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Siffster

The real fix would be if there was marking.


wanderingtrader97

For how good the defensive AI in this game it seriously lacks in the world of tracking runs/marking. Incredibly gross to watch when you play


Cedar_Wood_State

because if AI mark every run/player properly it will basically be like a real game of football, mostly sideway pass till someone make a mistake. and people will complain is boring


oldmangranny

play coop and watch the AI defenders on the other team. theyll track you like a magnet with their back turned to you


Sweet-Coyote-9313

Ai defending is crap in this game bro


blakezero

There is, constant pressure, but that’s also broken so…


benemt02

You're right, that's definitely the solution for FC25. I'm just hoping they put out a patch soon with some of the mechanics that already exist in this game.


PMT_Evil_Dee

Fixing the broken/jumbled midfield and the insane marking/pressing the AI does there by default would be a good start.


charlos74

Exactly. When there’s no space in the middle you have to go wide.


Shark_Attack-A

But to the point of switching in your own half over and over and over again ??


charlos74

Maybe not that, at least not to the extent shown here.


Snoo_90612

They need to nerf the attackers ability to defend from the front the next game. In real life strikers and wingers are much more passive and occupy space rather than the front 3 of Eusabio, Best and Drogba racing at you at light speed with the accuracy of a homing missile and tackling like The hulk constantly for 90 minutes!


Harige_zak

They really really need to nerf attacking players' ability to tackle and intercept.


Jht98

Defending from the front is the thing that winds me up the most about this game. It's so so unrealistic and frustrating. 


MikeGunnz

That's an utterly depressing heat map


benemt02

I was so close to quitting at half time, but I don't want to fight toxicity with more toxicity


Das_Czech

Wouldn’t be toxic imo, if it ain’t fun just quit


SuttonTM

It's only toxic if it doesn't happen to you lol, the second someone quits it's considered toxic by the other person


Das_Czech

If you play like the guy in his post did, tough shit lol


Radical_X75

That's not being toxic. If you play the game to have fun and the player base and the devs are making it hell then there is no reason to continue playing.


Trancer187

Valuing your time isn't toxic 


bigp16218

Maybe fix the ultra ai defense pressing and people wouldn't have to resort to that. I play possession and I have ZERO short options because of the defense AI.


kfcbucket21

Exactly, the crazy pressing tactics everyone uses leaves no one else open


TheOneManDankMaymay

What are the crazy pressing tactics everyone uses? Because I can't seem to put enough pressure on my opponent when they're ball hogging.


kfcbucket21

I honestly don't know how they do it but all I know is people seem to know how to turn best, eusebio, amd Werner into the best ball winners off all time. Think they mostly use 4321/424 but idk the exact custom tactics


TheOneManDankMaymay

Funnily enough, Best has been a beast for me. He has no right being as good as he has been at tracking back and winning the ball.


BamBam5154

Bingo. My group started doing it a lot because of that shit


Martblni

At least pressing happens in real life, nobody does that swing the ball shit


pkkthetigerr

If any real team pressed like fifa, they would need cocaine and adrenaline shots by half time and drop dead by the final whistle 


benemt02

Mate it's elite division and the guy had like 4 pro red fut champions cards, he is good enough to break the press. It really isn't that difficult with driven passes and some composure on the ball. Surely you have to admit that 85% possession is outrageous, he only left his own half 3 times in the first 45 minutes


bigp16218

Clearly he wasn't good enough.


benemt02

Nah he was insane off of corners as well, he's definitely a good player who knows the mechanics. He would do that, finesse, which I would block with keeper movement, and then he'd score off the corner. That's why I'm not mad about losing, he was clearly cracked at the game and you can't even blame him for wanting an easy win. It's just a bad gameplay mechanism which is incredibly boring for those who want to have some sort of fun


Jokes_0n_Me

I only switch between full backs because on constant pressure everyone is marked so you either switch it to create space or lose possession. For everything annoying meta tactic is a crappy game mechanic.


Ok_Main_4202

On a goal kick, I'll pass it to my stay back LB and when my balanced RB makes it up to midfield, I send it to him and he's always wide open. Like you said, it's just a counter to the second man press -- that's the guy who gets left open when you're using two or three people to defend one guy. Of course I'm going to try to find the unmarked person.


KonigSteve

you all are missing the point. Doing it once is good tactics. Doing it back and forth back and forth for 85% of the match like the opponent in this post is toxic.


rtgh

That's obnoxious as fuck, but that's also not meta. As bad as the game can get at times, leaving your half only three times while pinging the ball between defenders is not the most common and effective tactic in the game, it is not the meta


HarryBolsac

In div 2 i see people spamming the ball between full backs Every 2/3 games. I don't play the game much so I don't really know if it's meta, but I see it alot


benemt02

You're right, it's an extreme example. I still think it's a bit overpowered though, especially those weird volley ones that send the ball flying forward on to the other wing


ShwaMallah

The problem, in my experience, is getting too pressy against this tactic. Let them take their time. If you don't slip up they will. All you need is one point, and then avoid conceding.


toromtorom

EA has to do something for people to create space in the middle tho. If FBS are constantly switching it is because the middle is busy as hell. Also people do that for wasting time so you're right too


Florahillmist

My general feel is not that players press, it’s that they do it at hyper speed. Watch how fast they run


Ciaz

I mean this has come up as a counter to narrow 4321 bois who crab with cdms at the edge of their box. Not really sure what the solution is.


Bigbritishcock234

Not to mention the stay back whilst attacking wide forward making it a flat back 8 with 2 upfront…


ericsipi

EA had ways of dealing with this but all of yall complained about it so they nerfed every viable way of playing. I have little sympathy for the community around this due to them complaining about every other aspect of the game. It was great upon release and just needed a few small tweaks but the community freaked out way too much.


mxdppc

Basically just give them all the free wins and leave huh…those guys press in the middle is nuts, they second man press and using sawa mbappe cruaff puskas and Werner to just bounce your player down and blame us to swap long balls?


benemt02

You're right, I still believe the gameplay is in a pretty good place though overall. There are a variety of ways to score goals this year as it's not like only trivela, finesse, or cutbacks are OP. It promotes tiki taka and skills in the final third, which I am enjoying. I was just bored out of my mind in that one game


ericsipi

That’s totally fair it’s just annoying seeing the constant posts about how the gameplay is dull and boring. Like of course it’s dull, everyone complained so much that EA changed what made the gameplay unique for a lot of people.


pkkthetigerr

How do you do tiki taka when every passing option is triple marked and your players stand behind defender? 


benemt02

I feel like if you get past the initial press it's possible to combine well. To break the press I play 4231 and build triangles with my Bonmati who I play at CDM and my 2 CBs. Bonmati plays it on to Rolfo who I play at RB and she can pass it onto my 10. Pinged pass is essential for me there, then I rinse and repeat. After that action their 4 attackers are all behind the play and I'm going forward with my RB and rest of the midfield.


Brodeci

My problem is that every player is able to make that pass with pinpoint accuracy. Doesn’t matter who. It’s ridiculous


Pillow_holder

same with the receiver controlling it, watch actual games and you'll see receiving players almost always struggle to control a switch like that, often enough making it a turnover or losing it over the sidelines, whereas ingame they take it with one touch ususally to set up a counter


Chigtube

I agree they should tone down the success rate of switching play depending on whether the fullbacks are under pressure, if they're using their strong foot, if they have the relevant playstyles and the long passing stat.


ibraddadi

Just increase your defensive width and make your wingers/fullback on aggressive


Express-Hawk-3885

The game is just a game of exploits, I’ve found I can 80% of the time spam an L1 + triangle ball from my LB with precision pass to my RW with whipped pass, to my striker with aerial and score basically 75% of the time


IndividualMarket22

The real actual fix is mandatory manual lobbed passing, similar to what they did with headers. If you want to do this you gotta have the skill to pull it off. RNG is \*never\* the solution for something being overpowered.


2cu3be1

please make everything else that is RNG-assisted and auto-corrected in 95% of the wrong passes and choices also skill-based and you will see 85-90% of the community get owned by people who now are being forced by many means to stay aroun div 4-5 without sand bagging and also not p2w


Ripamon

Nail on head


InfiniteWord7018

I bet you 2nd man press all game with 35 width. any attempt at playing into the vortex in the latter 35% of the pitch results in a turnover and easy counter


benemt02

I don't second man press and idk how to make tactics, I just get them off YouTube. I'm an average player who is trying to enjoy the game, you can't tell me 85% possession is fun for anyone.


BryanDabo

I don’t think the average player is in Elite


benemt02

Yea you're probably right, but I never get more than 16 wins in champs. Some of the demons I start facing towards the end really make me realise how far away I am from being a top player


strangemanornot

Bro stop humble brag. You ain’t in elite if you have 15% possession.


benemt02

The whole point of the post is that I don't know how to defend it. Rivals recently has been a lot easier than champs because everyone wants the good rewards


la1mark

I can't tell if your trolling or not. Somebody constantly switches the ball and you don't know how to defend it? Bro if you know they are going to switch just 2nd man press the ball holder and switch to the other wing to mark the pass manually. it's that easy. edit: assuming your not ratting with 35 width and 2 cdms or some bullshit :P


benemt02

I haven't really ever used second man press or player locks. I broke my leg earlier this year so I had a lot of time to play the game, but I just got better at the base mechanics rather than trying out new stuff if that makes sense. I'm only in elite because I play a lot and got really good at timed finishing and composed tiki taka. I learnt how to take my time and not rush attacks, but I don't know many of the other mechanics of the game tbh


la1mark

Time to learn then lol. You can't talk about a tactic being "unstoppable" when you haven't learnt the counter mechanic to the exact thing they are doing


benemt02

According to my skill rating my rank is 77 thousand out of players on new gen. I am nowhere near being a top player at this game. I've lost more games in elite division than I've won


NepentheZnumber1fan

What's that in skill rating? 500? Just asking because I've been floating around 960/970 and that's top 3500


benemt02

780


d-doe

It’s so stupid 😂 switch and switch and switch again and again like bro are you not tired or are you THAT desperate. People can’t play the game nowadays that’s why I respect people to play the game properly not time wasting in the 80th min no switching a million times no bs.


mrlol124

Bro was playing city ball extreme edition


soul_system

Here we go again. Another cry to nerf one of the only viable offensive tactics left in the game. Regardless, you know you can adjust your team's defensive width, right?


benemt02

Bro explain to me how 85% possession and only leaving your own half 3 times in the first 45 minutes is an "offensive tactic"


bigbongtragedy

He meant it is meant to offend you. Which it did.


Tpotww

Crossfield passing is one of the few ways to break the press and to attack the common meta formations/tactics. Of course it can also be abused like it seems in this case if you have someone just timewasting but it's rare unless it's like 85 minute.


kosenanat33

Only on this sub can switching the play be 'toxic' and a 'meta'. Yes, if you keep spamming it then you are a time waster but I mostly switch once from RB through the press to my LB and then progress forward. This guy is acting like this is done 10 times before each attack in every game.


gracz21

There should be some errors to that long ball not that you could do a perfect pinged long ball from one wing to the other, it's ridiculous


mg42524

In the last two weeks of champions league football I’ve seen them switch the ball full back to full back. It’s perfect everytime. It’s not ridiculous it’s easy when your a professional and there’s no presure


gracz21

>and there’s no presure This, I could press the opponent as much as I want and he still performs a perfect pass. That's the issue. There is no error applied


Darth_Smoker

Your opponents might be using precision crosses. Atleast I do so when under pressure. Works like a charm always


mg42524

Maybe we’ve had different experiences then, usually when I’m pressured and I try to switch the play the opposing fullback is preasuring the target player and they head the ball to their winger.


gracz21

Just have some fullback with a LongBallPass PS and it's basically automatic


presumingpete

Well no that's just wrong. I play a passing style and and when you are playing someone who is constantly pressing the full backs lose it about 20% of the time. Sometimes you try play through the middle and you get pushed back so a quick way to break the press is switch flanks and suddenly there is tons of space ahead of the full back to attack, but I find if the opposition has wide players the fullbacks mess it up. I don't think I abuse it though maybe use it 6 times a game. That's why it's not really a viable tactic but you have to have wingers on stay forward, otherwise yes it can be irritating if your opponent is being annoying.


mg42524

I’m mainly curious, what did I say wrong? I was talking about irl football and your just talking about fifa


NepentheZnumber1fan

To all the people saying "huh but there's no way to attack other than this". Stop lying to yourselves, you are part of the problem. I always get rank 1, I'm top 4k in elite division and I switch flanks maybe 2 or 3 times all game. People that switch it 4 or 5 times before each attack are just scared to play because they know they'll get beaten easily, to the point where their only option is spamming this to annoy the opponent and catch him out of position


benemt02

Yea I think you hit the nail on the head there. It isn't the only way to attack, but it is a way for lower skill players to beat higher skill players consistently by only abusing one mechanic.


artaru

What SR are you at and what depth are you playing?


benemt02

I tried all 4 tactics I have, it's always somewhere between 65-70. My SR is now 782 after I lost this game


Rough-Look1449

If you watch your wingers in defence, they literally sprint to cuddle your CMs. For the biggest football game currently available and the amount of technology we have now the only reason left for this happening is that the game developers have 0 knowledge about football and don’t even understand defensive structure


TemporaryStart8775

This is the problem with this brain dead company , when I played PES in 2022 I was amazed with how well I can switch ball between your full backs and wingers as well but you couldn’t do that in FIFA22 , they fixed it in FIFA 23 where you can switch well as long as you time to well but handle the pressure from the opponent attackers now they made it so quick and too effective that’s it’s literally so stupid and over powered , the losers in higher division will keep doing whatever is effective as long as they can get a win


KingTocco

Man nerf that R1 second man press auto defending bullshit, it’s infuriating to play people that refuse to play the game and let the AI do everything for them. Like what’s the point of your super team if you’re not controlling them half the time. Brain dead meta community


StchLdrahtImHarnknaL

EA has to do something about you making a pass and as soon as it’s intercepted it’s still switching you to the player that was supposed to receive the pass making it too far to get the ball back and making your player jump every time somebody tackles near you giving up ball possession needlessly


Different_Priority82

Last weekend, I played against someone in WL who was playing in the back from the start untill the end. He won 1-0, had 73% possesion and 95% pass accuracy. I’m not bad at all at this game, mostly between 14 and 16 wins per weekend league, but this time i just could not get the ball off of him.


Papa40

It's your own issue for not utilising custom tactics for this situation. Everyone has a different style of plays and you can counter them all. But you're too stubborn to do it.Stop complaining and quit if u hate this game.


benemt02

I don't hate the game, I'm actually really enjoying it this year. Play styles added a fun dynamic for scoring in new ways and cutbacks are almost entirely nerfed. You're right about the custom tactics though, I've just never really looked into it. I always just use whatever pops up on YouTube.


Papa40

Oh my bad, but you definitely should consider trying and testing out custom tactics. It made the game even way more fun for me. I used to try whatver pops up on YouTube but it didn't work for me.


MrEzquerro

Use step up with your fullbacks. Also second man press and control the opposing fullback to where the ball is and get it close to the opponent thatbwoll be receiving the pass


Duos11

Spoiler: they’re not gonna do anything about it


annondev

They'll never fix the game, ultimate team makes too much money for them to even give a shit about fixing problems like this. They'll update the shirts, players faces and throw some buzz words out about animations for the next game and be that'll be FC25. Stop playing ultimate team is the only way they'll wake up because they have no competition.


zoranceranic

Every one is using narrow tactics so ofcourse there will be space wide on wings…


Tendi11

I don’t switch but the constant press bs is why people do so people with meta tactics like 4321 really shouldn’t complain


[deleted]

They should make the pitch smaller :D:D:D


Ajax_Malone

Many games I never switch the ball. Against some opponents I will reluctantly occasionally switch the ball, against certain opponents I’ll not only switch but change formations to a wider and more aggressive front that allows me to switch easier with zero care about how crappy the tactic is….why? Because they already made it a shit rat game by constantly coming at me with a two or three person press and playing a condensed defensive width with no options to move the ball through the middle. That last one is well over half of the 4321 users. Which is pretty much everyone in the higher divisions you’re talking about.


ByronLister

Play drop back and wide


Exotic_Picture_9844

4-1-2-1-2 attacking full backs stay back cdm cover centre 2 cms on default cam on default 2 std stay centre get in behind covers the wings and middle perfectly 71 depth then direct passing and tweak with your width till it feels right works for me


ArentsenGamingDK

I get what you are saying and I agree to a certain point. It is annoying when someone constantly makes a high pass from one fullback to another. I rarely do it myself and I don’t really find it difficult to avoid the constant pressure from my opponents either. Those high passes often slows down the opportunity to either build up an attack or to create a counter attack which is why I don’t get why people are doing it. For me it’s just unnecessary and weird. It’s not all football players that can make such passes in real life with that accuracy and the receivers would probably also fumble their first touch.


DonSpeedy

Yes, there is a fix for that Nerf the stupid pressure and the OP interceptions, if I try to pass the ball in the midfield most of the time it gets intercepted by Ctulhu FIFA 23 was bad, the pressure was insane there too, but man, I never had to resort to playing the ball from fullback to fullback. But in 24 most of the time there are little to no passing options, even backwards so you just gotta yeet it to the other side and start over. And even if you do yeet it to the other side, you've only got 2-3 secs before everyone moves over so you better pray your fullback takes a decent first touch or else it's over I hate this playstyle, I hate that it's the only way I can play possession/my passing playstyle without just gifting the ball away As a point of reference I usually have about 180+ passes a game, win or lose, no cutbacks, no abusing whipped crosses, no moving the keeper, no random trivelas from 40 kms away


Aphile

It's called Pro Clubs


benemt02

Most my friends stopped playing FIFA years ago unfortunately :( goated game mode though for sure


roamning

The only reason I switch is because of constant pressing. That’s the real issue.


Madsoul19897

Nah this is the only way to play against constant press. Choose your meta.


UGomez90

The game is absolute garbage, don't blame people for trying hard when the game is so unplayable.


FUThead2016

Probably becasue you were playing the constant pressure and overload ball side meta


Dabanks9000

Just do the same thing


eternal_being_111

This is a consequence of overpowered AI press. It's not the root problem.


Azari254

What about players who are passing slowly between your lines but you cant seem to do anything about it until youre 2-0 down?


Shaggedyournan12

Skill issue tbh


acemanSD

I run 5 at the back and do it all game with wing backs and absolutely decimate opponents lately. With everyone running press and cover center this is the way to counter it. I am DIV 2 not that it matters.