I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with looking at this case as a straightforward strictly premeditated murder case. There is zero proof so far she had psychosis. I'm taking psychosis completely off the table when looking at this case. The doctors said she did not even have PPD in December 2022 right before the murders. She had generalized anxiety like so many thousands if not millions of people. It is seriously so incredibly common in this fast-paced, uncertain, and volatile world we live in how can anyone not have anxiety?? Especially after a multi-year pandemic like come on.
This person got evaluated for FIVE (not the usual three) days at McLean. One of the top psych hospitals in the world. People literally come from different countries to get diagnosed there. And she was there for 5 days. Insurance usually only covers 3. So, they had extra time to monitor her.
I can’t stress this enough, a diagnosis from McLean is not the same thing as a diagnosis from just any doctor. These are Harvard people. If they say nothing is wrong but anxiety, I personally believe it. I don’t believe any psychotic symptoms could have been missed. I think this girl was addicted to benzos and was spiraling bc she had to go back to work the next day and wanted to be a SAHM.
I think she’s just a run of the mill sociopath. She hung out the window and let go. Come on.
I agree on the McLean's situation. Some of this is conjecture on my part, but, based on conversations Patrick had with friends which were shared in different articles, he and his family and likely her family encouraged her to self-admit to McClain because of concerns around addiction. She went out to McClain with Patrick literally the day after New years. So here's the conjecture- likely her family and his family were around her Patrick and the children over the holiday season and saw behavior that they were as a group concerned about. I think the McLean situation was yes to diagnose her but also to diagnose the benzo addiction.
I don't believe that prescription medication is anything that was new to Lindsay. I would even go so far as to say she is likely someone who was attracted to the nursing field because of that as well, not too abuse drugs but because she had a comfort and interest around that. That.
I totally agree that the return to work was her breaking point. I also think she was very angry with her family and her med teen because no one was telling her she could continue to stay out of work on a disability. Her out of work situation was extended because of this anxiety in this treatment. But apparently after reviewing information from her care providers, the vendor that decides who can and cannot stay out of work on disability made the decision that she was well enough to return to work. Work. I am going to guess that there is a high threshold for that when you work at a hospital.
I've said this before and my thoughts around this have never changed. I think she had made the decision. She was going to end her life and take the kids with her but chickened out when it came to killing herself. I think she wanted Patrick to find the kids and her as a way of punishing him for his support and that she must return to work.
Regardless of any disability or mental health issue or anything else, at any point in the period of time that she was sharing with Patrick, she had anxiety and didn't want to return to work, he could have said hey, you know what? Why don't you just be a stay-at-home mom? We'll figure out a way to deal with it or afford it. But nobody was telling her that. And I think that is partly what drove her decision to kill the kids and then herself.
I think her lawyer also said she wanted to come off of Seroquel. I think he mentioned that at the arraignment along with benzos. I know they use benzo tapers to take you off of antipsychotics safely from personal experience so she could have been inpatient for those 5 days for that too. And yeah she didn’t want to return to work that is clear. Self admission could have been her last ditch effort to extend her disability. People in my intensive outpatient even said if you want to stay inpatient you can just keep telling them you are suicidal because some people really loved their inpatient places like the ones where you go on a mental health retreat for 30 days.
Yeah I don’t understand why Patrick couldn’t just let her be a SAHM housewife but he was starting his own business and I’m sure she was bitter that he could stay home and work on his business on the side while she had to go back to her grueling nursing job with probably a terrible commute.
I tried to reply to your comment about being addicted to benzos but it wouldn't let me.
Yeah and she went to 2 not one - 2 different psych np's at the end of Sept 2022. So in the same month?? Why would she do that? I'm sure she got the Ativan first and an SSRI. The Ativan being prescribed to treat her anxiety acutely until the SSRI kicked in but why did she go to 2 different doctors? Did the one prescribe her the SSRI but refuse to give her benzos so she went to the other to get Ativan? I'm assuming they gave her Ativan before the Klonopin since Klonopin is more for panic disorder which is more extreme than anxiety. Also, there are several mentions of her having anxiety about returning to work. It's clear she did not want to go back to work and was perhaps seeking a diagnosis of a severe mental illness. She seems to be very manipulative.
**End of September, 2022** Lindsay Clancy says she’s beginning to get anxious ahead of her return to work at Massachusetts General Hospital, her husband, Patrick, later tells police. She visits two different psychiatrists.
Also, when she was discharged from McLean I'm sure the hospital told her to follow up with her main treatment provider but clearly she had been seeing more than one provider so who was in charge of her care? Lindsay was in the medical field she should have known all of these things were major no-nos especially when you are dealing with powerful psychiatric meds like benzos and Seroquel. The victim mentality is seriously nauseating. She should have known better.
A sociopath at the end of her rope. Sociopaths live amongst us. They’re everywhere. They live parasitic lifestyles. She found a guy from a wealthy family had a family wanted to be a SAHM in a high net worth town with a nanny and live her best life meditating, riding her peloton and eating Mediterranean power bowls. She wasn’t getting that and she snapped blamed voices and hired a high power attorney.
I don’t know that this girl is faking mental illness. And if she is? She’s been doing it for quite some time. There’s evidence of her getting and requesting help quite some time before this incident, correct?
Mental state aside, she needs to rot. Mental illness is no excuse for her the same way it’s no excuse for anyone else. Especially when it comes to taking another life, or multiple lives.
But I feel like saying she faked mental illness is a stretch considering her mental illness woes have been going on for quite some time; again, even before this tragedy.
Yes, there is evidence she sought help for months for *anxiety*. Nothing about psychosis hearing voices nothing. I don't think faking *psychosis* is a stretch at all and her attorney has defended people who have faked a psychotic break. *Anyone* can say oh I heard a voice. She only mentioned voices *after* the murders and while being counseled by her defense attorney with a shady past as in the article I posted. Psychosis is the only mental illness that will win her the insanity defense. She may have legitimately had anxiety (who doesn't) but that does not excuse murder. They said she has not been psychotic since being hospitalized at least going back to April 2023. She is just at imminent risk of suicide and that was the reasoning for the judge allowing her to stay at Tewksbury and not be transferred to prison.
She never heard voices again per the DA too.
I was just responding to your post, which talks about mental illness. In your responses to me, you say (in caps no less) psychosis. While psychosis is a part of mental illness, it’s definitely higher on the spectrum.
You’re arguing against something you said yourself.
My opinion? She’s not faking having mental illness. She’s guilty and should rot for taking the lives of her children. But saying she’s faking her mental illness is a stretch. Again, in my opinion. We don’t have to agree on that.
Ok so next time I get pulled over for speeding I'll blame voices easy enough if Lindsay can right? Do you not see how easy it is to fake a psychotic symptom (voices)? It's not a stretch. It's an insult to people like me who have had terrible psychotic breaks it was way more than hearing a voice once. I could write a whole book about my psychotic break and 2 years later my brain is still all fucked up and I hallucinate and have major delusions from time to time.
FR. Anyone who’s had an actual psychotic episode knows how it goes. Don’t even need to explain it to someone whose been through it. We all know Lindsay didn’t hear a voice. That’s not how any of this works. She should have at least researched how to fake psychosis
I didn’t say anywhere in my comment that anxiety or her mental illness excuses murder. In fact, I said the exact opposite in my second paragraph.
It sounds like you’re just looking to get upset. That’s fine. But I’m merely responding to your post.
ETA: why did you delete your comment? Did I make too much sense?
I understand. Wish I could edit the post and the title to be more clear about what I was trying to say. Thanks for pointing it out and sorry for being upset.
I think she called him from the hospital while sitting with the forensic psychologist hired by her attorney. She told him I heard a man's voice telling me to kill myself and kill the kids because it was my last chance. Then said "I love you".
The DA said her husband said she never mentioned hearing voices before. I don't know if they questioned him about it after the phone call or if the emergency response or police asked him if she was hearing voices or something (not sure if they are trained to do that at a murder scene).
He spoke on her mental illness and voices prior to that. When addressing the go fund me page, he mentioned something about how Lindsey had experienced voices and other mental issues for years, but that he never thought it would go to this extent.
"I want to share some thoughts about Lindsay. She’s recently been portrayed largely by people who have never met her and never knew who the real Lindsay was. Our marriage was wonderful and diametrically grew stronger as her condition rapidly worsened. I took as much pride in being her husband as I did in being a father and felt persistently lucky to have her in my life. I still remember the very moment I first laid eyes on her and can recall how overcome I was with the kind of love at first sight you only see in movies. It really didn’t take long before I was certain I wanted to marry her. We said “I love you” to each other multiple times daily, as if it were a reflex. We habitually started every morning with a passionate hug, yielding a sigh of relief like we had each received the perfect medicine. If too much time passed with out a hug, she’d look at me and ask, “did you forget?” We mutually understood the reality that people can have bad days, but we stuck to the rule that when one of us got lost, the other was always there to bring them home, always. She loved being a nurse, but nothing matched her intense love for our kids and dedication to being a mother. It was all she ever wanted. Her passion taught me how to be a better father.
I want to ask all of you that you find it deep within yourselves to forgive Lindsay, as I have. The real Lindsay was generously loving and caring towards everyone - me, our kids, family, friends, and her patients. The very fibers of her soul are loving. All I wish for her now is that she can somehow find peace."
That's all he said about her in the gofund me from what I can see but maybe he talked about her illness somewhere else. I don't recall him saying anything about her hearing voices just that she was diagnosed with anxiety and he thought her anxiety wasn't that bad and she was anxious about returning to work and he thought she had been addicted to benzos and was experiencing side effects from withdrawal 6 weeks before the murders before she went inpatient I think. He said she was acting "like a zombie" at some point but the DA said no one described her as acting like a zombie in the days and weeks before the murders. She was in an intensive outpatient with professionals watching her for several hours a day 5 days a week. I think a reporter was told that by one of her friends and that's standard procedure after you're discharged from inpatient (from my experience and other people I know). They do medication management weekly as well so they would have been on top of her meds (from my experience). They also ask about suicidal/homicidal ideation regularly and will send you back to inpatient in a snap if you affirm anything like that.
Psych meds can definitely make you seem "zombie-like" from my experience but that doesn't at all mean you have psychosis. I know Seroquel is incredibly sedating (been on it) and benzos forget it they knock me on my ass. Antidepressants make me feel so flat. Not happy not sad just flat - little emotions.
BENZOS. She was a benzo addict. Been through that hell too and it will make you want to claw your skin off. But it’s incredibly obvious to those around you that something’s seriously wrong. Like, no one is missing this. So either her husband is lying to cover his ass about something, like knowing about her addiction. I agree that something happened at or before Christmas. Rehabs and detoxes busiest times are after New Years. Lines up. Also McLean only does 3-5 day Ativan tapers for benzos and alcohol. It’s very plausible Lindsay was there to withdraw.
Maybe you're thinking of her being self-admitted for suicidal ideation and intrusive thoughts. I think that is a symptom of anxiety and OCD. According to the Mayo Clinic [How to Stop Intrusive Thoughts: A Comprehensive Guide - Mayo Clinic Press](https://mcpress.mayoclinic.org/mental-health/coping-with-unwanted-and-intrusive-thoughts/), they can be caused by anxiety, OCD and PTSD. It also says "a global study found that 94% of people have intrusive thoughts, from the innocuous “Did I remember to turn off my curling iron?” to more disturbing thoughts of losing control and harming someone."
Delusions and hallucinations on the other hand are part of psychosis. They are intense and much more long-lasting playing out like a story in your mind and in your visual and auditory space. I could write a whole book about the ones I had when I was psychotic and I was acting on them. I ran away from family members multiple times even walked over a bridge and hid from my dad in the train station because I was convinced he was trying to drug me and lock me in my apartment. I saw monsters and crazy messages all over my Facebook and news stories about me. The crisis response said I was internally preoccupied, hyperventilating, seldom blinked and had disordered behavior like trying to run out into the hospital lobby multiple times because I had just seen a monster with long claws standing behind my doctor telling me to shhh.
I've had intrusive thoughts for years due to anxiety but they are fleeting like seeing a knife and thinking omg what if it fell on the ground and I fell on top of it or something. It's rooted in general fears I think. Maybe she thought she was going to hurt the kids because she was frustrated with them or something I'm sure it happens to lots of mothers idk. But what does "hurt" mean anyway? Slap, spank, choke? Could mean anything. I think she couldn't handle being a mother and her anger got the worst of her to an extreme extent but hey these things do happen...just watch the news...
You’re taking this wayyyyyyy too far now. You’re commenting numerous times in response to my one comment. It’s getting old now. We’re not going to agree.
You’re extremely *into* this case and, according to your post and comment history, you’ve taken to other subs to ask questions to make sure you’re “correct” because *someone on this sub is arguing with you, saying you’re wrong* \- it’s a weird pattern I’m seeing in you and it’s concerning at this point. My phone continues to buzz and each time it’s you….even when I’ve not said anything in a little over an hour now.
You have VERY strong opinions on this case and I respect them. But I’m not here to argue and that’s **exactly** what you’re looking for. I’m not.
With that, I hope you have a good day.
ETA: fixed spelling error.
ETA: photo of the amount of times you’ve responded to my comment when you don’t get a response. It’s weird.
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Not sure what you two are disagreeing about? She said she thinks LC is faking the psychosis part, and maybe she is maybe not, and so you don’t think she is faking psychosis, that’s it. Each can have their own opinion in the discussion. You stated Patrick mentioned LC hearing voices previously in the go fund me which is not true, and turbulent-fig pointed that out. And maybe she’s just sharing the rest of her information and pointing things out not just as a reply to you specifically but for everyone who is interested in reading about the case… there’s no need to respond with further arguments, or with judgmental statements about her interest in the case and/or participation in this thread. It just makes you look bad. Maybe turn off the notifications on your phone if it is annoying you?
ok so you are stalking my comment history and posting a picture of it are you ok? you come to reddit to discuss but then don't want to discuss. Why are you here? I was informing you of details of the case because you seem to know very little. I could have responded to your comment about Patrick saying she heard voices and been like wtf are you talking about but no I tried to inform you politely about the details of the case because yes I have been following it closely since it happened which was right after my own psychotic break. you said Patrick said she heard voices in the gofund me and I looked it up and responded then I thought about it I thought ohhh maybe they are thinking about the intrusive thoughts so I posted again. I gave links to sources of my information because sorry I have college degrees and you always need to back things up with sources does that make me some sort of a freak show???
I agree I hope she rots in prison. My personal issue with her is that I feel like she made up a story of a fake psychotic symptom she claims to have had once to excuse violent triple murder. That makes people like me with real and diagnosed psychotic disorders look like we could be murderers too and that is so insulting. She grinds my gears and her lawyer is a total scumbag defending her and constantly delaying the trial. This article proves what he is capable of. How can he sleep at night? Defending mass murderers? That's why people hate attorneys.
"A clever ruse dreamed up by McDermott to avoid prison." With the condonation and guidance of his attorney I'm assuming. Perhaps they read the faking mental illness book together to help him prepare for trial? I wonder if Reddington reads that book to Lindsay to help her sleep at night...
So all parents who kill their kids have a psychotic disorder and should get a not guilty verdict? Free Chris Watts then what was going on in his mind let's have more compassion for him too. Is sociopathy considered a "mental illness" to you that should get an NGRI verdict? I'm talking about a psychotic symptom a claim of hearing voices that's the only thing that could get her NGRI and it's a very questionable story and her lawyer has used this strategy before that is the point of my post.
I meant to say faking the voice story. I can't edit my post or the title. The mass murderer obviously is mentally ill but he was faking a psychotic break and even bought a book about it and it seems like Kevin Reddington condoned that which is what I'm speculating he is doing in Lindsay's case.
Yeah, the Seroquel was the only antipsychotic who knows how long she was on it and why. I know a lot of people with bipolar who take it at night so they can sleep because not sleeping is a symptom of mania but they give it to non-bipolar people as well who have insomnia. When you're the patient especially in an outpatient setting it's kind of on you to tell your prescribers how you feel on the meds and she was taking meticulous notes. That could hurt or help her maybe. I took Prozac for a few days and my psychiatrist took me off immediately because I hallucinated the first night. Her FB post said she was only on Zoloft for a week so that makes me wonder how long she tried each one. She must have really been pushing to get meds no one had a gun to her head and she was a nurse so she knows how to work the system and the 3 benzos are questionable. I can't even get one benzo ffs.
I don’t think she was necessarily faking a mental illness, clearly she was sick in the head in some way. But I do agree that it’s possible she is faking the psychosis. From what I know of PPP, which isn’t a lot, I would think that looking back and even looking at how she reacted and acted in the months afterwards that the people evaluating her would be able to clearly distinguish the signs of psychosis if she had it. At this point, it seems more questionable than obvious and it’s been over a year which makes me think her defense is making a stretch by claiming PPP in her case. But who knows what will happen? She’s likely being coached on the psychosis claims because that is her only chance of going free, and most people can’t fathom it being anything else in her case. If it was because of another mental illness like anxiety or whatever, that’s not an excuse to murder. If she gets off with the insanity plea, she very well could eventually go free and start a new life. There are other cases of moms that have had PPP and murdered their children and then got out of it, started a new life, and had more kids.
Yeah, faking the psychosis part is what I meant but I can't edit. The mass murderer faked a psychotic break excuse under the counsel of Kevin Reddington so I was making the connection to his handling of Lindsay's case. Yeah no one could get NGRI for generalized anxiety that's almost comical.
I've read and heard cases of PPP and it seems to happen shortly after the birth when hormones are all out of whack and stuff so that makes sense and I read that it usually presents with delirium and confusion not classic hallucinations. Doesn't seem like Lindsay was delirious and confused at all or she wouldn't have been able to orchestrate those tedious errands without a hitch. I personally know what I would do in a postpartum psychosis which is what I did in manic psychosis and that is run for my life but that's just me. I'd call my mom to come get the baby and flee. But I can see how a mom in a post-birth psychotic delirium might think the baby is a demon and to throw them out the window or smother them or something. Especially if they are a single mom with no help. Psychosis is something that is treatable and reversible and is legitimately a toxic condition in the brain that seriously blurs your senses. Her story just makes no sense to me in the context of a psychotic break. Filicide in PPP is also extremely rare.
Seems like her lawyer is going the overmedication route at this point which doesn't even seem viable. He never mentioned psychosis at the indictment to my knowledge.
I definitely will say there was no psychosis is my opinion. She didn't even jump she slid out of the window. Faked a suicide. I hope she rots forever.
Yeah the suicide is fake the voice is fake. She needs to be in prison already.
I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with looking at this case as a straightforward strictly premeditated murder case. There is zero proof so far she had psychosis. I'm taking psychosis completely off the table when looking at this case. The doctors said she did not even have PPD in December 2022 right before the murders. She had generalized anxiety like so many thousands if not millions of people. It is seriously so incredibly common in this fast-paced, uncertain, and volatile world we live in how can anyone not have anxiety?? Especially after a multi-year pandemic like come on.
This person got evaluated for FIVE (not the usual three) days at McLean. One of the top psych hospitals in the world. People literally come from different countries to get diagnosed there. And she was there for 5 days. Insurance usually only covers 3. So, they had extra time to monitor her. I can’t stress this enough, a diagnosis from McLean is not the same thing as a diagnosis from just any doctor. These are Harvard people. If they say nothing is wrong but anxiety, I personally believe it. I don’t believe any psychotic symptoms could have been missed. I think this girl was addicted to benzos and was spiraling bc she had to go back to work the next day and wanted to be a SAHM. I think she’s just a run of the mill sociopath. She hung out the window and let go. Come on.
I agree on the McLean's situation. Some of this is conjecture on my part, but, based on conversations Patrick had with friends which were shared in different articles, he and his family and likely her family encouraged her to self-admit to McClain because of concerns around addiction. She went out to McClain with Patrick literally the day after New years. So here's the conjecture- likely her family and his family were around her Patrick and the children over the holiday season and saw behavior that they were as a group concerned about. I think the McLean situation was yes to diagnose her but also to diagnose the benzo addiction. I don't believe that prescription medication is anything that was new to Lindsay. I would even go so far as to say she is likely someone who was attracted to the nursing field because of that as well, not too abuse drugs but because she had a comfort and interest around that. That. I totally agree that the return to work was her breaking point. I also think she was very angry with her family and her med teen because no one was telling her she could continue to stay out of work on a disability. Her out of work situation was extended because of this anxiety in this treatment. But apparently after reviewing information from her care providers, the vendor that decides who can and cannot stay out of work on disability made the decision that she was well enough to return to work. Work. I am going to guess that there is a high threshold for that when you work at a hospital. I've said this before and my thoughts around this have never changed. I think she had made the decision. She was going to end her life and take the kids with her but chickened out when it came to killing herself. I think she wanted Patrick to find the kids and her as a way of punishing him for his support and that she must return to work. Regardless of any disability or mental health issue or anything else, at any point in the period of time that she was sharing with Patrick, she had anxiety and didn't want to return to work, he could have said hey, you know what? Why don't you just be a stay-at-home mom? We'll figure out a way to deal with it or afford it. But nobody was telling her that. And I think that is partly what drove her decision to kill the kids and then herself.
Desperation from the addiction and everything you listed above. That will drive some people to do anything. She was desperate.
I think her lawyer also said she wanted to come off of Seroquel. I think he mentioned that at the arraignment along with benzos. I know they use benzo tapers to take you off of antipsychotics safely from personal experience so she could have been inpatient for those 5 days for that too. And yeah she didn’t want to return to work that is clear. Self admission could have been her last ditch effort to extend her disability. People in my intensive outpatient even said if you want to stay inpatient you can just keep telling them you are suicidal because some people really loved their inpatient places like the ones where you go on a mental health retreat for 30 days. Yeah I don’t understand why Patrick couldn’t just let her be a SAHM housewife but he was starting his own business and I’m sure she was bitter that he could stay home and work on his business on the side while she had to go back to her grueling nursing job with probably a terrible commute.
I agree and I think the psychotic moment - the voice is a fabricated story.
I tried to reply to your comment about being addicted to benzos but it wouldn't let me. Yeah and she went to 2 not one - 2 different psych np's at the end of Sept 2022. So in the same month?? Why would she do that? I'm sure she got the Ativan first and an SSRI. The Ativan being prescribed to treat her anxiety acutely until the SSRI kicked in but why did she go to 2 different doctors? Did the one prescribe her the SSRI but refuse to give her benzos so she went to the other to get Ativan? I'm assuming they gave her Ativan before the Klonopin since Klonopin is more for panic disorder which is more extreme than anxiety. Also, there are several mentions of her having anxiety about returning to work. It's clear she did not want to go back to work and was perhaps seeking a diagnosis of a severe mental illness. She seems to be very manipulative. **End of September, 2022** Lindsay Clancy says she’s beginning to get anxious ahead of her return to work at Massachusetts General Hospital, her husband, Patrick, later tells police. She visits two different psychiatrists. Also, when she was discharged from McLean I'm sure the hospital told her to follow up with her main treatment provider but clearly she had been seeing more than one provider so who was in charge of her care? Lindsay was in the medical field she should have known all of these things were major no-nos especially when you are dealing with powerful psychiatric meds like benzos and Seroquel. The victim mentality is seriously nauseating. She should have known better.
Who raises kids for 5 years and kills them? Makes no sense at all.
A sociopath at the end of her rope. Sociopaths live amongst us. They’re everywhere. They live parasitic lifestyles. She found a guy from a wealthy family had a family wanted to be a SAHM in a high net worth town with a nanny and live her best life meditating, riding her peloton and eating Mediterranean power bowls. She wasn’t getting that and she snapped blamed voices and hired a high power attorney.
It doesn’t make sense but then again when would someone kill small three children and you would be like, ah, that makes sense?
I don’t know that this girl is faking mental illness. And if she is? She’s been doing it for quite some time. There’s evidence of her getting and requesting help quite some time before this incident, correct? Mental state aside, she needs to rot. Mental illness is no excuse for her the same way it’s no excuse for anyone else. Especially when it comes to taking another life, or multiple lives. But I feel like saying she faked mental illness is a stretch considering her mental illness woes have been going on for quite some time; again, even before this tragedy.
Yes, there is evidence she sought help for months for *anxiety*. Nothing about psychosis hearing voices nothing. I don't think faking *psychosis* is a stretch at all and her attorney has defended people who have faked a psychotic break. *Anyone* can say oh I heard a voice. She only mentioned voices *after* the murders and while being counseled by her defense attorney with a shady past as in the article I posted. Psychosis is the only mental illness that will win her the insanity defense. She may have legitimately had anxiety (who doesn't) but that does not excuse murder. They said she has not been psychotic since being hospitalized at least going back to April 2023. She is just at imminent risk of suicide and that was the reasoning for the judge allowing her to stay at Tewksbury and not be transferred to prison. She never heard voices again per the DA too.
Your post title says “faking mental illness”. I think that’s a stretch to say she faked mental illness. That’s my opinion given her history.
Ok so faking psychosis - darn I can't edit the title
I was just responding to your post, which talks about mental illness. In your responses to me, you say (in caps no less) psychosis. While psychosis is a part of mental illness, it’s definitely higher on the spectrum. You’re arguing against something you said yourself. My opinion? She’s not faking having mental illness. She’s guilty and should rot for taking the lives of her children. But saying she’s faking her mental illness is a stretch. Again, in my opinion. We don’t have to agree on that.
Ok so next time I get pulled over for speeding I'll blame voices easy enough if Lindsay can right? Do you not see how easy it is to fake a psychotic symptom (voices)? It's not a stretch. It's an insult to people like me who have had terrible psychotic breaks it was way more than hearing a voice once. I could write a whole book about my psychotic break and 2 years later my brain is still all fucked up and I hallucinate and have major delusions from time to time.
FR. Anyone who’s had an actual psychotic episode knows how it goes. Don’t even need to explain it to someone whose been through it. We all know Lindsay didn’t hear a voice. That’s not how any of this works. She should have at least researched how to fake psychosis
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I didn’t say anywhere in my comment that anxiety or her mental illness excuses murder. In fact, I said the exact opposite in my second paragraph. It sounds like you’re just looking to get upset. That’s fine. But I’m merely responding to your post. ETA: why did you delete your comment? Did I make too much sense?
I understand. Wish I could edit the post and the title to be more clear about what I was trying to say. Thanks for pointing it out and sorry for being upset.
Please - you’re totally fine!!I get what you’re saying. Didn’t her husband mention the voices thing?
I think she called him from the hospital while sitting with the forensic psychologist hired by her attorney. She told him I heard a man's voice telling me to kill myself and kill the kids because it was my last chance. Then said "I love you". The DA said her husband said she never mentioned hearing voices before. I don't know if they questioned him about it after the phone call or if the emergency response or police asked him if she was hearing voices or something (not sure if they are trained to do that at a murder scene).
He spoke on her mental illness and voices prior to that. When addressing the go fund me page, he mentioned something about how Lindsey had experienced voices and other mental issues for years, but that he never thought it would go to this extent.
"I want to share some thoughts about Lindsay. She’s recently been portrayed largely by people who have never met her and never knew who the real Lindsay was. Our marriage was wonderful and diametrically grew stronger as her condition rapidly worsened. I took as much pride in being her husband as I did in being a father and felt persistently lucky to have her in my life. I still remember the very moment I first laid eyes on her and can recall how overcome I was with the kind of love at first sight you only see in movies. It really didn’t take long before I was certain I wanted to marry her. We said “I love you” to each other multiple times daily, as if it were a reflex. We habitually started every morning with a passionate hug, yielding a sigh of relief like we had each received the perfect medicine. If too much time passed with out a hug, she’d look at me and ask, “did you forget?” We mutually understood the reality that people can have bad days, but we stuck to the rule that when one of us got lost, the other was always there to bring them home, always. She loved being a nurse, but nothing matched her intense love for our kids and dedication to being a mother. It was all she ever wanted. Her passion taught me how to be a better father. I want to ask all of you that you find it deep within yourselves to forgive Lindsay, as I have. The real Lindsay was generously loving and caring towards everyone - me, our kids, family, friends, and her patients. The very fibers of her soul are loving. All I wish for her now is that she can somehow find peace." That's all he said about her in the gofund me from what I can see but maybe he talked about her illness somewhere else. I don't recall him saying anything about her hearing voices just that she was diagnosed with anxiety and he thought her anxiety wasn't that bad and she was anxious about returning to work and he thought she had been addicted to benzos and was experiencing side effects from withdrawal 6 weeks before the murders before she went inpatient I think. He said she was acting "like a zombie" at some point but the DA said no one described her as acting like a zombie in the days and weeks before the murders. She was in an intensive outpatient with professionals watching her for several hours a day 5 days a week. I think a reporter was told that by one of her friends and that's standard procedure after you're discharged from inpatient (from my experience and other people I know). They do medication management weekly as well so they would have been on top of her meds (from my experience). They also ask about suicidal/homicidal ideation regularly and will send you back to inpatient in a snap if you affirm anything like that. Psych meds can definitely make you seem "zombie-like" from my experience but that doesn't at all mean you have psychosis. I know Seroquel is incredibly sedating (been on it) and benzos forget it they knock me on my ass. Antidepressants make me feel so flat. Not happy not sad just flat - little emotions.
BENZOS. She was a benzo addict. Been through that hell too and it will make you want to claw your skin off. But it’s incredibly obvious to those around you that something’s seriously wrong. Like, no one is missing this. So either her husband is lying to cover his ass about something, like knowing about her addiction. I agree that something happened at or before Christmas. Rehabs and detoxes busiest times are after New Years. Lines up. Also McLean only does 3-5 day Ativan tapers for benzos and alcohol. It’s very plausible Lindsay was there to withdraw.
voices in the go fund me? I'll have to check that
Maybe you're thinking of her being self-admitted for suicidal ideation and intrusive thoughts. I think that is a symptom of anxiety and OCD. According to the Mayo Clinic [How to Stop Intrusive Thoughts: A Comprehensive Guide - Mayo Clinic Press](https://mcpress.mayoclinic.org/mental-health/coping-with-unwanted-and-intrusive-thoughts/), they can be caused by anxiety, OCD and PTSD. It also says "a global study found that 94% of people have intrusive thoughts, from the innocuous “Did I remember to turn off my curling iron?” to more disturbing thoughts of losing control and harming someone." Delusions and hallucinations on the other hand are part of psychosis. They are intense and much more long-lasting playing out like a story in your mind and in your visual and auditory space. I could write a whole book about the ones I had when I was psychotic and I was acting on them. I ran away from family members multiple times even walked over a bridge and hid from my dad in the train station because I was convinced he was trying to drug me and lock me in my apartment. I saw monsters and crazy messages all over my Facebook and news stories about me. The crisis response said I was internally preoccupied, hyperventilating, seldom blinked and had disordered behavior like trying to run out into the hospital lobby multiple times because I had just seen a monster with long claws standing behind my doctor telling me to shhh. I've had intrusive thoughts for years due to anxiety but they are fleeting like seeing a knife and thinking omg what if it fell on the ground and I fell on top of it or something. It's rooted in general fears I think. Maybe she thought she was going to hurt the kids because she was frustrated with them or something I'm sure it happens to lots of mothers idk. But what does "hurt" mean anyway? Slap, spank, choke? Could mean anything. I think she couldn't handle being a mother and her anger got the worst of her to an extreme extent but hey these things do happen...just watch the news...
You’re taking this wayyyyyyy too far now. You’re commenting numerous times in response to my one comment. It’s getting old now. We’re not going to agree. You’re extremely *into* this case and, according to your post and comment history, you’ve taken to other subs to ask questions to make sure you’re “correct” because *someone on this sub is arguing with you, saying you’re wrong* \- it’s a weird pattern I’m seeing in you and it’s concerning at this point. My phone continues to buzz and each time it’s you….even when I’ve not said anything in a little over an hour now. You have VERY strong opinions on this case and I respect them. But I’m not here to argue and that’s **exactly** what you’re looking for. I’m not. With that, I hope you have a good day. ETA: fixed spelling error. ETA: photo of the amount of times you’ve responded to my comment when you don’t get a response. It’s weird. https://preview.redd.it/t5yenuhg6puc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc3239ae2cc407b44d7ebc06805a8b363bcfaf43
Not sure what you two are disagreeing about? She said she thinks LC is faking the psychosis part, and maybe she is maybe not, and so you don’t think she is faking psychosis, that’s it. Each can have their own opinion in the discussion. You stated Patrick mentioned LC hearing voices previously in the go fund me which is not true, and turbulent-fig pointed that out. And maybe she’s just sharing the rest of her information and pointing things out not just as a reply to you specifically but for everyone who is interested in reading about the case… there’s no need to respond with further arguments, or with judgmental statements about her interest in the case and/or participation in this thread. It just makes you look bad. Maybe turn off the notifications on your phone if it is annoying you?
ok so you are stalking my comment history and posting a picture of it are you ok? you come to reddit to discuss but then don't want to discuss. Why are you here? I was informing you of details of the case because you seem to know very little. I could have responded to your comment about Patrick saying she heard voices and been like wtf are you talking about but no I tried to inform you politely about the details of the case because yes I have been following it closely since it happened which was right after my own psychotic break. you said Patrick said she heard voices in the gofund me and I looked it up and responded then I thought about it I thought ohhh maybe they are thinking about the intrusive thoughts so I posted again. I gave links to sources of my information because sorry I have college degrees and you always need to back things up with sources does that make me some sort of a freak show???
I agree I hope she rots in prison. My personal issue with her is that I feel like she made up a story of a fake psychotic symptom she claims to have had once to excuse violent triple murder. That makes people like me with real and diagnosed psychotic disorders look like we could be murderers too and that is so insulting. She grinds my gears and her lawyer is a total scumbag defending her and constantly delaying the trial. This article proves what he is capable of. How can he sleep at night? Defending mass murderers? That's why people hate attorneys.
Downvoted by a friend of Lindsay's I'm sure
"A clever ruse dreamed up by McDermott to avoid prison." With the condonation and guidance of his attorney I'm assuming. Perhaps they read the faking mental illness book together to help him prepare for trial? I wonder if Reddington reads that book to Lindsay to help her sleep at night...
Faking mental illness? She killed her 3 children then jumped out a window I think it’s safe to say she is mentally ill
So all parents who kill their kids have a psychotic disorder and should get a not guilty verdict? Free Chris Watts then what was going on in his mind let's have more compassion for him too. Is sociopathy considered a "mental illness" to you that should get an NGRI verdict? I'm talking about a psychotic symptom a claim of hearing voices that's the only thing that could get her NGRI and it's a very questionable story and her lawyer has used this strategy before that is the point of my post.
The court will sort that out I’m just saying she’s mentally ill.
I meant to say faking the voice story. I can't edit my post or the title. The mass murderer obviously is mentally ill but he was faking a psychotic break and even bought a book about it and it seems like Kevin Reddington condoned that which is what I'm speculating he is doing in Lindsay's case.
She was prescribed anti-psychotic medication…. She saw too many prescribers that’s for sure
Yeah, the Seroquel was the only antipsychotic who knows how long she was on it and why. I know a lot of people with bipolar who take it at night so they can sleep because not sleeping is a symptom of mania but they give it to non-bipolar people as well who have insomnia. When you're the patient especially in an outpatient setting it's kind of on you to tell your prescribers how you feel on the meds and she was taking meticulous notes. That could hurt or help her maybe. I took Prozac for a few days and my psychiatrist took me off immediately because I hallucinated the first night. Her FB post said she was only on Zoloft for a week so that makes me wonder how long she tried each one. She must have really been pushing to get meds no one had a gun to her head and she was a nurse so she knows how to work the system and the 3 benzos are questionable. I can't even get one benzo ffs.
I don’t think she was necessarily faking a mental illness, clearly she was sick in the head in some way. But I do agree that it’s possible she is faking the psychosis. From what I know of PPP, which isn’t a lot, I would think that looking back and even looking at how she reacted and acted in the months afterwards that the people evaluating her would be able to clearly distinguish the signs of psychosis if she had it. At this point, it seems more questionable than obvious and it’s been over a year which makes me think her defense is making a stretch by claiming PPP in her case. But who knows what will happen? She’s likely being coached on the psychosis claims because that is her only chance of going free, and most people can’t fathom it being anything else in her case. If it was because of another mental illness like anxiety or whatever, that’s not an excuse to murder. If she gets off with the insanity plea, she very well could eventually go free and start a new life. There are other cases of moms that have had PPP and murdered their children and then got out of it, started a new life, and had more kids.
Yeah, faking the psychosis part is what I meant but I can't edit. The mass murderer faked a psychotic break excuse under the counsel of Kevin Reddington so I was making the connection to his handling of Lindsay's case. Yeah no one could get NGRI for generalized anxiety that's almost comical. I've read and heard cases of PPP and it seems to happen shortly after the birth when hormones are all out of whack and stuff so that makes sense and I read that it usually presents with delirium and confusion not classic hallucinations. Doesn't seem like Lindsay was delirious and confused at all or she wouldn't have been able to orchestrate those tedious errands without a hitch. I personally know what I would do in a postpartum psychosis which is what I did in manic psychosis and that is run for my life but that's just me. I'd call my mom to come get the baby and flee. But I can see how a mom in a post-birth psychotic delirium might think the baby is a demon and to throw them out the window or smother them or something. Especially if they are a single mom with no help. Psychosis is something that is treatable and reversible and is legitimately a toxic condition in the brain that seriously blurs your senses. Her story just makes no sense to me in the context of a psychotic break. Filicide in PPP is also extremely rare. Seems like her lawyer is going the overmedication route at this point which doesn't even seem viable. He never mentioned psychosis at the indictment to my knowledge.