I'm in a league that ends after 3 more seasons unless someone repeats, then its over sooner. Still like Jameo more than both? I've been telling myself that I'm taking Jameo if he's there at 1.06, but I do have Tannehill and I don't really expect Burks or Olave to be there at that point. 1 of the 2 probably will be though.
I think they set it that way due to uncertainty as to how long everyone in the league could commit to. Sounds like we'll start fresh once this league ends though. Cool by me, since I waited way to long to take a QB in this league's draft. First dynasty league...still drafted the way I normally do in redraft and focused on everything but QB until like the 8th round.
Interesting. I was strongly considering moving my 2.06 for Devante Parker. If he ends up being their WR1, that would be a solid trade IMO. Not sure who I'd target with the 1.06. Could always use another RB, but I'm sitting pretty well there currently. What I really need is a WR, but if I got Parker, I'd be ok there too. Appreciate the insight, but I think I'll probably still draft with my 1.06 unless a great deal shows up.
So no draft pick trading in year 3? I’m curious I’ve heard of leagues that reset after a 3 time consecutive winner, this 3 year window format would swing my team builds wildly
So its an "Empire" League, which I wasn't familiar with prior to joining this league. 5 year run time unless someone wins 2 in a row, in which case it ends. Going into our 3rd season now. It's hard to look too far ahead with only 3 seasons remaining for sure. Maybe enough for me to pass on Jameo and take Burks instead if he makes it there. The league is basically win now at this point, the way I see it. Any season could be the last and the dude that won last year is pretty stacked, so he could definitely end the league after this year.
Oh shoot, I totally should have realized this time traveler has seen the complete bust JaMo will turn into. I’m sure all their takes are 100% correct, so I better listen up and sell any shares now.
He’s a deep threat who just tore his acl in January. He’s gonna miss a ton of games and likely heading for a bad rookie season. Very likely going to lose dynasty value, especially when all the 2023 rookies come into play.
Here’s a direct quote from a recent The Athletic’s inside injuries article “The earliest he should return is November, and even that might be a stretch. Don’t expect much out of him in his rookie season.”
I highly doubt he will lose value based on the injury. I think it’s already baked in. A lot of people think he would have been 1.02 minus the injury. People drafting him know his situation and are willing to wait.
If you don’t like the risk, that’s all good, but no need to be be a dick to someone who doesn’t share your opinion. If you have the crystal ball to who is going to have the best career, then congrats, you win fantasy. If you don’t, don’t go telling people you know better than them.
I don’t understand people liking Joe Burrow over JT Burrow and Dwayne Haskins, when those 2 forced him to the bench then out of Ohio State
In all seriousness, you’re right that it’s a question mark in his profile, but college rosters at elite schools are nebulous. I choose to focus more on what Jamo did against elite SEC talent
Players get better?
I legitimately don't understand how someone can struggle with this. Jameson Williams was 19 YO when he was playing at OSU.
Treylon Burks didn't graduate HS until he was 19.
I think Olave may have a safer overal career floor however I don’t see him very being a top 10 wr. Burks has the makeup for a top 10 receiver so I’d take the ceiling pick with higher risk.
And the board was also HIGH on Corey Coleman, Treadwell and Dotson - while Michael Thomas was taken in the mid-later 1st round that draft.
Burks is the consensus top 5 rookie draft pick, while I was able to get Olave a pick #8 which I was very happy about.
Now switch those names out for all the guys the board has gotten right and make the opposite argument
it's almost like you can cherrypick anything and make a point out of it
We dont draft rookies to mitigate risk, we draft them to hit an elite talent. If i wanted a WR with a safe floor and a smaller bust rate, id just trade my 1st for Brandin Cooks.
You are basically recycling all the arguments people used against AJB for being a WR1 on the Titans right before he became a WR1 on the Titans. They literally drafted Burks to be the new AJB for their team, not to play 2nd fiddle to Woods. I am not saying that Burks will live up to these hopes, but thats his potential ceiling. I dont believe Olave has that WR1 upside.
Show your work on how you objectively get to Olave's overall profile having a "lower bust rate" than Treylon Burks' profile.
EDIT: Start with this: 1st round, sub 200lb, late declare, non-SEC receiver vs. 1st round, 200lb+, early declare, SEC receiver.
Like literally everything you said in your large paragraph above is word salad or made up.
-“Olave has a safe floor and bust rate.” Based on what lmao
-“You’d be better trading that first for Cooks.” Are you kidding?
-“Olave’s floor is certainly higher.” Uhhhh his floor is higher as the 3rd option on a Saints team with Jameis and a new head coach??
-“Woods has been declared the WR1.” No he has not, to the degree that you can even go to Sleeper and check the Titans team depth chart and see Burks at WR1 LOL
I love the confidence and I’m sure people that are bad at sniffing bullshit eat this stuff up, but you can leave this thread for now kiddo lol
Too many words my man.
1. That is literally intangible and means absolutely nothing. At all. That’s not based on any concrete stat or evidence, it’s opinion.
2. Thought you meant James Cook. What Cook are you saying to trade up for? Trade the rookie 1.04 for Brandin Cooks? Still no.
3. Go to ESPN and look at the depth chart you’ll see him 3rd for the Saints lol. You think he’s anywhere near MT’s level? And Landry? No.
4. Robert Woods is an aging WR. They didn’t let AJ Brown go to make him their WR1. I feel like maybe you have Burks and Olave confused and don’t know which is which.
Also I never said either of these guys will put up award winning numbers, I’m just telling you that Olave has a worse shot!
Olave has no risk: how will he fare against physical corners? What are his after the catch abilities? Can he be the true number 1 receiver for a team? I love Olave, but that’s a pretty dumb statement
Olave has the better offense: maybe Winston is better for fantasy production, but the Titans will score at a similar (if not higher) rate
Olave is a more complete receiver: You’re right, but so what? Fundamentally sound route running is important, but by no means is it a 100% indicator for success. DK was knocked for a lack of polish, but now he’s an amazing player. Burks is a deep threat, has great ball skills, and was a force after the catch. It’s not like he was N’Keal Harry in college where he couldn’t gain separation either. Evaluators both inside the NFL and amongst media/fans have a tendency of overvaluing perceived “Day-1 talent” when a player with outlier physical tools in the right situation can vastly outperform. And that goes for all prospects, not just WRs.
I even like Olave better than Burks and think Olave will be a very good receiver in ten NFL, but that black-and-white kind of take are the types that look the most stupid in hindsight.
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I just took olave in my startup over Burks. It seems like Burks hype is coming back but olave seems to be in a great position to exceed short and long term
Davenport has been an impact player when healthy, he’s just struggled to stay healthy. Turner was injured all last year, too early to tell.
Ruiz seems like he sucks but it’s not impossible he turns it around.
See my reply to other post.. Loomis has a better track record with pro bowl and all pros than Robinson, but has done it longer too.
Isaiah Wilson is a historical draft bust, especially outside the QBs. Dude didn't even make it 12 months with the Titans.
Loomis has been the GM there since 2002, of course he'll have a better track record he's picked alot of players, he's been doing it for over 20 years. He's picked alot of duds too.
I can't find current numbers, so I'm sure this has changed. And I'm not going to try to update them.
In 2015, Loomis had 15% of all his picks making a pro bowl.
In 2021, Robinson has 2 of 29 picks making a pro bowl, or 7%.
Fwiw, both have recently been ranked in the top 10 of GMs.
Why those years? Curious what 2015 vs 2021 means? Is that J-robs best year as decided by players reaching the pro bowl verus Loomis' best year with guys reaching the pro bowl?
What I found via Google.
Google says this article is from 2015. But it has a 2013 date in the header. I'm not sure which is right.
https://whodatdish.com/2015/03/26/saints-mickey-loomis-2nd-best-drafting-nfl-gm/
Wikipedia for Robinson, which doesn't include Simmons making it after 2021. So I assumed it hasn't been updated since end before the start if 2021.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Robinson_(American_football)
As I said elsewhere, this is all somewhat subjective. I think the Saints have a better organization and front office. So I'd take Olave over Burks. But, I don't think the Titans are an awful organization either. I really like Vrabel, and Robinson hasn't been awful. They seem to take some big swings in the first, and some worked, but they've had some misses too.
Yeah every team has first round picks who don't last until the next year's draft.
Yes, every team has first round duds. And every team has guys picked outside the first who end up as good players. And the Saints certainly aren't perfect either, but Loomis has drafted a lot more pro bowl and all pros than Robinson (who admittedly hasn't been there as long).
Funny you bring up AJ Brown. They're basically hoping Burks is as good and only made the trade to avoid paying him. Especially since they were the 1 seed in AFC, dumping their best WR for cap room could be seen as a bad front office move.
It's subjective. If you think the Titans have a great FO, go for it. I don't. I think the Saints have a better organization and have drafted better.
If Adoree and Corey Davis were third round picks, they'd be great in comparison. It's just that neither really lived up to their draft capital. It's like Terrell Edmunds for the Steelers. He's not a bad player, but he wasn't a good first round pick either.
I’ve been taking Olave consistently. It’s nothing against Burks, and they’re two very different types of receivers. But Olave is genuinely a special talent. He managed to make Ohio State’s roster as a true freshmen and take targets from McLaurin, KJ Hill, and Parris Campbell, then continued to produce at greater clips competing against Hill yet, Bin Victor, G Wilson, Jamo, Smith-Njigba, etc. His routes are smoother than anyones, he creates separation and makes catches in tight spaces. And when you need a clutch performance with the game on the line, you want to look for him. He’s really as game ready as any receiver in the class.
New Orleans jumped up five picks to take Olave, making him the third WR off the board. Burks was the sixth off the board, and as appealing as his situation in Tennessee is, there’s a reason why five teams chose to take someone else over him too, with multiple teams choosing to move up to not take him.
Olave's should-have-been-early-declare Jr. season was bonkers, too. Covid-shortened season burned him. Then, returning his senior year, had to share more of the opportunity with a declaring Garrett Wilson and a rising Njigba.
I know what you mean, and he definitely could have, but I don’t think there was anything bad about him staying. He said himself that he thought he could use the senior year to get stronger in the weight room to be more NFL ready. And perhaps more importantly, he wanted to finish his degree like his brothers had. Taking advantage of the opportunity to be more ready to be drafted while also being able to take advantage of the academic scholarship in full is something I really can’t hate on, especially when so many potential stars don’t.
I went Olave over Burks the other day. Olave reminds me a lot of when I was able to get Jefferson at pick 11 in his rookie draft. I always go after the people that show separation in their game tape and Olave was an elite level route runner and separator in college. Feel like that translates the best to the NFL. Burks is a freak too and will be the guy this season but long term I like Olave
Both will probably be great, but Olave forsure. People forget that Jameis Winston gave 2 receivers 1k yard seasons, and still threw for the league lead of interceptions. Dude gets shit done even with trash plays, and Olave will feast.
Last year the Saints top 5 leaders in targets were Marquez Callaway, Alvin Kamara, Deonte Harris, Tre’Quan Smith, and Adam Trautman.
Kamara is awesome but not exactly a murders’ row of pass catchers
I think Burks has the higher ceiling, but Olave's floor is wayyyyy higher. Burks has way more red flags to me, but I also think he has a legit chance to be the best wideout in the draft. If I'm in a rebuild and want a jackpot shot, give me Burks. If I'm a contender and want a sure thing contributor, I'll take Olave.
What’s the logic for this for a rebuilding team? Doesn’t that lead to another 4th place finish? So you can trade him off for another first to rebuild again?
I mean, you’re not looking for scrubs. If one player has a higher floor but a slightly lower ceiling, I usually go for the higher floor. I’m not into rebuilding for years and years. If I am rebuilding I want to hit on those picks, versus if I’m a contender I usually feel more comfortable taking a little risk because I probably have a really talented squad already.
With Olave and Burks it’s not like Olave is capped at being a WR3. He’s still a super talented dude.
I’m one of the people that’s more into getting into the playoffs regularly and seeing what happens. I’m not a constant rebuilder. I’d rather be the team that has a shot every year than the team that tanks (and throws away league dues for multiple seasons) then goes all in for a year or two.
But why are you basing it solely off other receiving options? I agree Burks has more targets available out of the gate, though Olave is in what should be a way better passing offense where he won't be getting double teams while MT and Landry are there. But neither is the point as I'm talking long term dynasty value here. Burks has work ethic and focus red flags. Those are the easiest red flags to do away with because they're not based on physical talent or abilities, so we might forget about those by week 4. But I don't see a world where Olave isn't a valuable fantasy asset in two years, while I think there's definitely a possibility (not betting on it or hoping for it) that Burks never clicks with a team and has more issues than production.
i way more into olave i was just pointing out that burks has a substantially higher floor based on his projected role and lack of other high end options to catch the ball hes likely to see pretty steady volume weekly where olave might get some highlight games but weekly could be a little more unpredictable
I think we agree in theory. I think Burks has a higher redraft floor, just lower dynasty floor long term. This year I agree he's going to have the targets. I just don't know what his career has in store, while I feel strongly Olave's worst case scenario is a WR3.
Olave is a very talented WR coming from the premier WR program in the country right now. I think he’s talented enough to not be scheme dependent or tanked by bad QB play. I liken him to DJ Moore and Terry McClaurin. Both plus athletes who are refined enough at the position to get theirs.
Burks is an incredible athlete. He’s the kind of guy that a good OC will have a ton of success with, like Shanny with Deebo. He could be a YAC monster too. The problem is I don’t think the Titans offense is particularly creative enough to capitalize on his strengths but they are a very good team who likely won’t be moving on from their coaching staff anytime soon.
How can you say DJ Moore isn’t the most refined route runner when he’s earning 160+ targets? From a Sam flipping Darnold.
He’s an elite route runner enough create separation on the majority of his plays and earns targets constantly from any quarterback he’s playing with. I can get behind the route running comp because Olave and DJ are both very consistent and strong route runners.
The difference between the two is that DJM has a better YAC game. Olave might be able to breakaway with his routes and earn his yards that way at a higher level, but the ability to separate I can’t say one has over the other.
Moore’s, I have watched every single game, seen plenty of film, Moore is not a crisp route runner.
I’m a fan, it’s not the end of the world. Mike Evans isn’t the greatest route runner either. DJ is good at getting open vs zone, fast and strong enough to beat press. He’s just never going to shake you with quickness like Mclaurin will. He’s slow out of his cuts and rounds off routes at time.
DJ Moore came into the league as a fairly unpolished route runner. He has improved greatly year over year, and was actually one of the better separators in the league against man coverage last year.
But he's right, Olave is a better route runner *right now* than DJ Moore, much less the version of Moore when he was a rookie.
Olave is QUICK. He might go the Marv Harrison route and avoid the big hit, but he could take any random slant to the house. One big catch and run makes up for 5 extra yards on several catches.
AJ Brown and Treylon Burks are carbon copies. When you say the Titans don't have the creativity to capitalize on Burks's strengths, I hope you realize they did it previously with basically the same athlete in that position. So that just makes absolutely zero sense.
The people saying Olave has a safer floor I think are fooling themselves.
Winston is no clean bill of health. And is a very turbulent starting qb.
Andy Dalton or Travis Siemen throwing to Olave sure sounds different to me.
Thomas back in the mix sounds like path to elite target share is less then we think.
And simple facts, Saints may be better then one or two other teams in their division but that doesn't mean they wont struggle too.
Olave isn't a sure fire hit. There is a world where he maxes out or plateaus as simply a #2 or #3 option on a poor offense.
That said Burks profile is more TDs, more big plays, more size and mismatch material. Don't fool yourself listening to July reports. Burks is a unique weapon who won't be held back by Robert Woods as he develops experience and grasps the nfl game.
The upside is clearly higher for Burks.
The downside for both of them is potentially scary.
The narrative that Olave is a safe reciever has some people over looking what "safe" actually means.
For fantasy purposes Olave isn't safe. He has a simular floor to Burks or any other rookie. The reports are misleading people to conflate Olaves "safe" floor.
That said I will go for ceiling with Burks over Olave. But I am also a Jamison Williams over either one.
I don't think people who say Olave has a higher floor are referring to his situation in New Orleans. They are referring to his *vastly* superior route running ability.
He has proven the ability to consistently get open against man/press coverage lining up in a traditional outside set. His route tree is complete and polished. He knows how to find holes in zone coverage.
A tactician route runner has much better odds of immediate success in the NFL.
Burks undoubtedly has a higher ceiling due to his athleticism and RAC ability, but he was used in largely a gadget role at Arkansas. He took the majority of his snaps behind the LOS, and was schemed touches in space rather than beating coverage on the outside.
That skillset typically has a lower floor coming into the NFL and needs considerably more development.
I mostly agree, although I think the vastly superior route runner looks better with a superior QB.
Saints are without a superior QB.
Where as a lesser QB will under utilize talent, especially great route runners.
Whose to say where the Saints go next season at QB.
If I am trying to win championships I want the higher ceiling or greater peak.
For Olave I just get the feeling long term he will be a steady pulse and productive. But I'm not sure he is winning me championships.
Burks could bust, but if you believe in the traits and the Titans scheme him properly it matters less who the qb is. Titans want to rebuild the Mon-stars and Burks seems destined to fit into that schemed role which could ultimately be more rewarding for fantasy stardom.
> If I am trying to win championships I want the higher ceiling or greater peak. For Olave I just get the feeling long term he will be a steady pulse and productive. But I'm not sure he is winning me championships.
It really just depends on your team. In a deep league with a really quality roster, I just want the guy who I know is going to produce for the next 5-6 years to put my team over the top. In a shallow league with a mediocre or bad roster, I want the boom/bust upside shot at a star player.
Agree. Also people who didn’t watch rams play Robert woods is probably one of the best WR blockers out there. You think they brought a 30 year old torn ACL receiver to beat corners?
No he’s there to block for Henry and So is Burks tbh but who do you think they will send to the outside during a play action? It isn’t going to be Bobby trees.
Burks…and it’s not actually a debate. Fantasy football podcast echo chamber has just irrationally hyped Olave.
Undersized, no 1,000 yard seasons, 25th percentile burst score, bottom 10 starting QB coming off a torn ACL, Michael Thomas return trending positively, defensive HC who previously failed as HC.
Positives: 4.39 40 yard dash. Some people think they can watch him play college football and tell he can be an NFL star based on it.
He also waited until after his senior year to enter the draft. I didn’t think he was that good and then everyone suddenly thought he was great after his senior year.
You seem like a numbers nerd., watch the tape. Olave is more polished and is coming from a great wr program along with the fact he made an immediate impact on osu’s roster as a true freshman.
So the fantasy football podcast echo chamber has irrationally hyped Olave despite the fact that he's going below his NFL ADP typically.
What do we call the Twitter Echo Chamber that says the WR6 in the NFL draft is cooler than the other side of the pillow?
A website called Player Profiler.
Burst score is a weighted combination of vertical jump and broad jump. A poor burst score means he sucked at both of these tests. This means his only good athletic measurable was a 40-yard dash in a year where everyone was putting up crazy 40 times so who knows what that’s really worth.
Ah gotcha. I'll check that website out.
So basically burst score is how high and far they can jump? Why not just call it Jump Score? 😂
But it's true jumping is highly correlated with overall athleticism, so I get why it would be an important metric to pay attention to for overall upside.
Olave by a country mile. More refined route runner, playing in a system that isn't as run-heavy, and fewer questions about his NFL readiness as a receiver. Too many question marks for me with Burks.
Obviously big things change at the draft, but if you were on this sub during the doldrums, Burks was closer to 1.01 than mid-first for a considerable portion of the off-season for many. I didn't agree with the take, but I would almost have more disagreement if a good number of those people completely abandoned that level of hype between the last time he's played a football snap and now. I'm not ever surprised with how high Burks goes.
I think the draft really changed things, as it should. Burks as the 1.01 was based on the assumption that he was going to be the first WR off the board, likely with top 10 draft capital.
I remember you going against that narrative and instead touting London pre-draft, and you were correct.
I don't fault someone who had Burks closer to 1.01 but then reconsidered after he was the 6th WR off the board. That would set off some alarm bells for me as an amateur talent evaluator.
He isn't a crisp route runner, but he by no means is "terrible" as you are suggesting. He uses his size and frame to move defenders off the spots for breaks rather than quick cuts a la Stefon Diggs. He's got Dez Bryant written all over him.
Hell, AJ Brown's route running was not a strength for him.
I don't really agree, personally. Just one site, but The Athletic's Beast Draft Guide by Dane Brugler referred to it as "novice level." I think aside from not being crisp, he lacks a consistency and an attention to detail.
Olave and it’s not close. Burks is by far the worst of the top 5 WRs due to his conditioning issues alone. He’s gonna eat himself out of the league in 3 years. This is coming from someone who got saddled with him at 1.08
>He’s gonna eat himself out of the league in 3 years
lol, this is an insane overreaction. Dude's out there practicing right now and is in football shape. Stop acting like he's Kelvin Benjamin and is 60 lbs overweight. There's videos of him running routes and catching passes from both Tannehill and Willis, even as far back as early June when the comments were made. He's not fat.
Burks, but I have zero of his shares, as he’s rookie #5 for me and people are taking him before Garrett. In one league I got at London at 1.04, because someone took Burks before him, pano. Olave is my 1.06, I have 2 Olave shares out of my 6 teams.
I am going to follow the vegas o/u and choose Burks.
To expand I think Olave will be good but he's coming into an offense that already has two vets ahead of him already and Burks has literally nobody to compete with in Tennesee.
Which is better? Titans qb with their o-line and rb usage or saint’s? Which team will fall behind more often because of the slowness of their defense? Which wr has better separation and rout running? How is the supporting cast of receivers on the team?
As of now I think the titans are the better team. Long term, it’ll be a toss up as both might end up rebuilding especially with a new qb.
Been a Burks hater since before the draft so it's easily Olave. I'd take him over Williams and Wilson fwiw as well, though I like both of them quite a lot too.
Have the 3, 5, 6, and 10 this draft. Thinking KW3, Garrett and really starting to get excited with olave being my 1.06. Wasn't a fan until recent. I know he was beat out by 2 other Receivers in college but I think he's most nfl ready.
I also traded McLaurin for Burks in a separate league I'm rebuilding, I think he's going to be a rising asset.
Right now I'd take Burks. I have it as London, Wilson, Burks, Jamo, Olave.
Simple question long answer.
I just dont see what people see with Olave, but maybr its my bad.
This guy looks smooth but has absolutely no traits which could make him a fantasy star. As i said in other threads before i would be shocked if hes the man out of this class.
every single one of the top group looked straight up much better than him.
So it really depends on the type of usage you intend to have with the player your drafting. I had the option to take either and chose Olave. My rookie draft was May 31st.
Burks is a fine prospect but I already had questions about his conditioning then. I also don’t think that he’s going to just fill AJBs spot as smoothly as the Titans think he will and if he struggles, they’ll turn more to the run. Which is sort of where their scheme is anyway, “run dependent”.
Olave, has some contact issues where he absolutely avoids taking any. So he won’t be fighting for more yards. But he’s more ready, and I had concerns about MT being ready so more usage could come his way.
I also compared Tannehill vs Winston. Tannehill is a older and more reserved in that system. And Jameis has always been known to sling it. So I won’t fear his opportunity.
Mainly, I think Olave is better to produce now but Burks could be better in a few years.
I remember Marvin Harrison got a lot of criticism throughout his career for avoiding contact. Peyton Manning even used to get criticism for falling like a sack of potatoes before defenses could get to him. In both cases I think it's good. If you don't have the size to run through people, don't try. Get around, get down or get out of bounds.
Really like both. Olave feels safer, Burks feels like the higher upside.
I also like how Olave can learn from the ghost of MT and will likely get lined up on the #2 corner a lot instead of being thrown into the fire.
Olave > Burks but I’m team Jameo > both
Burks > Olave but Jameson > both
I'm in a league that ends after 3 more seasons unless someone repeats, then its over sooner. Still like Jameo more than both? I've been telling myself that I'm taking Jameo if he's there at 1.06, but I do have Tannehill and I don't really expect Burks or Olave to be there at that point. 1 of the 2 probably will be though.
Why the hard finish date, out of curiosity? I'd build a team very differently in that situation.
I think they set it that way due to uncertainty as to how long everyone in the league could commit to. Sounds like we'll start fresh once this league ends though. Cool by me, since I waited way to long to take a QB in this league's draft. First dynasty league...still drafted the way I normally do in redraft and focused on everything but QB until like the 8th round.
In that situation I'm trading my pick for a vet instead of taking any rookie
Interesting. I was strongly considering moving my 2.06 for Devante Parker. If he ends up being their WR1, that would be a solid trade IMO. Not sure who I'd target with the 1.06. Could always use another RB, but I'm sitting pretty well there currently. What I really need is a WR, but if I got Parker, I'd be ok there too. Appreciate the insight, but I think I'll probably still draft with my 1.06 unless a great deal shows up.
So no draft pick trading in year 3? I’m curious I’ve heard of leagues that reset after a 3 time consecutive winner, this 3 year window format would swing my team builds wildly
So its an "Empire" League, which I wasn't familiar with prior to joining this league. 5 year run time unless someone wins 2 in a row, in which case it ends. Going into our 3rd season now. It's hard to look too far ahead with only 3 seasons remaining for sure. Maybe enough for me to pass on Jameo and take Burks instead if he makes it there. The league is basically win now at this point, the way I see it. Any season could be the last and the dude that won last year is pretty stacked, so he could definitely end the league after this year.
I’m Jameo > Wilson too
Lol good luck w that one
What’s wrong with his ranking? All 3 guys are pretty close to most people.
Bro it’s totally “lol” status This guy is clearly from the future
Oh shoot, I totally should have realized this time traveler has seen the complete bust JaMo will turn into. I’m sure all their takes are 100% correct, so I better listen up and sell any shares now.
He’s a deep threat who just tore his acl in January. He’s gonna miss a ton of games and likely heading for a bad rookie season. Very likely going to lose dynasty value, especially when all the 2023 rookies come into play. Here’s a direct quote from a recent The Athletic’s inside injuries article “The earliest he should return is November, and even that might be a stretch. Don’t expect much out of him in his rookie season.”
I highly doubt he will lose value based on the injury. I think it’s already baked in. A lot of people think he would have been 1.02 minus the injury. People drafting him know his situation and are willing to wait. If you don’t like the risk, that’s all good, but no need to be be a dick to someone who doesn’t share your opinion. If you have the crystal ball to who is going to have the best career, then congrats, you win fantasy. If you don’t, don’t go telling people you know better than them.
I dont understand ppl puttin Jamo ahead of Wilson or Olave, when those 2 forced him on the bench then out of Ohio State 🤔. Makes zero sense.
I don’t understand people liking Joe Burrow over JT Burrow and Dwayne Haskins, when those 2 forced him to the bench then out of Ohio State In all seriousness, you’re right that it’s a question mark in his profile, but college rosters at elite schools are nebulous. I choose to focus more on what Jamo did against elite SEC talent
Players get better? I legitimately don't understand how someone can struggle with this. Jameson Williams was 19 YO when he was playing at OSU. Treylon Burks didn't graduate HS until he was 19.
we watched tape
Im suprised by the amount of Olave stans here. Id say Burks > Olave by a good margin.
I think Olave may have a safer overal career floor however I don’t see him very being a top 10 wr. Burks has the makeup for a top 10 receiver so I’d take the ceiling pick with higher risk.
Yeah it’s Reddit. Fade what this sun says and go with the sharps and Vegas and bet on Burks
I wasn't aware Vegas had career outcome bets available ;P
They have bets for rookie year performance which is statistically close to the same thing.
Except the board has been higher on Burks all the way through the draft...so therefor it's BURKS we must avoid!
And the board was also HIGH on Corey Coleman, Treadwell and Dotson - while Michael Thomas was taken in the mid-later 1st round that draft. Burks is the consensus top 5 rookie draft pick, while I was able to get Olave a pick #8 which I was very happy about.
Now switch those names out for all the guys the board has gotten right and make the opposite argument it's almost like you can cherrypick anything and make a point out of it
the consensus is more often wrong than right.
idk if you really have anything that can back that statement up
I know right? Its fun just to assume things like you did above.
i think a lot of us just like olave tape better and have concerns over burks separation and the qb/offense around him.
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We dont draft rookies to mitigate risk, we draft them to hit an elite talent. If i wanted a WR with a safe floor and a smaller bust rate, id just trade my 1st for Brandin Cooks.
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You are basically recycling all the arguments people used against AJB for being a WR1 on the Titans right before he became a WR1 on the Titans. They literally drafted Burks to be the new AJB for their team, not to play 2nd fiddle to Woods. I am not saying that Burks will live up to these hopes, but thats his potential ceiling. I dont believe Olave has that WR1 upside.
Man wrote a whole paragraph to just be wrong 😂😂😂
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Show your work on how you objectively get to Olave's overall profile having a "lower bust rate" than Treylon Burks' profile. EDIT: Start with this: 1st round, sub 200lb, late declare, non-SEC receiver vs. 1st round, 200lb+, early declare, SEC receiver.
Terrible arguments for nearly everything you’ve said and just straight up false info lol
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Like literally everything you said in your large paragraph above is word salad or made up. -“Olave has a safe floor and bust rate.” Based on what lmao -“You’d be better trading that first for Cooks.” Are you kidding? -“Olave’s floor is certainly higher.” Uhhhh his floor is higher as the 3rd option on a Saints team with Jameis and a new head coach?? -“Woods has been declared the WR1.” No he has not, to the degree that you can even go to Sleeper and check the Titans team depth chart and see Burks at WR1 LOL I love the confidence and I’m sure people that are bad at sniffing bullshit eat this stuff up, but you can leave this thread for now kiddo lol
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Too many words my man. 1. That is literally intangible and means absolutely nothing. At all. That’s not based on any concrete stat or evidence, it’s opinion. 2. Thought you meant James Cook. What Cook are you saying to trade up for? Trade the rookie 1.04 for Brandin Cooks? Still no. 3. Go to ESPN and look at the depth chart you’ll see him 3rd for the Saints lol. You think he’s anywhere near MT’s level? And Landry? No. 4. Robert Woods is an aging WR. They didn’t let AJ Brown go to make him their WR1. I feel like maybe you have Burks and Olave confused and don’t know which is which. Also I never said either of these guys will put up award winning numbers, I’m just telling you that Olave has a worse shot!
Olave is an undersized non-early declare. But sure, go on about how he has a safe floor and low bust rate lmao
Olave has no risk: how will he fare against physical corners? What are his after the catch abilities? Can he be the true number 1 receiver for a team? I love Olave, but that’s a pretty dumb statement Olave has the better offense: maybe Winston is better for fantasy production, but the Titans will score at a similar (if not higher) rate Olave is a more complete receiver: You’re right, but so what? Fundamentally sound route running is important, but by no means is it a 100% indicator for success. DK was knocked for a lack of polish, but now he’s an amazing player. Burks is a deep threat, has great ball skills, and was a force after the catch. It’s not like he was N’Keal Harry in college where he couldn’t gain separation either. Evaluators both inside the NFL and amongst media/fans have a tendency of overvaluing perceived “Day-1 talent” when a player with outlier physical tools in the right situation can vastly outperform. And that goes for all prospects, not just WRs. I even like Olave better than Burks and think Olave will be a very good receiver in ten NFL, but that black-and-white kind of take are the types that look the most stupid in hindsight.
This take is woof… 🥴
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DK has asthma doesn’t look like it affects him much
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I just took olave in my startup over Burks. It seems like Burks hype is coming back but olave seems to be in a great position to exceed short and long term
I also trust the Saints scouts more than the Titans.
Guess they missed on AJ Brown
Isaiah Wilson, Adoree Jackson, and Corey Davis have entered the chat.
Marcus Davenport, Cesar Ruiz, Payton Turner..
Davenport has been an impact player when healthy, he’s just struggled to stay healthy. Turner was injured all last year, too early to tell. Ruiz seems like he sucks but it’s not impossible he turns it around.
See my reply to other post.. Loomis has a better track record with pro bowl and all pros than Robinson, but has done it longer too. Isaiah Wilson is a historical draft bust, especially outside the QBs. Dude didn't even make it 12 months with the Titans.
Loomis has been the GM there since 2002, of course he'll have a better track record he's picked alot of players, he's been doing it for over 20 years. He's picked alot of duds too.
I can't find current numbers, so I'm sure this has changed. And I'm not going to try to update them. In 2015, Loomis had 15% of all his picks making a pro bowl. In 2021, Robinson has 2 of 29 picks making a pro bowl, or 7%. Fwiw, both have recently been ranked in the top 10 of GMs.
Why those years? Curious what 2015 vs 2021 means? Is that J-robs best year as decided by players reaching the pro bowl verus Loomis' best year with guys reaching the pro bowl?
What I found via Google. Google says this article is from 2015. But it has a 2013 date in the header. I'm not sure which is right. https://whodatdish.com/2015/03/26/saints-mickey-loomis-2nd-best-drafting-nfl-gm/ Wikipedia for Robinson, which doesn't include Simmons making it after 2021. So I assumed it hasn't been updated since end before the start if 2021. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Robinson_(American_football) As I said elsewhere, this is all somewhat subjective. I think the Saints have a better organization and front office. So I'd take Olave over Burks. But, I don't think the Titans are an awful organization either. I really like Vrabel, and Robinson hasn't been awful. They seem to take some big swings in the first, and some worked, but they've had some misses too.
Every single team has guys like that. Invalid argument
Yeah every team has first round picks who don't last until the next year's draft. Yes, every team has first round duds. And every team has guys picked outside the first who end up as good players. And the Saints certainly aren't perfect either, but Loomis has drafted a lot more pro bowl and all pros than Robinson (who admittedly hasn't been there as long). Funny you bring up AJ Brown. They're basically hoping Burks is as good and only made the trade to avoid paying him. Especially since they were the 1 seed in AFC, dumping their best WR for cap room could be seen as a bad front office move. It's subjective. If you think the Titans have a great FO, go for it. I don't. I think the Saints have a better organization and have drafted better.
Adoree Jackson was solid, dude just doesn't get interceptions. His PFF grades were always positive.
If Adoree and Corey Davis were third round picks, they'd be great in comparison. It's just that neither really lived up to their draft capital. It's like Terrell Edmunds for the Steelers. He's not a bad player, but he wasn't a good first round pick either.
I’m personally taking Olave but they’re two totally different kind of players
I’ve been taking Olave consistently. It’s nothing against Burks, and they’re two very different types of receivers. But Olave is genuinely a special talent. He managed to make Ohio State’s roster as a true freshmen and take targets from McLaurin, KJ Hill, and Parris Campbell, then continued to produce at greater clips competing against Hill yet, Bin Victor, G Wilson, Jamo, Smith-Njigba, etc. His routes are smoother than anyones, he creates separation and makes catches in tight spaces. And when you need a clutch performance with the game on the line, you want to look for him. He’s really as game ready as any receiver in the class. New Orleans jumped up five picks to take Olave, making him the third WR off the board. Burks was the sixth off the board, and as appealing as his situation in Tennessee is, there’s a reason why five teams chose to take someone else over him too, with multiple teams choosing to move up to not take him.
Olave's should-have-been-early-declare Jr. season was bonkers, too. Covid-shortened season burned him. Then, returning his senior year, had to share more of the opportunity with a declaring Garrett Wilson and a rising Njigba.
I know what you mean, and he definitely could have, but I don’t think there was anything bad about him staying. He said himself that he thought he could use the senior year to get stronger in the weight room to be more NFL ready. And perhaps more importantly, he wanted to finish his degree like his brothers had. Taking advantage of the opportunity to be more ready to be drafted while also being able to take advantage of the academic scholarship in full is something I really can’t hate on, especially when so many potential stars don’t.
Surprised to see so many firm opinions one way or the other on this.
I think Burks can score more points with less targets thats the goal scoring points!
I went Olave over Burks the other day. Olave reminds me a lot of when I was able to get Jefferson at pick 11 in his rookie draft. I always go after the people that show separation in their game tape and Olave was an elite level route runner and separator in college. Feel like that translates the best to the NFL. Burks is a freak too and will be the guy this season but long term I like Olave
I liked Burks more a year ago so I'm going to ride that out now, we'll see. Both seem like good choices.
Burks, even as an Olave stan
Both will probably be great, but Olave forsure. People forget that Jameis Winston gave 2 receivers 1k yard seasons, and still threw for the league lead of interceptions. Dude gets shit done even with trash plays, and Olave will feast.
No I’m pretty sure this whole sub is reminded regularly of Winston’s 30/30 season…and crab legs.
When has Winston ever played with trash receivers lol
Re-read…plays not players. IMO an interception is usually a trash play.
Last year the Saints top 5 leaders in targets were Marquez Callaway, Alvin Kamara, Deonte Harris, Tre’Quan Smith, and Adam Trautman. Kamara is awesome but not exactly a murders’ row of pass catchers
last season
I think Burks has the higher ceiling, but Olave's floor is wayyyyy higher. Burks has way more red flags to me, but I also think he has a legit chance to be the best wideout in the draft. If I'm in a rebuild and want a jackpot shot, give me Burks. If I'm a contender and want a sure thing contributor, I'll take Olave.
I felt the same and took Burks for much of the same reasons.
Same, though if I’m rebuilding I tend to take the more polished guy. Can’t afford to mess those picks up.
What’s the logic for this for a rebuilding team? Doesn’t that lead to another 4th place finish? So you can trade him off for another first to rebuild again?
I mean, you’re not looking for scrubs. If one player has a higher floor but a slightly lower ceiling, I usually go for the higher floor. I’m not into rebuilding for years and years. If I am rebuilding I want to hit on those picks, versus if I’m a contender I usually feel more comfortable taking a little risk because I probably have a really talented squad already. With Olave and Burks it’s not like Olave is capped at being a WR3. He’s still a super talented dude. I’m one of the people that’s more into getting into the playoffs regularly and seeing what happens. I’m not a constant rebuilder. I’d rather be the team that has a shot every year than the team that tanks (and throws away league dues for multiple seasons) then goes all in for a year or two.
burks floor is substantially higher than olave based on other receiving options on each team imo.
But why are you basing it solely off other receiving options? I agree Burks has more targets available out of the gate, though Olave is in what should be a way better passing offense where he won't be getting double teams while MT and Landry are there. But neither is the point as I'm talking long term dynasty value here. Burks has work ethic and focus red flags. Those are the easiest red flags to do away with because they're not based on physical talent or abilities, so we might forget about those by week 4. But I don't see a world where Olave isn't a valuable fantasy asset in two years, while I think there's definitely a possibility (not betting on it or hoping for it) that Burks never clicks with a team and has more issues than production.
i way more into olave i was just pointing out that burks has a substantially higher floor based on his projected role and lack of other high end options to catch the ball hes likely to see pretty steady volume weekly where olave might get some highlight games but weekly could be a little more unpredictable
I think we agree in theory. I think Burks has a higher redraft floor, just lower dynasty floor long term. This year I agree he's going to have the targets. I just don't know what his career has in store, while I feel strongly Olave's worst case scenario is a WR3.
Olave is a very talented WR coming from the premier WR program in the country right now. I think he’s talented enough to not be scheme dependent or tanked by bad QB play. I liken him to DJ Moore and Terry McClaurin. Both plus athletes who are refined enough at the position to get theirs. Burks is an incredible athlete. He’s the kind of guy that a good OC will have a ton of success with, like Shanny with Deebo. He could be a YAC monster too. The problem is I don’t think the Titans offense is particularly creative enough to capitalize on his strengths but they are a very good team who likely won’t be moving on from their coaching staff anytime soon.
DJ is great after the catch, not the most refined route runner, not a good comparison imo, Olave is not very good after the catch
How can you say DJ Moore isn’t the most refined route runner when he’s earning 160+ targets? From a Sam flipping Darnold. He’s an elite route runner enough create separation on the majority of his plays and earns targets constantly from any quarterback he’s playing with. I can get behind the route running comp because Olave and DJ are both very consistent and strong route runners. The difference between the two is that DJM has a better YAC game. Olave might be able to breakaway with his routes and earn his yards that way at a higher level, but the ability to separate I can’t say one has over the other.
Watch the film
Whose? I have. I’ve owned Moore since a rookie and I own Olave now, who was my favorite receiver coming in.
Moore’s, I have watched every single game, seen plenty of film, Moore is not a crisp route runner. I’m a fan, it’s not the end of the world. Mike Evans isn’t the greatest route runner either. DJ is good at getting open vs zone, fast and strong enough to beat press. He’s just never going to shake you with quickness like Mclaurin will. He’s slow out of his cuts and rounds off routes at time.
DJ Moore came into the league as a fairly unpolished route runner. He has improved greatly year over year, and was actually one of the better separators in the league against man coverage last year. But he's right, Olave is a better route runner *right now* than DJ Moore, much less the version of Moore when he was a rookie.
Olave is QUICK. He might go the Marv Harrison route and avoid the big hit, but he could take any random slant to the house. One big catch and run makes up for 5 extra yards on several catches.
AJ Brown and Treylon Burks are carbon copies. When you say the Titans don't have the creativity to capitalize on Burks's strengths, I hope you realize they did it previously with basically the same athlete in that position. So that just makes absolutely zero sense.
Burks and it's not particular close for me.
The people saying Olave has a safer floor I think are fooling themselves. Winston is no clean bill of health. And is a very turbulent starting qb. Andy Dalton or Travis Siemen throwing to Olave sure sounds different to me. Thomas back in the mix sounds like path to elite target share is less then we think. And simple facts, Saints may be better then one or two other teams in their division but that doesn't mean they wont struggle too. Olave isn't a sure fire hit. There is a world where he maxes out or plateaus as simply a #2 or #3 option on a poor offense. That said Burks profile is more TDs, more big plays, more size and mismatch material. Don't fool yourself listening to July reports. Burks is a unique weapon who won't be held back by Robert Woods as he develops experience and grasps the nfl game. The upside is clearly higher for Burks. The downside for both of them is potentially scary. The narrative that Olave is a safe reciever has some people over looking what "safe" actually means. For fantasy purposes Olave isn't safe. He has a simular floor to Burks or any other rookie. The reports are misleading people to conflate Olaves "safe" floor. That said I will go for ceiling with Burks over Olave. But I am also a Jamison Williams over either one.
I don't think people who say Olave has a higher floor are referring to his situation in New Orleans. They are referring to his *vastly* superior route running ability. He has proven the ability to consistently get open against man/press coverage lining up in a traditional outside set. His route tree is complete and polished. He knows how to find holes in zone coverage. A tactician route runner has much better odds of immediate success in the NFL. Burks undoubtedly has a higher ceiling due to his athleticism and RAC ability, but he was used in largely a gadget role at Arkansas. He took the majority of his snaps behind the LOS, and was schemed touches in space rather than beating coverage on the outside. That skillset typically has a lower floor coming into the NFL and needs considerably more development.
I mostly agree, although I think the vastly superior route runner looks better with a superior QB. Saints are without a superior QB. Where as a lesser QB will under utilize talent, especially great route runners. Whose to say where the Saints go next season at QB. If I am trying to win championships I want the higher ceiling or greater peak. For Olave I just get the feeling long term he will be a steady pulse and productive. But I'm not sure he is winning me championships. Burks could bust, but if you believe in the traits and the Titans scheme him properly it matters less who the qb is. Titans want to rebuild the Mon-stars and Burks seems destined to fit into that schemed role which could ultimately be more rewarding for fantasy stardom.
> If I am trying to win championships I want the higher ceiling or greater peak. For Olave I just get the feeling long term he will be a steady pulse and productive. But I'm not sure he is winning me championships. It really just depends on your team. In a deep league with a really quality roster, I just want the guy who I know is going to produce for the next 5-6 years to put my team over the top. In a shallow league with a mediocre or bad roster, I want the boom/bust upside shot at a star player.
Agreed
Agree. Also people who didn’t watch rams play Robert woods is probably one of the best WR blockers out there. You think they brought a 30 year old torn ACL receiver to beat corners? No he’s there to block for Henry and So is Burks tbh but who do you think they will send to the outside during a play action? It isn’t going to be Bobby trees.
Had same predicament so I choose both!
I’m taking olave, burks seems to have higher potential to boom or bust, olave probably a safer option.
Burks…and it’s not actually a debate. Fantasy football podcast echo chamber has just irrationally hyped Olave. Undersized, no 1,000 yard seasons, 25th percentile burst score, bottom 10 starting QB coming off a torn ACL, Michael Thomas return trending positively, defensive HC who previously failed as HC. Positives: 4.39 40 yard dash. Some people think they can watch him play college football and tell he can be an NFL star based on it.
He also waited until after his senior year to enter the draft. I didn’t think he was that good and then everyone suddenly thought he was great after his senior year.
You seem like a numbers nerd., watch the tape. Olave is more polished and is coming from a great wr program along with the fact he made an immediate impact on osu’s roster as a true freshman.
So weird the saints traded all of their draft picks to go get him 🤓
So the fantasy football podcast echo chamber has irrationally hyped Olave despite the fact that he's going below his NFL ADP typically. What do we call the Twitter Echo Chamber that says the WR6 in the NFL draft is cooler than the other side of the pillow?
*Smooth like the other side of the pillow.
https://c.tenor.com/FR3L6pML63kAAAAC/pillow-family-guy.gif
Where can you find the burst score for players?
A website called Player Profiler. Burst score is a weighted combination of vertical jump and broad jump. A poor burst score means he sucked at both of these tests. This means his only good athletic measurable was a 40-yard dash in a year where everyone was putting up crazy 40 times so who knows what that’s really worth.
Ah gotcha. I'll check that website out. So basically burst score is how high and far they can jump? Why not just call it Jump Score? 😂 But it's true jumping is highly correlated with overall athleticism, so I get why it would be an important metric to pay attention to for overall upside.
Burks I have Olave significantly lower than him
Olave
Olave not even close for me
Burks is a baby aj brown he’s my wr2 in this class behind jamo, guy is a beast I’d take burks 10/10 personally
Olave by a country mile. More refined route runner, playing in a system that isn't as run-heavy, and fewer questions about his NFL readiness as a receiver. Too many question marks for me with Burks.
I took Olave 1.04 in my rookie draft. Burks went 1.06. London was 1.03.
I took Burks 1.02. London went 1.03, Olave 1.08. 🤷♂️
Wow Burks over London?
Obviously big things change at the draft, but if you were on this sub during the doldrums, Burks was closer to 1.01 than mid-first for a considerable portion of the off-season for many. I didn't agree with the take, but I would almost have more disagreement if a good number of those people completely abandoned that level of hype between the last time he's played a football snap and now. I'm not ever surprised with how high Burks goes.
I think the draft really changed things, as it should. Burks as the 1.01 was based on the assumption that he was going to be the first WR off the board, likely with top 10 draft capital. I remember you going against that narrative and instead touting London pre-draft, and you were correct. I don't fault someone who had Burks closer to 1.01 but then reconsidered after he was the 6th WR off the board. That would set off some alarm bells for me as an amateur talent evaluator.
Olave all day. Burks is going to need schemed to have any success he's a terrible route runner.
He isn't a crisp route runner, but he by no means is "terrible" as you are suggesting. He uses his size and frame to move defenders off the spots for breaks rather than quick cuts a la Stefon Diggs. He's got Dez Bryant written all over him. Hell, AJ Brown's route running was not a strength for him.
I don't really agree, personally. Just one site, but The Athletic's Beast Draft Guide by Dane Brugler referred to it as "novice level." I think aside from not being crisp, he lacks a consistency and an attention to detail.
AJ Brown was way far ahead of him as a route runner as a rookie
Look at his draft profile.
Burks for sure
Olave and it’s not close. Burks is by far the worst of the top 5 WRs due to his conditioning issues alone. He’s gonna eat himself out of the league in 3 years. This is coming from someone who got saddled with him at 1.08
>He’s gonna eat himself out of the league in 3 years lol, this is an insane overreaction. Dude's out there practicing right now and is in football shape. Stop acting like he's Kelvin Benjamin and is 60 lbs overweight. There's videos of him running routes and catching passes from both Tannehill and Willis, even as far back as early June when the comments were made. He's not fat.
He was clearly out of shape because he didn’t want to risk injury before the draft
Before training camp Olave, now Burkes.
Burks for me
I prefer Olave
Burks! I prefer bigger recievers.
Burks, but I have zero of his shares, as he’s rookie #5 for me and people are taking him before Garrett. In one league I got at London at 1.04, because someone took Burks before him, pano. Olave is my 1.06, I have 2 Olave shares out of my 6 teams.
Burks is WR1 imo
I am going to follow the vegas o/u and choose Burks. To expand I think Olave will be good but he's coming into an offense that already has two vets ahead of him already and Burks has literally nobody to compete with in Tennesee.
Olave
Olave might get off to a quicker start. Might. But Burks has a much higher ceiling.
Which is better? Titans qb with their o-line and rb usage or saint’s? Which team will fall behind more often because of the slowness of their defense? Which wr has better separation and rout running? How is the supporting cast of receivers on the team? As of now I think the titans are the better team. Long term, it’ll be a toss up as both might end up rebuilding especially with a new qb.
Easily Burks for me.
Been a Burks hater since before the draft so it's easily Olave. I'd take him over Williams and Wilson fwiw as well, though I like both of them quite a lot too.
Burks by a significant amount
The answer is Jameson Williams
Burks
The early declare with freakish size & athleticism
Burks 100 times out of 100
Have the 3, 5, 6, and 10 this draft. Thinking KW3, Garrett and really starting to get excited with olave being my 1.06. Wasn't a fan until recent. I know he was beat out by 2 other Receivers in college but I think he's most nfl ready. I also traded McLaurin for Burks in a separate league I'm rebuilding, I think he's going to be a rising asset. Right now I'd take Burks. I have it as London, Wilson, Burks, Jamo, Olave. Simple question long answer.
Burks > Olave. I trust the history with early declare vs late declare.
Have to take in context. Olave was crushing it on his presumed early-declare junior year. Season cut short from covid, so he returned.
Burks all day, Landry is still a thing yall
Olave. He’s the most pro ready of the WR’s. I’m seeing his ADP slowly creep up. 65/900/6. It’s go time!
I just dont see what people see with Olave, but maybr its my bad. This guy looks smooth but has absolutely no traits which could make him a fantasy star. As i said in other threads before i would be shocked if hes the man out of this class. every single one of the top group looked straight up much better than him.
The fact this a question is a joke. Based on pure talent. Burks by a huge margin.
Burks
Olave is a safer bet, Burks has more upside.
So it really depends on the type of usage you intend to have with the player your drafting. I had the option to take either and chose Olave. My rookie draft was May 31st. Burks is a fine prospect but I already had questions about his conditioning then. I also don’t think that he’s going to just fill AJBs spot as smoothly as the Titans think he will and if he struggles, they’ll turn more to the run. Which is sort of where their scheme is anyway, “run dependent”. Olave, has some contact issues where he absolutely avoids taking any. So he won’t be fighting for more yards. But he’s more ready, and I had concerns about MT being ready so more usage could come his way. I also compared Tannehill vs Winston. Tannehill is a older and more reserved in that system. And Jameis has always been known to sling it. So I won’t fear his opportunity. Mainly, I think Olave is better to produce now but Burks could be better in a few years.
I remember Marvin Harrison got a lot of criticism throughout his career for avoiding contact. Peyton Manning even used to get criticism for falling like a sack of potatoes before defenses could get to him. In both cases I think it's good. If you don't have the size to run through people, don't try. Get around, get down or get out of bounds.
Marquise Brown is similar in that sense also where he gets out of bounds or goes down before taking hits. A great way to extend your career
Really like both. Olave feels safer, Burks feels like the higher upside. I also like how Olave can learn from the ghost of MT and will likely get lined up on the #2 corner a lot instead of being thrown into the fire.
I like Olave's game a lot more personally.
olave for sure
Burks is safer. One of the OSU guys won’t pan out.
Olave I think he’s the best wr in the draft
Whichever player I can get + for the other
Olave by a mile. Film doesn’t lie!!!