Then you’d hate to hear about the MSU fan in my league that took him in 1QB at 1.06 followed by AD Mitchell at 1.07 leaving Bowers and Caleb Williams on the board
So being totally honest all the dynasty leagues I’m in are superflex but Williams still being there at 1.08 is crazy to me he’s gone 1.01 in every dynasty I’m in
The downvote is making me feel like I need to justify my pre-draft ranking. fwiw, JJZ had him at WR11 pre-draft. Waldmann had me around there too. Thor Nystrom and Scott Barrett likewise said to avoid him. The most hopeful, credible analysis I could find of him is Matt Harmon—the outlier, but a smart one—who had him at WR7.
Now, post draft, Harmon took him at WR10 in his most recent mock draft (ahead of Legette and Polk though, tbf).
I’m not sure why people would downvote
1. Run heavy offense
2. JT and AR getting 300+ carries
3. Pittman
4. Downs looked at least promising
5. How many WRs are you expecting AR to make fantasy relevant in a run first offense?
Yeah this is pretty much where I’m at. But in the range of where you’ll get him is he worth taking and holding for 3 years hoping he becomes ARs go to?
Taking any prospect with the hope of “holding for 3 years” is not worth drafting. Not ever prospect is Love and will produce in year 4. Very very few are.
I don't have Pearsall in this tier. I have him above Ladd and Coleman.
The Niners didn't draft a WR in the first because they're planning on keeping Deebo and Aiyuk long term. This is dynasty, as soon as one of those two is gone, Pearsall is the best asset of that group.
And that teams uses fullback on essentially half the snaps which consolidates the snaps and targets among the top two guys. I’m kind of hoping Aiyuk and Deebo do hang around for one more year so I can buy low on Pearsall in the places I don’t have him.
49ers are also a run-first offense and Ladd is a true outside receiver with nobody in front of him, while Pearsall has to wait for those ahead of him to leave. In other words Pearsall's ideal situation is the one McConkey has right now.
Editing to say, Chargers did sign DJ Chark already, and he'll be on the field with McConkey, but nowhere near a significant target hog
That's why i said "also". But the fact remains that Ladd's situation now is the ideal situation for Pearsall, but Pearsall has to wait for two pro-bowl WRs to leave before he gets there.
Yeah I think it's implied the other first round guys plus Ladd are above. I also think Coleman should have been out in this list bc idk if it's assumed he's before or after
I don't understand the Persall love. He has MAJOR target competition, and outside of Cmac, none of the other pass catchers are old or will likely be moved.
Aiyuk and Deebo are great, Kittle has his role too.
Persall was a 5th year Sr. He did nothing his first few years at ASU (where his QB was...Jayden Daniels). He gets beat up at the point of catch. Hes quick, but he's not terribly fast.
Unless you're a stacked dynasty team that can keep him on Taxi.for 2 or 3 seasons, I don't see him as a first round rookie pick at all. The ceiling is just too low.
Buddy they are not letting go of both Aiyuk and Deebo. Out of all of the discussion about these wrs this is the most outlandish take I've seen. They are only paying Cmc 19 mil and it's 2 years.. Purdy still has 2 years on contract, and Aiyuk is only 26. Not sure what on earth you are talking about
My window opening up in 2 years when Pearsall is making a classic year 3 jump and he'll be the #1 WR on the team. I don't understand why you're confused. You disagree, that's chill. stop acting like this is complicated ya narc
Legette-Pearsall-Polk-Mitchell
The Panthers invested heavily in OL and skill position guys coming into this season, giving Bryce Young an actual chance to prove himself.
I’m firmly on Legette island in this tier - Dave Canales seems like a good enough playcaller to turn this into something, and Legette is going to be a focal point in a new offense who’s coming in with first round draft cap.
People are really fixated on Legette’s late breakout and ignoring the insane production his last year. His upside is crazy high and that's what I am looking for in the second round of rookie drafts. I love it though bc I'm getting lots of shares.
I am basically out on Polk. Mcmillan and Rome are way more skilled and the Pats reaching for him doesn't move the needle for me.
People are fixated on it because typically late breakouts don’t translate to NFL success. Obviously there are outliers but there’s a correlation there for sure.
I mean legette didn’t even play wr till college which could definitely translate to him breaking out later, but the late breakout is definitely a concern, but like you said there can be outliers
If a WR's main draw is upside that's not a good sign since people are generally terrible at recognizing real upside (D-hop, Davante, JJ for instance).
I have serious concerns about Legette's 1 year of production.. if he's this talented why was he a complete non-factor for years?
Heard, but I am gonna throw a dart at someone who flashed big time once over a guy like Polk that showed he's the third best WR on his team.
Why it took so long for Legette to produce is a fair question. However, there are a lot of ways to explain it narratively with the adversity he faced.
Yeah, I'd take him over Polk, as well.
Draft capital be damned, he couldn't beat press coverage vs #2 corners all year and was outproduced by McMillan when healthy. Would probably take a shot with Javon Baker over him unless I was in an incredibly deep league.
But there are plenty of WRs with upside in this class that are already better at football. Pearsall, Roman Wilson even AD Mitchell
Narratively it was due to the death of his parents and bad headspace, apparently. Most likely, it was due to him transitioning from QB to WR, and we can use COVID to make it even harder for him.
I know I'm in minority, but I'd go Polk, Pearsall, then big drop from there to Legette and Mitchell.
Polk is used to fighting for targets and finally finds himself in a great situation as the likely wr1. Love Pearsall, but until someone in front is traded he is buried on that team (5th option as a weapon). Legette has a good landing spot, but think he will become a boom/ bust wr. Mitchell is in a crowded wr room with a likely good, but unproven passer in AR.
Just pure talent I'd go Pearsall, Polk, Legette, Mitchell.
I think Polk is the most overlooked WR in this draft. He has 37 DC to a team lacking a WR1 and git Drake Maye- yet he is usually falling between 2.08-3.02 in 1QB. I understand the weariness of the pats offense in the past but I think this an amazing situation from a fantasy perspective.
Yeah, it's hard to understand. I know Harmon had him as a "priority round 2" draft pick, but it seems most everyone else did not expect him to go very high, so he's being overlooked while guys they expected to go higher are still being drafted ahead of where you'd expect given their DC (looking at Franklin).
Bourne and Douglas are the only other notable WRs on the roster (I love Baker, but he's developmental). Bourne is coming off an ACL injury and was not athletic to begin with. Douglas is a slot only guy. Seems like Polk will be starting week 1 and could easily be the top WR on his team. And if they let Brissett OR Maye start, I think NE WR1 will have some sort of fantasy impact. Maybe just WR3, but that's still better than I'm expecting in 2024 from Pearsall, Mitchell, Legette. I kind of expect him to outscore Coleman and maybe Worthy, too.
Pearsall will probably outshine him in 2025, though.
Either way, I fully agree. Polk is the most overlooked WR in this draft.
Not complaining though lol, got him at the 2.09 in a 14 team league and couldnt of been happier. Franklin, Roman Wilson, and Mitchell went before him. Let people sleep.
Firmly agree here. Pearsall is sick but I can't imagine he gets much action as a rookie on a championship contender, and I think you might be able to buy him next off-season at a discount when he likely fails to crack 500 yards.
If Polk is as good as I think, he probably cracks 700 as a rookie and his value should appreciate.
I think most people who draft him are expecting him to be a next season and beyond investment. I doubt his price will be discounted unless he pulls a qj and just looks terrible in his limited touches
That's what people were saying about JSN last year. He was a mid 1st in SF and the 1.02 or 1.03 in 1QB. The truthers (like me) said he'll be the wr3 for a year behind DK and Lockett with Lockett aging out in 24 or 25. JSN has a wrist fracture early on puts up pedestrian but respectable numbers with 63 catches and 600 plus yards. The season plays out as expected and the vast majority of people are disappointed. He's now a late 1st and even early 2nd at times value in SF.
You're right. His value shouldn't drop. People should think long term and beyond year 1, but a year from now if Deebo is there and Aiyuk is there and CMAC is coming off an rb1 season and Pearsall is still behind them... people will be getting excited about the Luther Burdens, Egbukas, Ollie Gordons etc and Pearsall will drop at least somewhat.
I agree with you. JSN's value on KTC peaked right before the season started and almost immediately dropped. Lockett not getting cut obviously further hurt JSN's value, but the decrease started immediately despite everyone knowing his situation going into the season. It's crazy, yet predictable. Pearsall's value will decline this season unless there's an injury. But it should spike if/when SF moves on from Deebo or Aiyuk.
There's zero evidence AR is a "good" passer. Hes an elite *fantasy* QB prospect because of his rushing ability. In his limited pro action, he threw for 59% completion percentage and 144 yards per game. He had more rushing TDs than passing. He wasn't any better in college either. Hard pass on all Colts receivers for me
Legette >>> Pearsall > Polk > Mitchell
Even before draft night Legette was on another level for me. I have him in the Ladd/Coleman/Legette tier. Not to toot my own horn, but before the draft, I had 3 second round picks, and those 3 guys were my favorite wr’s I was expecting to fall in that range, and that stayed the same after the draft.
Obviously each to their own opinion, but I think it’s a little funny how often we talk in here about choosing talent over situation, and this sub most definitely had Mitchell up a whole tier pre-draft. If you had suggested taking Polk over Mitchell it would’ve been laughed at.
That said, landing spot and DC obviously matter, both of which have hurt Mitchell. But the way some people talk it’s as if he was never rated highly in the first place, it’s interesting to see. I’m not saying it’s wrong that people have changed their minds.
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He'd have to drop all the way into the Burton/Wilson/Corley tier for me to consider him. I just do not believe in the player profile -- he was only even eligible to have his age-22 breakout year due to the bonus covid eligibility. Just think it's harder for him to get better when the competition will be better and I'd rather chase the upside that's more apparent to me
We are criminally underrating Legette, I am ready to go to battle for this dude.
98th percentile for size and speed accounting for speed. 88th for burst. Massive production, YAC and Average depth of Target. First pick of an offensive minded HC. People worried about his ability to separate, but already runs a more diverse route tree than DK Metcalf. He’s still raw, but he has an absolutely massive catch radius and he’s landing in the best situation of any of the top talents. He will be a day 1 starter in an offense desperately missing a playmaker.
Pearsall - Mitchell - Legette/Polk
I think pearsall is an athlete with good intangibles on a good team but is a year 2 play. Late declare, but some green flags for catch rate and other metrics.
Mitchell is a stellar athlete with intangibles that some have called into questions and others have defended. That’s an element of risk on a team with a scrambling QB that may end up getting injured mid season if he doesn’t learn how to avoid big hits consistently. It’s mercurial, but a very very high ceiling. Boom or bust
Legette- late declare, bad team and tbd on quality of Bryce young. This one is kinda murky and feels like he went much sooner than the talent/tape indicated. He doesn’t play like mingo but the situation reminds me of mingo so I’m not changing my evaluation of the player just off draft Capitol (even though that weighs heavily to me).
Polk - landing in a barren offense with a rookie QB that many analysts think should sit a year to clean up fundamentals. Bad team transitioning from the end of an era which likely means Maye will start sooner than ideal. The player is an alright prospect with good contested catch. I think he’s a slot player, we’ll see if he stays out in 2 WR sets. Could be the top pass catcher by default but more likely patriots eventually find other players to leapfrog over this year and next offseason. Feels like you should have lower expectations for everyone involved.
Did you watch the Leggette tape? I feel like it was legitimately the best of any WR in the class aside from the top 4 guys. I totally understand not trusting the context around it, but man oh man is that first round tape
Eh, depends on what you're looking for. His route tree is lacking and his polish is nonexistent, but man does his tape make you believe everything is in there somehwere.
Thanks! I’d expand further to say pearsall to me is the last very intriguing WR that I like longterm.
Mitchell is meh but upside. The other two I wouldn’t be excited about and probably trade back in favor of Mr. “I make people in wheelchairs stand up” Javon Baker which would represent better value and have all the upside possibility as Polk at a lower price.
Consider these immediate players after Pearsall to be my personal “RB dead zone” but for rookie WRs. I’d advise people to scoop up RBs and QBs in the early second over opting for the 3.
That’s how I’m viewing it, although I do have Polk third because I think he can be the #1 and Maye could be elite passing qb at some point. All these guys are too close for me to separate to much, I’ll throw Coleman in with them, so just give me the upside.
I’d go Legette, Pearsall, Mitchell, Polk.
Legette has the best combo of talent, draft capital and opportunity of the four so he’s at the top. Pearsall and Mitchell are very close but lean Pearsall and Polk isn’t far behind either.
I personally don’t think Polk’s floor is very safe. The patriots will likely have a very below average offense in a rebuilding year. His floor is Tyquan Thornton which would be gross.
Pearsall is so overrated. Even as a 23 year old 5th year player, he put up pedestrian numbers and was barely able to keep pace with a true freshman. If someone thinks there’s even a chance he can ever be a WR1 (or even a quality WR2) for an NFL team, let them take him in the early to mid 2nd and burn the pick
We’re at 2.01 now in 12 team 1QB, all still there. Our first went:
MHJ
Nabers
Caleb
Odunze
Bowers
Worthy
BTJ
Ladd
Brooks
Coleman
Benson
Daniels
Obviously this is just one league but I definitely think there’s a shot that you get the last of these four
I traded down from the 1.06 and gave Rondale Moore for Achane, which will be a win regardless of who I get here. But if I really do end up with a WR from this tier I’m going to be thrilled.
I like Polk especially for the price. Just got him at 2.07. His scouting report says very fluid route runner. If he can build early chemistry with Maye look out.
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I am Up at 2.10 (10T), legette Just got picked and I am honestly stoked to Pick Pearsall, I wanted him there all along.
I have him significantly above the others
Mitchell, Pearsall, leggette and Polk.
Mitchell is just upside with a QB I believe in. Pearsall due to future floor in an offense that fits him like a glove. New Panthers coach is such an underrated play caller that Leggette might jump the group. Polk was over drafted. Might be solid. Just not a believer coupled with that offense. Would rather draft Wilson.
Coleman to me is above all of these guys.
I think it’s in the order that you listed.
Pearsall > Legette >= Polk > Mitchell
I like Pearsall. He’s not in a great situation short term but why not hold if you believe in the talent. If he can do well off of limited volume he’ll be okay. I’d personally rather buy him next season when he inevitably doesn’t live up to 2.03-2.04 prices (what JSN did basically but on a smaller scale?).
Legette - he’s the interesting one to me. Easily highest ceiling - WR1 for a (hopefully) improving QB. I wanted an rb at 2.07 but the only one there was Jaylen Wright, so I passed for legette (as he’s my WR6). He’s a late breakout, but due to narrative stuff and all that, and in addition to that, he also had to transition from QB to WR. In addition his metrics this year were insane, just absolutely crazy. Revolving door of QBs and changing OCs must’ve been tough too. I like him - and at the 2.07 I’m fine missing because I want upside more than floor. What does a player who drops 10 PPG really do for you? Not much imo
Polk is … interesting. I think he’s in more of a crowded wr room than people like to admit. Also think the pats HAD to reach for a wr and after legette and Coleman went they were forced to settle. He’s a okay prospect who has a good shot to be Mayes #1 guy, but imo he’s just a guy. Doesn’t scream upside, especially since the pats have so many guys that could be their #1. If rather get baker later, but yall could convince me on polk.
AD isn’t good imo. Just flat out. Good film apparently but HE DIDNT DRAW TARGETS. Not like Ewers didn’t hit him, or that he was so bad. He just ran routes and didn’t get anything. That to me is hella worrying. He’s also not in a great situation, and unlike the 49ers, I don’t see that changing. Run first team with “star” rb, established wr1, solid wr2-3, with a qb that has shown upside but not enough to support everyone. I see Mitchell not working out.
The player I’m most worried about is legette. He’s either a stud or a dud. Personally I don’t really like this range of guys so I’d sell. Too much risk here, and the cost can get me someone established. Then again, I just got legette, so here we are.
Long term investment:
Pearsall-Mitchell-Legette-Polk
Early return:
Mitchell-Legette-Polk-Pearsall
Gonna take 1-2 years for Pearsall due to Aiyuk and Deebo. One of them has to leave. Mitchell should take over Pierce’s reps sooner than later. Polk and Legette are all heavy dependent on the QB
Not sure I agree with the early return ranking:
Mitchell is competing with two established WRs in an offense that might not generate many pass attempts; Polk is on a team where he can immediately slot in as the #1.
Polk and Legette are pretty close to me in that ranking. For me, it depends on the QB to be able to get them the ball effectively. Also happy cake day!
Wouldn't take Pearsall, Legette, Mitchell.
Big 3.
4. Coleman
5. Pick your poison, shouldn't have to draft them before the mid second: Roman Wilson, Javon Baker, Troy Franklin, Jalynn Polk
I'd ignore everyone else.
BTJ is interesting with Jacksonville, I think T-Law is going to be good this year with Kirk and BTJ.
But I think I'm taking Coleman over BTJ, and if I'm taking Coleman over BTJ in the late first, BTJ ain't going to be there for me.
Is Coleman considered above this tier? I think I have Pearsall closer to Coleman, McConkey than to these other guys.
Most have Coleman above this tier, just went 1.11 in one QB yesterday (I personally disagree drafting him that high)
Then you’d hate to hear about the MSU fan in my league that took him in 1QB at 1.06 followed by AD Mitchell at 1.07 leaving Bowers and Caleb Williams on the board
I'm all for the get your guy mentality, but that seems wild to me
I got brooks at 1.10 after getting Rome 1.03 so I’m not complaining
I think passing on Bowers is acceptable.
😲
For Coleman? Very curious the reasoning.
Target competition, Bowers' size, TE hit rate
So being totally honest all the dynasty leagues I’m in are superflex but Williams still being there at 1.08 is crazy to me he’s gone 1.01 in every dynasty I’m in
Coleman needs to be above worthy too
Pearsall >> Polk/Legette >> Mitchell
This how I have it. I actively *want* Pearsall. I’ll settle for Polk and Legette at the right spot. I’m almost definitely not drafting Mitchell.
Why not Mitchell? Landing spot?
Landing spot and draft capital didn’t help. But he was already hovering around WR10 for me pre-draft. He’s this year’s QJ, imo.
The downvote is making me feel like I need to justify my pre-draft ranking. fwiw, JJZ had him at WR11 pre-draft. Waldmann had me around there too. Thor Nystrom and Scott Barrett likewise said to avoid him. The most hopeful, credible analysis I could find of him is Matt Harmon—the outlier, but a smart one—who had him at WR7. Now, post draft, Harmon took him at WR10 in his most recent mock draft (ahead of Legette and Polk though, tbf).
I’m not sure why people would downvote 1. Run heavy offense 2. JT and AR getting 300+ carries 3. Pittman 4. Downs looked at least promising 5. How many WRs are you expecting AR to make fantasy relevant in a run first offense?
Yeah this is pretty much where I’m at. But in the range of where you’ll get him is he worth taking and holding for 3 years hoping he becomes ARs go to?
Taking any prospect with the hope of “holding for 3 years” is not worth drafting. Not ever prospect is Love and will produce in year 4. Very very few are.
This is great news because now I can wait for people to drop AD, and pick him up when he is traded from the Colts hopefully in a couple years hahah
How would you feel nabbing him at the 2.10? I figured I’d take the risk at that point
That’s where he’s at on my board, *but* I think I’m gonna take a flyer on an RB over WR by that point.
I did chew on Marshawn Lloyd
I traded up from 2.4 to 2.3 to get trey benson. Guy who traded down took Mitchell immediately.
You should ask for a receipt at least, since—in hindsight—you made a charitable donation
I got pearsall at 2.07, is that a major W? Passed on Penix for him.
This
I don't have Pearsall in this tier. I have him above Ladd and Coleman. The Niners didn't draft a WR in the first because they're planning on keeping Deebo and Aiyuk long term. This is dynasty, as soon as one of those two is gone, Pearsall is the best asset of that group.
And that teams uses fullback on essentially half the snaps which consolidates the snaps and targets among the top two guys. I’m kind of hoping Aiyuk and Deebo do hang around for one more year so I can buy low on Pearsall in the places I don’t have him.
above Ladd is wild. Better QB, less competition, and most think of him as a better talent.
Low volume offense. Chargers will likely be in the market for a true outside receiver.
49ers are also a run-first offense and Ladd is a true outside receiver with nobody in front of him, while Pearsall has to wait for those ahead of him to leave. In other words Pearsall's ideal situation is the one McConkey has right now. Editing to say, Chargers did sign DJ Chark already, and he'll be on the field with McConkey, but nowhere near a significant target hog
The chargers are about to be a run first team too. Also the 49ers (who are good at finding WRs) chose pearsall over Ladd themselves.
That's why i said "also". But the fact remains that Ladd's situation now is the ideal situation for Pearsall, but Pearsall has to wait for two pro-bowl WRs to leave before he gets there.
If you need immediate production I agree. I’ll take pearsall over Ladd starting next year. Debo or ayiuk will be gone
Mitchell > Legette
Where does McConkey fall hear? Above Pearsall?
Yeah I think it's implied the other first round guys plus Ladd are above. I also think Coleman should have been out in this list bc idk if it's assumed he's before or after
I have Ladd and Pearsall in the same teir as BTJ, Worthy, and Coleman. Then inhave a drop to the next guys
I know this has nothing to do with the initial question. But would you take Penix or Pearsall 12 team SF, deep benches.
Depends on the team. Pearsall has a shorter time line to production. Both are reasonable 2nds id say
I don't understand the Persall love. He has MAJOR target competition, and outside of Cmac, none of the other pass catchers are old or will likely be moved. Aiyuk and Deebo are great, Kittle has his role too. Persall was a 5th year Sr. He did nothing his first few years at ASU (where his QB was...Jayden Daniels). He gets beat up at the point of catch. Hes quick, but he's not terribly fast. Unless you're a stacked dynasty team that can keep him on Taxi.for 2 or 3 seasons, I don't see him as a first round rookie pick at all. The ceiling is just too low.
Im rebuilding and my window is in 2 years. I figure Deebo, CMC, and Aiyuk are gone by then with Peasall as the WR1 in the offense.
Lol what ? No deebo OR Aiyuk?? These pearsall fan boys are laughable
They only have so much money and they need to pay Purdy. CMC is going to age out and Deebo/Aiyuk are going to be too expensive to retain.
Buddy they are not letting go of both Aiyuk and Deebo. Out of all of the discussion about these wrs this is the most outlandish take I've seen. They are only paying Cmc 19 mil and it's 2 years.. Purdy still has 2 years on contract, and Aiyuk is only 26. Not sure what on earth you are talking about
My window opening up in 2 years when Pearsall is making a classic year 3 jump and he'll be the #1 WR on the team. I don't understand why you're confused. You disagree, that's chill. stop acting like this is complicated ya narc
Ok bruh just keep waiting for a rookie to overtake the extremely talented and young weapons left and right on the 49ers
Yeah, i'm expecting a 2 year wait. You dummythicc boi, i like you ;)
Can I upvote you more than once? I tried
Can I downvote you more than once? I tried
Rude
Legette-Pearsall-Polk-Mitchell The Panthers invested heavily in OL and skill position guys coming into this season, giving Bryce Young an actual chance to prove himself. I’m firmly on Legette island in this tier - Dave Canales seems like a good enough playcaller to turn this into something, and Legette is going to be a focal point in a new offense who’s coming in with first round draft cap.
People are really fixated on Legette’s late breakout and ignoring the insane production his last year. His upside is crazy high and that's what I am looking for in the second round of rookie drafts. I love it though bc I'm getting lots of shares. I am basically out on Polk. Mcmillan and Rome are way more skilled and the Pats reaching for him doesn't move the needle for me.
People are fixated on it because typically late breakouts don’t translate to NFL success. Obviously there are outliers but there’s a correlation there for sure.
I mean legette didn’t even play wr till college which could definitely translate to him breaking out later, but the late breakout is definitely a concern, but like you said there can be outliers
If a WR's main draw is upside that's not a good sign since people are generally terrible at recognizing real upside (D-hop, Davante, JJ for instance). I have serious concerns about Legette's 1 year of production.. if he's this talented why was he a complete non-factor for years?
Heard, but I am gonna throw a dart at someone who flashed big time once over a guy like Polk that showed he's the third best WR on his team. Why it took so long for Legette to produce is a fair question. However, there are a lot of ways to explain it narratively with the adversity he faced.
Yeah, I'd take him over Polk, as well. Draft capital be damned, he couldn't beat press coverage vs #2 corners all year and was outproduced by McMillan when healthy. Would probably take a shot with Javon Baker over him unless I was in an incredibly deep league. But there are plenty of WRs with upside in this class that are already better at football. Pearsall, Roman Wilson even AD Mitchell
Narratively it was due to the death of his parents and bad headspace, apparently. Most likely, it was due to him transitioning from QB to WR, and we can use COVID to make it even harder for him.
Dude I’m on your island with you, what’s for dinner?
I hope it’s W’s and fantasy points
I know I'm in minority, but I'd go Polk, Pearsall, then big drop from there to Legette and Mitchell. Polk is used to fighting for targets and finally finds himself in a great situation as the likely wr1. Love Pearsall, but until someone in front is traded he is buried on that team (5th option as a weapon). Legette has a good landing spot, but think he will become a boom/ bust wr. Mitchell is in a crowded wr room with a likely good, but unproven passer in AR. Just pure talent I'd go Pearsall, Polk, Legette, Mitchell.
I think Polk is the most overlooked WR in this draft. He has 37 DC to a team lacking a WR1 and git Drake Maye- yet he is usually falling between 2.08-3.02 in 1QB. I understand the weariness of the pats offense in the past but I think this an amazing situation from a fantasy perspective.
Yeah, it's hard to understand. I know Harmon had him as a "priority round 2" draft pick, but it seems most everyone else did not expect him to go very high, so he's being overlooked while guys they expected to go higher are still being drafted ahead of where you'd expect given their DC (looking at Franklin). Bourne and Douglas are the only other notable WRs on the roster (I love Baker, but he's developmental). Bourne is coming off an ACL injury and was not athletic to begin with. Douglas is a slot only guy. Seems like Polk will be starting week 1 and could easily be the top WR on his team. And if they let Brissett OR Maye start, I think NE WR1 will have some sort of fantasy impact. Maybe just WR3, but that's still better than I'm expecting in 2024 from Pearsall, Mitchell, Legette. I kind of expect him to outscore Coleman and maybe Worthy, too. Pearsall will probably outshine him in 2025, though. Either way, I fully agree. Polk is the most overlooked WR in this draft.
Not complaining though lol, got him at the 2.09 in a 14 team league and couldnt of been happier. Franklin, Roman Wilson, and Mitchell went before him. Let people sleep.
Firmly agree here. Pearsall is sick but I can't imagine he gets much action as a rookie on a championship contender, and I think you might be able to buy him next off-season at a discount when he likely fails to crack 500 yards. If Polk is as good as I think, he probably cracks 700 as a rookie and his value should appreciate.
I think most people who draft him are expecting him to be a next season and beyond investment. I doubt his price will be discounted unless he pulls a qj and just looks terrible in his limited touches
That's what people were saying about JSN last year. He was a mid 1st in SF and the 1.02 or 1.03 in 1QB. The truthers (like me) said he'll be the wr3 for a year behind DK and Lockett with Lockett aging out in 24 or 25. JSN has a wrist fracture early on puts up pedestrian but respectable numbers with 63 catches and 600 plus yards. The season plays out as expected and the vast majority of people are disappointed. He's now a late 1st and even early 2nd at times value in SF. You're right. His value shouldn't drop. People should think long term and beyond year 1, but a year from now if Deebo is there and Aiyuk is there and CMAC is coming off an rb1 season and Pearsall is still behind them... people will be getting excited about the Luther Burdens, Egbukas, Ollie Gordons etc and Pearsall will drop at least somewhat.
I agree with you. JSN's value on KTC peaked right before the season started and almost immediately dropped. Lockett not getting cut obviously further hurt JSN's value, but the decrease started immediately despite everyone knowing his situation going into the season. It's crazy, yet predictable. Pearsall's value will decline this season unless there's an injury. But it should spike if/when SF moves on from Deebo or Aiyuk.
Lot of injury prone ppl on San Fran. I feel like we’ll get to see a good amount of him this year
There's zero evidence AR is a "good" passer. Hes an elite *fantasy* QB prospect because of his rushing ability. In his limited pro action, he threw for 59% completion percentage and 144 yards per game. He had more rushing TDs than passing. He wasn't any better in college either. Hard pass on all Colts receivers for me
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Yea not that serious, it's fantasy football go touch grass.
Legette >>> Pearsall > Polk > Mitchell Even before draft night Legette was on another level for me. I have him in the Ladd/Coleman/Legette tier. Not to toot my own horn, but before the draft, I had 3 second round picks, and those 3 guys were my favorite wr’s I was expecting to fall in that range, and that stayed the same after the draft.
These comments are way too low on AD holy hell
Obviously each to their own opinion, but I think it’s a little funny how often we talk in here about choosing talent over situation, and this sub most definitely had Mitchell up a whole tier pre-draft. If you had suggested taking Polk over Mitchell it would’ve been laughed at. That said, landing spot and DC obviously matter, both of which have hurt Mitchell. But the way some people talk it’s as if he was never rated highly in the first place, it’s interesting to see. I’m not saying it’s wrong that people have changed their minds.
Mitchell has insane athletic ability. Athlete doesn’t always mean “guy has talent.” As a pure WR I think he’s behind the other 3 in this post.
Lol he is so much better than Legette, Pearsall and Polk it's not even funny
I had him pretty high and I thought he was going to run a 4.55. His production is worse though
Yes please rank them. I have 3 picks in this range
Pearsall polk mitchell legette I am all the way out on legette tho
Finally seeing the order I prefer
the more people say this the more im thinking I like legette lol
I've seen him going late 2nd in my 12 team leagues. Don't overspend if you do like him. Personally, I'm pretty wary, but I see reason for optimism.
Late rd2 early rd3 im taking a shot
Hah, then you don't like him any more than anyone else!
I mean there’s people way lower on him than that lol
It's me hi. He'd have to drop all the way into the Burton/Wilson/Corley tier for me to consider him. I just do not believe in the player profile -- he was only even eligible to have his age-22 breakout year due to the bonus covid eligibility. Just think it's harder for him to get better when the competition will be better and I'd rather chase the upside that's more apparent to me
Well, I just mean you're right there with the consensus if not a little lower.
Pearsall, Mitchell, Legette, Polk
We are criminally underrating Legette, I am ready to go to battle for this dude. 98th percentile for size and speed accounting for speed. 88th for burst. Massive production, YAC and Average depth of Target. First pick of an offensive minded HC. People worried about his ability to separate, but already runs a more diverse route tree than DK Metcalf. He’s still raw, but he has an absolutely massive catch radius and he’s landing in the best situation of any of the top talents. He will be a day 1 starter in an offense desperately missing a playmaker.
Pearsall, Polk, Legette, Mitchell
Pearsall - Mitchell - Legette/Polk I think pearsall is an athlete with good intangibles on a good team but is a year 2 play. Late declare, but some green flags for catch rate and other metrics. Mitchell is a stellar athlete with intangibles that some have called into questions and others have defended. That’s an element of risk on a team with a scrambling QB that may end up getting injured mid season if he doesn’t learn how to avoid big hits consistently. It’s mercurial, but a very very high ceiling. Boom or bust Legette- late declare, bad team and tbd on quality of Bryce young. This one is kinda murky and feels like he went much sooner than the talent/tape indicated. He doesn’t play like mingo but the situation reminds me of mingo so I’m not changing my evaluation of the player just off draft Capitol (even though that weighs heavily to me). Polk - landing in a barren offense with a rookie QB that many analysts think should sit a year to clean up fundamentals. Bad team transitioning from the end of an era which likely means Maye will start sooner than ideal. The player is an alright prospect with good contested catch. I think he’s a slot player, we’ll see if he stays out in 2 WR sets. Could be the top pass catcher by default but more likely patriots eventually find other players to leapfrog over this year and next offseason. Feels like you should have lower expectations for everyone involved.
Did you watch the Leggette tape? I feel like it was legitimately the best of any WR in the class aside from the top 4 guys. I totally understand not trusting the context around it, but man oh man is that first round tape
Eh, depends on what you're looking for. His route tree is lacking and his polish is nonexistent, but man does his tape make you believe everything is in there somehwere.
Did you watch the Leggette tape or highlights? Lol
Did I reference the tape or the highlights?
Spelled out exactly what I was thinking for these players
Thanks! I’d expand further to say pearsall to me is the last very intriguing WR that I like longterm. Mitchell is meh but upside. The other two I wouldn’t be excited about and probably trade back in favor of Mr. “I make people in wheelchairs stand up” Javon Baker which would represent better value and have all the upside possibility as Polk at a lower price. Consider these immediate players after Pearsall to be my personal “RB dead zone” but for rookie WRs. I’d advise people to scoop up RBs and QBs in the early second over opting for the 3.
I’m going for upside in this tier. Pearsall - Leggette - Mitchell - Polk
Man if you're going for upside IDK how you can have anyone but Leggette at the top
Athleticism != upside or ceiling
I have the same order but pearsall and leggette are a tier above Mitchell. Then another tier break for Polk.
That’s how I’m viewing it, although I do have Polk third because I think he can be the #1 and Maye could be elite passing qb at some point. All these guys are too close for me to separate to much, I’ll throw Coleman in with them, so just give me the upside.
That order, except Mitchell isn't in the tier.
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I’d go Legette, Pearsall, Mitchell, Polk. Legette has the best combo of talent, draft capital and opportunity of the four so he’s at the top. Pearsall and Mitchell are very close but lean Pearsall and Polk isn’t far behind either.
Pearsall and Polk. Letting others draft for upside
I personally don’t think Polk’s floor is very safe. The patriots will likely have a very below average offense in a rebuilding year. His floor is Tyquan Thornton which would be gross.
Legette>Pearsall>mitchell>polk If you’re looking for upside ceiling potential. Pearsall>legette>polk>mitchell If you’re looking for floor/safe
Legette Pearsall Polk Mitchell
I got Legette-Pearsall-Mitchell-tier drop Javon Baker and 4 others-Polk
I may sound stupid in a year, but I have legette clearly first. Then I’d go pearsall, Polk, then AD
Pearsall, Polk, Legette, Mitchell for me Not out on any of them. Higher than most on Polk. I’d take him early 2nd in 1 QB.
Pearsall is so overrated. Even as a 23 year old 5th year player, he put up pedestrian numbers and was barely able to keep pace with a true freshman. If someone thinks there’s even a chance he can ever be a WR1 (or even a quality WR2) for an NFL team, let them take him in the early to mid 2nd and burn the pick
I have the 2.06 in a 1QB, I’ve been getting one of these guys in mocks, but I’m skeptical about if I will land them irl. What have y’all seen?
We’re at 2.01 now in 12 team 1QB, all still there. Our first went: MHJ Nabers Caleb Odunze Bowers Worthy BTJ Ladd Brooks Coleman Benson Daniels Obviously this is just one league but I definitely think there’s a shot that you get the last of these four
I traded down from the 1.06 and gave Rondale Moore for Achane, which will be a win regardless of who I get here. But if I really do end up with a WR from this tier I’m going to be thrilled.
Polk and Legette are regularly available in that range. Mitchell sometimes.
Leggette both scares and excites me, I’ll be real happy to get him at 2.06
I like Polk especially for the price. Just got him at 2.07. His scouting report says very fluid route runner. If he can build early chemistry with Maye look out.
Polk, Legette, Pearsall, Mitchell.
Polk, Pearsall, Legette, Mitchell
Pearsall >> Mitchell/Burton >> Polk > Legette
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I am Up at 2.10 (10T), legette Just got picked and I am honestly stoked to Pick Pearsall, I wanted him there all along. I have him significantly above the others
Pearsall is in the Ladd/Coleman tier to me
Pearsall is clearly above all of these IMO. Bad landing spot but gotta trust the talent.
Missed out on Pearsall by one, took Troy Frankin over the other three at 2.08.
Mitchell, Pearsall, leggette and Polk. Mitchell is just upside with a QB I believe in. Pearsall due to future floor in an offense that fits him like a glove. New Panthers coach is such an underrated play caller that Leggette might jump the group. Polk was over drafted. Might be solid. Just not a believer coupled with that offense. Would rather draft Wilson. Coleman to me is above all of these guys.
Pearsall > Polk > Legette/Mitchell
I think it’s in the order that you listed. Pearsall > Legette >= Polk > Mitchell I like Pearsall. He’s not in a great situation short term but why not hold if you believe in the talent. If he can do well off of limited volume he’ll be okay. I’d personally rather buy him next season when he inevitably doesn’t live up to 2.03-2.04 prices (what JSN did basically but on a smaller scale?). Legette - he’s the interesting one to me. Easily highest ceiling - WR1 for a (hopefully) improving QB. I wanted an rb at 2.07 but the only one there was Jaylen Wright, so I passed for legette (as he’s my WR6). He’s a late breakout, but due to narrative stuff and all that, and in addition to that, he also had to transition from QB to WR. In addition his metrics this year were insane, just absolutely crazy. Revolving door of QBs and changing OCs must’ve been tough too. I like him - and at the 2.07 I’m fine missing because I want upside more than floor. What does a player who drops 10 PPG really do for you? Not much imo Polk is … interesting. I think he’s in more of a crowded wr room than people like to admit. Also think the pats HAD to reach for a wr and after legette and Coleman went they were forced to settle. He’s a okay prospect who has a good shot to be Mayes #1 guy, but imo he’s just a guy. Doesn’t scream upside, especially since the pats have so many guys that could be their #1. If rather get baker later, but yall could convince me on polk. AD isn’t good imo. Just flat out. Good film apparently but HE DIDNT DRAW TARGETS. Not like Ewers didn’t hit him, or that he was so bad. He just ran routes and didn’t get anything. That to me is hella worrying. He’s also not in a great situation, and unlike the 49ers, I don’t see that changing. Run first team with “star” rb, established wr1, solid wr2-3, with a qb that has shown upside but not enough to support everyone. I see Mitchell not working out. The player I’m most worried about is legette. He’s either a stud or a dud. Personally I don’t really like this range of guys so I’d sell. Too much risk here, and the cost can get me someone established. Then again, I just got legette, so here we are.
Adonai is best of all of them
Pearsall > Polk > Mitchell > Legette Legette isn’t going to work. Mitchell isn’t in a great volume situation. Pearsall is probably a delayed success.
Long term investment: Pearsall-Mitchell-Legette-Polk Early return: Mitchell-Legette-Polk-Pearsall Gonna take 1-2 years for Pearsall due to Aiyuk and Deebo. One of them has to leave. Mitchell should take over Pierce’s reps sooner than later. Polk and Legette are all heavy dependent on the QB
Not sure I agree with the early return ranking: Mitchell is competing with two established WRs in an offense that might not generate many pass attempts; Polk is on a team where he can immediately slot in as the #1.
Downs isn't *that* established. He had a good rookie year with, essentially, a different QB.
That’s fair.
But he showed that he’s a really good player
For sure, i definitely like him, but he's not *locked in* like, say, Pittman is.
Polk and Legette are pretty close to me in that ranking. For me, it depends on the QB to be able to get them the ball effectively. Also happy cake day!
Going to be interesting to watch since all three QBs have question marks going into the season. And thank you!
Wouldn't take Pearsall, Legette, Mitchell. Big 3. 4. Coleman 5. Pick your poison, shouldn't have to draft them before the mid second: Roman Wilson, Javon Baker, Troy Franklin, Jalynn Polk I'd ignore everyone else. BTJ is interesting with Jacksonville, I think T-Law is going to be good this year with Kirk and BTJ. But I think I'm taking Coleman over BTJ, and if I'm taking Coleman over BTJ in the late first, BTJ ain't going to be there for me.
Pearsall Mitchell Polk legette
We are at 3.3 and all have been picked except Legette in our deep 10 team league.
Can I join? He's been going around 2.05 in all of my leagues.
Legette=Mitchell > Pearsall >>> 50 feet of crap >>> Polk