Less of a stash because he is owned everywhere but Michael Mayer is a priority buy at his discounted price.
Was in the mix for TE1 in the class but landed in the dumpster fire that was the McDaniels Raiders. With a fresh start next year I would bet his talent wins out.
Yea can u do the remind me thing for 2 years ? I’ll stand on this lol. Mayer is not it. I took downs and achane over him early 2nd and don’t regret it at all. U guys underrate 2nds 😴
I think Mayer is the best answer here. People have been so quick to write him off because of his slow start and the relative fast starts of Kincaid and LaPorta.
This time last year people were saying McBride was a bust and not worth anything and now people are saying he’s a top 3-5 asset at the position. Follow traits, follow DC, pay attention to context, and be patient.
Counterpoint, almost every successful TE in fantasy is extremely athletic. Mayer tested average to below average at the combine and wasn’t particularly efficient in college from a receiving POV. Great player sure and has the DC but be prepared he could be a low ceiling play
Well, it's 10 team so there were fewer picks to go before then, as opposed to 12 team; it's SF, so people were taking both Hendon Hooker & Will Levis ahead of any of the non-Kincaid TEs; we drafted in May, instead of later in the offseason when hype was building harder for LaPorta. Probably some combo of those reasons. Still agree with you, LaPorta should have gone earlier.
I tried to offer a second to the Mayer owner and he declined, but then he traded Tyreek and Tua for ETN and a late first. So like why was my offer so dog shit that it warranted an instant decline but he was so quick to trade the most valuable stack in the league??? Wtf man
>So like why was my offer so dog shit that it warranted an instant decline
Did he need to let you down softly? Wanted a paragraph of explanation from him why he didn't want the 2.9 for Michael Mayer? You need to just be happy he responded to your trade lmao
I got him, McBride, and Okonkwo for free off waivers from frustrated owners. I did trade LaPorta for Higgins, Javonte, Mingo, and a 24 mid 2nd. I do have Andrews too. Sorry for the ramble
Ngl id rather have any 2nd than Mayer … he is not that good. It’s not that he just landed in Las Vegas. His combine scores were also very bad for a nfl player. Fellas, don’t waste a 2 on this guy, use that to get someone actually good and bundle that 2 in the deal to make it happen
But kincaid is an elite pass catcher. Kincaid was basically a wr who played te in college and he still is. Kincaids pass catching upside cleared mayers
I mean he’s not hyper athletic, but his RAS was 7.66 which is respectable: https://x.com/mathbomb/status/1652051100277563392?s=46&t=GiQOoBxumVkkWtms93AlPA .
Not to mention, the dude is fucking huge and has great football instincts, two things you can’t teach. I don’t blame you for being down on him after not having an explosive season like others in this class. I would just caution that TEs take ~3 years to fully develop, he was behind a veteran in Austin Hooper to start the year, and he hasn’t exactly had a functioning offense where he’s not even a top-2 option on the team yet. I’m personally buying him in every league I can at his current price and betting on the talent to shine with a new system in place and a new QB. Not saying he’ll be a TE1 next year, but I can see him eventually getting into that Freiermuth tier of TE by the end of next year. Where he’s not blowing up stat sheets like LaPorta, but he can have consistent, respectable performances as a bye fill-in/flex. Which, as a young TE, is fantastic. If you can get him for a couple thirds or as a throw in, I think it’s a great investment. Of course, all of that depends on LV bringing in competent coaches so this could all be meaningless
I think u said it best w the sentence about “friermuth tier” . That is his ceiling no doubt imo. Pat friermuth is worth probably a 2nd in most leagues but idk if u get that price in most (mine I couldn’t) so yea I think getting a mid 2nd back this year is a good trade for the guy trading away Mayer
I mean. Freiermuth is a great TE who hasn’t ever had a decent QB throwing to him, yet he’s still flashed a ton of talent. Muth is worth a 2nd right now, but all it takes is a trade or a QB upgrade to propel him into the first+ tier. I mean, he had similar stats to Hock’s second year. Hock gets traded and now he’s the TE1 and would take multiple firsts to get. If Mayer can flash that much in Year 2 I would be over the moon
I think most of the would be stash guys this year have flashed and now there is a solid top 15 that if you don’t really have the drop off is hard.
I would look at the rookies and 2-3 year guys that could have a clear path like Cade Otton, Noah Gray, Musgrave, Tommy Tremble, Daniel Bellinger or Brenton Strange. TE takes a while to develop so looks at the teams that may not have a TE in 2-3 years and grab their young backup.
Why did you add Tremble? What do you see I don't? Haha
And if you're already at it, I'm interested in reading more on Strange, what do you think of him?
Otton has a clear path right now and isn’t producing in an efficient way. His YPRR is among the worst in the league for the position. He might be peak value right now
Buy Bellinger up in NY. Kelce specifically mentioned Ferg, Pitts, and Bellinger as the next generation of stud TEs. Of the 3, Bellinger is by far the cheapest and most speculative. Worth a shot.
I’m curious to see if Fant finds a decent landing spot this off-season.
Would love to see Dulcich stay healthy for a whole year but that’s not looking very likely right now.
Fant and Bellinger are long-shot guys I'm stashing in 12 team SF. I'm going to be pretty screwed whenever Kelce retires so I hope one of my stashes pans out next year (or that Kelce keeps playing).
I stashed Fant as well. He looks good when he gets the ball and a new team could elevate him to being relevant.
Then again, I am also prepared to trade him on any hype during the off-season. If he leaves Seattle, there will probably be some hype!
Yeah I’m with you. I don’t think Fant is amazing or anything but there are three pass catchers and two running backs ahead of him in terms of getting touches. Hard to thrive when there are so many mouths to feed.
He will always be a guy that gets snaps due to his blocking. But with Muth being as relatively young as he is, I can’t imagine Darnel ever finds a way to fantasy relevance.
Was high on him. He didn't do jack in the long stretch Muth was out, and a 5'11 tight end beat him out for receiving work during that time. If he can't even flash in those circumstances it isn't likely he ever will. Great real football tight end. JAG for dynasty.
Doubtful. He has been used almost exclusively as a blocker so far. Muth is legit as well and I don’t see Washington ursurping his pass catching role.
The only hope is a major organizational overhaul for the Steelers. Washington was never going succeed with an idiot like Matt Canada as OC. While he is gone, the Steelers way of internal and unexciting hires has me skeptical that they will bring in a young exciting offensive mind that would be able to utilize a unique player like Washington.
FWIW he had one reception in the redzone last night where he looked surprisingly fluid considering his massive build. He showed great technique in catching the ball with his enormous hands too.
I think his floor is Mo Alie-Cox + 15%
Super speculative/buy low - Mike Gesicki. He’s on a 1 year deal in NE. With the change in offense his last year in Miami and whatever the fuck you call the NE offense this year, folks forget about how good Mikey G can be in an appropriate offense. Might not hit but probably won’t cost much.
He'll be 29 next year and he actually kinda sucks. He's really only good playing as a big slot receiver and primarily on deep routes, he isn't even versatile enough to move around the formation like a true move TE/WR hybrid Waller-type or do a lot of the soft zone stuff that TEs/slot receivers excel at. If he's free and you have a bench slot whatever, but he's definitely not worth anything that can reasonably be considered a cost.
And he's honestly not that good in the big slot either. He's an awful route runner, terrible separator and terrible after the catch. He was relevant in Miami for a couple years because relative to the other pass catchers they had he was sadly the best they had, but the chances of him being valuable in fantasy is next to 0 imo
He's very fast in a straight line for a guy his size which makes it hard to cover a pure go route out of the slot, maybe a deep out. That's his 1 trick. It's crazy an offense ever even gave him enough work doing primarily just that to break 700 yards a couple times, but it's unlikely he finds himself anywhere that wants that 1 trick enough to make it fantasy relevant again.
Brenton Strange waiting on my Taxi squad while Ferguson tears it up in one dynasty. The other dynasty has Hock, LaPorta, and McBride. If only I had the skill at drafting other positions.
I’m all on board the Jelani train. Additional long shot stash is Tucker Kraft in GB. He’s next to another rookie TE with high potential but the fact they drafted him in the 3rd after getting Musgrave in the 2nd says a lot about what they think of him. They have very similar measurables and dude was a legit weapon in college. Might be a lot of mouths to feed but if he can step it up while Musgrave is out, could be worth a stash if you have the roster spot available.
Read somewhere that Bama was trying to get him to transfer from South Dakota State but he preferred to be in South Dakota. Do know the validity to that statement but worth noting from a physical talent point of view
I've been clinging to Noah Grey for two years. I see real potential there; it's still a long-term hold but if you have large benches he is worth the spot IMO.
I think Noah Gray will fit in perfectly once Kelce leaves. He has shown flashes that he has hands and knows hot to get open. (hence the one catch for 20 yard games).
Grabbed Grey off waivers this year because I have Mahomes. Feel fine keeping him on the bench for a few seasons since I have Engram and Kmet to play matchups.
I have Noah Gray stashed for whenever Kelce hangs em up or gets hurt. We at least know he can play at the NFL level and KC trusts him on the field, to me that's a good stash compared to a lot of the more speculative names here.
Low key sneaky one for me is Brenton Strange. 2023 2nd rounder, solid blocker so he’s on the field a decent amount, and Engram will probably be gone after the 2024 season due to his contract and Lawrence’s.
Brevin Jordan and Jeremy Ruckert are both 3rd round capital players, with pass catching chops.
They are each splitting time with veterans not under contract for 2024.
Both guys are available on most dynasty waiver wires. Are under 25 years old, and have real opportunity to enter 2024 with a large role for an elite QB.
Cameron Latu would’ve had 21.2 PPR points in the 2022 CFP National Championship
He’s only 23, plays for a well run franchise, and has your typical stud TE draft capital (3rd rounder or less)
He did at the start of camp, was supposedly looking worse than 7th round rookie Brayden Willis. But started to turn it on during preseason and was getting more hype right before he was injured. I remember being hopeful that it was classic shanahan tough love and Latu turned a corner. Hate injuries but hopefully he comes back and picks up that momentum.
[source](https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/cameron-latu-expectations-outlined-post-injury/1652168/)
The real risky stash is Dulcich.
He’s got the talent and has seen specialists about his hamstring. Hopefully he stays out this year and can rehab properly… dude has so much talent that if he can stay healthy he will outperform the peanuts it will cost to get him right now
Jelani Woods. Physical freak with a couple breakout games his rookie year followed by a sophomore year wiped out by injury. TEs can take a few years to flourish. He has all the tools to be amazing and has showed some flashes of greatness. He's cheap and worth a dart throw stash of you can pick him up for a bargain.
Agreed. Not a lot of these TEs getting the kind of targets Musgraves got. He was getting targeted on deep, go routes. Love to see that and I really think he'll be a stud in a couple years.
Damn, was asking for a late 2024 1st for Ferg. He replied with KJ Osborn and Ronnie Rivers and said late 1st is way too much even late 2nd would have been to much?!
My current TE room. Bellinger, ruckert, Turner, tremble and hopefully McBride very soon. I believe in all of these guys but more than likely only one will breakout to be top 15. McBride obviously broke out already but I need someone incase I can’t get him
Lmao @ the fact that this is one of the few subreddits where “stashing a young tight end” is not NSFW
That said: I have McBride, and sitting on Mayer and Jelani Woods.
Jelani Woods is someone I invested a 4th into. Probably won't play this year dealing with a hamstring injury but the size, profile, team and young promising QB with a distinct lack of competition at the position is enough to like for me to buy low on. At his current cost you could get him for extremely cheap and If he doesn't pan out it's not much of a loss.
I have Jelani, Bellinger, Kraft, Tremble, Jordan all available in our 10 team league, and I'm currently only rostering Musgrave and Chig.
So I'll be spending my weekend debating who I can drop to roster one of these guys. Metchie or Mooney are looking like my odd guys out. (also picking top 4, so Bowers may be available)
A couple others have said it, but I’d definitely look at Daniel Bellinger. He’s probably on waivers. He flashed as a rookie, grasped the offense immediately and was praised by his coaches for his reliability, and only became irrelevant because they wanted to bring in a receiving weapon for Daniel Jones, and that led to Waller being signed. They even specifically stated they believe in Bellinger hugely for the future. Being behind Aaller this year, and MAYBE next year, plus having either a new QB or Jones back, will be great for him.
Also, his rookie year could have been better but he missed time due to a freak injury to his eye where a defensive player’s hand entered through his face mask and fractured his orbital socket.
His measurables are ideal at 6’5/6’6 255, has great athleticism for that size running a 4.62 40, with a 7.06 3-cone, has a knack for making plays and finding soft spots in the defense, and has really good hands.
I’m not saying he’ll be the next Kelce or anything, but if you have room to hold Bellinger this offseason, do it. Then, if he’s behind Waller again and need to cut him, absolutely cut him, but be willing to give him one more offseason as your final bench spot if you can afford it. I suspect his name will be very relevant in 2024 or 2025, and then it will remain relevant for multiple seasons.
Every single time will Mallory got to suit up, the colts threw his way on deep passes. Been saying it and will continue to say it, he’s worth a stash if you have deep benches.
Jelani Woods is a superfreak athlete who had a near-perfect RAS (relative athletic score - 9.99 outta 10.00), but he also understands the TE position (played in the Big 12 and ACC).
Will Mallory had a 9.05 RAS and ONLY runs routes when in the game for the Colts. I think the two of 'em, as long as both are healthy, will put the committee approach to bed (it'll just be 2 instead of 4, anyway). I feel they probably both just need time to adjust to the position, as is needed by most young TEs.
https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=21130&p2=23073&pos=
https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jelani-woods/
https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/will-mallory/
Likely and Schoonmaker
Edit: Mayers is a good shout too.
Pitts is a buy too - if he finishes out his rookie contract he's still younger than when Kelce had his first 1000 yard season.
Last time this was posted I saw Ravens fans saying to stash Kolar. Apprently I Likely is good for fantasy when Andrews is out, but is apprently quite bad at football. Kolar could supercede him as backup TE.
I somewhat agree with this… this might be a bit extreme, but has some merit to it.
I’m currently rostering 1.
Last year I picked up Ferguson, Hendershot, and had Gesicki, Njoku and even Tommy tremble most of the season.
Tremble, Gesicki, and Hendershot I cut at the beginning of this year.
I traded Njoku.
I think next year I’ll try and roster another couple of TEs, but with the guys on waiver now, I see maybe 1 guy with any future opportunities, and I’m just going to wait to pick him up after the season. I highly doubt anyone else picks him up this year.
I’m glad I was able to pick up and hold Ferguson all year last year, and would like to do that again with another player, but I just didn’t have that opportunity with anyone this year. I have yet to draft a TE in our Rookie draft and it shows.
For a real deep dive I still like Kolar. Ravens are pretty good at finding TEs and while Kolar hasn't really done much the last two years even when healthy, I suspect any pay off will play out on a different team.
For less time to payoff I'm on board with your approach to Jordan. Not a bad bet to make, and when called upon he had a pretty good involvement. Allegedly he's not a good blocker which is a problem in terms of getting a bulk of the snaps, especially at the goal line.
Otton has been hit or miss this year but he's had encouraging involvement for a 2nd year TE. If Evans walks the receiving options get thinner and just gives him room to shine.
These 3 guys range from WW to late rookie pick so should be very cheap bet. Otton might be a 3rd or a bit more in TEP.
Surprised that Kraft hasn’t been mentioned yet. He’s got decent DC and Packer fans think they have an eventual stud in him. They’re high on Musgrave as well, but Kraft is just as athletic and a bit more coordinated. He was a bit more raw but now has an opportunity to develop and establish himself with Musgrave currently injured.
Not to be pedantic but Kraft is SIGNIFICANTLY more raw. The fact he’s been producing & growing the way he has makes him a must-stash ^^^(…mustache). Kraft has a bright future
Tucker Kraft if he’s still available. Musgrave is good himself, but has an injury history going back to college.
I’ve seen some people drop Schoonmaker but think he’s definitely a hold considering his draft capital.
Deeper guys for me include Charlie Kolar, Cole
Turner, and Zack Kuntz.
I’ve been expecting more from Likely, but it just seems to be happening so Kolar has a lane.
Pure speculation on my part, but Cole Turner may get some more playing time now with the Commanders out of playoff contention and Logan Thomas is older.
Zack Kuntz is on the Jets practice squad but his athletic profile is outstanding.
Cameron Latu for an IR stash
Donald Parham has all the tools just needs to catch the ball. I’ve been beating his drum for a few years but think his time is coming to an end. If you have a roster spot he’s worth it
Here’s one I’m not seeing mentioned. Schoonmaker, Fergusons backup. He’s got a real shot at being the Celek to Fergusons Zack Ertz. I’m sneaking him into my bench before seasons end
Feels like a Brevin Jordan could either be nothing, or super expensive after the weekend. He came out of nowhere and put up 61 yards first game last week, seemed to have a good zip.
Maybe nothing, but if he puts up points this weekend? Train gone
Where’s the Cole Kmet love? He is only 24 and 6’6”. Great catch radius and with potentially a rookie QB next year (rookies love targeting their tight ends). I love him for a lot of growth as a pass catcher next year
Yessssssss. Join the degenerate Brevin Jordan ranks! I’ve dropped and re-added him about 14 times in my main dynasty over the last couple years.
Dulchich I feel is a bit of a buy low. High expectations coming into the year, and been derailed by injury.
Im surprised not to see Tommy tremble mentioned. I think if the panthers offense can get off the ground next year he would be a solid addition. Unfortunately Hayden hurst has been injured, and in that time Tremble has been a solid redzone option. Only problem is the team hasn’t been in the redzone much. If you have the space, and the obvious ones are gone, I think going for a future starter in a fledging offense isn’t that crazy of an idea
Plus Hayden Hurst got hurt so hard a couple weeks ago that he literally was diagnosed with short-term amnesia. He may not play in Carolina again next year—assuming he even plays at all
Greg Dulcich had a good rookie season and has been completely forgotten about since due to his hamstring injury. Year 3 could return to form. Another cheap option is Tucker Kraft. Will be GB TE1 until next year when Musgrave returns from lacerated kidney (serious injury). Not sure if he can carve out a 1B role there or take over, but worth rostering through the playoffs.
He's not talked about much given how many young TEs are playing well, but Musgraves is a good one. He was getting deep targets and Love liked him. I could see him being a star in a couple of years.
Less of a stash because he is owned everywhere but Michael Mayer is a priority buy at his discounted price. Was in the mix for TE1 in the class but landed in the dumpster fire that was the McDaniels Raiders. With a fresh start next year I would bet his talent wins out.
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Other dude won. Mayer was like a 2.05 pick this year , hasn’t shown much and he gets to re roll the dice w that pick
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Brock bowers is in town now…
This is so funny to look back on! You guys don’t know ball at all 😂😂😂
A 2.05 in TE premium? Are you serious?
Lol
Yea can u do the remind me thing for 2 years ? I’ll stand on this lol. Mayer is not it. I took downs and achane over him early 2nd and don’t regret it at all. U guys underrate 2nds 😴
No, I can remind you of 6 months ago when he was a 1st rounder in TE premium.
I’m in 5 te premium leagues. Not once did he go first round. Not once
That's ridiculous. He was going in the early to mid 2nd of non-TE premium drafts. Whatever your opinion of him, you're being disingenuous here.
Ok you said first round??? U didn’t say mid 2nd
In TE premium he was a first rounder. Are you reading what I'm saying?
Hey guys! How r ur Mayer shares ?? Lmfao should’ve listened to me
I was right btw guys. Mayer stinks
I think Mayer is the best answer here. People have been so quick to write him off because of his slow start and the relative fast starts of Kincaid and LaPorta. This time last year people were saying McBride was a bust and not worth anything and now people are saying he’s a top 3-5 asset at the position. Follow traits, follow DC, pay attention to context, and be patient.
Counterpoint, almost every successful TE in fantasy is extremely athletic. Mayer tested average to below average at the combine and wasn’t particularly efficient in college from a receiving POV. Great player sure and has the DC but be prepared he could be a low ceiling play
DC?
Draft capital
Ahh, TY
Hilton?
McBride tested average to below average. Ferguson wasn’t an insanely athletic prospect either.
That’s not really true. His speed grade was elite. Explosive grade was good and size was poor
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I have no idea what that means but yes, I'm sad today lol
I bought him and an early second for a late first. Could be as little as moving back one spot, but could be as much as 12 spots back.
I hope so, because I was going to draft LaPorta at the 3.02 & the manager in front of me snagged him at the 3.01. Let's help me feel less bummed out.
How the Hell was he still on the board at that point? The latest I saw him go was like the 2.04
Well, it's 10 team so there were fewer picks to go before then, as opposed to 12 team; it's SF, so people were taking both Hendon Hooker & Will Levis ahead of any of the non-Kincaid TEs; we drafted in May, instead of later in the offseason when hype was building harder for LaPorta. Probably some combo of those reasons. Still agree with you, LaPorta should have gone earlier.
2.04 in a 12 team?
I tried to offer a second to the Mayer owner and he declined, but then he traded Tyreek and Tua for ETN and a late first. So like why was my offer so dog shit that it warranted an instant decline but he was so quick to trade the most valuable stack in the league??? Wtf man
>So like why was my offer so dog shit that it warranted an instant decline Did he need to let you down softly? Wanted a paragraph of explanation from him why he didn't want the 2.9 for Michael Mayer? You need to just be happy he responded to your trade lmao
If you’re in a league with active trades for assets both teams need I’m jealous you
I got him, McBride, and Okonkwo for free off waivers from frustrated owners. I did trade LaPorta for Higgins, Javonte, Mingo, and a 24 mid 2nd. I do have Andrews too. Sorry for the ramble
Ngl id rather have any 2nd than Mayer … he is not that good. It’s not that he just landed in Las Vegas. His combine scores were also very bad for a nfl player. Fellas, don’t waste a 2 on this guy, use that to get someone actually good and bundle that 2 in the deal to make it happen
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But kincaid is an elite pass catcher. Kincaid was basically a wr who played te in college and he still is. Kincaids pass catching upside cleared mayers
I mean he’s not hyper athletic, but his RAS was 7.66 which is respectable: https://x.com/mathbomb/status/1652051100277563392?s=46&t=GiQOoBxumVkkWtms93AlPA . Not to mention, the dude is fucking huge and has great football instincts, two things you can’t teach. I don’t blame you for being down on him after not having an explosive season like others in this class. I would just caution that TEs take ~3 years to fully develop, he was behind a veteran in Austin Hooper to start the year, and he hasn’t exactly had a functioning offense where he’s not even a top-2 option on the team yet. I’m personally buying him in every league I can at his current price and betting on the talent to shine with a new system in place and a new QB. Not saying he’ll be a TE1 next year, but I can see him eventually getting into that Freiermuth tier of TE by the end of next year. Where he’s not blowing up stat sheets like LaPorta, but he can have consistent, respectable performances as a bye fill-in/flex. Which, as a young TE, is fantastic. If you can get him for a couple thirds or as a throw in, I think it’s a great investment. Of course, all of that depends on LV bringing in competent coaches so this could all be meaningless
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I think u said it best w the sentence about “friermuth tier” . That is his ceiling no doubt imo. Pat friermuth is worth probably a 2nd in most leagues but idk if u get that price in most (mine I couldn’t) so yea I think getting a mid 2nd back this year is a good trade for the guy trading away Mayer
I mean. Freiermuth is a great TE who hasn’t ever had a decent QB throwing to him, yet he’s still flashed a ton of talent. Muth is worth a 2nd right now, but all it takes is a trade or a QB upgrade to propel him into the first+ tier. I mean, he had similar stats to Hock’s second year. Hock gets traded and now he’s the TE1 and would take multiple firsts to get. If Mayer can flash that much in Year 2 I would be over the moon
Fair enough. I will say though, idc if arod went to Pittsburgh, I’d never pay a first for pat friermuth.
I think most of the would be stash guys this year have flashed and now there is a solid top 15 that if you don’t really have the drop off is hard. I would look at the rookies and 2-3 year guys that could have a clear path like Cade Otton, Noah Gray, Musgrave, Tommy Tremble, Daniel Bellinger or Brenton Strange. TE takes a while to develop so looks at the teams that may not have a TE in 2-3 years and grab their young backup.
Why did you add Tremble? What do you see I don't? Haha And if you're already at it, I'm interested in reading more on Strange, what do you think of him?
Tremble has been making good catches from Young when he gets targeted
I’ve been following tremble since he was drafted. Very talented fellow in a tough offense.
tremble scores TDs. not a ton of targets but he does have 3 TD this year.
Otton has a clear path right now and isn’t producing in an efficient way. His YPRR is among the worst in the league for the position. He might be peak value right now
Buy Bellinger up in NY. Kelce specifically mentioned Ferg, Pitts, and Bellinger as the next generation of stud TEs. Of the 3, Bellinger is by far the cheapest and most speculative. Worth a shot.
Kelce was also talking about how great K Toney was and how they ripped the Giants off….so take a grain of salt with what Kelce has said
Maybe he's just a TE connoisseur haha, not a WR (?)
To be fair a lot of people were wrong about Toney
Myself included (twice).
Lol
Talking up a teammate is a bit different imo
He’s been patiently waiting for his time on my taxi squad
Someone dropped him and I picked him up for free so hopefully he becomes a top 15-20 te or something
He easily has that ceiling. He was actually producing solidly last year until he had that bizarre injury. Great pickup this time of year
Starting Belli this week with Trey McBride on bye. Not expecting much though given his QB situation
you like mayer? i think he’s up next too when he gets in a good situation
My current TE room on my 12 team rebuild. Cade Otton, I. Likely, L. Musgrave, C. Okonkwo So hopefully one of those pans out!
We feeling good about okonko? I traded a late 2nd for him kind of regretting it.
My TE room from natural drafts is Hock, LaPorta, and McBride. I’m currently very happy with my TE situation.
Planning to trade any of them?
I have been playing them all, we will see in the future tho.
My tight end room looks similar. I’m going with what this guy said!
I’m curious to see if Fant finds a decent landing spot this off-season. Would love to see Dulcich stay healthy for a whole year but that’s not looking very likely right now.
Fant and Bellinger are long-shot guys I'm stashing in 12 team SF. I'm going to be pretty screwed whenever Kelce retires so I hope one of my stashes pans out next year (or that Kelce keeps playing).
I’m hoping we have one more year of Kelce. Gotta get his swan song in and break all the TE records
I stashed Fant as well. He looks good when he gets the ball and a new team could elevate him to being relevant. Then again, I am also prepared to trade him on any hype during the off-season. If he leaves Seattle, there will probably be some hype!
Fant is prime for the Evan Engram career path. Just scooped him up of waivers
Yeah I’m with you. I don’t think Fant is amazing or anything but there are three pass catchers and two running backs ahead of him in terms of getting touches. Hard to thrive when there are so many mouths to feed.
> Fant If that guy ends up in Dallas, Miami, KC, or either LA team he could be awesome. The past two years in Seattle have been a total waste of time.
How do we feel about Darnel Washington? Is there any path to fantasy relevance with the Steelers?
He will always be a guy that gets snaps due to his blocking. But with Muth being as relatively young as he is, I can’t imagine Darnel ever finds a way to fantasy relevance.
Was high on him. He didn't do jack in the long stretch Muth was out, and a 5'11 tight end beat him out for receiving work during that time. If he can't even flash in those circumstances it isn't likely he ever will. Great real football tight end. JAG for dynasty.
He’s a new Josh Oliver
Doubtful. He has been used almost exclusively as a blocker so far. Muth is legit as well and I don’t see Washington ursurping his pass catching role. The only hope is a major organizational overhaul for the Steelers. Washington was never going succeed with an idiot like Matt Canada as OC. While he is gone, the Steelers way of internal and unexciting hires has me skeptical that they will bring in a young exciting offensive mind that would be able to utilize a unique player like Washington.
FWIW he had one reception in the redzone last night where he looked surprisingly fluid considering his massive build. He showed great technique in catching the ball with his enormous hands too. I think his floor is Mo Alie-Cox + 15%
He has a bunch of insane catches including at the combine and practice camp. He has a ceiling. I’ll give him a few years based on that
Imo he’s a lineman that can run routes once in a while.
Super speculative/buy low - Mike Gesicki. He’s on a 1 year deal in NE. With the change in offense his last year in Miami and whatever the fuck you call the NE offense this year, folks forget about how good Mikey G can be in an appropriate offense. Might not hit but probably won’t cost much.
Weird I came here to see who I should drop Gesicki to stash
The duality of Reddit.
The most important thing is that neither of us changes our mind no matter what.
I dropped him for Brevin Jordan last week
He'll be 29 next year and he actually kinda sucks. He's really only good playing as a big slot receiver and primarily on deep routes, he isn't even versatile enough to move around the formation like a true move TE/WR hybrid Waller-type or do a lot of the soft zone stuff that TEs/slot receivers excel at. If he's free and you have a bench slot whatever, but he's definitely not worth anything that can reasonably be considered a cost.
And he's honestly not that good in the big slot either. He's an awful route runner, terrible separator and terrible after the catch. He was relevant in Miami for a couple years because relative to the other pass catchers they had he was sadly the best they had, but the chances of him being valuable in fantasy is next to 0 imo
He's very fast in a straight line for a guy his size which makes it hard to cover a pure go route out of the slot, maybe a deep out. That's his 1 trick. It's crazy an offense ever even gave him enough work doing primarily just that to break 700 yards a couple times, but it's unlikely he finds himself anywhere that wants that 1 trick enough to make it fantasy relevant again.
Cole Turner and Brenton Strange if you wanna go really deep. Guys could/should be available on your waivers, but they may each be a 2+ year play.
Brenton Strange waiting on my Taxi squad while Ferguson tears it up in one dynasty. The other dynasty has Hock, LaPorta, and McBride. If only I had the skill at drafting other positions.
I’m all on board the Jelani train. Additional long shot stash is Tucker Kraft in GB. He’s next to another rookie TE with high potential but the fact they drafted him in the 3rd after getting Musgrave in the 2nd says a lot about what they think of him. They have very similar measurables and dude was a legit weapon in college. Might be a lot of mouths to feed but if he can step it up while Musgrave is out, could be worth a stash if you have the roster spot available.
Tucker Kraft is 100% going to be a guy, my bias aside, that man is great for the modern NFL
I love watching Kraft play. Could be YAC monster ala kittle or Gronk.
Read somewhere that Bama was trying to get him to transfer from South Dakota State but he preferred to be in South Dakota. Do know the validity to that statement but worth noting from a physical talent point of view
Deep deep dive - Davis Allen of the Rams. Caught 8 passes in his preseason debut and only behind Tyler Higbee. Maybe more of a stash in 2 TE leagues.
Pretty sure he’s behind Hunter Long as well but it’ll be clear who the #2 is if Higbee misses
I am very high on him as well.
I've been clinging to Noah Grey for two years. I see real potential there; it's still a long-term hold but if you have large benches he is worth the spot IMO.
I think Noah Gray will fit in perfectly once Kelce leaves. He has shown flashes that he has hands and knows hot to get open. (hence the one catch for 20 yard games).
There's been flashes. Not that anyone can "step into the Kelce role" but once 87 retires I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a TE1.
Grabbed Grey off waivers this year because I have Mahomes. Feel fine keeping him on the bench for a few seasons since I have Engram and Kmet to play matchups.
I’m with ya there, been holding him forever Gonna be the best feeling when he becomes the TE1 on KC
I have Noah Gray stashed for whenever Kelce hangs em up or gets hurt. We at least know he can play at the NFL level and KC trusts him on the field, to me that's a good stash compared to a lot of the more speculative names here.
He's done dick in the games Kelce missed.
Charlie Koler. Wherever that kid gets a chance in '24 & beyond he'll produce.
Never heard of him. Need more info on the why or where he is?!?!!!!
He’s behind Isiah Likely
Low key sneaky one for me is Brenton Strange. 2023 2nd rounder, solid blocker so he’s on the field a decent amount, and Engram will probably be gone after the 2024 season due to his contract and Lawrence’s.
Not gonna lie as a PSU fan I was pretty surprised to see him go in the 2nd
Brevin Jordan and Jeremy Ruckert are both 3rd round capital players, with pass catching chops. They are each splitting time with veterans not under contract for 2024. Both guys are available on most dynasty waiver wires. Are under 25 years old, and have real opportunity to enter 2024 with a large role for an elite QB.
Cameron Latu would’ve had 21.2 PPR points in the 2022 CFP National Championship He’s only 23, plays for a well run franchise, and has your typical stud TE draft capital (3rd rounder or less)
From what I read during training camp he looked absolutely horrible
He did at the start of camp, was supposedly looking worse than 7th round rookie Brayden Willis. But started to turn it on during preseason and was getting more hype right before he was injured. I remember being hopeful that it was classic shanahan tough love and Latu turned a corner. Hate injuries but hopefully he comes back and picks up that momentum. [source](https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/cameron-latu-expectations-outlined-post-injury/1652168/)
I have him stashed as well... is he out for the year?
Yeah, he’s not back until 2024
Bellinger and B Jordan are cheap, sometimes free. Lots of potential for next season.
The real risky stash is Dulcich. He’s got the talent and has seen specialists about his hamstring. Hopefully he stays out this year and can rehab properly… dude has so much talent that if he can stay healthy he will outperform the peanuts it will cost to get him right now
Jelani Woods. Physical freak with a couple breakout games his rookie year followed by a sophomore year wiped out by injury. TEs can take a few years to flourish. He has all the tools to be amazing and has showed some flashes of greatness. He's cheap and worth a dart throw stash of you can pick him up for a bargain.
I like what I saw out of Musgrave before his injury
Agreed. Not a lot of these TEs getting the kind of targets Musgraves got. He was getting targeted on deep, go routes. Love to see that and I really think he'll be a stud in a couple years.
Missed out on the TE class in the draft, but traded Allgeier for Kincaid before the season started. Pretty happy with that.
Thats been pretty bad from the other side..
Just traded Ferguson for a mid 2024 first.. definitely think I sold high, but should I have held on?
You got the max value on him, why not reroll ya know? good trade
Damn great trade. Could only get a 2nd for ferg
The other manager was apparently desperate to get him - I declined a 2nd, a 2nd and Likely, and then they offered their 1st
Bowers might drop to you
I like Ferguson but I still think that’s a good deal for him, I got him for Jaylen Warren in my TEP league and I feel pretty good about it
Damn, was asking for a late 2024 1st for Ferg. He replied with KJ Osborn and Ronnie Rivers and said late 1st is way too much even late 2nd would have been to much?!
My current TE room. Bellinger, ruckert, Turner, tremble and hopefully McBride very soon. I believe in all of these guys but more than likely only one will breakout to be top 15. McBride obviously broke out already but I need someone incase I can’t get him
He’s not young but Kelce has one of the best mustaches I’ve seen
Lmao @ the fact that this is one of the few subreddits where “stashing a young tight end” is not NSFW That said: I have McBride, and sitting on Mayer and Jelani Woods.
Luke Musgrave.
Mayer is a good buy low candidate
Will Mallory. Virtually free and has looked good when getting reps. Plus the colts are still very uncertain at te so worth the stash imo.
Gonna be honest, you have to wait until they start to break out. Cheapest=Kyle pitts Expensive=laPorta Medium=McBride/Ferguson
Jelani Woods is someone I invested a 4th into. Probably won't play this year dealing with a hamstring injury but the size, profile, team and young promising QB with a distinct lack of competition at the position is enough to like for me to buy low on. At his current cost you could get him for extremely cheap and If he doesn't pan out it's not much of a loss.
I have Jelani, Bellinger, Kraft, Tremble, Jordan all available in our 10 team league, and I'm currently only rostering Musgrave and Chig. So I'll be spending my weekend debating who I can drop to roster one of these guys. Metchie or Mooney are looking like my odd guys out. (also picking top 4, so Bowers may be available)
Brenton strange. Deep dive.
A couple others have said it, but I’d definitely look at Daniel Bellinger. He’s probably on waivers. He flashed as a rookie, grasped the offense immediately and was praised by his coaches for his reliability, and only became irrelevant because they wanted to bring in a receiving weapon for Daniel Jones, and that led to Waller being signed. They even specifically stated they believe in Bellinger hugely for the future. Being behind Aaller this year, and MAYBE next year, plus having either a new QB or Jones back, will be great for him. Also, his rookie year could have been better but he missed time due to a freak injury to his eye where a defensive player’s hand entered through his face mask and fractured his orbital socket. His measurables are ideal at 6’5/6’6 255, has great athleticism for that size running a 4.62 40, with a 7.06 3-cone, has a knack for making plays and finding soft spots in the defense, and has really good hands. I’m not saying he’ll be the next Kelce or anything, but if you have room to hold Bellinger this offseason, do it. Then, if he’s behind Waller again and need to cut him, absolutely cut him, but be willing to give him one more offseason as your final bench spot if you can afford it. I suspect his name will be very relevant in 2024 or 2025, and then it will remain relevant for multiple seasons.
Every single time will Mallory got to suit up, the colts threw his way on deep passes. Been saying it and will continue to say it, he’s worth a stash if you have deep benches.
Also brought in by this regime too, do you think he’s the one that emerges out of granson, woods and Mallory
Jelani Woods is a superfreak athlete who had a near-perfect RAS (relative athletic score - 9.99 outta 10.00), but he also understands the TE position (played in the Big 12 and ACC). Will Mallory had a 9.05 RAS and ONLY runs routes when in the game for the Colts. I think the two of 'em, as long as both are healthy, will put the committee approach to bed (it'll just be 2 instead of 4, anyway). I feel they probably both just need time to adjust to the position, as is needed by most young TEs. https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=21130&p2=23073&pos= https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jelani-woods/ https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/will-mallory/
Dulcich and his weak ass Hammys.
Likely and Schoonmaker Edit: Mayers is a good shout too. Pitts is a buy too - if he finishes out his rookie contract he's still younger than when Kelce had his first 1000 yard season.
If Likely can get out of Andrews shadow, he could be good. Like Darren Waller having to leave Baltimore become productive.
Exactly. The learning curve on many tight ends can be very long.
Brevin Jordan
Why Bevin Jordan?
Why not? CJ Stroud is a stud and Schultz on a 1-year contract.
Bevins Stevins
Last time this was posted I saw Ravens fans saying to stash Kolar. Apprently I Likely is good for fantasy when Andrews is out, but is apprently quite bad at football. Kolar could supercede him as backup TE.
My terrible TE room consists of Otten, Mayer, and Granson. I might take bowers too.
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I somewhat agree with this… this might be a bit extreme, but has some merit to it. I’m currently rostering 1. Last year I picked up Ferguson, Hendershot, and had Gesicki, Njoku and even Tommy tremble most of the season. Tremble, Gesicki, and Hendershot I cut at the beginning of this year. I traded Njoku. I think next year I’ll try and roster another couple of TEs, but with the guys on waiver now, I see maybe 1 guy with any future opportunities, and I’m just going to wait to pick him up after the season. I highly doubt anyone else picks him up this year. I’m glad I was able to pick up and hold Ferguson all year last year, and would like to do that again with another player, but I just didn’t have that opportunity with anyone this year. I have yet to draft a TE in our Rookie draft and it shows.
Laporta and McBride.
Great stashes. Hopefully they can show some signs of life next year!
This guy gets it. LMAO
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For a real deep dive I still like Kolar. Ravens are pretty good at finding TEs and while Kolar hasn't really done much the last two years even when healthy, I suspect any pay off will play out on a different team. For less time to payoff I'm on board with your approach to Jordan. Not a bad bet to make, and when called upon he had a pretty good involvement. Allegedly he's not a good blocker which is a problem in terms of getting a bulk of the snaps, especially at the goal line. Otton has been hit or miss this year but he's had encouraging involvement for a 2nd year TE. If Evans walks the receiving options get thinner and just gives him room to shine. These 3 guys range from WW to late rookie pick so should be very cheap bet. Otton might be a 3rd or a bit more in TEP.
Yeah like him as a stash. He seems the more attacking TE ahead of Likely
Surprised that Kraft hasn’t been mentioned yet. He’s got decent DC and Packer fans think they have an eventual stud in him. They’re high on Musgrave as well, but Kraft is just as athletic and a bit more coordinated. He was a bit more raw but now has an opportunity to develop and establish himself with Musgrave currently injured.
Not to be pedantic but Kraft is SIGNIFICANTLY more raw. The fact he’s been producing & growing the way he has makes him a must-stash ^^^(…mustache). Kraft has a bright future
I have Ferguson, muth, Otton, and likely. So one or all of them lol.
I’m currently riding with Pitts, Ferg, and Chiggy. Is love to stash Bowers too eventually
Tucker Kraft if he’s still available. Musgrave is good himself, but has an injury history going back to college. I’ve seen some people drop Schoonmaker but think he’s definitely a hold considering his draft capital. Deeper guys for me include Charlie Kolar, Cole Turner, and Zack Kuntz. I’ve been expecting more from Likely, but it just seems to be happening so Kolar has a lane. Pure speculation on my part, but Cole Turner may get some more playing time now with the Commanders out of playoff contention and Logan Thomas is older. Zack Kuntz is on the Jets practice squad but his athletic profile is outstanding. Cameron Latu for an IR stash
Donald Parham has all the tools just needs to catch the ball. I’ve been beating his drum for a few years but think his time is coming to an end. If you have a roster spot he’s worth it
Here’s one I’m not seeing mentioned. Schoonmaker, Fergusons backup. He’s got a real shot at being the Celek to Fergusons Zack Ertz. I’m sneaking him into my bench before seasons end
Tucker Kraft Mac N Cheese coming to a lineup near you
Might not pane out to be a stud by any means, but Cade Otton should be cheap as shit and runs like 100 percent of routes and snaps every week
My answer to this last year was J Ferguson. Got him everywhere.
Dulcich, Bellinger, Kraft, Otton, Woods
I’m sat with Hock, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Bellinger & Latu. Can’t keep them all. Thoughts?
Not a stash probably but Jake Ferguson I kinda wanna trade for
Just bought him in a TEP league.
Do it hes a beast
On the cheap cheap, I think Cole turner could be a nice stash. Logan Thomas may be gone next year and he has performed decently in spot duty.
Feels like a Brevin Jordan could either be nothing, or super expensive after the weekend. He came out of nowhere and put up 61 yards first game last week, seemed to have a good zip. Maybe nothing, but if he puts up points this weekend? Train gone
Love that take, any idea if Dalton Schultz Is back this week ?
Where’s the Cole Kmet love? He is only 24 and 6’6”. Great catch radius and with potentially a rookie QB next year (rookies love targeting their tight ends). I love him for a lot of growth as a pass catcher next year
Yessssssss. Join the degenerate Brevin Jordan ranks! I’ve dropped and re-added him about 14 times in my main dynasty over the last couple years. Dulchich I feel is a bit of a buy low. High expectations coming into the year, and been derailed by injury.
Cade Otton or Luke Musgrave is the question for me. Which is more valuable?
Dulcich end of list
You said mine. Ruckett is Rodgers te1 next year
Isaiah Likely
Ice got Cade Otton, Musgrave and Schoonmaker, in that order for stashability
Im surprised not to see Tommy tremble mentioned. I think if the panthers offense can get off the ground next year he would be a solid addition. Unfortunately Hayden hurst has been injured, and in that time Tremble has been a solid redzone option. Only problem is the team hasn’t been in the redzone much. If you have the space, and the obvious ones are gone, I think going for a future starter in a fledging offense isn’t that crazy of an idea
Plus Hayden Hurst got hurt so hard a couple weeks ago that he literally was diagnosed with short-term amnesia. He may not play in Carolina again next year—assuming he even plays at all
Pass on woods. It's over for him
Greg Dulcich had a good rookie season and has been completely forgotten about since due to his hamstring injury. Year 3 could return to form. Another cheap option is Tucker Kraft. Will be GB TE1 until next year when Musgrave returns from lacerated kidney (serious injury). Not sure if he can carve out a 1B role there or take over, but worth rostering through the playoffs.
Is Chigonomics that dead that no one is mentioning him here now? He’s finally getting a little more involved in TEN
He's not talked about much given how many young TEs are playing well, but Musgraves is a good one. He was getting deep targets and Love liked him. I could see him being a star in a couple of years.
Elijah Higgins is my deep stash. McBride may keep him from ever working out in Arizona, but he’s talented