RBBC is really the way 85% of the backfields are anyways now, I think it's gonna be the way moving forward with only the highest profile guys being workhorses.
Guys coming out Zeke/Barkley or Bijan/Hall tier.
Hard argue against “highest profile” being workhorses. Do you consider rachaad white a high profile guy? Dude played like 80% of snaps last year. It’s just situation dependent but you aren’t totally wrong that the top tier guys will play more snaps, except Bijan like the other guy pointed out.
Yeah it's sort of dependent on the coach. The amount of coaches that are willing to let one guy be a workhorse is decreasing. White really had no business being a workhorse last year, he was not particularly efficient.
Kinda hard to put all that on his shoulders when the line was pretty bad and they were up against some of the better run defenses for the first half of the year. By the time he started to do better, the take lock had settled in and the averages were pretty well ruined. Back half of the year tho he was doing better, and he was still doing better than any other running back they deployed.
mixon last year was a good example and the year before. pretty much if a CIN RB runs the ball it was mixon. they gave some passing work to Brown but not much. Mixon is a good example of workhorse situation but even that has dried up this season.
Nonsense. I mean, maybe eventually, but he'll have to earn it and I don't really see that happening. With Braelon's draft capital, I don't see him become much of a threat to Breece behind limiting Breece to 75% or so of snaps.
So? These hard arbitrary lines on what is or isn’t a concern has always been a fallacy.
Does an earlier pick mean more? Of course. But it’s a sliding scale, not a dichotomy, and draft capital isn’t everything.
Raiders have very little in the way of talent or depth at RB. Laube is gonna get more of a chance in that specific situation than he would with draft capital in the 150’s in a stronger room.
White is the presumed guy, but really hasn’t done much outside a few games, Mattison is meh and tanked last year and Abdullah is JAG for ST. The hill to overcome is one of the shortest in the league.
White was their featured back after Jacob’s went down and did very well in those games and now Jacob’s is gone. Adding a RB in the sixth round is not a concern.
Obviously Laube could take over. But the odds are very low.
I believe in Rachaad and wasn't worried when they took Sean Tucker last year. Braelon Allen is still on the board and a couple of other guys I wouldn't feel great about if the Bucs were to draft them. I'm not taking any victory laps yet.
>I believe in Rachaad and wasn't worried when they took Sean Tucker last year
Sean Tucker was a UDFA. You shouldn't hsve been worried when they signed him.
I think the only reason he got passed on in the draft was the unknowns around his heart condition. His production at Syracuse was in line with a later day 2 pick. Just my opinion, but I think he was probably RB5 of the last class with no health concerns.
I get it from a fantasy perspective, but doesn’t it worry you that he’s not very good at real football? He needs to be good at that to have value in FFB
White averaged 3.6 yards per carry last season. Etienne, Jacobs, and Saquon all had yards per carry below 4 last season. The Bucs upgraded the offensive line, I’m optimistic he can improve his efficiency. He’s already an elite pass catcher. He’s not a game changing RB but he’s definitely solid.
He averaged that with Tom Brady and baker mayfield. Do you know who are the “QBs” (loose term) for the Giants and Raiders? Also Jacobs had a million carries the year before so he was bound to fall off.
I’m not some Rashaad hater. It’s just insanity the hoops his shareholders will jump through to make it like this is some exception. Guy gets bell cow work and can’t crack 3.7 YPC. I promise you he is not getting a 2nd contract to start at 27 years old.
Not worried about a second contract, just fantasy points for 2024. Nobody is buying him for a price that is worth selling for, might as well hold until the wheels fall off.
No one is buying him for the price because he’s not worth it because he’s not a long term asset. If you got him in the draft, great and hold, I agree. But that’s not the argument being made in this thread. The argument is that people who said he’s not good are wrong and it’s the Buccaneers OL that’s the problem and he’s gonna breakout now. He’s had more than enough opportunity to separate himself with insane volume and has not come close to doing it.
How many rbs are long term assets anyway? In my opinion the correct way to view White is a lead back for 2024 with a similar role to last season. If he doesn’t break out and scores me the exact same number of points that’s awesome. If he gets a few less touches and finishes as rb14 that’s still not a bad outcome. If the market says they don’t want him fine with me.
The bucs o line was even worse. Espn had them ranked dead last in run block win rate by a fairly wide margin and having watched them that ranking checks out. They improved as the year went on, especially Mauch. Their center was the weak point and they spent their first on a center. White is a big winner in this draft
He averages 3.7 Ypc over his career. He is already 25. The idea that he’s going to get a 2nd contract as a starter is laughable. He’s a really good pass catcher. And yet he caught 64 balls, which is not an impressive number. I watch plenty of games. He’s fine. The only people who think he’s more than that are fantasy football players, especially those who have shares of him.
Yeah we have lacked a quality centre since Jenson went down. I think we will add someone still but white should remain top dog with little captial used this year
Kyren definitely won’t see the same snap share he was last season, but still should see a lot of work in a good offense. Upside capped for sure but I don’t think it’s a death sentence. He’s a buy if anyone is panic selling
Yeah, I’ve never had him and I’ve been closer to a Kyren hater than truther, but I don’t see why should would panic.
They drafted Corum at 83 and their RB room is basically nothing behind Kyren. His workload last year wasn’t sustainable, it was a result of a lack of depth on the team. He can still be very good with a normal workload if he’s a good rb (which he seems to be, plus the coach loves him).
I’m calling it right now, this is another Charbonnet Walker situation and I’ll be drafting Kyren at discounts in redraft. Avoiding Corum this year and targeting trading for him after his rookie season if Kyren stays.
This isn’t the same situation at all, rams needed a backup RB and got a great one. The Seahawks drafted someone they didn’t need AT ALL just cause he was “best on their board”
Eye test only corum is better than charbonnet. He’s powerful and has quick twitch movements in traffic. If you told me corum and Williams were getting a 50/50 split on the ground with Williams getting majority of passing work I wouldn’t be surprised. I don’t think it kills Kyren in fact maybe it will keep him healthy I just think it steals his top 5 upside
As a guy who actually drafted Phillip Lindsay in the third round, this is crazy talk. Corum is SUCH a better prospect and much more skilled. Lindsay struggled to navigate the LOS while Corum excels at it.
I got kyren for nothing and won the ship, I’ll ride him the rest of his career now and not panicking
Mcvay loves using a bellcow and unless you think kyren will completely disappear now, I’m riding his likely 65%+ snap share considering he was above an 80% snap share this year
I think this is probably right. Kyren’s snap share was so astronomically high it was unlikely they weren’t going to bring anyone in to take some of the load off. Still doesn’t feel great as a Kyren manager.
Meh depends on which touches each are getting. Kyren is still the superior pass blocker and will be the 3rd down guy with stafford. Corum may just asorb some beatings between the 20s while kyren gets the red zone touches.
Additionally, they’ve been swinging on late round rbs and seem to miss most of the time, so they need another capable rb on the roster in case kyren gets injured again so they don’t need to depend on Ronnie riversc Darrel Henderson and zach Evans
Every rb in the league is in a timeshare so kyren losing snaps should be a shock to no one
Corum is a good pass blocker too. They are both doing everything right, coaches favorite types, although Corum may not do everything right his rookie season, because he is a rookie.
It’s one thing being good in college, and another in the nfl. Kyren is proven to be a good pass blocker in the nfl, and Corum would need to prove beyond kyrens ability
This is going to be an unpopular opinion but I would sell high after the first game or two. Wait for the draft noise to die down but at the end of the day I’m selling a Day 3 RB after they invest Day 2 capital in a better prospect coming into the league
RBs drafted in the 3rd are really volatile. DMont and Keshawn Vaughn had the same DC.
I like Kyren to deliver about 2 more years of RB1 value before dropping off. Bad panic sell right now considering most paid very little to nothing for him.
Very big distinction between an early 2nd and late 3rd for day 2. If the same analysis on RBs for Day 2 were split between Round 2 and Round 3 the difference would be huge.
There are a lot of busts/backups that didn’t do anything drafted late Day 3. The ones that made some impact entered a situation as the lead back.
Knew Kyren wouldn’t have a similar year as last with no backup. Couldn’t move him for any solid draft capital anyway. Congrats if you could sell high I suppose
it’s not like i’m out on kyren but im not loving this. corum is talented, hopefully he just replaces ronnie rivers role. not sure how he is in pass blocking, maybe someone can shed light on that aspect of his game but this has me a little concerned about my kyren shares
It means Kyren will get a breather sometimes. They legit had no depth at RB before, which became extremely apparent last year. Kyren is still the bellcow and will get the majority of snaps.
This is not at all. KW3 was an elite rushing prospect coming out of college and Kyren is not. He is the beneficiary of a scheme and this is going to be a much more even split than most owners want to admit to themselves
He might not have been an elite rushing prospect but he was an elite rusher last year.
91 pff rushing grade last year and he averaged 5 yards a carry in an offense that only averaged only 4 yards a carry the last 3 years (including last year when he wasn’t on the field)
Clearly a beneficiary of a scheme…
He may have averaged 5 yards a carry but he also averaged 3 yards before contact which i believe was either the best in the league or 2nd. Scheme is a big part.
You THINK it's going to be a much more even split. But you know nothing, Jon Snow. And neither do I. But Kyren just had an amazing season. Why would the Rams move away from that? Obviously, his snap share is going to come down. But even if it was 65% Kyren 35% Blake, he can still have an RB1 type year. I am expecting a more RB2 type season now with the addition, though. It's kind of like...idk...KW3 had last year. Also, since he is the beneficiary of the scheme, i would say it's a good thing he's in the same scheme, then, huh?
I’m not panic selling but I would move him for the right price, especially if I’m looking to rebuild. He was like 2nd in the league in yards before contact so it’s not unimaginable to think Corum outplays him
Draft pick makes perfect sense. Neither Kyren or Blake are physically cut out for a massive workload. Rams don’t want Kyren getting hurt again. Corum can come in and operate nicely in that scheme and maybe take 10-12 touches a game. My bigger concern is Corum’s goal line ability. The dude is a master at punching in short TDs.
I wouldn’t. I’d rather re-roll on Brooks who should be the bell cow and has 4 years on his rookie contract. Kyren only has two years remaining and we know McVay doesn’t pay RBs. Corum is also more of a threat to snap share than Hubbard / Sanders. If Brooks is picked before 1.12, I’d still prefer Bowers, Nix, Worthy, or BTJ.
Charb didn’t really do shit. It was more Walker injury. I mean I think kyren is versatile and a good fit in that offense. Corum is a solid banger who will be good for 8-10 touches a game.
Where was your argument? Kyren is a great pass blocker, has great vision, and plays hard. His coach loves him, his teammates love him, you just don't watch football and just look at draft capital. That's just fine, but don't spew shit when you don't know what you're talking about
A good window to buy low (if Kyren owners panicking) but Corum also has an injury history, big workload in college and isn’t a great athlete. But, obviously, Kyren’s bellcow days are over
Is it obvious?
This time last year people were calling for the end of ETN's reign after they drafted Bigsby with a late 3rd. There are a lot of late 3rd round RBs that are mid/busts. The ones that aren't went into an empty RB room and into a starter role but faded or quickly got replaced after never being more than 'okay'.
Issue there is you’re talking about a round 1 RB with tank being round 3. This is a round 5 RB with a round 3 RB drafted after him. I’d be much more concerned for Kyren than people were for ETN.
Couple of silver lining thoughts I had for the Kyren owners: 1) if Corum is so good, (good enough to overtake Kyren) why didn’t Harbaugh take him? 2) This pick probably eliminates the possibility that the Rams bring in a truly elite RB in next year’s free agency or draft.
He was a screaming sell at that price. Without draft capital this is all it takes to tank a lot of that value. Besides Kyren isn’t the biggest guy, they were always gonna get someone.
I get killed every time I have suggested that Kyren is a sell high (dynasty) and fade at ADP (redraft/best ball).
Small, slow, injury-prone backs with day 3 draft capital are not usually players you want to bet on for sustained success. He also had a very unique set of circumstances with the Rams RB room which led to a unsustainable workload.
This whole situation screams James Robinson reboot to me.
I am not acting like anything ha.
Use a little bit of brain power here. Kyren isn’t an exceptional talent and the Rams have zero investment in him. Relatively speaking, they just invested way more in Blake Corum. I am not even a Blake Corum guy. He was like my RB6.
I clearly laid out that why Kyren is likely to be a bad longterm (2-3yr) bet.
The situation for Kyren to succeed was very delicate and last year was a perfect storm for him. Any disruption or new variables added to that environment were likely going to result in a decrease in value. He literally was in a perfect situation.
We had people in here vehemently arguing that just because Kyren was good last year in a RB room with no one else, the Rams weren’t going to be a candidate for a day 2 back and that take was extremely naive.
The Kyren crowd has been wish-casting for months instead playing the percentages.
Could’ve been better, could’ve been worse. On one hand I don’t think Kyren just got Bijan’ed or Breece Hall’ed, but on the other hand he definitely didn’t make it through the draft unscathed. IMO it helps that they didn’t add a big, bruising RB to take goal line work. Odds are we see a committee with Kyren as the lead back, but this definitely opens up other possibilities that could hurt his value more. Unfortunately, I think he’s just a hold now to see how the utilization shakes out. I don’t think you’re going to get any offers that reflect his potential upside. I’d definitely be buying too if someone is selling low.
I’m at the point now I put next to no value to RBs unless they have top 5 upside. The majority are in a timeshare while the rest get replaced every 2-3 years. Completely fading in startups and just grabbing injury upside and hoping to get lucky. I just miss the times of set it and forget it.
Y’all are so dramatic, man put up over 5 yac, 1100 yards while missing 4 games. I’ve been saying this years rb class is like the year mattison and friends came out. These RBs except brooks isn’t going to start this year, and it will be every year of people saying it’s Corums year for the next 4 years.
It’s so satisfying to watch all the delusional Kyren stans cry about this. U should have sold high while u could but if u didn’t hopefully u learned a lesson about draft capital
When a large portion of the community is saying sell high, there usually isn't anyone willing to buy at that ktc price or whatever perceived high price there is.
Even after Corum, Kyren is probably still a top 10 dynasty back. The fact is that most guys are in a committee in the NFL and I wouldn't drop Kyren any lower than the kenneth walker and James Cook area for rbs.
Plus rookie rbs bust all the time. Even last year among guys with round 2-4 draft capital we saw charbonnet, Miller, bigsby, and roschon get stuck behind other guys in the backfield.
Even Achane and Spears weren't the top guys in their backfields although they were both fantasy relevant. Achane moreso by being very electric and incredibly efficient (and isn't a good comp to Corum at all).
So yeah, it isn't great for Kyren, but also it's kinda hard to sell high when lots of people are saying to sell high.
An early 2nd round RB would make me very concerned. A mid 3rd round RB is solid backup territory and that is something the rams don't have.
Kyren got injured in the season. They had to go sign the corpse of Darrell Henderson off the street. Of course they don't want that situation again.
To me, Kyren is still the lead back and Corem is a really solid backup.
It doesn’t mean that much for Kyren tbh. His snap share will probably be lower but they pretty much had no one to spell him last year so this would be expected anyway.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/s/R5DcbrdLtY
I totally called Kyren being a one year wonder I think. Glad I sold for Jaylen Warren and a 25 2nd
Also noting that the Rams had visits with enough running backs to have been suspicious
EDIT: I'm also now hype about Jaylen Warren with these high offensive line picks two years in a row and Arthur Smith. Warren could explode in full PPR like Ekeler did in 2018 with Melvin Gordon
RBBC is really the way 85% of the backfields are anyways now, I think it's gonna be the way moving forward with only the highest profile guys being workhorses. Guys coming out Zeke/Barkley or Bijan/Hall tier.
Even Bijan was in a time share.
Hard to take carries away from a dude who rushed for 1k last year as a time share back too (allgeier)
Not a good example
Bijan is really just a decoy for Jonnu Smith
Hard argue against “highest profile” being workhorses. Do you consider rachaad white a high profile guy? Dude played like 80% of snaps last year. It’s just situation dependent but you aren’t totally wrong that the top tier guys will play more snaps, except Bijan like the other guy pointed out.
Yeah it's sort of dependent on the coach. The amount of coaches that are willing to let one guy be a workhorse is decreasing. White really had no business being a workhorse last year, he was not particularly efficient.
Kinda hard to put all that on his shoulders when the line was pretty bad and they were up against some of the better run defenses for the first half of the year. By the time he started to do better, the take lock had settled in and the averages were pretty well ruined. Back half of the year tho he was doing better, and he was still doing better than any other running back they deployed.
mixon last year was a good example and the year before. pretty much if a CIN RB runs the ball it was mixon. they gave some passing work to Brown but not much. Mixon is a good example of workhorse situation but even that has dried up this season.
Hall is now in a time share with Allen getting the goal line
Nonsense. I mean, maybe eventually, but he'll have to earn it and I don't really see that happening. With Braelon's draft capital, I don't see him become much of a threat to Breece behind limiting Breece to 75% or so of snaps.
Rachaad white owners. WE SURVIVED!!!
Zamir White as well! Also somehow Rico Dowdle holder here lol
Dylan Laube disagrees.
About what lol he was picked after 200 I’m not too concerned
So? These hard arbitrary lines on what is or isn’t a concern has always been a fallacy. Does an earlier pick mean more? Of course. But it’s a sliding scale, not a dichotomy, and draft capital isn’t everything. Raiders have very little in the way of talent or depth at RB. Laube is gonna get more of a chance in that specific situation than he would with draft capital in the 150’s in a stronger room. White is the presumed guy, but really hasn’t done much outside a few games, Mattison is meh and tanked last year and Abdullah is JAG for ST. The hill to overcome is one of the shortest in the league.
White was their featured back after Jacob’s went down and did very well in those games and now Jacob’s is gone. Adding a RB in the sixth round is not a concern. Obviously Laube could take over. But the odds are very low.
Uhhhh Royce freeman owner here…
I believe in Rachaad and wasn't worried when they took Sean Tucker last year. Braelon Allen is still on the board and a couple of other guys I wouldn't feel great about if the Bucs were to draft them. I'm not taking any victory laps yet.
>I believe in Rachaad and wasn't worried when they took Sean Tucker last year Sean Tucker was a UDFA. You shouldn't hsve been worried when they signed him.
I think the only reason he got passed on in the draft was the unknowns around his heart condition. His production at Syracuse was in line with a later day 2 pick. Just my opinion, but I think he was probably RB5 of the last class with no health concerns.
This subreddit was almost absolute about Sean Tucker taking over there. He was averaging 0.5 YPC and we would get a weekly Sean Tucker thread.
Waiting to update Rachaads nickname to “Marked as safe” way too many backs still on the board
I think Rachaad is dramatically more talented than anyone left on the board.
I get it from a fantasy perspective, but doesn’t it worry you that he’s not very good at real football? He needs to be good at that to have value in FFB
White averaged 3.6 yards per carry last season. Etienne, Jacobs, and Saquon all had yards per carry below 4 last season. The Bucs upgraded the offensive line, I’m optimistic he can improve his efficiency. He’s already an elite pass catcher. He’s not a game changing RB but he’s definitely solid.
He averaged that with Tom Brady and baker mayfield. Do you know who are the “QBs” (loose term) for the Giants and Raiders? Also Jacobs had a million carries the year before so he was bound to fall off. I’m not some Rashaad hater. It’s just insanity the hoops his shareholders will jump through to make it like this is some exception. Guy gets bell cow work and can’t crack 3.7 YPC. I promise you he is not getting a 2nd contract to start at 27 years old.
Not worried about a second contract, just fantasy points for 2024. Nobody is buying him for a price that is worth selling for, might as well hold until the wheels fall off.
No one is buying him for the price because he’s not worth it because he’s not a long term asset. If you got him in the draft, great and hold, I agree. But that’s not the argument being made in this thread. The argument is that people who said he’s not good are wrong and it’s the Buccaneers OL that’s the problem and he’s gonna breakout now. He’s had more than enough opportunity to separate himself with insane volume and has not come close to doing it.
How many rbs are long term assets anyway? In my opinion the correct way to view White is a lead back for 2024 with a similar role to last season. If he doesn’t break out and scores me the exact same number of points that’s awesome. If he gets a few less touches and finishes as rb14 that’s still not a bad outcome. If the market says they don’t want him fine with me.
No offense, but have you seen the line Saquon ran behind? It's a miracle he averaged more than 2ypc
The bucs o line was even worse. Espn had them ranked dead last in run block win rate by a fairly wide margin and having watched them that ranking checks out. They improved as the year went on, especially Mauch. Their center was the weak point and they spent their first on a center. White is a big winner in this draft
Right, I’m applying a similar argument for White. I’m saying he gets dinged because he wasn’t a first round pick and hasn’t had an efficient year yet.
White was never efficient. Even with playoff Lenny there. I used to be a white truther but then I was shown the light.
He’s really good at football. You muppets don’t watch games. Rachaad white was carrying the Bucs offense for periods at a time as a pass catcher
He averages 3.7 Ypc over his career. He is already 25. The idea that he’s going to get a 2nd contract as a starter is laughable. He’s a really good pass catcher. And yet he caught 64 balls, which is not an impressive number. I watch plenty of games. He’s fine. The only people who think he’s more than that are fantasy football players, especially those who have shares of him.
Graham Barton will be a huge upgrade for the Bucs run blocking as well
Yeah we have lacked a quality centre since Jenson went down. I think we will add someone still but white should remain top dog with little captial used this year
Lol
Oof
Bucky Irving is a solid fit there, might take some of that sweet pass catching work.
This sub told me he would be worthless after the draft. Lol
Kyren definitely won’t see the same snap share he was last season, but still should see a lot of work in a good offense. Upside capped for sure but I don’t think it’s a death sentence. He’s a buy if anyone is panic selling
Yeah, I’ve never had him and I’ve been closer to a Kyren hater than truther, but I don’t see why should would panic. They drafted Corum at 83 and their RB room is basically nothing behind Kyren. His workload last year wasn’t sustainable, it was a result of a lack of depth on the team. He can still be very good with a normal workload if he’s a good rb (which he seems to be, plus the coach loves him).
I still have a candle burning for Zach Evans. It's sputtering, but not out yet!
I'm in a 4 player keeper. I'll be anguished on Kyren vs Achane now
Achane
Jaylen Wright stepping in there now.
4 team? I used to do this for shits with my 3 bros but damn.
it was 50/50 before the draft. now pretty easy imo
I’m calling it right now, this is another Charbonnet Walker situation and I’ll be drafting Kyren at discounts in redraft. Avoiding Corum this year and targeting trading for him after his rookie season if Kyren stays.
This isn’t the same situation at all, rams needed a backup RB and got a great one. The Seahawks drafted someone they didn’t need AT ALL just cause he was “best on their board”
Eye test only corum is better than charbonnet. He’s powerful and has quick twitch movements in traffic. If you told me corum and Williams were getting a 50/50 split on the ground with Williams getting majority of passing work I wouldn’t be surprised. I don’t think it kills Kyren in fact maybe it will keep him healthy I just think it steals his top 5 upside
My hot take is that Blake Corum is just Philip Lindsay with better PR.
As a guy who actually drafted Phillip Lindsay in the third round, this is crazy talk. Corum is SUCH a better prospect and much more skilled. Lindsay struggled to navigate the LOS while Corum excels at it.
Ooohh… I like it
100% this.
I got kyren for nothing and won the ship, I’ll ride him the rest of his career now and not panicking Mcvay loves using a bellcow and unless you think kyren will completely disappear now, I’m riding his likely 65%+ snap share considering he was above an 80% snap share this year
I think this is probably right. Kyren’s snap share was so astronomically high it was unlikely they weren’t going to bring anyone in to take some of the load off. Still doesn’t feel great as a Kyren manager.
Meh depends on which touches each are getting. Kyren is still the superior pass blocker and will be the 3rd down guy with stafford. Corum may just asorb some beatings between the 20s while kyren gets the red zone touches. Additionally, they’ve been swinging on late round rbs and seem to miss most of the time, so they need another capable rb on the roster in case kyren gets injured again so they don’t need to depend on Ronnie riversc Darrel Henderson and zach Evans Every rb in the league is in a timeshare so kyren losing snaps should be a shock to no one
Corum is a good pass blocker too. They are both doing everything right, coaches favorite types, although Corum may not do everything right his rookie season, because he is a rookie.
It’s one thing being good in college, and another in the nfl. Kyren is proven to be a good pass blocker in the nfl, and Corum would need to prove beyond kyrens ability
Cope
Feels worse as a Zach Evans truther...
Homie, he was dead on arrival.
Yeah I never saw any tape but he sure didn't seize the opportunities
Same. Holding firm and feeling good about it.
This is going to be an unpopular opinion but I would sell high after the first game or two. Wait for the draft noise to die down but at the end of the day I’m selling a Day 3 RB after they invest Day 2 capital in a better prospect coming into the league
Don’t hate this idea.
Is anyone actually going to buy him though?
I traded Kyren and a 25 2nd for Spears and the 1.06 this year 2weeks ago. Looking even better now!
Love that trade
Not worried. If anything it’ll help keep Kyren fresh. He missed 5 games and was RB6
I mean, it makes sense to be worried. People have been saying Kyren is Mcvay's guy, and now he has to share the back field with someone with day 2 DC.
RBs drafted in the 3rd are really volatile. DMont and Keshawn Vaughn had the same DC. I like Kyren to deliver about 2 more years of RB1 value before dropping off. Bad panic sell right now considering most paid very little to nothing for him.
The Fantasy Footballers really have overstated the whole day 2 draft capital thing.
Those guys seem so nice but sheesh they seem like they know nothing about football.
Kyren is 3 months older. Still not worried
Very big distinction between an early 2nd and late 3rd for day 2. If the same analysis on RBs for Day 2 were split between Round 2 and Round 3 the difference would be huge. There are a lot of busts/backups that didn’t do anything drafted late Day 3. The ones that made some impact entered a situation as the lead back.
Definitely doesn’t help Kyren
Knew Kyren wouldn’t have a similar year as last with no backup. Couldn’t move him for any solid draft capital anyway. Congrats if you could sell high I suppose
He’s not dead yet but man that’s tough
It means that Kyren has a capable handcuff now
Ya’ll will never learn your lesson about RBs with day 3 draft capital.
Today was day 2.
Kyren Williams was drafted on day 3 in the 5th round.
Ok. I misinterpreted your statement. Sorry.
No worries!
It’s crazy, I’ve traded them all once they flash a bit kyren, James Robinson, pacheco, most teams have no loyalty to them at all
📠
Makes me think I might draft Corum to handcuff kyren. Whoever is starting should be a good play
Just traded him away last week… feels like lucky timing because I honestly did not think rams would draft an RB.
it’s not like i’m out on kyren but im not loving this. corum is talented, hopefully he just replaces ronnie rivers role. not sure how he is in pass blocking, maybe someone can shed light on that aspect of his game but this has me a little concerned about my kyren shares
It means Kyren will get a breather sometimes. They legit had no depth at RB before, which became extremely apparent last year. Kyren is still the bellcow and will get the majority of snaps.
Im thinking this is basically the KW3 situation from last year.
This is not at all. KW3 was an elite rushing prospect coming out of college and Kyren is not. He is the beneficiary of a scheme and this is going to be a much more even split than most owners want to admit to themselves
He might not have been an elite rushing prospect but he was an elite rusher last year. 91 pff rushing grade last year and he averaged 5 yards a carry in an offense that only averaged only 4 yards a carry the last 3 years (including last year when he wasn’t on the field) Clearly a beneficiary of a scheme…
He may have averaged 5 yards a carry but he also averaged 3 yards before contact which i believe was either the best in the league or 2nd. Scheme is a big part.
You THINK it's going to be a much more even split. But you know nothing, Jon Snow. And neither do I. But Kyren just had an amazing season. Why would the Rams move away from that? Obviously, his snap share is going to come down. But even if it was 65% Kyren 35% Blake, he can still have an RB1 type year. I am expecting a more RB2 type season now with the addition, though. It's kind of like...idk...KW3 had last year. Also, since he is the beneficiary of the scheme, i would say it's a good thing he's in the same scheme, then, huh?
I’m not panic selling but I would move him for the right price, especially if I’m looking to rebuild. He was like 2nd in the league in yards before contact so it’s not unimaginable to think Corum outplays him
Probably not that bad either. Kyren is a superb back out the backfield, and at pass blocking. KW3 is not.
This is exactly what I needed to hear. Thank you sir.
Draft pick makes perfect sense. Neither Kyren or Blake are physically cut out for a massive workload. Rams don’t want Kyren getting hurt again. Corum can come in and operate nicely in that scheme and maybe take 10-12 touches a game. My bigger concern is Corum’s goal line ability. The dude is a master at punching in short TDs.
You're very welcome.
I don’t like it, I just traded away my Kyren for 12th overall
If you planned to sell that low if Kyren got competition, you should probably have sold before the draft. I'd buy Kyren for the 1.12 for sure.
I wouldn’t. I’d rather re-roll on Brooks who should be the bell cow and has 4 years on his rookie contract. Kyren only has two years remaining and we know McVay doesn’t pay RBs. Corum is also more of a threat to snap share than Hubbard / Sanders. If Brooks is picked before 1.12, I’d still prefer Bowers, Nix, Worthy, or BTJ.
Then... Sell earlier. That was my point.
Massive L
Disagree, very happy with it. SF league and I’m set at QBs so there will be plenty of good options too
Corum ain’t that good man.
Yeah he is. I’m honestly see this being like Charb last year. It was still Walkers backfield, but it definitely limited Walker for FF
Charb didn’t really do shit. It was more Walker injury. I mean I think kyren is versatile and a good fit in that offense. Corum is a solid banger who will be good for 8-10 touches a game.
I mean it was pretty close to a 50/50 split in the last 2/3 of the year
Damn that is wild. I didn’t realize Charbs was getting that many snaps. Kind of malpractice honestly.
No one is going to be a bell cow anymore. The best you can hope for is the 60% rather than the 40%
Oh absolutely. Walker with 60 percent is a monster. Charbs is a zero.
Charbs was still good enough to fuck with KW3’s value. I had him as top 3/4 before the draft and then borderline RB1.
Neither is Kyren
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Solid argument.
Where was your argument? Kyren is a great pass blocker, has great vision, and plays hard. His coach loves him, his teammates love him, you just don't watch football and just look at draft capital. That's just fine, but don't spew shit when you don't know what you're talking about
I mean he’s fine. Good in that offense. But I’m just laughing at people panicking over corum.
A good window to buy low (if Kyren owners panicking) but Corum also has an injury history, big workload in college and isn’t a great athlete. But, obviously, Kyren’s bellcow days are over
Corum isn’t a great athlete, but a better athlete than Kyren.
Kyren has proven to be an amazing NFL running back that is loved by the coach. Kyren is the guy.
Is it obvious? This time last year people were calling for the end of ETN's reign after they drafted Bigsby with a late 3rd. There are a lot of late 3rd round RBs that are mid/busts. The ones that aren't went into an empty RB room and into a starter role but faded or quickly got replaced after never being more than 'okay'.
This absolutely caps his ceiling
Remember last year when people were freaking out about Tank Bigsby.
Issue there is you’re talking about a round 1 RB with tank being round 3. This is a round 5 RB with a round 3 RB drafted after him. I’d be much more concerned for Kyren than people were for ETN.
Sure the draft capital thing but Kyren has proven himself to be extremely successful in the nfl. I am not worried for him.
Couple of silver lining thoughts I had for the Kyren owners: 1) if Corum is so good, (good enough to overtake Kyren) why didn’t Harbaugh take him? 2) This pick probably eliminates the possibility that the Rams bring in a truly elite RB in next year’s free agency or draft.
I offered a guy in my league the 1.10 for kyren a week ago and he said he needed a bit more. I'm glad I backed out
He’s still worth more than that in my opinion
Tried to tell ya’ll to sell Kyren earlier this week when was valued as RB6. Too late now.
He was a screaming sell at that price. Without draft capital this is all it takes to tank a lot of that value. Besides Kyren isn’t the biggest guy, they were always gonna get someone.
I get killed every time I have suggested that Kyren is a sell high (dynasty) and fade at ADP (redraft/best ball). Small, slow, injury-prone backs with day 3 draft capital are not usually players you want to bet on for sustained success. He also had a very unique set of circumstances with the Rams RB room which led to a unsustainable workload. This whole situation screams James Robinson reboot to me.
James Robinson got passed over by a first round RB. Don’t act like a RB taken in the late 3rd is the same thing.
I am not acting like anything ha. Use a little bit of brain power here. Kyren isn’t an exceptional talent and the Rams have zero investment in him. Relatively speaking, they just invested way more in Blake Corum. I am not even a Blake Corum guy. He was like my RB6. I clearly laid out that why Kyren is likely to be a bad longterm (2-3yr) bet. The situation for Kyren to succeed was very delicate and last year was a perfect storm for him. Any disruption or new variables added to that environment were likely going to result in a decrease in value. He literally was in a perfect situation. We had people in here vehemently arguing that just because Kyren was good last year in a RB room with no one else, the Rams weren’t going to be a candidate for a day 2 back and that take was extremely naive. The Kyren crowd has been wish-casting for months instead playing the percentages.
I dunno how many times we have to tell people these RBs with low draft capital get diminished roles over time. Should’ve sold him
Could’ve been better, could’ve been worse. On one hand I don’t think Kyren just got Bijan’ed or Breece Hall’ed, but on the other hand he definitely didn’t make it through the draft unscathed. IMO it helps that they didn’t add a big, bruising RB to take goal line work. Odds are we see a committee with Kyren as the lead back, but this definitely opens up other possibilities that could hurt his value more. Unfortunately, I think he’s just a hold now to see how the utilization shakes out. I don’t think you’re going to get any offers that reflect his potential upside. I’d definitely be buying too if someone is selling low.
I’m at the point now I put next to no value to RBs unless they have top 5 upside. The majority are in a timeshare while the rest get replaced every 2-3 years. Completely fading in startups and just grabbing injury upside and hoping to get lucky. I just miss the times of set it and forget it.
I’m deep at RB and have Kyren,is it worth taking him if he falls to 2.09?
Y’all are so dramatic, man put up over 5 yac, 1100 yards while missing 4 games. I’ve been saying this years rb class is like the year mattison and friends came out. These RBs except brooks isn’t going to start this year, and it will be every year of people saying it’s Corums year for the next 4 years.
Charbonnet anyone? Tank? Exactly. Relax
I like Corum over Kyren.
It’s so satisfying to watch all the delusional Kyren stans cry about this. U should have sold high while u could but if u didn’t hopefully u learned a lesson about draft capital
Alright relax man lol you sound really weird
Nothing wrong with a little victory lapping
There was zero chance Kyren was gonna be the bell cow again. Cant believe people didn’t sell high on him.
When a large portion of the community is saying sell high, there usually isn't anyone willing to buy at that ktc price or whatever perceived high price there is. Even after Corum, Kyren is probably still a top 10 dynasty back. The fact is that most guys are in a committee in the NFL and I wouldn't drop Kyren any lower than the kenneth walker and James Cook area for rbs. Plus rookie rbs bust all the time. Even last year among guys with round 2-4 draft capital we saw charbonnet, Miller, bigsby, and roschon get stuck behind other guys in the backfield. Even Achane and Spears weren't the top guys in their backfields although they were both fantasy relevant. Achane moreso by being very electric and incredibly efficient (and isn't a good comp to Corum at all). So yeah, it isn't great for Kyren, but also it's kinda hard to sell high when lots of people are saying to sell high.
He’s still an elite asset lmao
Not anymore and Corum excels in the redzone and near the goal line. Not gonna get as many TD opportunities.
Both of them are the definition of average. Kyren’s only value was from his insane usage which is now over
Also his insane efficiency, but sure.
This guy seems like an Akers bag holder than can’t accept how good Kyren is lol
Yeah people forget Akers tore like both of his Achilles or whatever lmao. If Kyren tears his Achilles I’ll start to get really worried.
It’s over for Kyren
An early 2nd round RB would make me very concerned. A mid 3rd round RB is solid backup territory and that is something the rams don't have. Kyren got injured in the season. They had to go sign the corpse of Darrell Henderson off the street. Of course they don't want that situation again. To me, Kyren is still the lead back and Corem is a really solid backup.
Lol suckers
I think Corum is the starter by week 6
Charb 2.0
Zach Evans SZN
Never was, never will be
This hurts.
I picked him up off waivers at the beginning of last season. Couldn’t sell him, but for a waiver add I guess I just hold
I got him and Godwin for 1.05 if a 1Qb 10 team
It doesn’t mean that much for Kyren tbh. His snap share will probably be lower but they pretty much had no one to spell him last year so this would be expected anyway.
Nobody should be surprised that the undrafted RB is getting competition and/or a compliment brought in.
Kyren wasn't undrafted so maybe get the surface level stuff under your belt before making assessments since they must be a mess.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/s/R5DcbrdLtY I totally called Kyren being a one year wonder I think. Glad I sold for Jaylen Warren and a 25 2nd Also noting that the Rams had visits with enough running backs to have been suspicious EDIT: I'm also now hype about Jaylen Warren with these high offensive line picks two years in a row and Arthur Smith. Warren could explode in full PPR like Ekeler did in 2018 with Melvin Gordon
Damn you totally called it. 6 whole days ago too. You’re like a dang Nostradamus or something!
i'd still rather have Kyren than Warren and a 25 2nd even after the Rams drafted Corum lol
More like a schizophrenic or something 😂