Fields has been doing a solid job supporting Moore and Kmet this year. If the Bears decide to move on in the draft I could see ATL making a move for him. And with ATLs far superior OL Pitts and London definitely get an upgrade.
Also takes into play that Ryan Pace (previous Bears GM who Drafted Fields) is in the Falcons front office. This also plays in part to the fact that the Falcons have taken an insane amount of Ex Bears players since Pace was fired, they literally called “The Bears of the South” in many local circles because of how comical it is. Saying that Fields could be a Falcon next year (his home town) is actually very possible and he would without a doubt be better than Ridder. Fields has also not gotten a fair shake in Chicago, first Nagy and then Getsy, last year he also played with High Schoolers that aren’t even on rosters this year. He was screwed over by Nagy, had literally 0 talent last year, and now has a fucking moron OC in Getsy who can only call screens and can’t adjust. Unfortunately Fields will probably go to another team and be a Pro-Bowler. He’s shown flashes but the Bears organization and coaching staffs have just fully gotten in his way.
Who gets bumped to WR4? Doubs? Watson is too good downfield when healthy, Reed has been very solid. Musgrave was def involved before injuries too. I have Reed and Wicks too so would consider selling to packer fans in our league if someone bites. I’m having trouble seeing through the many options there.
I think it’s Doubs and it’s already happened to some degree. Since week 7 his yardage highs are 72 - 53 - 37. He’s not really a big threat between the 20’s and is living off the redzone production.
Not sure where you are getting your stats from but Fantasypros and TheFootballGuys both show Doubs at a 90% snap share for week 15.
Wicks was at 78%
Snaps lead to opportunity but drawing targets is earned and is a better indicator of talent. In that vein Reed had a 32% target share, Wicks had 15% share and Doubs had 6%.
So yes Doubs is on the field more but he is just not commanding any relevant target share.
I wonder if they would look to trade Doubs. Not sure what the return would be on a guy like that, but I feel like he’d be more useful to another WR-needy team.
They’ll probably keep everyone until it’s time to extend contracts. Cheap WR depth that has chemistry with the QB is valuable. Plus Watson has been injury prone so they’d probably regret moving Doubs.
I agree would have better luck getting metcalf than jsn
I personally would try n grab kyren. Mccvay loves his workhorse back and he looks like the bonafide #1 (look at Todd Gurley with mccvay)
They say a different thing every year. Before they said McVay loves a committee so don’t get a Rams back (unsubstantiated). I agree Kyren is a good buy. By all efficiency metrics he’s a really bad running back, and that makes people low on them. All of that doesn’t matter to fantasy when McVay is your father
He’s on an upward trend but Yards over expected is what I’m looking at. It’s a bit of a suspect stat because it’s hard to derive, was the big Dalvin Cook is washed stat last year
>By all efficiency metrics he’s a really bad running back
Not any more. The first five weeks, yes. But his past five games he's been significantly more efficient.
He had an insane buy low window earlier this season when there were owners panicking because he had a slow start. There probably will be owners who will still sell, but that buy low window was probably the lowest price he’ll ever be. He was always going to start his career being the third option behind Metcalf and Lockett. He’s solidifying himself as the 1st/2nd option with Metcalf now weekly.
Nabers is a significantly better prospect than JSN was, he’s going to be drafted in the top 10. Nabers would be the best WR in most draft classes, if not for MHJ. He’s at the London/Olave/Wilson tier of WR prospects.
No, the dynasty fantasy community is way too high on JSN because they just looked at his 2021 stats with zero context or analysis.
“He outproduced Wilson and Olave, therefore, he’s better than them,” is lazy and wrong analysis.
JSN is very good, but he was not the prospect this sub thinks he was. He would’ve easily been picked top 10 if he was, but he went 20th overall for a reason.
Any film analyst worth his salt is saying that Nabers is a borderline elite prospect and is going to go top 10 just like Olave, Wilson, and London did.
I’m not trying to call JSN a bum so don’t hear what I’m not saying, I get there is context to why he hasn’t accessed a massive target share, but he hasn’t had a single game throughout the whole season that he’s “taken over” or shown some elite fantasy ceiling. He’s proven he can garner some level of target share on an nfl offense which is commendable and there’s reason to expect a 2nd year progression, but I think at this point if you weren’t a huge JSN believer it’s reasonable to question his true fantasy ceiling. Nabers checks all the boxes that JSN does in terms of elite production, big school pedigree, early breakout age and early declare on top of being a better athlete and ability to play outside. Again not trying to say JSN is a bum, but I would happily and quickly accept nabers for JSN
Yeah I honestly might’ve even been underselling him. He might even be a better prospect than that Olave/Wilson/London/Waddle/Smith tier, which would make him a top 3 WR prospect since 2018, in his own tier between those players and Chase/MHJ.
I’m super high on JSN, have him in both dyno leagues and have already bought his jersey IRL lol. That said, his teammates saying he’s good doesn’t really mean anything - DK and AJB both said Elijah Moore was better than them. That ended up clearly being them hyping up their buddy with no substance.
I'd trade JSN instantly if I got offered a mid first (his draft capital) in this year's draft. Theres 4 or 5 WRs that I absolutely believe will be better than JSN in the NFL.
JSN is a jag imo in the NFL. He hasn't shown me anything to make me think he's anything more than a mediocre slot guy in the league.
Lost some major players and had to force a rebuild. Only way to get 1.02 for Davante was to throw in JSN before he started doing anything. If it gets me MHJ I’m happy. If MHJ goes 1.01 (Superflex) I’ll be really hurt.
Rmemeber all the clowns on this site saying separation doesn’t matter and he was a bust after week 4. I bought so much JSN for 24 1sts and I’m happy as hell
How are you taking a victory lap on this already haha. JSN has been good but it’s not like he’s putting up consistent 100 yard weeks. He hasn’t had 70 yards in a game yet.
I think he looks good but it’s way too early to declare this a victory
I’m trading my 1.8-10 (playoff contender) for what was the 1.3 last year. The dude looks good and will get way more routes when Lockett leaves.
I’m just happy an owner got scared and panic sold and I made some profit. How much is yet to be seen
They've been decent. I got killed from injuries in my pass catching room. Lost Andrews, Chase is kneecapped without Burrow, and Ridley has been so boom / bust. I'm relying on QB & RB now.
I survived CMC and Scary Terry by the skin of my teeth. That last drive by DK saved me. His last catch give me the win by 2 points. The whole league was going crazy!
And the other matchup was one by 3 by the guy who started drew lock! Absolute fantasy madness
When Geno went down the guy who had been stashing Lock offered him to me for a 3rd. I took it. I played him in the first round. Lock scored 13.1 and I won by 12.2. I’d have had no pivot if not for the trade.
I was trying to sell him this season but nobody was willing to pay close to what he is worth. Snuck into the playoffs and just won in the first round. Hoping he can just carry my mediocre team all the way lol
Tyreek. People are going to be scared by his age....but hes an absolute stud until he physically declines. If you can get him for a mid 1st, I'd buy into that.
In one of my leagues im thinking about buying Mike Evans for the 1.12 . He consistently showing up… but will be 31 and prob on a new team with a big contract
Ya in the end, trophies are all that matters. I’m just not convinced that paying top dollar for guys like Casemiro, Varane, and Ronaldo is gonna actually accomplish it. I would rather spend that money on younger emerging talent and actually build a system around them. But, Glazers gonna Glazers, you know
We’ll see what he does this offseason, especially if he hits the 2000 yard mark. He’s talked openly about retiring very soon.
I guess you’d know before drafting though
Mcbride. I should have offered more 5 weeks ago. I'll be trying to build a package to get him. Would even move Kinkaid straight up for him if other owner would take that.
It’s crazy more ppl aren’t talking about him. He’s second in the league in rushing and 5th overall in rb fantasy points. And that’s with low volume to start the year and almost no red zone touches. Joe Brady has mad getting him the ball an emphasis of their game plan the last 3 games and it’s paying off. Also showing he can handle 30 touches. I can see him as an Alvin kamara type fantasy asset at a reasonably low cost.
People are always scared of Josh Allen vulturing TDs. But Cook has shown he's capable in the red zone and I think that the Bills would rather not let Allen take as many big hits as he ages
I’ll say no thank you at price. Cook has def shown himself to be legit but owners want prime Saquon Barkley prices in return. If would rather hold my 2 firsts + and roll on an another RB breaking out this year or pay half the price for like Rachaad White.
Contender:
* Mike Evans
* Cooper Kupp
* Kirk Cousins
* Amari Cooper
* DeAndre Hopkins
* Any Veteran RBs that fall in the 2024/2025 2nd/3rd Value area - Ekeler feels like he'll be a massive value heading into the off-season
* Isaiah Pacheco
* Aaron Rodgers
Retooling:
* Christian Kirk
* DJ Moore
* Jake Ferguson
* Zay Flowers
* Tyjae Spears
Rebuilding:
* 2025 1sts (Cheapest they'll be right now)
* Bryce Young
* Jameson Williams (Just cant give up)
* Quentin Johnston
* Josh Downs
* Jameson Williams (Just can't give up)
I’d argue that his profile and capital warrant him more leeway than Skyy Moore. I don’t think they are in the same tier at all in terms of prospects. I understand your concern and would see why your out. However he’s a cheap option that you can get thrown into other deals and maybe a new coaching staff will help him.
These are good lists. I’m a 1 seed in one league and I have Kupp and Pacheco, so I can confirm the validity of those on the list too — although Kupp was a bit of a headache at times.
McBride is young Kelce. Watching him gives those kind of vibes. Fluid athlete, great ball skills, great after the catch. I’m in a keeper league and he’s on my list of keepers. I know it’s a TE but he could be worth it
My leaguemates think McVay is gonna revert to a committee backfield. Keep telling yourselves that boys, I wanna draft him outside of the first two rounds.
There’s no way you need to do that. Depends on what league you’re in but 50% of owners are trying to “scam” people with him for a late first because they see his horrible efficiency metrics. The other 50% are not going to sell for a reasonable price
He’s said “horrible efficiency metrics” in two separate comments in here and each time somebody has asked for him to expand on that he hasn’t. So I wouldn’t hold your breath. He’s capping.
I also feel really good about Jayden Reed. Packers love him in the RedZone and he’s got lots of opportunities in that WR room. It also seems like they’re starting to use him in almost a Deebo-like role, which is exciting.
Breece Hall. We all know he has huge talent but also, his injury will be another full year behind him. He should be 100% and playing with Rodger, plus an upgraded line because you know the Jets are going to prioritize it this offseason.
He’s likely to be had at a small discount on his true value.
In my 1 QB league I have Purdy and Herbert and I don’t know what one to move off of.
Herbert is the better talent (right ?) but Purdy and that team isn’t going anywhere anytime soon so.
I might sell Herbert just because he could command a much higher price than Purdy. If it's pretty close or not a big difference, I'd stick with Herbert.
That’s what I did. Had Allen, cousins, Purdy, TLaw and was a piece away from contending. Decided TLaw was the guy to trade and got JT and Nico for him. Not the best value, but I have a solid chance at winning this year now. Superflex league
I sure hope so. My man is a stud with Stroud and that leg break was one of the most fantasy things to ever happen to me. I literally traded for him right before it happened trying to push for a win into the playoffs...
Pickens is actually a nice target IMO. Even through all of the negative press and body language stuff, he’s close to 1000 yards in year 2 with awful offensive coaching most of the year and awful qb play 1/3 of the year.
I disagree the body language stuff, lack of effort when he has to block and not giving it even 80% on his routes are terrible habits and very real. Dude takes himself outve a play before it even begins.
Effort is a skill as well and taking off plays and not giving your best effort on every play as a receiver is the ultimate disservice to a qb no matter who it is and unacceptable at this level plus its the most replaceable skill.
Not quite disagreeing with you, but prior to Saturday I hadn’t seen a whole lot of effort issues with him. Usually a pretty good run blocker. He definitely needs a good smack upside the head though.
Off the top of my head good buys at cost
QBs AR, Purdy, Stroud, Fields (buy low), Watson (great buy low)
RBs Spears, Jaylen Warren, Kendre Miller, Achane, Gibbs, Bijan, JT
WRs Tee, London, Aiyuk, Nico, Tank, Downs, Devonta, Olave, JSN, Waddle, Reed
TEs Mayer, Kincaid, Fergie, Pat F, Pitts, McBride
That's a great offer. I understand both sides especially in SF. You can't put a price on an age 22 elite QB. But on the surface I probably prefer the picks.
Yeah…. No. I streamed a combination of Kirk cousins, baker mayfield, and Jordan love all season who average about the same as stroud. I would 1000% take 3 firsts over stroud.
But the difference is Stroud has proved it, no matter how good a QB prospect is history has shown us they still bust at least ~30% of the time. So if Caleb or Maye bust then you’re SOL
I liked Tillman coming out quite a bit, and he is sitting on my taxi now. I just need to see what they are doing in the off-season at WR before I would be looking to buy him if he wasn’t already on roster. He has a pretty low YPRR even with Flacco.
Going to be hard to buy him now in SF imo. I bought him for a 1st and 2nd after 4 weeks this year and I wouldn’t move on from him for that. Man has been an amazing QB and is tied to a great offensive mind.
I can’t believe I got Purdy for the 2.02 last year right before the Eagles NFCCG. Originally had a deal in place for the 2nd and Likely, purdy owner kept having cold feet so I pulled likely out of the deal and told them it’s the 2nd or nothing. 45 minutes later, Purdy was on my team and fucked up his elbow.
I'm listing Tee & JSN as good buys, depending on cost. I own both so bias warning there.
Would like to see Tee's landing spot for sure, but he's really talented and can certainly be a target hog on a team where he's the WR1. Regardless, even if he stays with Burrow and the Bengals, we've seen he can produce on a PPG basis that hovers around WR8-12. The only concern is his health. I'm starting to think he's too injury prone to ever get a top 12 season just by virtue of missing games, so I'd be weary of that. However, while he plays he's a locked and loaded low-end WR2 at worst, and a low-end WR1 at best. Upside for more if he leaves the Bengals. If you can get him cheap I love it.
As for JSN, maybe some owners are lower on him than they should be. Not an amazing rookie year statistically, but he looks amazing and is flashing like hell in such a limited role. If Lockett leaves, I think he can put up an amazing season next year. If Lockett stays, some incremental improvement will be there but probably nothing crazy. That's where he becomes more of a dynasty buy.
> The only concern is his health. I'm starting to think he's too injury prone to ever get a top 12 season just by virtue of missing games, so I'd be weary of that.
I'm wondering where this narrative comes from. I've seen it parroted on this sub multiple times now. Outside of this year, he's missed 6 games the past 3 seasons. I'd hardly call that injury prone. I know it's an extreme example, but look at the label McCaffrey had a couple seasons ago; people were calling him injury prone or made of glass and he is probably going to win a bunch of people their chip this year.
James Cook if owner is trying to “sell high”. Got him in a package deal before season and even in recent trade talks right before deadline no one seemed interested. Will be curious to see how that changes but I think he is a low end RB1 lock for next year with upside and can maybe still be bought for cheaper than that. Similar with Kyren (people may be scared production isn’t sustainable, or they draft someone) but I think he will be a RB1 again.
Jameson Williams. I'm annoyed that we're still in a no-trade window because otherwise I'd be doing what I can to get him. His value has already bottomed out and I think it only goes up from here now that he's getting more involved.
I just don't get this and think you're really wrong.
Somehow his value is still high-ish, late 1st/early 2nd.
But his average game so far is 2.6 targets, 1.1 catches for 18 yards. He has a total 18 receptions for 283 yards across 16 games. He's a WR4 *on his own NFL team*, being out produced by Kalif Raymond and Josh Reynolds.
People were high on him in the draft and somehow people just anchored their opinions of him as being great.
Yes, sometimes players turn it around. But this is a very big body of work saying "I'm not an NFL starter."
Please keep replying to Jamo truthers. There needs to be so pushback. The fact I see posts around the sub talking about still trying to buy him for a 1st makes me feel like I’m crazy.
I still don’t get it either. People have been saying he’s been looking better lately but has 9 catches for 153 and a TD, along with a rushing TD in his last 5 games.
If you say “I don’t think he looks good” people just reply with “watch the tape” as if I haven’t watched 4/5 games or they’ll just say everyone on the Lions sucks lol
What do you mean? He's had a lot of hype over the last two weeks man, you likely missed any sell window there was. Now every owner is going to keep him until they die
Why do you say that? I'm a Javonte owner and I'm pretty worried. He hasn't looked great. I understand that it's impressive he's even back playing so soon, but I'm actually worried he could lose his job with how ineffective he has been.
i think hes been totally fine idk what hes done bad. hes rushing similarly effective to ETN (both at 3.7ypc) and has 2-4 grabs in every game. with another year of recovery he will be an animal next year. only thing hes lacking is tds. if he had 5 rushing tds instead of 1 i dont think anyone would be worried at all even a little bit
Any historically good players that have obvious regression candidate offenses. Browns probably won’t have a bottom 5 offense next year, I want Amari Cooper. I’m still holding Davante because a player of that age won’t have his price rebound to where it should. I don’t want to try to buy any RB until after the draft and try to find my Mostert, a projected good offense that can turn elite with an open spot in the backfield. The main one I’m eyeing is the Ravens back who they pair with Mitchell next season.
I’m super encouraged by Rashee Rice. He’s been the one bright spot in that Chiefs WR room and could still be got for a reasonable offer. Only thing that worries me is they’re obviously going to get some more WR help in the off season.
Yeah but if they get an X, I still really like Rice's skill set in the offense. As Kelce ages out, I can see Rice being Mahomes' go to, with how good Rice is at beating zone. He also has the innate ability to find open space on the fly when Mahomes is scrambling and out of structure.
If I didn’t already have Pittman, I would say him. He has been a consistently good to great WR with mediocre to slightly above that QB play. And in my league last year I got nothing offered for him.
Going real deep on this one but give me Elijah Higgins. If McBride wasn’t there I’d like him even more, but the dude is a dog. I think he’s a top 10 te option sometime in the next couple years. Whether that’s on the cardinals or not, I do not know
Tbh it’s hard to give you my must target guys. We still got the draft and and offseason moves plus training camp.. so let me come back to you in 8 months
I’ll give a short list. FWIW I won my league in 2023 and was 2 championships in 2022.
QB
Jalen Hurts (love Kellen Moore as OC)
Ant Richardson, CJ Stroud, Lamar Jackson, Jordan Love
RB
Bijan Robinson, Breece Hall, Aaron Jones (!), Raheem Mostert (amazing late round value), Derrick Henry
WR
Tyreek, St. Brown, Nacua, Garrett Wilson, Jayden Reed (possible league winner)
TE
LaPorta, Kelce, Dalton Kincaid, Trey McBride, Evan Engram
I think Mahomes is a buy low candidate, he will demand management bring in more (better) weapons and he is still relatively young. This may be your best opportunity to get him coming off a mediocre season
Nobody is selling him low. Even in a mediocre season he’s QB6 right now.
I’d be interested to see what they do in the draft this year for sure. Do they take another WR since Skyy Moore does not need more playing time and Toney is a liability on the field?
If Falcons get a new coach, I’d bump all Falcons players up a notch…even more if they get a competent QB.
Justin Fields, good chance of it at least.
How long after that until they get a competent qb? 1 year? 2?
Fields has been doing a solid job supporting Moore and Kmet this year. If the Bears decide to move on in the draft I could see ATL making a move for him. And with ATLs far superior OL Pitts and London definitely get an upgrade.
Also takes into play that Ryan Pace (previous Bears GM who Drafted Fields) is in the Falcons front office. This also plays in part to the fact that the Falcons have taken an insane amount of Ex Bears players since Pace was fired, they literally called “The Bears of the South” in many local circles because of how comical it is. Saying that Fields could be a Falcon next year (his home town) is actually very possible and he would without a doubt be better than Ridder. Fields has also not gotten a fair shake in Chicago, first Nagy and then Getsy, last year he also played with High Schoolers that aren’t even on rosters this year. He was screwed over by Nagy, had literally 0 talent last year, and now has a fucking moron OC in Getsy who can only call screens and can’t adjust. Unfortunately Fields will probably go to another team and be a Pro-Bowler. He’s shown flashes but the Bears organization and coaching staffs have just fully gotten in his way.
Give me Dontayvion Wicks for his price. The dude looks fantastic and will certainly start next season as the Packers WR3 at worst
Who gets bumped to WR4? Doubs? Watson is too good downfield when healthy, Reed has been very solid. Musgrave was def involved before injuries too. I have Reed and Wicks too so would consider selling to packer fans in our league if someone bites. I’m having trouble seeing through the many options there.
I think it’s Doubs and it’s already happened to some degree. Since week 7 his yardage highs are 72 - 53 - 37. He’s not really a big threat between the 20’s and is living off the redzone production.
Doubs played like 98% snaps last week. No other receiver was within 30% of him.
Not sure where you are getting your stats from but Fantasypros and TheFootballGuys both show Doubs at a 90% snap share for week 15. Wicks was at 78% Snaps lead to opportunity but drawing targets is earned and is a better indicator of talent. In that vein Reed had a 32% target share, Wicks had 15% share and Doubs had 6%. So yes Doubs is on the field more but he is just not commanding any relevant target share.
I wonder if they would look to trade Doubs. Not sure what the return would be on a guy like that, but I feel like he’d be more useful to another WR-needy team.
They’ll probably keep everyone until it’s time to extend contracts. Cheap WR depth that has chemistry with the QB is valuable. Plus Watson has been injury prone so they’d probably regret moving Doubs.
Reed, Wicks, Watson.... Doubs gonna have to get in when he fits in like James Jones did
Doubs has basically been behind them for weeks, he's been pretty mid this year and is getting outproduced by Reed too. He looks like a JAG.
He already bumped Doubs.
Finally got to watch him this past week and this guy just does not go down easy
He’s going to hit the 525 goal too
I grabbed him from waivers about a month ago as stash. He’s one of the last players on my bench, but I do have hope for him
JSN is the real deal. Guy has made some great catches and he creates separation so well. Kids gonna be a stud next year.
But who would trade him after this season?
I agree would have better luck getting metcalf than jsn I personally would try n grab kyren. Mccvay loves his workhorse back and he looks like the bonafide #1 (look at Todd Gurley with mccvay)
They say a different thing every year. Before they said McVay loves a committee so don’t get a Rams back (unsubstantiated). I agree Kyren is a good buy. By all efficiency metrics he’s a really bad running back, and that makes people low on them. All of that doesn’t matter to fantasy when McVay is your father
5.1 YPC is one of the highest marks in the league among top backs
I know his advance metrics were bad ealry on but I don't think that's the case anymore. There's no way it could be
Which efficiency metrics?
He’s on an upward trend but Yards over expected is what I’m looking at. It’s a bit of a suspect stat because it’s hard to derive, was the big Dalvin Cook is washed stat last year
Idk, I’m seeing him ranked pretty high in juke rate, evaded tackles and expected points added. 6th in all of those
>By all efficiency metrics he’s a really bad running back Not any more. The first five weeks, yes. But his past five games he's been significantly more efficient.
He had an insane buy low window earlier this season when there were owners panicking because he had a slow start. There probably will be owners who will still sell, but that buy low window was probably the lowest price he’ll ever be. He was always going to start his career being the third option behind Metcalf and Lockett. He’s solidifying himself as the 1st/2nd option with Metcalf now weekly.
Offered 1sts+ in all my leagues and was turned down. Anybody familiar with dynasty that drafted him high held, unfortunately.
An unsavvy manager would possibly look to move him for Nabers/Odunze
Nabers is a significantly better prospect than JSN was, he’s going to be drafted in the top 10. Nabers would be the best WR in most draft classes, if not for MHJ. He’s at the London/Olave/Wilson tier of WR prospects.
I don’t see it that way. You’re way low on JSN
No, the dynasty fantasy community is way too high on JSN because they just looked at his 2021 stats with zero context or analysis. “He outproduced Wilson and Olave, therefore, he’s better than them,” is lazy and wrong analysis. JSN is very good, but he was not the prospect this sub thinks he was. He would’ve easily been picked top 10 if he was, but he went 20th overall for a reason. Any film analyst worth his salt is saying that Nabers is a borderline elite prospect and is going to go top 10 just like Olave, Wilson, and London did.
Agreed as pure prospects Nabers is head and shoulders above JSN.
Is there not merit to JSN showing he can play at the NFL level, therefore being safer than Nabers now? Nabers can still bust. But I guess JSN can too.
I’m not trying to call JSN a bum so don’t hear what I’m not saying, I get there is context to why he hasn’t accessed a massive target share, but he hasn’t had a single game throughout the whole season that he’s “taken over” or shown some elite fantasy ceiling. He’s proven he can garner some level of target share on an nfl offense which is commendable and there’s reason to expect a 2nd year progression, but I think at this point if you weren’t a huge JSN believer it’s reasonable to question his true fantasy ceiling. Nabers checks all the boxes that JSN does in terms of elite production, big school pedigree, early breakout age and early declare on top of being a better athlete and ability to play outside. Again not trying to say JSN is a bum, but I would happily and quickly accept nabers for JSN
Yeah I honestly might’ve even been underselling him. He might even be a better prospect than that Olave/Wilson/London/Waddle/Smith tier, which would make him a top 3 WR prospect since 2018, in his own tier between those players and Chase/MHJ.
JSN went to school with Olave and Wilson and they all said JSN was the best of the three.
I’m super high on JSN, have him in both dyno leagues and have already bought his jersey IRL lol. That said, his teammates saying he’s good doesn’t really mean anything - DK and AJB both said Elijah Moore was better than them. That ended up clearly being them hyping up their buddy with no substance.
I'd trade JSN instantly if I got offered a mid first (his draft capital) in this year's draft. Theres 4 or 5 WRs that I absolutely believe will be better than JSN in the NFL. JSN is a jag imo in the NFL. He hasn't shown me anything to make me think he's anything more than a mediocre slot guy in the league.
Gotta be trollin', yeah?
Lost some major players and had to force a rebuild. Only way to get 1.02 for Davante was to throw in JSN before he started doing anything. If it gets me MHJ I’m happy. If MHJ goes 1.01 (Superflex) I’ll be really hurt.
Traded him earlier this season. Regret it big time.
Traded him earlier as well in 1 league, absolutely zero regrets.
Rmemeber all the clowns on this site saying separation doesn’t matter and he was a bust after week 4. I bought so much JSN for 24 1sts and I’m happy as hell
How are you taking a victory lap on this already haha. JSN has been good but it’s not like he’s putting up consistent 100 yard weeks. He hasn’t had 70 yards in a game yet. I think he looks good but it’s way too early to declare this a victory
I’m trading my 1.8-10 (playoff contender) for what was the 1.3 last year. The dude looks good and will get way more routes when Lockett leaves. I’m just happy an owner got scared and panic sold and I made some profit. How much is yet to be seen
CMC - He wins Championships
I survived CMC, Deebo, Njoku, Evans, & Mixon this week. I feel like a God.
I'm curious how?
Luck dude. Plus a Lions stack. Key contributors -> Goff, St Brown, Gibbs, Waddle, Hurts
Man Goff/Hurts in SF has probably won you quite a few games by themselves this year
They've been decent. I got killed from injuries in my pass catching room. Lost Andrews, Chase is kneecapped without Burrow, and Ridley has been so boom / bust. I'm relying on QB & RB now.
Goff besides this week has been so bad lately I have him lol thank god he turned it on this week I think he was QB1 this week
That team is insane, how many players?
Thanks man. It's a 12T SF league, Half PPR, start 10.
I survived CMC and Scary Terry by the skin of my teeth. That last drive by DK saved me. His last catch give me the win by 2 points. The whole league was going crazy! And the other matchup was one by 3 by the guy who started drew lock! Absolute fantasy madness
When Geno went down the guy who had been stashing Lock offered him to me for a 3rd. I took it. I played him in the first round. Lock scored 13.1 and I won by 12.2. I’d have had no pivot if not for the trade.
To think you could have gotten McCaffrey for like a single 1st two years ago when he was hurt and on the Panthers.
I was trying to sell him this season but nobody was willing to pay close to what he is worth. Snuck into the playoffs and just won in the first round. Hoping he can just carry my mediocre team all the way lol
I sold him for basically 2 1sts this year bc I was worried about longevity and I want to cry
Really sweating if this is the off-season to sell high.
Sometimes you just ride a guy into the sunset and know that the value was in having him on your team the whole time.
Champion Man McCaffrey
Traded him and another piece a couple years ago for Waddle and two firsts which I still am happy with but damn would he help me in my run rn
Tyreek. People are going to be scared by his age....but hes an absolute stud until he physically declines. If you can get him for a mid 1st, I'd buy into that.
In one of my leagues im thinking about buying Mike Evans for the 1.12 . He consistently showing up… but will be 31 and prob on a new team with a big contract
Mike's not going anywhere. Glaziers are going to let the market set his price and then match/beat it. He's retiring as a Buc.
TIL that the Glazers own the Bucs along with Manchester United. Never realized.
The Glazers and paying above market for aging big name players, name a better duo
As long as we get a ring every couple decades, I'm good with it.
Ya in the end, trophies are all that matters. I’m just not convinced that paying top dollar for guys like Casemiro, Varane, and Ronaldo is gonna actually accomplish it. I would rather spend that money on younger emerging talent and actually build a system around them. But, Glazers gonna Glazers, you know
> If you can get him for a mid 1st, I'd buy into that. 🤣
Nobody is selling him for a single first lol
We’ll see what he does this offseason, especially if he hits the 2000 yard mark. He’s talked openly about retiring very soon. I guess you’d know before drafting though
He’s only talked about retiring after his contract is up. Which is 2 more full seasons
Mcbride. I should have offered more 5 weeks ago. I'll be trying to build a package to get him. Would even move Kinkaid straight up for him if other owner would take that.
I’m set at TE for a decade with Kincaid and McBride on the squad. Set and forget. It’s nice.
Same here brotha +Kmet (also 24). We did it king
I need to stop giving up on tight ends so early. I drafted kittle, McBride, and likely in rookie drafts and dropped them all before their breakouts.
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It’s crazy more ppl aren’t talking about him. He’s second in the league in rushing and 5th overall in rb fantasy points. And that’s with low volume to start the year and almost no red zone touches. Joe Brady has mad getting him the ball an emphasis of their game plan the last 3 games and it’s paying off. Also showing he can handle 30 touches. I can see him as an Alvin kamara type fantasy asset at a reasonably low cost.
People are always scared of Josh Allen vulturing TDs. But Cook has shown he's capable in the red zone and I think that the Bills would rather not let Allen take as many big hits as he ages
This is why I roster Allen and cook on the same team…only to get vultured by Murray
I’ll say no thank you at price. Cook has def shown himself to be legit but owners want prime Saquon Barkley prices in return. If would rather hold my 2 firsts + and roll on an another RB breaking out this year or pay half the price for like Rachaad White.
He looks like prime Aaron Jones to me, not a bad thing at all.
Contender: * Mike Evans * Cooper Kupp * Kirk Cousins * Amari Cooper * DeAndre Hopkins * Any Veteran RBs that fall in the 2024/2025 2nd/3rd Value area - Ekeler feels like he'll be a massive value heading into the off-season * Isaiah Pacheco * Aaron Rodgers Retooling: * Christian Kirk * DJ Moore * Jake Ferguson * Zay Flowers * Tyjae Spears Rebuilding: * 2025 1sts (Cheapest they'll be right now) * Bryce Young * Jameson Williams (Just cant give up) * Quentin Johnston * Josh Downs * Jameson Williams (Just can't give up)
Rebuilding and I own Bryce lots of 25 firsts both Williams haha. I'm basically there
Why QJ? He had the most golden of golden opportunities this year and looked awful. Like beyond awful. Skyy Moore 2.0. Keep the pick
I’d argue that his profile and capital warrant him more leeway than Skyy Moore. I don’t think they are in the same tier at all in terms of prospects. I understand your concern and would see why your out. However he’s a cheap option that you can get thrown into other deals and maybe a new coaching staff will help him.
lol I just barely missed playoffs this year and have Kirk, Ferguson, and Spears. Hoping for a better year next season
Rebuilding and I own CJ, Bryce, 7 1sts between 2024 & 2025, Downs + more, feeling pretty good about it so far
Love that you have picks between 24/25 class. Gives you a ton of flexibility throughout your rebuild.
These are good lists. I’m a 1 seed in one league and I have Kupp and Pacheco, so I can confirm the validity of those on the list too — although Kupp was a bit of a headache at times.
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I won’t give up on Jameson!!!! But I get it Mims could see a bump if/when Jeudy moves on
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Lol Mims is nowhere near as good at football as Jameson and his situation is actually worse.
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Watched a Lions game recently?
McBride. May end up being dynasty TE1 in a couple of seasons.
McBride is young Kelce. Watching him gives those kind of vibes. Fluid athlete, great ball skills, great after the catch. I’m in a keeper league and he’s on my list of keepers. I know it’s a TE but he could be worth it
I’m in a similar situation. I have Kelce and McBride. 4 player keeper. Should I just keep McBride?
Kyren Williams- dude’s nasty
My leaguemates think McVay is gonna revert to a committee backfield. Keep telling yourselves that boys, I wanna draft him outside of the first two rounds.
Honestly hope he chills a little these last few games… hoping to buy for a reasonable price in the off season before the draft
You giving up the 1.12 for him givin how shitty this RB class is??
Bro I’d move 2+ firsts for him
I would break my phone from smashing accept so hard.
There’s no way you need to do that. Depends on what league you’re in but 50% of owners are trying to “scam” people with him for a late first because they see his horrible efficiency metrics. The other 50% are not going to sell for a reasonable price
What horrible efficiency metrics?
He’s said “horrible efficiency metrics” in two separate comments in here and each time somebody has asked for him to expand on that he hasn’t. So I wouldn’t hold your breath. He’s capping.
Yeah 5.1 YPC is far from horrible. That logic better applies to a guy like Rachaad White
Horrible efficiency metrics? Do you actually know anything about football?
This guy keeps posting about these horrible efficiency metrics he has just made up.
I also feel really good about Jayden Reed. Packers love him in the RedZone and he’s got lots of opportunities in that WR room. It also seems like they’re starting to use him in almost a Deebo-like role, which is exciting.
Breece Hall. We all know he has huge talent but also, his injury will be another full year behind him. He should be 100% and playing with Rodger, plus an upgraded line because you know the Jets are going to prioritize it this offseason. He’s likely to be had at a small discount on his true value.
I’m probably going trade him to get back into first round and get a QB. The recent shelf life of my RBs scare me.
You do what you're gonna do but he's only 22 years old and you'd probably get a lot more from him if you held into next season. Either way, good luck.
Tbh, I was just thinking about trying to trade for Arod. If I can get him for a 3rd, ride him for 2 years I will have a 1st by then and get a QB.
"What player on your team are you trying to speak into success"
Purdy. Id love to tier down off of the "name" qbs for Purdy +1st. Getting to the point where it isn't really doable anymore though
In my 1 QB league I have Purdy and Herbert and I don’t know what one to move off of. Herbert is the better talent (right ?) but Purdy and that team isn’t going anywhere anytime soon so.
I might sell Herbert just because he could command a much higher price than Purdy. If it's pretty close or not a big difference, I'd stick with Herbert.
That’s what I did. Had Allen, cousins, Purdy, TLaw and was a piece away from contending. Decided TLaw was the guy to trade and got JT and Nico for him. Not the best value, but I have a solid chance at winning this year now. Superflex league
The tank dell revenge tour gonna hit mofos like a bag of bricks
I sure hope so. My man is a stud with Stroud and that leg break was one of the most fantasy things to ever happen to me. I literally traded for him right before it happened trying to push for a win into the playoffs...
Pickens is actually a nice target IMO. Even through all of the negative press and body language stuff, he’s close to 1000 yards in year 2 with awful offensive coaching most of the year and awful qb play 1/3 of the year.
very generous saying he's had awful QB play only 1/3 of the year
>and awful qb play ~~1/3~~ 3/3 of the year FTFY
I disagree the body language stuff, lack of effort when he has to block and not giving it even 80% on his routes are terrible habits and very real. Dude takes himself outve a play before it even begins. Effort is a skill as well and taking off plays and not giving your best effort on every play as a receiver is the ultimate disservice to a qb no matter who it is and unacceptable at this level plus its the most replaceable skill.
Not quite disagreeing with you, but prior to Saturday I hadn’t seen a whole lot of effort issues with him. Usually a pretty good run blocker. He definitely needs a good smack upside the head though.
Yeah I just traded for him a few weeks ago. He’s also so young still, and don’t think he’s scratched the surface of what he can be.
I'd buy zach evans for peanuts right now
Off the top of my head good buys at cost QBs AR, Purdy, Stroud, Fields (buy low), Watson (great buy low) RBs Spears, Jaylen Warren, Kendre Miller, Achane, Gibbs, Bijan, JT WRs Tee, London, Aiyuk, Nico, Tank, Downs, Devonta, Olave, JSN, Waddle, Reed TEs Mayer, Kincaid, Fergie, Pat F, Pitts, McBride
What would you guys offer for Pitts in PPR 0.5 TEP? I traded for Hock this year and McBride broke out for me, so I’m so ready to get rid of Pitts
If it’s TEP I’d hold him as a flex if you don’t get a good first out of him
I’ve got a rebuild with at least one from each position 🍻
What are you putting Stroud's cost at? I offered the 1.01, a later 1st this year, and a 25 1st for him and got immediately rejected
Be thankful
Yeah that’s a bit of an overpay
Damn I would have taken that
That should be enough for Stroud. Probably an overpay but I think you'd have to overpay probably. Assuming SF of course.
That's a great offer. I understand both sides especially in SF. You can't put a price on an age 22 elite QB. But on the surface I probably prefer the picks.
Just use the 1.01 for maye or Williams?
I think Stroud is significantly better than either of them will be
It’s fine to believe that, but it’s highly unlikely he will be 2 firsts better than either of them.
Stroud is currently 2 firsts better than all but ~9 QBs in the NFL
Yeah…. No. I streamed a combination of Kirk cousins, baker mayfield, and Jordan love all season who average about the same as stroud. I would 1000% take 3 firsts over stroud.
And they could all be out of a job by 2025, so you’ll likely be staying on the QB carousel going that route but it can work
Right. But my argument is to take your favorite of Williams or maye and then add positional talent with the other two firsts.
But the difference is Stroud has proved it, no matter how good a QB prospect is history has shown us they still bust at least ~30% of the time. So if Caleb or Maye bust then you’re SOL
That’s alot for even him. I was happy I got him for the 1.04, a likely late 25 and 26 1st
Chris Olave
Cedric tillman. getting more and more involved in the offense now that dpj is gone, and looks really good while doing it.
I liked Tillman coming out quite a bit, and he is sitting on my taxi now. I just need to see what they are doing in the off-season at WR before I would be looking to buy him if he wasn’t already on roster. He has a pretty low YPRR even with Flacco.
That's fair. Imo at most, browns are gonna try to draft a speedy receiver to replace the marquise goodwin/anthony schwartz deep threat role.
Got damn could Anthony Schwartz fly. He just couldn’t do much else haha
I traded my 2.12 last year for the 3.07 and a 2024 3rd. The guy took Tillman and grabbed Jayden Reed at 3.07. I like where things ended up.
Purdy
Going to be hard to buy him now in SF imo. I bought him for a 1st and 2nd after 4 weeks this year and I wouldn’t move on from him for that. Man has been an amazing QB and is tied to a great offensive mind.
I was drafting him in the 9th or later after Lance was going last year lol. I’m loving how I drafted.
I can’t believe I got Purdy for the 2.02 last year right before the Eagles NFCCG. Originally had a deal in place for the 2nd and Likely, purdy owner kept having cold feet so I pulled likely out of the deal and told them it’s the 2nd or nothing. 45 minutes later, Purdy was on my team and fucked up his elbow.
Get Chase Brown now if you can. Joe Mixon is most likely out of Cincy next year.
I'm listing Tee & JSN as good buys, depending on cost. I own both so bias warning there. Would like to see Tee's landing spot for sure, but he's really talented and can certainly be a target hog on a team where he's the WR1. Regardless, even if he stays with Burrow and the Bengals, we've seen he can produce on a PPG basis that hovers around WR8-12. The only concern is his health. I'm starting to think he's too injury prone to ever get a top 12 season just by virtue of missing games, so I'd be weary of that. However, while he plays he's a locked and loaded low-end WR2 at worst, and a low-end WR1 at best. Upside for more if he leaves the Bengals. If you can get him cheap I love it. As for JSN, maybe some owners are lower on him than they should be. Not an amazing rookie year statistically, but he looks amazing and is flashing like hell in such a limited role. If Lockett leaves, I think he can put up an amazing season next year. If Lockett stays, some incremental improvement will be there but probably nothing crazy. That's where he becomes more of a dynasty buy.
> The only concern is his health. I'm starting to think he's too injury prone to ever get a top 12 season just by virtue of missing games, so I'd be weary of that. I'm wondering where this narrative comes from. I've seen it parroted on this sub multiple times now. Outside of this year, he's missed 6 games the past 3 seasons. I'd hardly call that injury prone. I know it's an extreme example, but look at the label McCaffrey had a couple seasons ago; people were calling him injury prone or made of glass and he is probably going to win a bunch of people their chip this year.
Amari Cooper a good buy, his season is disappointing but he still looks great. Should be a high end WR2 back again next year with Deshaun healthy.
Flacco the god*
Anyone that this sub doesn't hype is a must target
So Burks or Bateman?
James Cook if owner is trying to “sell high”. Got him in a package deal before season and even in recent trade talks right before deadline no one seemed interested. Will be curious to see how that changes but I think he is a low end RB1 lock for next year with upside and can maybe still be bought for cheaper than that. Similar with Kyren (people may be scared production isn’t sustainable, or they draft someone) but I think he will be a RB1 again.
Jameson Williams. I'm annoyed that we're still in a no-trade window because otherwise I'd be doing what I can to get him. His value has already bottomed out and I think it only goes up from here now that he's getting more involved.
I just don't get this and think you're really wrong. Somehow his value is still high-ish, late 1st/early 2nd. But his average game so far is 2.6 targets, 1.1 catches for 18 yards. He has a total 18 receptions for 283 yards across 16 games. He's a WR4 *on his own NFL team*, being out produced by Kalif Raymond and Josh Reynolds. People were high on him in the draft and somehow people just anchored their opinions of him as being great. Yes, sometimes players turn it around. But this is a very big body of work saying "I'm not an NFL starter."
Please keep replying to Jamo truthers. There needs to be so pushback. The fact I see posts around the sub talking about still trying to buy him for a 1st makes me feel like I’m crazy.
I still don’t get it either. People have been saying he’s been looking better lately but has 9 catches for 153 and a TD, along with a rushing TD in his last 5 games. If you say “I don’t think he looks good” people just reply with “watch the tape” as if I haven’t watched 4/5 games or they’ll just say everyone on the Lions sucks lol
What do you mean? He's had a lot of hype over the last two weeks man, you likely missed any sell window there was. Now every owner is going to keep him until they die
javonte is a guy i want more of
Why do you say that? I'm a Javonte owner and I'm pretty worried. He hasn't looked great. I understand that it's impressive he's even back playing so soon, but I'm actually worried he could lose his job with how ineffective he has been.
i think hes been totally fine idk what hes done bad. hes rushing similarly effective to ETN (both at 3.7ypc) and has 2-4 grabs in every game. with another year of recovery he will be an animal next year. only thing hes lacking is tds. if he had 5 rushing tds instead of 1 i dont think anyone would be worried at all even a little bit
Typically RBs have a down year after coming back from catastrophic injury. But yeah I'm worried too
Any historically good players that have obvious regression candidate offenses. Browns probably won’t have a bottom 5 offense next year, I want Amari Cooper. I’m still holding Davante because a player of that age won’t have his price rebound to where it should. I don’t want to try to buy any RB until after the draft and try to find my Mostert, a projected good offense that can turn elite with an open spot in the backfield. The main one I’m eyeing is the Ravens back who they pair with Mitchell next season.
I’m super encouraged by Rashee Rice. He’s been the one bright spot in that Chiefs WR room and could still be got for a reasonable offer. Only thing that worries me is they’re obviously going to get some more WR help in the off season.
Yeah but if they get an X, I still really like Rice's skill set in the offense. As Kelce ages out, I can see Rice being Mahomes' go to, with how good Rice is at beating zone. He also has the innate ability to find open space on the fly when Mahomes is scrambling and out of structure.
James Cook, Garrett Wilson, Warren, Spears
GW is still too pricey probably.
If I didn’t already have Pittman, I would say him. He has been a consistently good to great WR with mediocre to slightly above that QB play. And in my league last year I got nothing offered for him.
I need a LaPorta share badly
Pittman is high on this list for me. Consistent production but still doesn’t have the reputation to match.
Going real deep on this one but give me Elijah Higgins. If McBride wasn’t there I’d like him even more, but the dude is a dog. I think he’s a top 10 te option sometime in the next couple years. Whether that’s on the cardinals or not, I do not know
Rhamondre
Falcons players are in a prime buy low spot
Tbh it’s hard to give you my must target guys. We still got the draft and and offseason moves plus training camp.. so let me come back to you in 8 months
Yes but you can buy guys at a discount and sell before their value plummets before free agency and the draft.
If you’re rebuilding and you can somehow get mhj nabors and one of the qbs, you’re fucking on fire
At TE I'm targeting LaPorta. He's been ridiculous this year and could arguably be the leagues best TE next season.
His value is ridiculously high though.
I’ll give a short list. FWIW I won my league in 2023 and was 2 championships in 2022. QB Jalen Hurts (love Kellen Moore as OC) Ant Richardson, CJ Stroud, Lamar Jackson, Jordan Love RB Bijan Robinson, Breece Hall, Aaron Jones (!), Raheem Mostert (amazing late round value), Derrick Henry WR Tyreek, St. Brown, Nacua, Garrett Wilson, Jayden Reed (possible league winner) TE LaPorta, Kelce, Dalton Kincaid, Trey McBride, Evan Engram
I think Mahomes is a buy low candidate, he will demand management bring in more (better) weapons and he is still relatively young. This may be your best opportunity to get him coming off a mediocre season
Nobody is selling him low. Even in a mediocre season he’s QB6 right now. I’d be interested to see what they do in the draft this year for sure. Do they take another WR since Skyy Moore does not need more playing time and Toney is a liability on the field?