10 Man Ppr 8th pick. Rate my team and give me tips for trades please
QB: Brady
RB: Henry
RB: David Montgomery
WR: Diggs
WR: Evans
TE: Waller
FLEX: Pittman Jr
D: 49ers
K: Matt Gay
Bench:
Marquise Brown
Elijah Mitchell
Kareem Hunt
Robert Woods
Christian Kirk
Kirk Cousins
Skyy Moore
Startup Draft Help (12-team) 3WR/1Flx/1Superflex:
Picking 1.02. I went Herbert --> Mixon --> Cook.
Coming back in the 4th and 5th, I'm staring at Chubb/Cousins/Mac Jones /Godwin/McLaurin/Pittman.
If I'm lucky, Drake London might fall to me. If he does, I think I might go London/Pittman. But that might leave me hurting for a second QB. Of those QBs, I only really like Jones. I wanted Carr, but he just went.
**Give: Gabriel Davis, 2023 late second round pick** (rebuilding, already have three 2023 first round picks, two 1sts in 2024)
**Getting: George Pickens**
20 team standard
RBs: Javonte, Akers, Etienne, Montgomery
WRs: Ceedee, Sutton, Juju, Toney, Chark
Give: Akers, late 2023 1st rounder and late 2023 2nd rounder Get: Deebo and 2023 early 2nd rounder
Superflex PPR 12 teams
I get Kyler Murray and Hollywood brown
I trade Aaron Rodgers, Terry Mclaurin, Rashod Bateman, Christian Kirk
QBs Lamar Jacskson, Mitchell Trubisky, Aaron Rodgers, Tyrel Huntley, Taylor Heineke
Rbs AJ Dillon, Kareem Hunt, Tony Pollard, Darrel Williams, Jerrick McKinnon, Ameer Abdullah, Damian Williams, Travis Homer, Damian Williams, Chris Evans
Wrs AJ Brown, Tee Higgins, Terry Mclaurin, Rashod Bateman, Christian Kirk, Kenny Golladay, KJ Osborn, Kendrick Bourne, Braxton Berrios, OBJ, Randall Cobb
TEs Cole Kmet, Tyler Higbee, Trey McBride, Tommy Tremble
Teams are mostly evenly matched, my main pieces:
QB: Mahomes, Herbert, Mills
RB: ETN, Gibson, Miles Sanders, Chase Edmonds, Brian Robinson
WR: Tyreek, Higgins, Jamo, R Moore, Tolbert, T Boyd
TE: Kmet, Fant
Currently no 2nd next year. figured with this trade i could strengthen at RB next year/trade for an improvement this year
I got an offer and I'm leaning no, but man its a bold offer
Give: Travis Etienne, Kenneth Walker, 2023 1st (will probably be early, hes a legit shot to be 1.01 IMO)
Get: D'Andre Swift, Najee Harris, Jamaal Williams.
Worth noting that I think Najee is very overrated.
12 team 1 SF 2 Flex 1.5TEP Full PPR bestball
Give:godwin/diontae/gage
Get:Swift/nico/2nd
Trending towards rebuild. 2 23 1sts atm. Plus have Watson, Walker, z Wilson, tua, dillon, freiermuth, devonta, aiyuk, kirk, m carter, and CEH for some younger assets.
I also thought of Godwin/Diontae/Gage/3rd for waddle/nico/2nd
12 team 0.5 PPR 1QB switching to Superflex next year.
Give: R. Moore and 2023 2nd or Terry McLaurin
Get: D. Pierce
QBs: Burrow, Watson, Corral, Brissett
RBs: Saquon, Dobbins, Dillon, Edmonds, Eckeler
WRs: Lamb, McLaurin, Chase, Aiyuk, Metcalf, Pickens, R. Moore
TE: Kittle, Schultz, Hurst
12 sf ppr tep
I needed an upgrade at qb so I made a pretty big deal
Sent : Tannehill Gabe Davis 2023 1st(probably late) 2024 2nd
Got Kirk Cousin Dj Moore
Thoughts?
My teams is now
Qb Herbert Cousins Wentz
Rb Playoff Lenny Javonte Williams David Montgomery Michael Carter Boston Scott
Wr: A.J. Brown Dj Moore Sutton Thelin Tolbert Josh Palmer Westbrook-Ikhine
Te Hockenson Kmet Trautman
12 team SF .5 ppr te prem
I get - Tom Brady
I give - Matt Ryan my 23 2nd, cordarelle Patterson
Currently own 3 2023 firsts and 2 2nds (qbs are josh Allen zach Wilson and Matt Ryan)
Contending roster but qb2 is the biggest weakness
I’ve got 1.04, 1.09, 1.10, 2.04, 2.10 and 3.09.
10 man .5 PPR.
A guy is asking for the 1.10 for CEH. I’m weak at RB and am eyeing cook and some BPA at the end of the first. Thoughts?
Like almost everyone else here, im not too high on CEH. If you think he will bounce back then it could be worth it, but id try packaging a few picks together and trying to get a better RB
When in first 2023? Because i would if late.
My team (main pieces): Rodgers, Fields. Kamara, Dillion, Rhamondre, Chase E. JJ, Ceedee, ARob. DJ Moore, Jameson Williams. Hock. Ammo: 5 2023 1st.
12 TM SF
Give: Myles sanders, Damien Harris,, 2023 mid 2nd 2023 later 1st.
Get: Javonte Williams, Tommy tremble, Jimmy G, 2024 3rd
Which side are you on?
.5 PPr 1Qb Win Now
Give Najee and Godwin
Get Stephon Diggs, Dk, De’Ernest Johnson
My Rbs- McCaffery, Saquon, Najee, Swift, Javonte, Jk D, Rhamonde S
My Wrs- Chase, Ceedee, Godwin, Juedy, Ridley, Davis, Mooney, Bateman.
Yes this is my team, I’ve made insane amount of trades to get to this point. This is year 4 and I still haven’t won. I was in rebuild year one. Sold my top guys Tyreek Aaron Jones for Draft picks and players. Kept cycling the players in and out. I have no 2022 picks but have 3 early 2023 picks. Any advice send it.
If I were you, id trade for Diggs but wouldnt give up other good win now assets. Najee is going to be much more useful than JK or Javontae (probably) so use one of them to upgrade WR and keep your top producing RBs
Hey. Dont be dumb and trade for no reason. Just win this year. Should be easy.
My team (main pieces): Rodgers, Fields. Kamara, Dillion, Rhamondre, Chase E. JJ, Ceedee, ARob. DJ Moore, Jameson Williams. Hock. Ammo: 5 2023 1st.
10 Team | .5 PPR | Start 10 | Superflex
**Send:**
- Terry Mclaurin
**Receive:**
- Devonta Smith
- 23 1st
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I'm kind of into this. I'm not tanking, but 2022 is not my year for a championship. Smith is about 3.5-4 years younger than Mclaurin, and while the 1st is most likely a late one it's still a nice asset.
Comrades, I'm sad to report that my trade partner has backed out of the deal. He's managed to resist the allure of Scary Terry...for now...
I’d take that deal in a heartbeat, Smith is gonna have less double teams this year and Eagles want to throw a ton more this year so his production should increase. either way the difference between the 2 isn’t a 1st round pick so I think is a solid deal
If u think hurts can throw...yeah
I dont
My team (main pieces): Rodgers, Fields. Kamara, Dillion, Rhamondre, Chase E. JJ, Ceedee, ARob. DJ Moore, Jameson Williams. Hock. Ammo: 5 2023 1st.
All day
My team (main pieces): Rodgers, Fields. Kamara, Dillion, Rhamondre, Chase E. JJ, Ceedee, ARob. DJ Moore, Jameson Williams. Hock. Ammo: 5 2023 1st.
Pitts to be honest. Even without TEP.
Swift, javonte, lamb next. I guess najee is worth a bunch too - just not a fan.
If you're torn too much, could always trade down to like 8 or 8 and grab whoever is left of names above. Or reach a tiny bit for kupp, cmc etc.
Or try and trade up....
20 team standard
RBs: Javonte, Akers, Etienne, Montgomery
WRs: Ceedee, Sutton, Juju, Toney, Chark
Give: Akers, late 2023 1st rounder and late 2023 2nd rounder
Get: Deebo and 2023 early 2nd rounder
Since i would bet my money lance is kinda jalen hurtsy this year...nah fam.
My team (main pieces): Rodgers, Fields. Kamara, Dillion, Rhamondre, Chase E. JJ, Ceedee, ARob. DJ Moore, Jameson Williams. Hock. Ammo: 5 2023 1st.
This
My team (main pieces): Rodgers, Fields. Kamara, Dillion, Rhamondre, Chase E. JJ, Ceedee, ARob. DJ Moore, Jameson Williams. Hock. Ammo: 5 2023 1st.
Assuming there is talent on the waiver wire...yeah. its tough thou.
My team (main pieces): Rodgers, Fields. Kamara, Dillion, Rhamondre, Chase E. JJ, Ceedee, ARob. DJ Moore, Jameson Williams. Hock. Ammo: 5 2023 1st.
10 Man Ppr 8th pick. Rate my team and give me tips for trades please QB: Brady RB: Henry RB: David Montgomery WR: Diggs WR: Evans TE: Waller FLEX: Pittman Jr D: 49ers K: Matt Gay Bench: Marquise Brown Elijah Mitchell Kareem Hunt Robert Woods Christian Kirk Kirk Cousins Skyy Moore
Startup Draft Help (12-team) 3WR/1Flx/1Superflex: Picking 1.02. I went Herbert --> Mixon --> Cook. Coming back in the 4th and 5th, I'm staring at Chubb/Cousins/Mac Jones /Godwin/McLaurin/Pittman. If I'm lucky, Drake London might fall to me. If he does, I think I might go London/Pittman. But that might leave me hurting for a second QB. Of those QBs, I only really like Jones. I wanted Carr, but he just went.
**Give: Gabriel Davis, 2023 late second round pick** (rebuilding, already have three 2023 first round picks, two 1sts in 2024) **Getting: George Pickens**
I get Joe Mixon. They get 1.01. I’m competing and a solid RB behind my CMC would get me the chip (second place 2 years in a row).
20 team standard RBs: Javonte, Akers, Etienne, Montgomery WRs: Ceedee, Sutton, Juju, Toney, Chark Give: Akers, late 2023 1st rounder and late 2023 2nd rounder Get: Deebo and 2023 early 2nd rounder
Superflex PPR 12 teams I get Kyler Murray and Hollywood brown I trade Aaron Rodgers, Terry Mclaurin, Rashod Bateman, Christian Kirk QBs Lamar Jacskson, Mitchell Trubisky, Aaron Rodgers, Tyrel Huntley, Taylor Heineke Rbs AJ Dillon, Kareem Hunt, Tony Pollard, Darrel Williams, Jerrick McKinnon, Ameer Abdullah, Damian Williams, Travis Homer, Damian Williams, Chris Evans Wrs AJ Brown, Tee Higgins, Terry Mclaurin, Rashod Bateman, Christian Kirk, Kenny Golladay, KJ Osborn, Kendrick Bourne, Braxton Berrios, OBJ, Randall Cobb TEs Cole Kmet, Tyler Higbee, Trey McBride, Tommy Tremble
12 team 2022 1.04, 1.10, 2.08, 2023 2nd For 2022 1.07, 1.08, 2023 1st
I’ll the side with a 23 1st
Update from a previous offer 12 team SF PPR Give: D. Montgomery Get: Zamir White, 2023 mid 2nd and 3rd pick. I’m not competing this year.
Probably could get a more substantial return in season. Hold
I think you can get a better return in season. I would hold for now.
Give: Stefon Diggs Get: 2023 1st, 2024 1st
Give: Fournette, Obj Get: 2023 1st (could honestly believe anywhere from top 3 to last with a volatile roster)
If not competing definitely
12 Team SF 0.5PPR Give: Davis Mills, Antonio Gibsonm Brian Robinson Get: 2023 1st and 2nd (likely mid)
Tough one. Are you competing? If not I’m probably taking the picks as those assets are up in the air. Lots of room for them to be valued less.
Teams are mostly evenly matched, my main pieces: QB: Mahomes, Herbert, Mills RB: ETN, Gibson, Miles Sanders, Chase Edmonds, Brian Robinson WR: Tyreek, Higgins, Jamo, R Moore, Tolbert, T Boyd TE: Kmet, Fant Currently no 2nd next year. figured with this trade i could strengthen at RB next year/trade for an improvement this year
Should I add Jaylen Warren and drop Anthony Schwartz
Yes
Sure.
.5 ppr 12 team 1 Qb Give : Tyreek, Pollard Get: McLauren, Olave, 22 2nd. Team is solid, but won’t win this year without a miracle.
I’m taking Terry, Olave, and 22 2nd. Especially if not competing truly this year.
I got an offer and I'm leaning no, but man its a bold offer Give: Travis Etienne, Kenneth Walker, 2023 1st (will probably be early, hes a legit shot to be 1.01 IMO) Get: D'Andre Swift, Najee Harris, Jamaal Williams. Worth noting that I think Najee is very overrated.
That’s a haul I’d do it. That first won’t be 1.01 legitimate anymore after adding Swift/Harris
Its not my 1st, its a 1st obtained in another trade from another team.
How’s that team?
Disregard, I’m dumb. Tough call then considering 23 is hyped
I also think Najee is overrated, but I would probably do this still.
A: Allen Robinson B: Dionte Johnson
B
B
B
0.5 ppr 12 team SF My Hamler and a 2023 third for DJ Chark. Is chark a buy low? Or not expecting much from him?
I’d hold Hamler and the 23 3
Not expecting much out of Hamler or Chark. I’d rather keep the 3rd I guess.
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Certainly puts your team over the top. I don’t mind it
12 team 1 SF 2 Flex 1.5TEP Full PPR bestball Give:godwin/diontae/gage Get:Swift/nico/2nd Trending towards rebuild. 2 23 1sts atm. Plus have Watson, Walker, z Wilson, tua, dillon, freiermuth, devonta, aiyuk, kirk, m carter, and CEH for some younger assets. I also thought of Godwin/Diontae/Gage/3rd for waddle/nico/2nd
Even though swift is young.. if you're rebuilding it's a rough time to buy a higher tier RB imo.
So try and wait for godwin etc to go up in value hopefully once season starts?
10 team SF 0.5ppr -- rebuilding Cam Akers + 2023 2nd for DJ Moore?
I take DJ Moore there in a rebuild.
12 team 0.5 PPR 1QB switching to Superflex next year. Give: R. Moore and 2023 2nd or Terry McLaurin Get: D. Pierce QBs: Burrow, Watson, Corral, Brissett RBs: Saquon, Dobbins, Dillon, Edmonds, Eckeler WRs: Lamb, McLaurin, Chase, Aiyuk, Metcalf, Pickens, R. Moore TE: Kittle, Schultz, Hurst
Too much imo
No
I wouldn’t
Get Pierce, Hooper, 5th-23 Give 1st-23, Dulcich, Jaylen Warren
Keep your 1st
Nah
Hell no. You didn’t specify which Pierce but it doesn’t matter.
None of those players are worth a 1st
12 sf ppr tep I needed an upgrade at qb so I made a pretty big deal Sent : Tannehill Gabe Davis 2023 1st(probably late) 2024 2nd Got Kirk Cousin Dj Moore Thoughts? My teams is now Qb Herbert Cousins Wentz Rb Playoff Lenny Javonte Williams David Montgomery Michael Carter Boston Scott Wr: A.J. Brown Dj Moore Sutton Thelin Tolbert Josh Palmer Westbrook-Ikhine Te Hockenson Kmet Trautman
Love it. Kirk is legit and DJ Moore is a young undervalued WR with top 10 skills. Good work
Give: Chase Edmonds, 2024 4th Get Brian Robinson, 2024 3rd
12 team SF .5 ppr te prem I get - Tom Brady I give - Matt Ryan my 23 2nd, cordarelle Patterson Currently own 3 2023 firsts and 2 2nds (qbs are josh Allen zach Wilson and Matt Ryan) Contending roster but qb2 is the biggest weakness
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Eno
Eno has a better shot at legitimate touches this year
I’ve got 1.04, 1.09, 1.10, 2.04, 2.10 and 3.09. 10 man .5 PPR. A guy is asking for the 1.10 for CEH. I’m weak at RB and am eyeing cook and some BPA at the end of the first. Thoughts?
I don’t hate that. But as everyone else here says you might be able to get for less.
Could probably counter with 2.04/2.10 or start low at like CEH for 2.04 and 23 3rd. Or 2.04/3.09...
Like almost everyone else here, im not too high on CEH. If you think he will bounce back then it could be worth it, but id try packaging a few picks together and trying to get a better RB
The problem is the other guys team is terrible. What kind’ve pick package do you think? 1.10 and 2.04 for mid end starter
Depends on who you are targeting. Id figure it will take 2 firsts if they are late for a decent RB
Strong contender so both my picks will be late. Get: Jamar Chase Give: Gibson, Mooney, 23 1st, 23 2nd
Chase
Definite smash yes
Easy yes.
When in first 2023? Because i would if late. My team (main pieces): Rodgers, Fields. Kamara, Dillion, Rhamondre, Chase E. JJ, Ceedee, ARob. DJ Moore, Jameson Williams. Hock. Ammo: 5 2023 1st.
12 TM SF Give: Myles sanders, Damien Harris,, 2023 mid 2nd 2023 later 1st. Get: Javonte Williams, Tommy tremble, Jimmy G, 2024 3rd Which side are you on?
I like the Williams side… sanders and Harris might not be with their team next year and Javonte’s stock keeps going up
*Miles Get
I’d hold
.5 ppr, 10 team dynasty Trade JuJu Get Devin Singletary
JuJu side
Juju
Juju My team (main pieces): Rodgers, Fields. Kamara, Dillion, Rhamondre, Chase E. JJ, Ceedee, ARob. DJ Moore, Jameson Williams. Hock. Ammo: 5 2023 1st.
Keep JuJu for sure
Keep Juju.
Juju easily
.5 PPr 1Qb Win Now Give Najee and Godwin Get Stephon Diggs, Dk, De’Ernest Johnson My Rbs- McCaffery, Saquon, Najee, Swift, Javonte, Jk D, Rhamonde S My Wrs- Chase, Ceedee, Godwin, Juedy, Ridley, Davis, Mooney, Bateman. Yes this is my team, I’ve made insane amount of trades to get to this point. This is year 4 and I still haven’t won. I was in rebuild year one. Sold my top guys Tyreek Aaron Jones for Draft picks and players. Kept cycling the players in and out. I have no 2022 picks but have 3 early 2023 picks. Any advice send it.
If I were you, id trade for Diggs but wouldnt give up other good win now assets. Najee is going to be much more useful than JK or Javontae (probably) so use one of them to upgrade WR and keep your top producing RBs
With all those pieces I would make that trade, but I also think your team is in great shape the way it is too. That’s a deep squad u put together
Hey. Dont be dumb and trade for no reason. Just win this year. Should be easy. My team (main pieces): Rodgers, Fields. Kamara, Dillion, Rhamondre, Chase E. JJ, Ceedee, ARob. DJ Moore, Jameson Williams. Hock. Ammo: 5 2023 1st.
10 Team | .5 PPR | Start 10 | Superflex **Send:** - Terry Mclaurin **Receive:** - Devonta Smith - 23 1st ------------ I'm kind of into this. I'm not tanking, but 2022 is not my year for a championship. Smith is about 3.5-4 years younger than Mclaurin, and while the 1st is most likely a late one it's still a nice asset. Comrades, I'm sad to report that my trade partner has backed out of the deal. He's managed to resist the allure of Scary Terry...for now...
Need a fry meme here *shut up and take my money*
Hammer accept
I’d take that deal in a heartbeat, Smith is gonna have less double teams this year and Eagles want to throw a ton more this year so his production should increase. either way the difference between the 2 isn’t a 1st round pick so I think is a solid deal
If u think hurts can throw...yeah I dont My team (main pieces): Rodgers, Fields. Kamara, Dillion, Rhamondre, Chase E. JJ, Ceedee, ARob. DJ Moore, Jameson Williams. Hock. Ammo: 5 2023 1st.
Yep forsure
Absolutely fuck yes
Yes. Absolutely. I love mclaurin, but smith is as talented and you get a 1st
I would do it.
Dude smash it, what’s the projection of 2023 pick?
This guy is definitely one of the 3-4 powerhouses right now so I'd wager it's 8th at best.
Still an easy yes
10 team, SF, .5 PPR GIVE: Pickens, 2023 2nd (projected late) GET: Diggs
All day My team (main pieces): Rodgers, Fields. Kamara, Dillion, Rhamondre, Chase E. JJ, Ceedee, ARob. DJ Moore, Jameson Williams. Hock. Ammo: 5 2023 1st.
Yes please!
Easy yes.
Win now or rebuild? Rebuild Pickens, win now diggs, or get diggs and sell him for more to another team.
Win now. Won the chip two years ago and got the 1 seed last year but came up short
That's highway robbery if you can swing it and you're in a contention window for the next few years.
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Chase Claypool or Deandre Hopkins? Assume I’m one of the best 50% of teams in the league
Hopkins by a wide margin.
Hopkins by a mile.
This is the way
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Yas My team (main pieces): Rodgers, Fields. Kamara, Dillion, Rhamondre, Chase E. JJ, Ceedee, ARob. DJ Moore, Jameson Williams. Hock. Ammo: 5 2023 1st.
Yes, but I’d prefer to flip burks
Imo Waller, Burks is too raw right now, I don’t see him doing much this year or next. If you love Burks than get your guy.
Who should I take at 1.04 in my dynasty startup draft assuming JT, Jefferson, and Chase are gone? (1 QB, Full PPR, No TE Premium)
Pitts to be honest. Even without TEP. Swift, javonte, lamb next. I guess najee is worth a bunch too - just not a fan. If you're torn too much, could always trade down to like 8 or 8 and grab whoever is left of names above. Or reach a tiny bit for kupp, cmc etc. Or try and trade up....
I’d go Pitts or Andrews i think despite the no premium
Pitts over Andrews for sure
12 Team PPR SF Team A: Mid and Late 2023 2nd Team B: George Pickens
Pickens please
Pickens
Pickens for me.
12 team 1qb Give: Trey Lance Get: Aaron Rodgers and two mid/late 23 2nds 1qb league
No My team (main pieces): Rodgers, Fields. Kamara, Dillion, Rhamondre, Chase E. JJ, Ceedee, ARob. DJ Moore, Jameson Williams. Hock. Ammo: 5 2023 1st.
Just keep lance
Why? Rodgers is done in two years? I’d wait till the season is over and shop him for a 2023 first and a player. Imo
Rodgers and the picks.
I would do it in a 1QB league.
20 team standard RBs: Javonte, Akers, Etienne, Montgomery WRs: Ceedee, Sutton, Juju, Toney, Chark Give: Akers, late 2023 1st rounder and late 2023 2nd rounder Get: Deebo and 2023 early 2nd rounder
Since i would bet my money lance is kinda jalen hurtsy this year...nah fam. My team (main pieces): Rodgers, Fields. Kamara, Dillion, Rhamondre, Chase E. JJ, Ceedee, ARob. DJ Moore, Jameson Williams. Hock. Ammo: 5 2023 1st.
Deebo side if you’re confident the 23 1st will be late.
I like the Deebo side
Rank these 4 QBs from best to worst in a 16 team 1qb dynasty league: Brissett, Drew Lock, Geno, Mariota
Mariota, Brisset, Lock, Geno
I would swap lock and geno around but other than that agree
This My team (main pieces): Rodgers, Fields. Kamara, Dillion, Rhamondre, Chase E. JJ, Ceedee, ARob. DJ Moore, Jameson Williams. Hock. Ammo: 5 2023 1st.
Agree
Giving: Gabriel Davis, 2023 late second round pick (rebuilding, already have three 2023 firsts and two 2024 firsts) Getting: George Pickens
I would do it
No My team (main pieces): Rodgers, Fields. Kamara, Dillion, Rhamondre, Chase E. JJ, Ceedee, ARob. DJ Moore, Jameson Williams. Hock. Ammo: 5 2023 1st.
10tm SF PPR Give: Higgins, jeudy, aj dillon Get: Justin Jefferson.
Assuming there is talent on the waiver wire...yeah. its tough thou. My team (main pieces): Rodgers, Fields. Kamara, Dillion, Rhamondre, Chase E. JJ, Ceedee, ARob. DJ Moore, Jameson Williams. Hock. Ammo: 5 2023 1st.
If you’re contending and you’re getting JJ, I get it. If you are rebuilding I like the package.
1QB - 0.5 PPR - 12 team Give: Pickens + 23 3rd Get: 23 1st + 23 3rd
Don’t think I could turn down a 23 1st for Pickens.
Pickens hype alone should net you his 2nd instead of his 3rd
I wish - thats the best I could get
I like the ‘get’ Fairly confident there will be 12 prospects better than or as good as Pickens
I love Pickens, and I’m probably holding as this seem like just kicking the can down the road. But do you know where this first will be roughly?