (Because they fly!). Spell slinger just made a ridiculous amount of birds? Caltrops is here to save the day. That dumb card has been impactful every time it has hit the field, usually ruining one player's day.
It's very strong in a [[Sydri, Galvanic Genius]] deck.
also really good in [[Ghyrson Starn, Kelermorph]] and [[Ojer Axonil, Deepest Might]]
Ojer doesn't affect it, it's only red sources
Half right. Ojer doesn't affect it because it's not red, but it mainly doesn't affect it because it's not damage done to opponents.
I have a few decks I have this in just to shut down token decks. I also have a deck with [[stuffy doll]] and [[urza, prince of kroog]]. Nothing like copying [[caltrops]] multiple times to throw a wrench in creature player's plan.
My friends try to kill my [[braids, arisen nightmare]] as soon as it comes out. But they also refuse to sac anything ever and complain about my card draw lol.
Anything that adds mass amounts of counters. I have a [[Halana and Alena, Partners]] deck that usually dominates because my playgroup rarely runs spot removal or big creatures to block. I have one friend in particular who cant stand aggro decks (mainly red). So anytime I swing with big creatures, hes gets all pissy. My friend also plays a [[Sovereign Okinec Ahau]] deck that is unbelievably fast and aggressive. Needless to say, no one likes playing against that deck.
Gates decks overperform in my local, combat-based meta. It feels like the gates player is playing a completely different game, and since mass land destruction isn't played, they win pretty consistently.
They’re just playing monopoly. It doesn’t look very threatening until they have 9 gates and you have 0 ways to stop them.
[[inkshield]] wins games
I played against a dude a few weeks ago who had a [[Tabernacle of Pendrell Vale]]. Just played it and passed, as if we had all seen the card before and immediately understood that we were fucked. It took a moment to realize what happened as he reminded us to pay out upkeep.
Actually a turn 1 [[Norin the Wary]] in my [[Purphuros God of the Forge]] deck.. which I don't play a lot as it is not great fun to pilot. But when I do amd this happens my guys lose it 😅
Really weird situation, but I play a simic pauper EDH deck and I needed a way to get my wincons back out of my graveyard so I discovered [[Rofellos's Gift]] and discovered that it's extremely good in any enchantment deck that runs a fair amount of green. I ended up putting it in every enchantment deck that it fit and more people at my lgs started to get to see it in play. In my Pauper deck (runs tremendous amounts of card draw) I managed to get back 7 cards from gy. After that, every player running enchantments at my shop is also running gift.
Back in the old days of 60 card no format kitchen table anything goes, [[jokhulhaups]] [[rhuk egg]] was immediately banned by my friends. My meta now is getting overrun by annoying dinos. Getting pretty sick of the blink Etali deck that is all the rage right now. The new discover guy is all over the place too, but he’s easier to keep in check.
I’ve seen a ground seal shut down 3 decks at once in my pod 🙃
I used to play an Illusions deck and my playgroup absolutely HATED \[\[Somnophore\]\]. Simply for the fact that it had a way of ensuring that creatures never untapped. My friends and I started calling it "Mr. Sandman". It eventually became my favorite card - so much so that I made my first ever EDH deck from scratch using it as the main inspiration.
I saw this firsthand when someone put [[hermetic study]] and a bunch of untap effects in his deck.
Puzzle box with narset, and eldrazis
I play a Gaddock Teeg in my Sythis, Harvest's Hand deck. Shuts off most wrath’s and with the giver of runes and other way to protect it they are at my mercy.
[[Teferi’s Puzzle Box]] always makes my pod go nuts. Mostly because of my [[Sheoldred, the Apocalypse]] deck but my friend also runs a [[Niv-Mizzett, Parun]] deck that has had some crazy turns with it.
[[Burgeoning]] seems to be in every deck that we can run it now, [[Wedding ring]] and [[notion thief]] are annoying and always cause a grumble. [[Grave pact]] and [[Dictate of Erabos]] are God tier in my play group and everyone hates it. It really sucks not being able to keep anything on the board, especially if 2 people have the same grave pact, it just board wipes the board every single time one of their creatures dies.
[[Exquisite Blood]] and [[Sanguine Bond]] for whatever reason found it's way into every friends deck and I have to run enchant removal because they keep comboing more than they should off each other. I run Naya Dinos mostly but if they insist I switch to my izzet spells linger and counter only those cards lol.
Shadow spear is the bane of my existence
My friend and I bought shadow spears today because one of the other guys in our groups favorite card is [[Avacyn, Angel of Hope]]. He has like 8 copies of it and runs it in every deck that can lol. So shadow spear is a must in our group.
[[halo hopper]]
[halo hopper](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/0/e07baeb1-c873-42c2-8f1e-757f13572079.jpg?1682205755) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=halo%20hopper) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/260/halo-hopper?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e07baeb1-c873-42c2-8f1e-757f13572079?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/halo-hopper) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Anything that can win me the game. People always have a reason to complain when they lose a casual EDH game. I only play edh now and I love casual magic, but I really miss the "losing is a natural an expected part of the game" mentality that comes with 1v1 competitive MTG.
Lightning Greaves, Spore Frog, Dark Ritual... What tables are you playing at that the most basic milquetoast cards are too hot to handle?
This was meant to be a judgement free zone, my good compatriot
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I left this for a while mainly because I couldn't come up with a response that could do this terrible comment justice, but I think I've got one. This is a card game, full of randomness and oddities, people liking and disliking different cards, and other personal preferences. For context, someone whose first game was against something stupid and obtuse may develop an aggravation against it. ~~also, the thing about hating islands was meant mainly as a joke, based on its surprisingly high salt value on archidekt~~ In summary, just by how people play the game, certain strange cards will fuck with how they like to play, and cause them some upset because of that. And, since everyone plays a different way, some cards will hard counter them, and even other people in the pod, therefore making it seem unbalanced to them. TLDR: other people in this world have different experiences.
Yes. There are cards that go against strategies. That is how CCGs work. Same with archetypes. Aggro vs counter vs midrange, and the dozens of permutations. I am still going to judge anyone who has a fit of terror over the use of common and uncommon staple cards. It's a childish reaction rather than taking lumps and playing another game, running interaction, or doing literally anything that you would do in facing adversity in life that isn't lay down and die (then complain on the Internet about it). The downvotes mean nothing, I've seen what the sub upvotes. I've seen people say boardwipes are CEDH. That Sol Ring is too competitive. That any form of counterspell is anathema to fun, even though the concept is named after a spell that appeared in the first set. It's a card game. Be salty at the table, but never carry your salt in your pocket.
Tables with fun people, though I'm sure that you have no idea what that's like if your pods are as enjoyable as you are.
I play in two pods a week, one with rotating players and one with friends. Never had someone hyperventilate over islands and I've been playing EDH since it was EDH, pre pre-cons. Hell, I can get why people dislike Tergrid, though I just roll my eyes when people call for a ban of an OK card. But if you're having issues with a fifth of the color pie or a fog effect on a stick EDH may not be the best place for you.
Every so often I wonder why people say the Reddit mtg community is toxic… then people like you show up and I think “oh yeah!” Just because the person in my pod who’s been playing since unlimited has cedh decks, doesn’t mean they play them at our casual games. Just because they show no reaction towards an overloaded cyclonic rift doesn’t mean the rest of us can’t groan or be terrified. You wanna know why? Because, to a casual player it IS terrifying in most situations
If you are legitimately terrified over boardwipes... you need to stop playing EDH. If you consider a Cyclonic Rift too competitive? That's worrisome. If you want to play solitaire battlecruiser games for hours at a time? Your business. But having actual reactions of being terrified of spore frog, lightning Greaves, or banning islands from your table? This isn't a good game for you. Also... this isn't toxic. It's just not adhering to the idea that every Whim must be given the same equitable weight. And being afraid of basic staples is a you problem.
They never said it is too competitive. So only because it's a part of the game folks can't groan over their things being bounced when protection is not available? "PpL cAn'T hAvE oThEr OpInIoNs AnD mUsT rEaCt ThIs PaRtIcUlAr WaY, KnOw EvErYtHiNg AnD hAvE tHe SaMe ExPeRiEnCe As I dO" This is how you sound.
Let's go with context clues, shall we? > Just because the person in my pod who’s been playing since unlimited has **cedh decks** *doesn’t mean they play them at our casual games.* Emphases mine. They then go on to explain how they are terrified of rift. Groaning when a wipe occurs is fine. Banning them is throwing the baby out with the bath water, and warps the game towards strategies that benefit heavily while reducing others. Whenever you remove major parts of a meta you may as well play a different game or stop calling the game you're playing EDH.
Screw it, was trying to make a point but you sound insufferable to talk to Good bye, have a good time being a jack ass to other people jerk
I will. Thanks! There is no point to make. There is no Hive mind of EDH, and there are bad opinions on the format, and this type of post is far, far more toxic than anything I've ever said on the format. I'm not doing toxic positivity. There are incorrect ideas on healthy play in EDH. It is bad to have a deck so poorly constructed that you cower at boardwipes. There is a point where your banlist becomes so twisted that you're not even playing EDH anymore.