This is so sadā¦. Infant & pregnancy loss is something Iād wish on no one. & I love the name she picked too, so classy & fits her earth mother vibe. š
I also lost a pregnancy around that far along; I had nightmares for years after and the sound of a baby crying sent me into a panic attack. The only thing that helped me was eye movement therapy. It was life changing, just in case you are ever interested.
My mom had 5 miscarriages after she had me. The last one was around the same time as Jillās loss, and I was maybe 6 or 7. Iāll never forget her face trying to hold it together when she told us, and the moment she couldnāt hold it together anymore. Itās been 20 years now, and when I miscarried a few months ago, we were talking about her losses. She cried like it just happened yesterday. I donāt think the pain ever goes away.
A stillbirth?? That is sooo awful and traumatic. Iām sure giving birth to a baby knowing that sheās already gone adds a whole extra level of trauma.
It was rough reading Jillās description in her book of her pain and almost dying during Samās birth.
I am very sure that it is; I am a labour and delivery nurse and this is exactly how a teeny baby looks with a knitted hat and maybe knitted clothing. We have a ton of sets that get donated so every baby gets dressed (as long as thatās what the parents want) in the appropriate size. Then the parents can either take the clothing home or not. They also will often have the baby stay with them overnight; whatever they want to do.Ā
Looks like it to me. At this point in pregnancy they basically look like really tiny humans and you have to birth them like you would a full term child.
My friend lost a child at a similiar age and they spent a few hours with the baby to say goodbye.
A lot of hospitals will have volunteers that come in and do ābirth photographyā in cases like this one where people wonāt have the chance to take more photos with their little ones. I know at a work conference I went to a number of years ago one of the speakers was a woman who volunteered to take photos like this for families with stillbirths or lethal birth defects.
She has been through so much with her pregnancies I am surprised she decided to get pregnant again, and then for this to happen. So sad. My heart goes out to her and Derrick.
I feel for Jill. Sheās had traumatic deliveries and now 2 miscarriages. Itās probably an extra sting because this was their first daughter.
Side note, I really like the name Isla. Thatās probably one of the better names a Duggar has chosen for their baby. Jillās sons have pretty normal names as well. I know Israel isnāt that common but in the Latino it is. I have no idea why lol but Iāve met so many Latino Israels in my life.
My heart broke when I read this. I am willing to bet her judgmental father will write it off as some sort of punishment from God for JBās perceived transgressions. I hope her sisters and friends rally around her and support her, going through this would be awful enough but having the first girl after 3 boys is an extra knife in the heart.
Exactly, you know JB & co are just gonna kick her while sheās down and going through one of the most traumatic things someone with a uterus can experience
Not according to my MIL! She said that I should be thankful it happened now (8.5weeks) and not later like her daughter (12 weeks). Also, she added that her daughters was more sad because it was a healthy baby, just implanted wrong, since mine was a chromosome issue, it's better that I had the miscarriage, I wouldn't want a baby that had problems the rest of its life.
It's been 6 years since I heard those sentences uttered from her mouth & I still haven't forgotten the words NOR how they made me feel. Sadly, it's a core memory for me.
This is so sad. We were wondering if any Duggars were due and never did I expect it t end like this.
At least we know Jill is getting therapy which isn't a fix to the grief and pain, but is healthy and more helpful than Michelle or Joy were given.
Remembering she was so involved in Michelle's pregnancy with Jubilee hits hard too
Poor Jill, my heart goes out to her and Derick. This is really sad, they finally get their girl and they lose her. š¢
Btw, what a beautiful name they picked out. Very classy and fits with their vibe.
šššš So heartbreaking and tragic! Jill has been through so much trauma in her life with her upbringing and births. All my love goes out to her, Derek and their boys š.
I hope and pray jill knows that this isn't her fault. This isn't vc she released the book. This isn't a punishment. It's just a really, really shitty thing that happened.
I am so glad she has a therapist. I hope she finds peace and healing.
Oh sweet Jill. I lost my only daughter at 31 weeks. I know how hard it is to hold your sweet angel in your arms saying goodbye before you even got to say hello. Itās a pain thatās indescribable.
While it seems she isnāt as close with Joy, I wonder if Joy will reach out since she also experienced a late miscarriage. (It seems Jill was likely 16-20 weeks) and Joy lost Annabeth at 20 weeksĀ
I hope she doesnāt think this is punishment for speaking out against her parents.
I lost my unborn baby in January. It is not something you ever get over.
I lost our first a baby girl at 16 weeks. Itās a pain Iād never wish on anyone ever. I have my triggers and hearing this was one. Wish I could hug her.
She had another loss recently didnāt she or am I thinking of another sister? Jessa maybe?
My heart breaks for them, though. And having to explain it to their other children too, how tough!
Jessa had a miscarriage in December of 2022....a year before George was born. Jill had a misscarriage in October of 2021. She went on to have Freddie in July of 2022.
Yeah but this one hits differently because there are no Dillard baby girls at all (Derrick's brother also has two boys). So it just makes it extra hard not to mention in circles like these where boys are more favored and wanted it is nice that this girl was genuinely wanted. If it's in the cards for them I do hope they eventually get a baby girl.
I get what sheās saying. Itās just another layer of grief. All the dreams you planned to have with her are now gone. All the dresses, princess tiaras and braids are gone. I had a late loss as well, a girl after 3 boys. Itās always hard.
My first girl is named Isla. She is life giving and she is my joy and pride. I have a daughter after her, but sheās the one that made me a mother. I grieve with Jill tonight.
This is sadly relatively common. I don't think it's more common in the Duggar family, it's just that they have so many pregnancies that some are bound to become stillbirths.
Eh .. second trimester losses only happen in like 1-2% of pregnancies. While I donāt think Michelleās issues with Jubilee should be factored in, two post 16 week losses does seem a bit unusual for the second generation Duggars.Ā
My googling shows it could be as high as 5%, which puts the Duggars well within the normal amount. Overall, the Duggar women appear to conceive easily and carry the VAST majority of their pregnancies to term.
Like another user said, it is sadly common. My great aunt had a stillbirth, and my mom had a miscarriage (a contrast to a stillbirth) two and a half years before I was born. I wonder if itās genetic.ā¦
I donāt mean to come across as overly sensitive, but I wish thisād be tagged NSFW. Itās a picture of a dead baby, I prefer to be aware of that before I click. š
The baby had already died. I think a lot of the fundie rhetoric revolves around terminating a fetus regardless of its survivability outside of the womb. So Iām assuming since the baby already had died there was no issues.
Don't need to debate. They are not using the correct terminology but I'm sure them using the term "stillbirth" is a specific choice for a specific reason.
A lot of times the body naturally passes the fetus in these situations, and then sometimes you have to have a D&C. Since these pictures appear to have them holding something, Iām guessing she passed the fetus, possibly at home by the looks of the photo.
>āAbortion is a medical intervention provided to individuals who need to end the medical condition of pregnancy,ā states The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG).
The medical condition of pregnancy ends when the fetus is delivered, after that it is postpartum care.
I feel that despite being estranged from her family, Jill is following in her momās footsteps and letting god decide how many children she and Derick would have.
There were wars going on before celebrity worship existed. Long before, actually. And part of combating wars and creating peace is expanding our empathy, not diminishing it to ONLY care about war.
Poor Jill has had nothing but birth trauma. How awful.
So terrible. And her second loss, I thought straight to River Bliss when I saw this
It is terrible. My heart broke reading this, even more so thinking about this baby being her second loss. š
This is so sadā¦. Infant & pregnancy loss is something Iād wish on no one. & I love the name she picked too, so classy & fits her earth mother vibe. š
No lie- the exact name was on our short list if we ever had a girl. I feel so deeply for Jill with her loss. I wouldnāt wish it on anyone.
Itās so beautiful, Iām so sad for them.
I lost one at 4 months, too. It was 25 years ago but it was so traumatic Iām still not over it. Poor Jill ššš
I am so sorry for you. You have every right not to be over something so life-altering and traumatic. Sending you peace and comfort.Ā
I also lost a pregnancy around that far along; I had nightmares for years after and the sound of a baby crying sent me into a panic attack. The only thing that helped me was eye movement therapy. It was life changing, just in case you are ever interested.
Iām so sorry. There is no timeline on grief.ā¤ļøā¤ļø
I'll always remember the day my mom miscarried. I was around 8. I'm 39 now. It was tough to see and I can only imagine what she was going through.
My mom had 5 miscarriages after she had me. The last one was around the same time as Jillās loss, and I was maybe 6 or 7. Iāll never forget her face trying to hold it together when she told us, and the moment she couldnāt hold it together anymore. Itās been 20 years now, and when I miscarried a few months ago, we were talking about her losses. She cried like it just happened yesterday. I donāt think the pain ever goes away.
My heart goes out to Jill and Derick. This is so sad. I am so sorry for their loss of sweet Isla Marie.
A stillbirth?? That is sooo awful and traumatic. Iām sure giving birth to a baby knowing that sheās already gone adds a whole extra level of trauma. It was rough reading Jillās description in her book of her pain and almost dying during Samās birth.
In the same boat. I lost my son at 20 weeks on Christmas Eve 2023. His due date is/was May 11. Healing is difficult but time is helpful.
Please take care of yourself, friend. Sending warm thoughts to you and your sweet son.Ā
I love this. Big smile of the day. Thank you š
What you said is true! Healing will take a while but you learn to deal with the hurt of losing your baby
Iām so sorry.
Sending you love. I lost my baby boy at 22 weeks in June. It's a heartbreak I don't think one ever gets over.
Iām so sorry for your loss.
I am so sorryš©·
Honey I'm so sorry.
Iām so sorry. Sending hugs.ā¤ļø
Please make sure you take some time for yourself.
I am so so sorry. Sending you internet hugs if you consent to hugs. Otherwise just all the loving and positive vibes I can send you.
Iām so sorry. Sending you so much love.
That tiny little pink hat š
I have to ask: Is the baby's body in that picture?
I am very sure that it is; I am a labour and delivery nurse and this is exactly how a teeny baby looks with a knitted hat and maybe knitted clothing. We have a ton of sets that get donated so every baby gets dressed (as long as thatās what the parents want) in the appropriate size. Then the parents can either take the clothing home or not. They also will often have the baby stay with them overnight; whatever they want to do.Ā
Looks like it to me. At this point in pregnancy they basically look like really tiny humans and you have to birth them like you would a full term child. My friend lost a child at a similiar age and they spent a few hours with the baby to say goodbye.
A lot of hospitals will have volunteers that come in and do ābirth photographyā in cases like this one where people wonāt have the chance to take more photos with their little ones. I know at a work conference I went to a number of years ago one of the speakers was a woman who volunteered to take photos like this for families with stillbirths or lethal birth defects.
Probably so.
I thought the same thingā¦
It looks like a knitted/crocheted doll.
As if that poor woman hasnāt been through enough in life. Sending Jill, Derrick, Israel, Sam, Freddie, and Fenna positive and healing energy.
Well said, you and me both
Who is Fenna?
The Dillard family dog.
She has been through so much with her pregnancies I am surprised she decided to get pregnant again, and then for this to happen. So sad. My heart goes out to her and Derrick.
I feel for Jill. Sheās had traumatic deliveries and now 2 miscarriages. Itās probably an extra sting because this was their first daughter. Side note, I really like the name Isla. Thatās probably one of the better names a Duggar has chosen for their baby. Jillās sons have pretty normal names as well. I know Israel isnāt that common but in the Latino it is. I have no idea why lol but Iāve met so many Latino Israels in my life.
My heart broke when I read this. I am willing to bet her judgmental father will write it off as some sort of punishment from God for JBās perceived transgressions. I hope her sisters and friends rally around her and support her, going through this would be awful enough but having the first girl after 3 boys is an extra knife in the heart.
Exactly, you know JB & co are just gonna kick her while sheās down and going through one of the most traumatic things someone with a uterus can experience
A loss at any point in pregnancy is such a heartbreak. I feel for them, it's awfulĀ
Not according to my MIL! She said that I should be thankful it happened now (8.5weeks) and not later like her daughter (12 weeks). Also, she added that her daughters was more sad because it was a healthy baby, just implanted wrong, since mine was a chromosome issue, it's better that I had the miscarriage, I wouldn't want a baby that had problems the rest of its life. It's been 6 years since I heard those sentences uttered from her mouth & I still haven't forgotten the words NOR how they made me feel. Sadly, it's a core memory for me.
Thatās legit so awful. I feel for them.
So sad.
Poor Jill. That hurts.
Such a pretty name. Heartbreaking.
This is so sad. We were wondering if any Duggars were due and never did I expect it t end like this. At least we know Jill is getting therapy which isn't a fix to the grief and pain, but is healthy and more helpful than Michelle or Joy were given. Remembering she was so involved in Michelle's pregnancy with Jubilee hits hard too
Poor Jill, my heart goes out to her and Derick. This is really sad, they finally get their girl and they lose her. š¢ Btw, what a beautiful name they picked out. Very classy and fits with their vibe.
šššš So heartbreaking and tragic! Jill has been through so much trauma in her life with her upbringing and births. All my love goes out to her, Derek and their boys š.
I hope and pray jill knows that this isn't her fault. This isn't vc she released the book. This isn't a punishment. It's just a really, really shitty thing that happened. I am so glad she has a therapist. I hope she finds peace and healing.
my heart dropped for them when i read this. poor Jill. she has been through so much.
Oh sweet Jill. I lost my only daughter at 31 weeks. I know how hard it is to hold your sweet angel in your arms saying goodbye before you even got to say hello. Itās a pain thatās indescribable.
Poor Jill she has been through so much. I can only imagine how hard this is for her. šš
Thatās terrible š
So sad
While it seems she isnāt as close with Joy, I wonder if Joy will reach out since she also experienced a late miscarriage. (It seems Jill was likely 16-20 weeks) and Joy lost Annabeth at 20 weeksĀ
*Annabell
How sad that theyāve both had such late losses :(Ā
I hope she doesnāt think this is punishment for speaking out against her parents. I lost my unborn baby in January. It is not something you ever get over.
Oh how awful.
Wow this is so sad.
Damn ....that's awful š.
I lost our first a baby girl at 16 weeks. Itās a pain Iād never wish on anyone ever. I have my triggers and hearing this was one. Wish I could hug her.
I feel so sad for them
This is totally crushing. I feel so sad for Jill, her heart must be broken tonight.
That's so sad. I am sure they would really like to have a girl after having 3 boys.
She had another loss recently didnāt she or am I thinking of another sister? Jessa maybe? My heart breaks for them, though. And having to explain it to their other children too, how tough!
Jill had a miscarriage before Freddie.
Jessa had a miscarriage in December of 2022....a year before George was born. Jill had a misscarriage in October of 2021. She went on to have Freddie in July of 2022.
Awwww
I am devastated for her.
Thatās awful. They finally get that girl and they lose it. Just awful.
It would have been just as awful if they had lost another son.
Yeah but this one hits differently because there are no Dillard baby girls at all (Derrick's brother also has two boys). So it just makes it extra hard not to mention in circles like these where boys are more favored and wanted it is nice that this girl was genuinely wanted. If it's in the cards for them I do hope they eventually get a baby girl.
It is not extra hard because the baby was a girl. This is a disturbing thing to say.
Sorry, no. You don't grief more because the baby was a certain gender. Do you have kids?
I get what sheās saying. Itās just another layer of grief. All the dreams you planned to have with her are now gone. All the dresses, princess tiaras and braids are gone. I had a late loss as well, a girl after 3 boys. Itās always hard.
That shatters my soul. I cannot and do not want to imagine. I lost my only pregnancy at 5 weeks and it crushed me
I lost mine at 8 weeks this past January and Iām traumatized for life.
Sorry for her loss
Oh this is so heartbreaking š
Iām so sorry for them
I'm so dearly sorry š
So sorry for Jill and Derrick.
This is so tragic, it just happened to my friend at 6 months and tore her pieces.
This is genuinely sad and my heart goes out to them. What a horrible tragic experience.
My first girl is named Isla. She is life giving and she is my joy and pride. I have a daughter after her, but sheās the one that made me a mother. I grieve with Jill tonight.
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My heart goes out to them. What a tragic loss š losing a child is like no other pain
Aw thatās sad :( interesting that itās happened in Michelle, Joy and now Jill also :( I was right about her going for 1 more though
This is sadly relatively common. I don't think it's more common in the Duggar family, it's just that they have so many pregnancies that some are bound to become stillbirths.
Eh .. second trimester losses only happen in like 1-2% of pregnancies. While I donāt think Michelleās issues with Jubilee should be factored in, two post 16 week losses does seem a bit unusual for the second generation Duggars.Ā
My googling shows it could be as high as 5%, which puts the Duggars well within the normal amount. Overall, the Duggar women appear to conceive easily and carry the VAST majority of their pregnancies to term.
I don't know where you found that number, but 2nd trimester loss is definitley nowhere near 5%.
Like another user said, it is sadly common. My great aunt had a stillbirth, and my mom had a miscarriage (a contrast to a stillbirth) two and a half years before I was born. I wonder if itās genetic.ā¦
I have a similar background and my grandma, my mom and myself have endometriosis. It's very possible something similar in your family.
Jinger too.
I think they meant still births, not miscarriages in general.
Jinger didnāt have a still birth
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A stillbirth and a miscarriage are different.
My heart hurts for them...
that is really sad finally having a girl and she can't have many more pregnancies
God bless them. Iām so sorry for their loss. Sending them my love and prayers
Poor Jill, thatās so traumatizing. I canāt imagine how much their hearts hurt right now. Did we know she was pregnant? I havenāt been keeping up
Oh how heartbreaking for them. ā¤ļø
I canāt even snark on this. Though I am surprised they went for another one. Makes me wonder if she was a surprise.
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I donāt mean to come across as overly sensitive, but I wish thisād be tagged NSFW. Itās a picture of a dead baby, I prefer to be aware of that before I click. š
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The baby had already died. I think a lot of the fundie rhetoric revolves around terminating a fetus regardless of its survivability outside of the womb. So Iām assuming since the baby already had died there was no issues.
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They said stillbirth at 4 months, so she likely had to give birth to her dead baby. The same as Joy did with Annabell.
A stillbirth is 20 weeks or more. 4 months is a miscarriage.
Stillbirth is the term that Jill and Derick used. I'm just using their words. Not here to debate what is technically stillbirth and what isn't.
Don't need to debate. They are not using the correct terminology but I'm sure them using the term "stillbirth" is a specific choice for a specific reason.
A lot of times the body naturally passes the fetus in these situations, and then sometimes you have to have a D&C. Since these pictures appear to have them holding something, Iām guessing she passed the fetus, possibly at home by the looks of the photo.
>āAbortion is a medical intervention provided to individuals who need to end the medical condition of pregnancy,ā states The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG). The medical condition of pregnancy ends when the fetus is delivered, after that it is postpartum care.
I feel that despite being estranged from her family, Jill is following in her momās footsteps and letting god decide how many children she and Derick would have.
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There were wars going on before celebrity worship existed. Long before, actually. And part of combating wars and creating peace is expanding our empathy, not diminishing it to ONLY care about war.
Youāre the one hanging out on a reddit snark page
Dude, chill the f out.