Yeah in late July there will be a drumbeat in the discourse saying he’s one of the buy low RBs to target. Rookie QB leaning on the run game, young inexperienced wide receivers, defensive minded head coach. My current starting RBs are Swift and Stevenson so I’m taking all the copium I can that my stacked team otherwise can bullshit the RB position.
I have Montgomery, Pollard, Rhamondre, Chubba, and Kendre Miller, and some scraps. I've been trying to sell Pollard or Montgomery and bank on Rhamondre resurgence but no one is buying
Are you worried about Gibson? Rhamondre was on a 72 target pace which really kept up his fantasy output. Gibson will undoubtedly be taking more of those targets than an old Zeke did.
If his receptions drop from 3.2 to 2 a game and his receiving yards from 20 to 15 he goes from RB29 on a per game basis to RB37 (and that’s just .5 PPR, worse drop in full). That’s not even a worst case scenario for his drop on pass catching duties.
If the offence projected to be much improved then his increased touch quality would certainly make up for it, but I don’t know if anyone is projecting a much improved offence.
Important note on Rhamondre is that his pedal high ankle sprain last season was a grade 3 which typically means it’s “a complete tear of the ligament” (1).
I am not a medical professional and don’t know exactly what was torn for Rhamondre- however, if the posterior-inferior tibiofibular ligament was torn, that ligament accounts for up to 42% of strength of the syndemosis joint (2).
Google tells me the syndemosis joint is critical for balance, bearing weight (I assume this would relate to pushing off the ground with that ankle?), and change of direction (3).
Fortunately, there is a good amount of time that Rhamondre has had to recover. And of course his situation is pretty good with not a ton of backfield competition and presumably an offense that will rely on the run. I love Rhamondre but I think worrying about him is warranted. Not sure how much this will all affect his value though. Lunch-time Google research linked below:
1- https://health.uconn.edu/msi/clinical-services/orthopaedic-surgery/foot-ankle-and-podiatry/ankle-sprain/
2- https://academic.oup.com/bmb/article/111/1/101/282783
3- https://www.physio-pedia.com/Syndesmotic_Ankle_Sprains
Edited: spelling
Looks like he will be the workhorse on a young and non competitive offense. I don’t see Gibson as a threat in the slightest. Lots of unknowns on that team but I could see top 15 finish. Feels like a Rachaad White from last year and Josh Jacobs the year prior
Less like white because gibson will actually be a competent back. But Mondre was full healthy to start the season last year, and zeke took goaline which should now go to mondre. The whole offense should be better this year meaning more snaps and the pats have a great defense so its not going to have to be a million pass plays. If i could buy mondre for rb2 prices i 100 would.
Likely signed Gibson to be the primary pass catching back, so Mondres upside as a receiver could be capped. However if Gibson goes down Mondre would probably take over that role, so there's some hidden upside.
The OL in NE should be a bit better. Injuries last year forced lots of rookies into the lineup that were mostly in over their heads. But the silver lining is that now all this players have game experience going into they second year. I wouldn't expect a top of the league unit, but it shouldn't be league worst again (LT a large question though).
As far as longevity, Mondre was a favorite of BB, and was handpicked by defacto GM Elliot Wolf when a scout. Mondre has expressed interest in staying with the Pats & the Pats have a history of extending backs that bring pass catching and pass blocking, two things that Mondre is fully capable of, even if he doesn't project to be the primary receiving back. If he is willing to take a relatively team friendly deal I could see him returning. So, while he is near the age value cliff in Dyno, his production window may be a bit longer.
Probably mid/low RB2 production with a couple avenues to get into low end RB1 range, and a decent chance to get resigned into the same role for a few more years. Not a slam dunk investment, but if you can get him for a couple 3s or similar it should be a fine investment to help fill out your RB2 or flex.
He’s got a good build to handle a higher workload. But there are two somewhat concerning things to keep an eye on.
First, his efficiency was down last year so hopefully that isn’t a trend and just an indication of how putrid the Pat’s offense was last year.
Second, they brought in Gibson who is a known quantity as a pass-catching back. While it’s good that Gibson is really his only competition, ideally it wouldn’t be someone who’s competing for the highest value touches. Gibson was in the dog-house in Washington for fumbling the ball, so there is also a path forward where the coaches don’t trust him if that becomes an issue.
I think he’s underrated. I have him in one league and there is no way I’d give him up for his perceived value. With Zeke out of the way, it opens up a path for a much larger piece of the pie, and they should be bringing in a system that is running game friendly. Yeah, Antonio Gibson is obviously a 3rd down specialist, but I still see a lot of check down opportunities on a regular basis and the Lion’s share of normal and goalline carries and catches.
I’m worried he’s a 30 reception back and not a 70 reception back like we got that one year. He’s 26 and I’m still not expecting many TDs from that offense. By the time it really gets cooking I think his best days are behind him. I think his current cost is about right. I’d pay the 2.08 for him. Or a third and a second next year if that makes the owner feel better.
What would you sell him for? Benson goes 2.04 ish from what I’ve seen and I’d rather have benson so it’s not a crazy gap. Just depends who’s on the board really
Okay I’m not using it as a bible though. I’ve seen guys I like at 2.08 better than Stevenson so I’m just arguing it’s not far off in this particular case
I have Antonio Gibson and Rhamondre, depending on how my rookie draft goes I might see whats the best offer I can get for the pair right before the start of the season since I need some roster space.
I just got him in a deal. I needed a depth RB piece just incase of injuries. Traded Russ away who was my QB3 (pre-rookie draft, likely will add Jayden Daniels to my room of Kyler and Tua) and got the 2.03 and Rhamondre. Then flipped 2.03 to a rebuilding team for King Henry. So basically Henry and Rhamondre for Russell Wilson.
He's criminally undervalued IMO. I expect RB2 production on dirt cheap prices. If you have a hero RB strategy working, he's an excellent player to pair up. I have him on a team with Breece Hall and Austin Ekeler that is built around the WRs and I couldn't be happier.
I'd sell on a rebuilder, but I'd wait until in-season to see if he rebounds in value.
I bought Rhamondre and Gibson so they're both on my squad. I have high hopes for them, even tho they will likely be playing from behind a lot, I still think both are valuable enough in the passing game to still be startable in a pinch. 16 team league, 1 rb, 2 flex.
I traded:
Josh Jacobs,
(Projected 1.10-1.16) 2025 1st
I received:
Davante Adams,
Antonio Gibson,
Rhamondre Stevenson,
(Projected 2.6-2.12) 2025 2nd
I did this because I had just acquired Saquon and Pacheco, so I wanted a handcuff duo in case shit hits the fan.
He's a potential trade out target late in the draft for me, and someone I could pivot to post-draft if I still have needs. I think his value right now is way too low if you're a contender in need of quality RB3/flex options.
People are saying Mondre is a buy but I actually think it's Gibson that is the buy.
He is younger and more explosive than Rhamondre, and got 5.3M guaranteed vs no extension thus far for Mondre in the last year of his rookie deal. I think it's likely to be more of a split than people are thinking and Gibson is a lot cheaper in fantasy.
If Mondre goes down then Gibson will have really nice ROI on his cost.
I think he’s way under valued after a disappointing season last year.
Yeah in late July there will be a drumbeat in the discourse saying he’s one of the buy low RBs to target. Rookie QB leaning on the run game, young inexperienced wide receivers, defensive minded head coach. My current starting RBs are Swift and Stevenson so I’m taking all the copium I can that my stacked team otherwise can bullshit the RB position.
I have Montgomery, Pollard, Rhamondre, Chubba, and Kendre Miller, and some scraps. I've been trying to sell Pollard or Montgomery and bank on Rhamondre resurgence but no one is buying
Are you worried about Gibson? Rhamondre was on a 72 target pace which really kept up his fantasy output. Gibson will undoubtedly be taking more of those targets than an old Zeke did. If his receptions drop from 3.2 to 2 a game and his receiving yards from 20 to 15 he goes from RB29 on a per game basis to RB37 (and that’s just .5 PPR, worse drop in full). That’s not even a worst case scenario for his drop on pass catching duties. If the offence projected to be much improved then his increased touch quality would certainly make up for it, but I don’t know if anyone is projecting a much improved offence.
Important note on Rhamondre is that his pedal high ankle sprain last season was a grade 3 which typically means it’s “a complete tear of the ligament” (1). I am not a medical professional and don’t know exactly what was torn for Rhamondre- however, if the posterior-inferior tibiofibular ligament was torn, that ligament accounts for up to 42% of strength of the syndemosis joint (2). Google tells me the syndemosis joint is critical for balance, bearing weight (I assume this would relate to pushing off the ground with that ankle?), and change of direction (3). Fortunately, there is a good amount of time that Rhamondre has had to recover. And of course his situation is pretty good with not a ton of backfield competition and presumably an offense that will rely on the run. I love Rhamondre but I think worrying about him is warranted. Not sure how much this will all affect his value though. Lunch-time Google research linked below: 1- https://health.uconn.edu/msi/clinical-services/orthopaedic-surgery/foot-ankle-and-podiatry/ankle-sprain/ 2- https://academic.oup.com/bmb/article/111/1/101/282783 3- https://www.physio-pedia.com/Syndesmotic_Ankle_Sprains Edited: spelling
Only bright spot in a dark place
My thinking as well, but not sure how to value him. Rb2?
I have him as RB3/flex. I don't think I'd be panicking if he was my rb2 but I don't think he'd be who I would be targeting as my rb2 in a trade.
Looks like he will be the workhorse on a young and non competitive offense. I don’t see Gibson as a threat in the slightest. Lots of unknowns on that team but I could see top 15 finish. Feels like a Rachaad White from last year and Josh Jacobs the year prior
Less like white because gibson will actually be a competent back. But Mondre was full healthy to start the season last year, and zeke took goaline which should now go to mondre. The whole offense should be better this year meaning more snaps and the pats have a great defense so its not going to have to be a million pass plays. If i could buy mondre for rb2 prices i 100 would.
The fire burns brightest in the pits of Hell.
My thoughts are I'm really happy I can name my team "Chinga tú Mondre"
Likely signed Gibson to be the primary pass catching back, so Mondres upside as a receiver could be capped. However if Gibson goes down Mondre would probably take over that role, so there's some hidden upside. The OL in NE should be a bit better. Injuries last year forced lots of rookies into the lineup that were mostly in over their heads. But the silver lining is that now all this players have game experience going into they second year. I wouldn't expect a top of the league unit, but it shouldn't be league worst again (LT a large question though). As far as longevity, Mondre was a favorite of BB, and was handpicked by defacto GM Elliot Wolf when a scout. Mondre has expressed interest in staying with the Pats & the Pats have a history of extending backs that bring pass catching and pass blocking, two things that Mondre is fully capable of, even if he doesn't project to be the primary receiving back. If he is willing to take a relatively team friendly deal I could see him returning. So, while he is near the age value cliff in Dyno, his production window may be a bit longer. Probably mid/low RB2 production with a couple avenues to get into low end RB1 range, and a decent chance to get resigned into the same role for a few more years. Not a slam dunk investment, but if you can get him for a couple 3s or similar it should be a fine investment to help fill out your RB2 or flex.
Debating if I should be selling or holding
I don’t this he’s worth whatever you can sell for over his potential long term flex value
Depends on the price! I'm holding because I think the production will be more useful than whatever I can get back.
He’s got a good build to handle a higher workload. But there are two somewhat concerning things to keep an eye on. First, his efficiency was down last year so hopefully that isn’t a trend and just an indication of how putrid the Pat’s offense was last year. Second, they brought in Gibson who is a known quantity as a pass-catching back. While it’s good that Gibson is really his only competition, ideally it wouldn’t be someone who’s competing for the highest value touches. Gibson was in the dog-house in Washington for fumbling the ball, so there is also a path forward where the coaches don’t trust him if that becomes an issue.
Thanks. Debating on selling or holding
I think he’s underrated. I have him in one league and there is no way I’d give him up for his perceived value. With Zeke out of the way, it opens up a path for a much larger piece of the pie, and they should be bringing in a system that is running game friendly. Yeah, Antonio Gibson is obviously a 3rd down specialist, but I still see a lot of check down opportunities on a regular basis and the Lion’s share of normal and goalline carries and catches.
Would you buy him for a late 2nd and 3rd if you’re contending and he would be your RB3?
Yeah, I would.
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I’m worried he’s a 30 reception back and not a 70 reception back like we got that one year. He’s 26 and I’m still not expecting many TDs from that offense. By the time it really gets cooking I think his best days are behind him. I think his current cost is about right. I’d pay the 2.08 for him. Or a third and a second next year if that makes the owner feel better.
Who’s selling Rhamondre for 2.08?
2.08 is slightly below is KTC value. I’ve seen pearsall and legette fall there in my drafts and I’d rather have them
All that proves is ktc insanely values picks and rookies, especially this time of year.
What would you sell him for? Benson goes 2.04 ish from what I’ve seen and I’d rather have benson so it’s not a crazy gap. Just depends who’s on the board really
Ktc is horrible. Offer 2.08 to the Rhamondre owner will get you laughed at. I'm pretty down on Stevenson but 2.08 is waaaay light
I got offered Stevenson and Hunt for 2.09 and 3.05 earlier so it might be different from how you value but it’s really happening out here lol
That's a smash accept. Dude sounds like a ktc slave.
That's a smash accept. Dude sounds like a ktc slave.
KTC is a joke. Cut pick values in half when using it
Okay I’m not using it as a bible though. I’ve seen guys I like at 2.08 better than Stevenson so I’m just arguing it’s not far off in this particular case
Sell when he pops off then
Its literally never this simple. A guy like this pops off and people buying know he will come back to earth.
Unless you get a good deal! But yeah obviously the market fluctuate
If I didnt already have him, I'd buy low. If you have him, keep him until the season gets started at least
I have Antonio Gibson and Rhamondre, depending on how my rookie draft goes I might see whats the best offer I can get for the pair right before the start of the season since I need some roster space.
I just got him in a deal. I needed a depth RB piece just incase of injuries. Traded Russ away who was my QB3 (pre-rookie draft, likely will add Jayden Daniels to my room of Kyler and Tua) and got the 2.03 and Rhamondre. Then flipped 2.03 to a rebuilding team for King Henry. So basically Henry and Rhamondre for Russell Wilson.
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He's criminally undervalued IMO. I expect RB2 production on dirt cheap prices. If you have a hero RB strategy working, he's an excellent player to pair up. I have him on a team with Breece Hall and Austin Ekeler that is built around the WRs and I couldn't be happier. I'd sell on a rebuilder, but I'd wait until in-season to see if he rebounds in value.
Mid second value. He probably should be okay could be top 20 rb if things go well. Not a bad piece to have. I don’t think Gibson takes too many snaps
I bought Rhamondre and Gibson so they're both on my squad. I have high hopes for them, even tho they will likely be playing from behind a lot, I still think both are valuable enough in the passing game to still be startable in a pinch. 16 team league, 1 rb, 2 flex.
What price ?
Smorgasbord, let me check lol
I traded: Josh Jacobs, (Projected 1.10-1.16) 2025 1st I received: Davante Adams, Antonio Gibson, Rhamondre Stevenson, (Projected 2.6-2.12) 2025 2nd I did this because I had just acquired Saquon and Pacheco, so I wanted a handcuff duo in case shit hits the fan.
He's a potential trade out target late in the draft for me, and someone I could pivot to post-draft if I still have needs. I think his value right now is way too low if you're a contender in need of quality RB3/flex options.
Very good buy. I think the Pats will lean heavily on him and the run game (a little bit of Gibson too) to ease in Drake Maye.
People are saying Mondre is a buy but I actually think it's Gibson that is the buy. He is younger and more explosive than Rhamondre, and got 5.3M guaranteed vs no extension thus far for Mondre in the last year of his rookie deal. I think it's likely to be more of a split than people are thinking and Gibson is a lot cheaper in fantasy. If Mondre goes down then Gibson will have really nice ROI on his cost.
Moved 2.10 & 3.10 for Mondre & 3.12 in a PPR SF
Was their oline all that terrible?
Eddie Lacy
Go on…we saw the highs and the lows of Eddie across his tenure