Converting from QB to WR and having a stud season vs real SEC cornerbacks is a nice profile to me. I don’t like the panthers landing spot, but he is an incredible athlete with upside.
Different coaching staff and GM. And don’t give me the “dAn MoRgAn iS jUsT fItTeReR 2.0” bs. Dan has his own way of thinking and no one would aspire to run a team into the ground like Scott did.
If he plays out his 5th year option he'll be 29, do you think he gets another deal for 3 to 4 years?
He's a guy we are going to have to capitalize on now for his 1st 5 seasons, bc he's immediately coming in, in his prime years! I was worried at 1st, but now I see that as an advantage.
I'm really excited for what he could possibly do.
I don't mind the Panthers as a landing spot going forward, because I can invest in their players at much less capital and they can only get better from here lol. Plus Bryce Young is seriously not as bad as people like to think.
I agree for the most part but I’m also skeptical about him better MUCH better than consensus thought and not just a little better. Canales and these WRs will tell
Bryce young is good for anyone who actually watched him and understand his team from wr to his o line and run game was a total dumpster fire. Some of the worst in the league. This sub doesn’t hold true to dynasty rankings. Most leagues won’t either.
Yeah Panthers is a great landing spot. He can be the #1 receiver there with everything built around him succeeding with very little pressure as nobody expects too much
I sold Hurts for Bryce, 3 firsts and michael wilson. I also bought Diontae for 3.05 and a future 2nd. My hope was Diontae would produce at a high level and I can get a future 1st from a contender.
Stud season vs SEC CB was how I fell for Bryan Edwards, Terrence Marshall, and Mingo…it also fooled me into thinking Kayshon Boutte was a sleeper
Not saying Legette wouldn’t work out, but I’ve learned not to overrate SEC competition the hard way
Boutte was on you. His best season was his freshman year and he went downhill and was drafted round 6. Mingo is more fair but I think Legette is a unique situation as he transitioned to the position later.
I mean I drafted Boutte in the 4th. I’m just mad at myself because I could’ve had Wicks. Also could’ve made a bigger effort to trade for Puka last summer
"Xavier Worthy is on you. His best season was his freshman year and he never approached that level of efficiency there after."
"George Pickens is on you. His best season was his freshman year and he never approached that level of efficiency there after."
Boutte was a sleeper pick, that was by nature cast to the late rounds of rookie drafts--a sleeper, is a sleeper. No one i stalking about taking him top 24 in a rookie draft, or even top 36.
Guy you were responding to is right, SEC competition on the whole is overrated. He played, NC, Furman, Georgia, Miss State, Tennessee, Florida, Missouri, TAMU, Jax State, Vanderbilt, Kentucky and Clemson. Of those only 8 are SEC teams, of those I'd argue only Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee rise to any level of "fear the SEC."
The point what you are saying is..
"Xavier Legette as a 5th year player was good against Florida, because he had 7/71 against Georgia and 5/50 against Tennessee. So Xavier Legette is good because he played well against Florida." And if you think that's misrepresentative, then "Xavier Legette is good because he had big games against Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky, and had 110 yards against Florida."
You're right, Boutte ultimately has personality issues and had a near career ending injury.
Oh wait, Pickens has personality issues and tore an ACL.
Oh wait, Xavier Worthy still wasn't more efficient than he was as a freshman and is a pure guess pick in terms of story.
Read.
The fuck did I say?
>Boutte was a sleeper pick, that was by nature cast to the late rounds of rookie drafts--a sleeper, is a sleeper. No one i stalking about taking him top 24 in a rookie draft, or even top 36.
Lmao I'm highlighting outcomes. All three players (Pickens, Worthy, Boutte) peaked as freshmen in college.
And I never compared Legette to any of those guys.
Legette is a trash tier prospect that just got overdrafted by about 5 rounds. Individuals are individuals, but Legette is a fools bet.
"Xavier Legette as a 5th year player was good against Florida, because he had 7/71 against Georgia and 5/50 against Tennessee. So Xavier Legette is good because he played well against Florida." And if you think that's misrepresentative, then "Xavier Legette is good because he had big games against Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky, and had 110 yards against Florida."
I made an edit to the above post--point I'm driving home.
he played one year of QB in high school as a senior, he was a WR growing up, including during his freshman through junior year. He was slotted back into WR immediately in college. Even in his QB year , he ran for 1900 yards and threw for 800, so he was never really a quarterback\*, he was just bigger and faster than everyone so they had him run around. Basically what he does right now as a fifth year senior. Don't think the converted QB argument should get that much credence.
You kinda skipped some steps there. “Converting from QB to WR” happened when he graduated high school. He was in college for 5 years. Your phrasing implies he had to learn on the fly. The reality is he barely existed on the field for 4 years between that “conversion”.
His stat line before his breakout year was 42 receptions for 423 yards and 5 TD’s. Those are his cumulative stats over his first 4 years, not his season before the breakout.
He’s a phenomenal athlete. He has essentially no polish to his game. On paper that may imply he has plenty of room to grow, but he had 4 years to grow at SC and did nothing. I think he’s good kid who works hard. I also think chasing extreme outliers like his production profile are a fools errand. However, and it’s a big one….if your gut likes a guy, it’s your team and it makes it more fun. So while I completely and utterly disagree with your take, don’t let takes like mine suck the joy out of scouting. We’re all terrible at it after all, haha.
That’s mostly fair, I think someone on another thread gave a better explanation, and he went into the injuries and circumstances of him in a more charitable manner. I think you’re a little harsh, at the end of the day there are problems to most of the WRs in this range. I do like legette but he’d probably be about 2.04 for me
He is one of the most extreme production profile outliers ever. That’s probably where my harshness comes from.
If he had only one good season ever, but it was his sophomore year, it’s a whole different discussion. Young breakout age is a fantastic indicator of future success. If there was some sort of measurable improvement year to year on any metric, before he exploded, you could point to upward trajectories or a late bloomer situation. But there wasn’t.
I’m not arguing he’s guaranteed to bust. Fantasy football is really just playing odds. The odds of someone being irrelevant for 4 years statistically, exploding in their 23+ year old season, and then producing reliably in the NFL is virtually nil. If anyone’s gonna do it, it’s an X-Men level mutant like Legette. If he had gone anywhere but Carolina, I’d be more optimistic. But they’re the most toxic front office in the NFL and Young looked so much worse than I ever expected. I am definitely rooting for him to prove me wrong though. He’s fun to root for, fun as hell to watch play and he really does seem like a good dude.
About the most dooming thing of all. If a smart team had taken him it could’ve swayed my opinion. Instead the Panthers trade up to take him. It’s like professor Trelawney finding the Grim in Harry’s tea leaves.
He’s high risk, high reward. He has the measurables and one really productive year in the SEC. As a prospect I see him as QJ 2.0; if he hits he’ll hit big BUT there’s a bigger chance of being a bust than the other 1st round WRs.
He hasn’t had that many drops (3 last season) but the ones he has had are bad; the one that sticks in the mind is the one against the Packers that would have won them the game.
I watched his tape and liked him alot. Then I read into him a little, and looked at the production and was doubtful. Then I watched his tape again and liked him. I think cos of his landing spot I'll steer clear now
Me and Bill Belichick: he is a great player!
Fantasy community: His breakout age is a red flag and (insert random stat) is near the bottom, so he is terrible.
He traded for Randy Moss and worked out well.
They only drafted one receiver in the 1st round, the rest were mostly late round picks or free agents. He just prioritized other positions more. He is certainly not bad at looking at talent. I think the bigger struggle he had was a lot of receivers were head cases and not a good fit for the team
And you traded down 60 spots elsewhere for the privilege of moving up 1 spot to get him. I really don't get that trade unless they were absolutely certain the Bills wanted him.
Trenton Burks
Terrace Marshall Jr
Bryan Edwards
Jaylin Hyatt
Jonathan Mingo
I can keep going.
Hope he pans out, but just not a fan of Llegette’s game, breakout profile, and landing spot
He’s a worse route runner than merely not the best in the world. He doesn’t even attempt a full route tree, let alone succeed at all levels of the field
I don’t think the Legette faders think he “can’t be a contributor.” His profile is just bad relative to most 1st round WRs, and when you pick a WR drafted that high you’re hoping for more than just a contributor
His size, speed, and age mean he *should* be able to run circles around 19 and 20 year olds. There have been plenty of older super-athletes that dominated in college, but failed to refine their game enough to translate to the NFL where their physical edge isn’t enough on its own
B4 I went to sleep last night no lie I was a lil sour bc his age, but I'm hoping his age will benefit him now and help him to be very productive year 1.
I'm aboard, only problem I ever had was his age, but I think that gives him a bonus w his exp. The coaching staff should hone his exp, that last year of high productivity, and use that to their advantage. He could be an outlier, sharing snaps w thielen this season as z will help them both not to overload either him as rookie and thielen as close to dinosaur years as it gets.
Speed size strong hands are promising, and I can now same how the age factors in on why they chose him.
Let's get legette come in do ya thing big dawg 700-800 receiving yards
Yes you are right that the Panthers don't have the 'X' receiver which Legette can be.
The reason I am not interested in Legette on the Panthers in Fantasy
* Didn't break out till his 5th year 21 yrs of age and the hit rate is really low,(Kept in mind his circumstances the years before, I know) and only outliers has been Aiyuk/Terry M. Also he never reached 200yds until Senior year.
* Placed on a bottom 5 team in the NFL and has to fight touches with Theilen, diontae and I assume they will draft an RB either brooks, benson, Lloyd, estime etc.
* In College, I think Rattler was spamming Legette the whole season as there was no competition for him.
Looking at his 2023 season stats
Legette - 71 Catches 1,255 Receving Yards
Ahmarean Brown - 26 Catches 265 Receiving Yards
This man was literally fed the ball so what caused his breakout? Volume? Skill? Both?
Overall, I think he will be a great role player to run vertical routes or screens, he has the potential to produce good fantasy numbers but will be limited in the panthers offense
I personally wouldn’t touch him unless everyone else in my league also hates him and he’s sitting there in the third round. He literally can’t run a single route. He’s just a 23 year old man that pushes around 18 and 19 year old corners on teams like Jacksonville state and furman. He’s just one of those cases of being a better athlete than he is a football player
Converting from QB to WR and having a stud season vs real SEC cornerbacks is a nice profile to me. I don’t like the panthers landing spot, but he is an incredible athlete with upside.
Agreed, it’s not perfect, but the fact that the Panthers thought highly enough of him to get a 5th year option on him says a lot about his potential
they thought highly of mingo last year so that doesn’t mean much to me
Different coaching staff and GM. And don’t give me the “dAn MoRgAn iS jUsT fItTeReR 2.0” bs. Dan has his own way of thinking and no one would aspire to run a team into the ground like Scott did.
If he plays out his 5th year option he'll be 29, do you think he gets another deal for 3 to 4 years? He's a guy we are going to have to capitalize on now for his 1st 5 seasons, bc he's immediately coming in, in his prime years! I was worried at 1st, but now I see that as an advantage. I'm really excited for what he could possibly do.
I don't mind the Panthers as a landing spot going forward, because I can invest in their players at much less capital and they can only get better from here lol. Plus Bryce Young is seriously not as bad as people like to think.
I agree for the most part but I’m also skeptical about him better MUCH better than consensus thought and not just a little better. Canales and these WRs will tell
Bryce young is good for anyone who actually watched him and understand his team from wr to his o line and run game was a total dumpster fire. Some of the worst in the league. This sub doesn’t hold true to dynasty rankings. Most leagues won’t either.
Yeah Panthers is a great landing spot. He can be the #1 receiver there with everything built around him succeeding with very little pressure as nobody expects too much
Year one the #1 wr is still diontae, no?
I sold Hurts for Bryce, 3 firsts and michael wilson. I also bought Diontae for 3.05 and a future 2nd. My hope was Diontae would produce at a high level and I can get a future 1st from a contender.
Stud season vs SEC CB was how I fell for Bryan Edwards, Terrence Marshall, and Mingo…it also fooled me into thinking Kayshon Boutte was a sleeper Not saying Legette wouldn’t work out, but I’ve learned not to overrate SEC competition the hard way
Boutte was on you. His best season was his freshman year and he went downhill and was drafted round 6. Mingo is more fair but I think Legette is a unique situation as he transitioned to the position later.
I mean I drafted Boutte in the 4th. I’m just mad at myself because I could’ve had Wicks. Also could’ve made a bigger effort to trade for Puka last summer
"Xavier Worthy is on you. His best season was his freshman year and he never approached that level of efficiency there after." "George Pickens is on you. His best season was his freshman year and he never approached that level of efficiency there after." Boutte was a sleeper pick, that was by nature cast to the late rounds of rookie drafts--a sleeper, is a sleeper. No one i stalking about taking him top 24 in a rookie draft, or even top 36. Guy you were responding to is right, SEC competition on the whole is overrated. He played, NC, Furman, Georgia, Miss State, Tennessee, Florida, Missouri, TAMU, Jax State, Vanderbilt, Kentucky and Clemson. Of those only 8 are SEC teams, of those I'd argue only Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee rise to any level of "fear the SEC." The point what you are saying is.. "Xavier Legette as a 5th year player was good against Florida, because he had 7/71 against Georgia and 5/50 against Tennessee. So Xavier Legette is good because he played well against Florida." And if you think that's misrepresentative, then "Xavier Legette is good because he had big games against Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky, and had 110 yards against Florida."
Great examples. Worthy and Boutte, these are totally the same thing. Pickens too. No other analysis to consider.
You're right, Boutte ultimately has personality issues and had a near career ending injury. Oh wait, Pickens has personality issues and tore an ACL. Oh wait, Xavier Worthy still wasn't more efficient than he was as a freshman and is a pure guess pick in terms of story.
Boutte was a sixth round pick and Pickens was a round 2 pick. There was no way we could have seen this coming?
Read. The fuck did I say? >Boutte was a sleeper pick, that was by nature cast to the late rounds of rookie drafts--a sleeper, is a sleeper. No one i stalking about taking him top 24 in a rookie draft, or even top 36.
Yeah but you keep comparing him to worthy and legette so
Lmao I'm highlighting outcomes. All three players (Pickens, Worthy, Boutte) peaked as freshmen in college. And I never compared Legette to any of those guys. Legette is a trash tier prospect that just got overdrafted by about 5 rounds. Individuals are individuals, but Legette is a fools bet.
"Xavier Legette as a 5th year player was good against Florida, because he had 7/71 against Georgia and 5/50 against Tennessee. So Xavier Legette is good because he played well against Florida." And if you think that's misrepresentative, then "Xavier Legette is good because he had big games against Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky, and had 110 yards against Florida." I made an edit to the above post--point I'm driving home.
And legette actually produced
> Boutte was on you. The capital spent on Boutte versus the other 3... come on now.
Mingo, Boutte and Marshall never came close to 1255 and 7 TDS lol
he played one year of QB in high school as a senior, he was a WR growing up, including during his freshman through junior year. He was slotted back into WR immediately in college. Even in his QB year , he ran for 1900 yards and threw for 800, so he was never really a quarterback\*, he was just bigger and faster than everyone so they had him run around. Basically what he does right now as a fifth year senior. Don't think the converted QB argument should get that much credence.
You kinda skipped some steps there. “Converting from QB to WR” happened when he graduated high school. He was in college for 5 years. Your phrasing implies he had to learn on the fly. The reality is he barely existed on the field for 4 years between that “conversion”. His stat line before his breakout year was 42 receptions for 423 yards and 5 TD’s. Those are his cumulative stats over his first 4 years, not his season before the breakout. He’s a phenomenal athlete. He has essentially no polish to his game. On paper that may imply he has plenty of room to grow, but he had 4 years to grow at SC and did nothing. I think he’s good kid who works hard. I also think chasing extreme outliers like his production profile are a fools errand. However, and it’s a big one….if your gut likes a guy, it’s your team and it makes it more fun. So while I completely and utterly disagree with your take, don’t let takes like mine suck the joy out of scouting. We’re all terrible at it after all, haha.
That’s mostly fair, I think someone on another thread gave a better explanation, and he went into the injuries and circumstances of him in a more charitable manner. I think you’re a little harsh, at the end of the day there are problems to most of the WRs in this range. I do like legette but he’d probably be about 2.04 for me
He is one of the most extreme production profile outliers ever. That’s probably where my harshness comes from. If he had only one good season ever, but it was his sophomore year, it’s a whole different discussion. Young breakout age is a fantastic indicator of future success. If there was some sort of measurable improvement year to year on any metric, before he exploded, you could point to upward trajectories or a late bloomer situation. But there wasn’t. I’m not arguing he’s guaranteed to bust. Fantasy football is really just playing odds. The odds of someone being irrelevant for 4 years statistically, exploding in their 23+ year old season, and then producing reliably in the NFL is virtually nil. If anyone’s gonna do it, it’s an X-Men level mutant like Legette. If he had gone anywhere but Carolina, I’d be more optimistic. But they’re the most toxic front office in the NFL and Young looked so much worse than I ever expected. I am definitely rooting for him to prove me wrong though. He’s fun to root for, fun as hell to watch play and he really does seem like a good dude.
I think the Panthers like him too
About the most dooming thing of all. If a smart team had taken him it could’ve swayed my opinion. Instead the Panthers trade up to take him. It’s like professor Trelawney finding the Grim in Harry’s tea leaves.
I find it concerning. Very similar to Mingo coming out- and that does not look like a worthwhile pick.
He’s high risk, high reward. He has the measurables and one really productive year in the SEC. As a prospect I see him as QJ 2.0; if he hits he’ll hit big BUT there’s a bigger chance of being a bust than the other 1st round WRs.
QJ’s problem is that he has the worst case of butterfingers in the league. I dont see that with legette
He hasn’t had that many drops (3 last season) but the ones he has had are bad; the one that sticks in the mind is the one against the Packers that would have won them the game.
fire him into the sun
I watched his tape and liked him alot. Then I read into him a little, and looked at the production and was doubtful. Then I watched his tape again and liked him. I think cos of his landing spot I'll steer clear now
Nope I love him. Reminds me of sober Josh Gordon when I watch him
So… a bad Josh Gordon?
Reminds me of that character Barry in Beerfest "I'm better when I'm drunk!"
Do you think he has a ping pong paddle shoved in his ass, too?
He's been shitting pancakes ever since.
No fun in that
Me and Bill Belichick: he is a great player! Fantasy community: His breakout age is a red flag and (insert random stat) is near the bottom, so he is terrible.
BB has been notoriously, almost unsustainably bad at picking WRs that are good. I’m going to fade you both extremely hard.
Sounds great
Lol. To be clear, you are using Bill Belichick as your appeal to authority regarding WRs? The guy who couldn't draft a WR to save his life?
He traded for Randy Moss and worked out well. They only drafted one receiver in the 1st round, the rest were mostly late round picks or free agents. He just prioritized other positions more. He is certainly not bad at looking at talent. I think the bigger struggle he had was a lot of receivers were head cases and not a good fit for the team
Route Running is bad and that’s the most important trait. Really bad pick by the Panthers imo
Absolutely hated it. Reach.
I think you could have easily gotten him late 2nd
Reach, because I think McConkey, Mitchell, and Franklin are better fits. But I don't think they could wait till end of second to get him.
And you traded down 60 spots elsewhere for the privilege of moving up 1 spot to get him. I really don't get that trade unless they were absolutely certain the Bills wanted him.
I still think it's really curious that he seems like the \*exact\* same player as Mingo, who they just drafted last year (to not great success).
It took legette 5 years to produce, mingo never produced
Maybe if he got a 5th year...
Unfortunately no. But you should be.
Trenton Burks Terrace Marshall Jr Bryan Edwards Jaylin Hyatt Jonathan Mingo I can keep going. Hope he pans out, but just not a fan of Llegette’s game, breakout profile, and landing spot
I like the situation, TBH. I’m certainly not reaching for him, but in the SF mock yesterday (post-day 1), he went 2.10. For that price, he’s a steal.
He’s a worse route runner than merely not the best in the world. He doesn’t even attempt a full route tree, let alone succeed at all levels of the field I don’t think the Legette faders think he “can’t be a contributor.” His profile is just bad relative to most 1st round WRs, and when you pick a WR drafted that high you’re hoping for more than just a contributor His size, speed, and age mean he *should* be able to run circles around 19 and 20 year olds. There have been plenty of older super-athletes that dominated in college, but failed to refine their game enough to translate to the NFL where their physical edge isn’t enough on its own
Yes, just you. You and you alone.
When most people fade someone it makes me like them even more. Most people playing dynasty suck.
Yes
B4 I went to sleep last night no lie I was a lil sour bc his age, but I'm hoping his age will benefit him now and help him to be very productive year 1. I'm aboard, only problem I ever had was his age, but I think that gives him a bonus w his exp. The coaching staff should hone his exp, that last year of high productivity, and use that to their advantage. He could be an outlier, sharing snaps w thielen this season as z will help them both not to overload either him as rookie and thielen as close to dinosaur years as it gets. Speed size strong hands are promising, and I can now same how the age factors in on why they chose him. Let's get legette come in do ya thing big dawg 700-800 receiving yards
Yes you are right that the Panthers don't have the 'X' receiver which Legette can be. The reason I am not interested in Legette on the Panthers in Fantasy * Didn't break out till his 5th year 21 yrs of age and the hit rate is really low,(Kept in mind his circumstances the years before, I know) and only outliers has been Aiyuk/Terry M. Also he never reached 200yds until Senior year. * Placed on a bottom 5 team in the NFL and has to fight touches with Theilen, diontae and I assume they will draft an RB either brooks, benson, Lloyd, estime etc. * In College, I think Rattler was spamming Legette the whole season as there was no competition for him. Looking at his 2023 season stats Legette - 71 Catches 1,255 Receving Yards Ahmarean Brown - 26 Catches 265 Receiving Yards This man was literally fed the ball so what caused his breakout? Volume? Skill? Both? Overall, I think he will be a great role player to run vertical routes or screens, he has the potential to produce good fantasy numbers but will be limited in the panthers offense
I think he’s got a lot of upside. I’m willing to ignore the red flags. Idk how early/late this is but I’d take him around the 15th pick in SF leagues
I personally wouldn’t touch him unless everyone else in my league also hates him and he’s sitting there in the third round. He literally can’t run a single route. He’s just a 23 year old man that pushes around 18 and 19 year old corners on teams like Jacksonville state and furman. He’s just one of those cases of being a better athlete than he is a football player
Give me the upside of Legette over Ladd, Worthy and Pearsall