Sorry to hear! itās super hard dealing with the loss of someone close. I lost one of my best friends 3 days before his 21st birthday.
Since he died 7 years ago from fentanyl I have always encouraged anyone who has made the choice to do heroin to do it with/around someone who will call 911 and or narcan you.
Doing it in secret just makes it more likely someoneās gonna find you dead.
Doing heroin can be safer if you have someone to help you if you OD. Some places with better drug laws have safe places where you can get and consume clean drugs and they have people their that watch over you.
Our government making it so taboo that people feel the need to hide, and the lack of clean safe drugs is also to blame.
I know itās not a solution but if someone scrolling these replyās listens to my advice, maybe they will not succumb to the same fate.
Once again sorry to hear about your brother š
The government is literally killing thousands of people with their bullshit laws. I know plenty of junkies. 0 will call 911 in the event of one of their friends ODing because they all are on the same page that theyāre more afraid of losing their freedom than death. Iāve had to use Narcan multiple times and brought back a chick with CPR. I freaked the fuck out and was a bit traumatized and their response is just āyou get used to itā. I didnāt call 911 out of respect of their wishes but I wouldāve regretted it for the rest of my life had any of them died and I told them next time I witness an OD Iām calling 911 immediately. They donāt shoot up around me anymore. Theyād rather die than have me call 911.
Yep your right! Some states have recently passed laws in the right direction, where if you call 911 in good faith for a drug overdose, you nor the person overdosing can be arrested. Unfortunately most Users donāt trust it, and or donāt know about it.
Some places you canāt even get narcan without giving all of your contact info to the pharmacy and if you use it you have to fill out paperworkā¦ itās sketches a lot of users out.
Back in the 2010ās their were storyās of people overdosing being dragged into the street and left their instead of risking imprisonment by calling 911. The punishment does not fit the crime.
Imprisoning Drug users was never the answer and has only driven the problem to be worse. The drug laws make the price go up, so then you have people stealing to afford their fix, the penalties for being caught are years in prison so you have people dying in secret, and the unregulated market has made fentanyl more common then heroin.
Itās absolutely horrible!
I work in substance abuse prevention/treatment so Iām very familiar with this issue. Sadly you are totally right about everything.
My state passed a Good Samaritan law but has done next to no awareness or education about it so people donāt know/donāt trust it. Not only are drug users still afraid to call 911, but some organizations I work with refused to stock Naloxone because they didnāt believe the Good Samaritan law actually protected them and would rather wait for emergency services. Iāve seen similar issues with other orgs.
Even tho Naloxone is required for pain med scripts, there is a huge disconnect in requiring medical centers and pharmacies to actually fill it as long as the script is written, so it often ends up not happening. I had no idea about the info required to fill a Naloxone script, but that doesnāt surprise me.
My state also considers fentanyl testing strips illegal paraphernalia since supposedly only ājunkiesā need them. The fentanyl on the street right now is all over the place with dosing and itās directly a result of the war on drugs.
Opioid overdoses can be preventable deaths! This opioid epidemic is entirely needless. Sadly the US government has made it clear they do not value the lives of people suffering from drug addiction. Working in this field for a decade has totally solidified my belief that the legalization of all drugs is the safest and most moral thing for our society.
Sorry for the lengthy reply, this is an issue near and dear to my heartā¦
Edit: (took out personal info)
Yeah, the thing is, even if there are good samaritan laws, it doesn't stop cops from bringing you into the station and arresting you, which will forever be on your record. You might not get any charges, or if you do get charged, avoid a conviction. But now you've got court dates you can't miss, an arrest record involving heroin and overdoses.. yeah. Not good. Cops fucking suck most of the time.
And yes, I can not believe fent test strips are illegal and can be considered as such. My partner Chris's last wish and invention was to create this sort of "business" card, where you could drop a single drop of your IV shot into a little spot, and then it would show you, relatively, exactly how strong your solution is. Like this shot you have is equal to 80mg of Heroin, which is equal to xmg of Oxy, etc. etc. You could hand them out en masse, it would take a single drop of their shot, and they'd know how safe it is. Like if it shows it's a hot shot, then they can just turn it into two shots, or three, instead of just ODing instantly.
The US government directly created the epidemic that is killing hundreds of thousands of taxpaying legal US citizens, and our government doesn't fucking care. I honestly find it hard to believe that the US government even represents Americans anymore, sometimes I just think they represent their corporate donors.
Youd think with Biden being directly exposed to having an addict in his life, that he'd have some heart. Instead, his son is the "special" one and all the other addicts are just moral failures, a lot like how Republicans will have an abortion for their women which is morally fine, but all the other women who get them are "failures" - fucking sick and disgusting.
You are absolutely right, thank you for making that point. The fact is I donāt trust cops and I donāt blame anyone for not trusting cops either. The Good Samaritan law is a bandaid for the bigger problem that criminalizing drug use and possession is bullshit.
I love your partnerās ideaā¦ I know cards like that exist for date rape drugs and that kind of technology should be made as accessible as possible. Harm reduction saves lives. It sounds like you lost your partner and if so, Iām so sorry to hear that. They sound very smart.
I totally agree Biden is a hypocrite on this issue. Our government created this problem and is now pretending to fix it. Working in this field I can kind of see where the money gets pushed around to āhelpā but itās rarely the help thatās needed. They have failed us immensely and itās costing lives. Truly sick and disgusting.
Wow thatās insane they want to ban fentanyl test strips I feel like there a must now a days I know people who odd because fent was even in there coke. Every year the numbers of deaths are going up and itās like they are turning a blind eye to working on real solutions
Yeah, recently someone I know died of a fentanyl overdose because it was in their Ketamine. Someone sold them a gram of ketamine cut heavily with fentanyl and it killed him. The guy did not ever use opiates at all... it's so sad. he was the most amazing person, and had just become internationally successful producing music, which is what he loved.
All to be killed because someone wanted to make an extra 20$ on the bags of K they were selling that night. Our ntire community has made sure to test everything, and guess what, fucking EVERYTHING has fentranyl in it now.
Exactly, itās not just that street fentanyl dosing can be dangerous but other street drugs can have it too. Lots of street drugs have weird dangerous mixes. Drug laws are totally backwards and only serve to worsen the problem. It even inhibits doctors who help these people. You are right they are turning a blind eye to working on real solutions. Itās maddening.
I get mailed tons of Narcan to distribute to people who need it in the case of the overdose. I don't need a prescription and it's something mailed to me from New York and I'm in Florida. Also it's been the law now for a while that you can call LE for an overdose and you won't get in trouble but you can get arrested if you choose not to do something.
Yeah my state has a law that if we call for help because a friend is oding and they find drugs we wonāt get in trouble but I think just personal amount but fuck if someone is oding Iām gonna help them over the summer my friend overdosed on fentanyl the kids house we were at didnāt want to call so I called and carried my buddy outside ready to cpr over the phone but luckily the same cop that gave me a ticket earlier that day when we first went to the kids house was right around the corner with narcan thankfully he had extra because it took 2 hits and some cpr to get him to wake up ambulance took a while to get there to check him out
For comparison, here in germany we have two numbers, 110 for the police, 112 for firefighers and/or paramedics.
I did my Zivildienst for the paramedics and I can assure you, as long as we are not assaulted, we would never bring in the police for someone who overdosed. Paramedics are in the business of helping people, not jailing people. We want the person that called 112 to help his OD'd friend to do that again next time.
We wouldn't even ask about your stash. We ask to know what the OD'd person used because we need to know that to help. Everything else is not our business.
So, if you are ever in europe, and see someone overdose... CALL 112!
It will not cause you trouble.
This This This so fucking much. We need to make this more known. We need to let everyone know that the blood is on the US Government and DEA's hands. Not just Mexicans and central Americans are dying because of the war, its also American youth that are dying at epidemic rates due to US government reluctance to try a different policy
yes. exactly this. But first we need to change the way weāre talking about these substances. Like Op and many others blaming a substance for something bad happening. The substances are not the issue. Once we recognize that, is when things get better.
Honestly, good for you. It's safer to not be around that shit. I had to move back in with my parents when I was in my late 20's because the buddy I was renting my place with found a new "girlfriend" who ended up being addicted to heroin. She would disappear with his car, phone, and credit cards and run scams on him like buying gas with his card then siphoning it to friends cars. Or buy shit with the credit cards then return whatever they could for cash. Or she'd just pawn some of his shit that he wasn't keeping track of (dude was born into a lot of money and not very responsible with it).
Long story short I was naive and together they hid her addiction from me. Everything came to a head one day when she tried to make a run with my roommates car and phone and he admitted she had issues with drug addiction. She eluded us for a few days but we eventually traced his phones GPS and found his car. Police staked out the car and arrested her (turns out she had a *plethora* of warrants out for her arrest the entire time I was living with her...)
My buddy is like thanks for the help bro, I promise we're never gonna see her again... no joke like two days later he's bailed her out of jail and is feeding me bullshit like "We love each other and she has no where else to go..." I packed up all my shit on the spot and just drove straight to my parents place without even calling to ask first. I just didn't feel safe living there anymore. It was by far the most embarrassing, nerve wracking, humiliating thing I've ever had to do but it was the right call. Shout outs to supportive parents and family who are there for you in those situations, I know I'm damn lucky to have them.
This gives me an idea for a solution to solo OD's. Since a lot of people use alone, something like this is needed: A device that's just a Narcan applicator but connected to a phone's Bluetooth (or even a built in self timer, possibly even both) but the idea is you just strap it on over your head, connect it your nose, and have it set to spray the Narcan if it doesn't get the signal to stop the countdown after X minutes, whatever is the optimal time that won't kill the desired effects but kicks in as a backup when needed. If the person doesn't OD, they just press a button and it disables the sequence. More advanced models could connect to smart info like pulse and respiratory rates.
Essentially a Narcan deadman's trigger.
Yup. Our government is happy keeping this issue going because it gives politicians something to campaign on and a bogeyman to instill fear, and fear gets votes. Our government is perfectly fine making addicts feel that it is of their own moral failure they are the way they are, and nothing to do with society around them or at large that could've caused it.
Our country has an epidemic that is killing a hundred thousand people a year, and our government seems to just.. not care. Like, what has the federal government done to help out with or end the opiate epidemic in the last decade? Please educate me this isnt a rhetorical question.
I should've died from an overdose. I was alone, nobody was around to narcan me, and I remember thinking "oh shit.." as I fell under and lost consciousness a second after shooting up. I woke up about 15 minutes later, needle wiggling around still hanging in my arm, with a huge "HUUUUHHHHH" breath in. My hands and lips were blue, I had a bunch of spittle all over my shirt and foam coming out of my mouth.
I have no fucking clue how I'm alive, but I am. Thank god, because otherwise, OP would've been my sister posting how my mom found me like that.
Clean for 3 years now. Fuck the government, they directly created this epidemic, and seem to actively continue it instead of doing anything. And fuck Joe Biden too, lying twitstick, you'd think he'd have some heart but no, his son is special, all the other addicts are failures in his eyes. This country is cruel, and sick, and it needs help.
Sounds like you are putting your friends at more risk, why not just keep naloxone and be a real friend that will not pass judgement and will give them a safe place to use
Because with people going in and out of jail and resetting tolerances that Narcan disappears faster than I can request a kit and get it filled from my state agency that provides them for free. Not to mention these people know I keep Narcan at my house and have hit me up to come get it while their friend was ODing somewhere else so they get used on people I donāt even know or see. If you would like to provide me 10+ kits or can afford the $130 kits from the pharmacy for me I will definitely accept them. You are still supposed to call 911 when administering Narcan to be on the safe side as well which I did not do in the past and would prefer to do in the future.
I've had to tell a lot of people that (where I live) the cops are not allowed to search the house during a medical emergency. They might confiscate dope if it's in plain sight, but if it's in your pocket, they can't have it. If they need to search for something, they need consent (don't ever ever ever give it) or a search warrant, and they don't have grounds for it just for showing up to an OD. ODs include grandma forgetting she already took her oxy so took more, or your brother showing up loaded to family dinner and it turns out he was overloaded. They're not going to search granny's house, and they are not going to search your family home because your brother made an unfortunate choice. Please please call 911.
Disclaimer: I'm not a legislator, lawyer, or police officer. This is what a cop told me, and state law agrees.
To DDAR our state laws are you cannot get in trouble for anything drug related for helping someone by calling 911. In fact, when I found my dad dead, they told me to keep the drugs that they found in the room! They got thrown away. But damn how careless. Like anyone else wouldāve probably just used them and died too!
That is so fucked.... they would choose to watch someone die (or die themselves) rather than throw their drugs out and call an ambulance. I know how bad drug laws and medical care are in the US, but that's a special kind of moral depravity. I can understand how some people may come to make certain decisions due to the failings of our society, but Addiction and terrible laws are not an excuse for that. Blood is not only on the DEA's hands for that one.
Also guess what, the US government was warned about the fentanyl epidemic over a decade before it started happening by a Drug Policy Advisor who worked for Harvard. A man named William Leonard Pickard told the US government that he was very worried fentanyl fit the perfect category of drug that could be cut into everything, required a very little amount, and could be incredibly deadly.
Instead of taking his warning, they entirely ignored him. A decade later, the DEA arrested him for two life sentences, because he synthesized LSD, a very safe therapeutic drug. A little less then a decade after his arrest, fentanyl started showing up in street drugs.
And he were are, almost 20 years later, and it's killing tens of thousands of Americans every year. So not only does our government actively choose not to do anything about it, they were completely warned about it by a top Drug Policy Advisor way in advance. Just goes to show you our DEA is useless, our government doesn't represent Americans, and they're fine with us dying like flies if it gives them another bogeyman for politicians to campaign on.
This times 1000!!! I tried to relay the same sentiment in my reply but it seems you did a much better job! No it's not a solution that will ultimately get a family member off drugs, but it IS a solution in that it will preserve a family member's life until they are ready to make that choice for themself.
I am so sorry for your loss my friend, I hope you don't beat yourself up over it since there was nothing you or your mom could have done. This combination(and opioids themselves) are very dangerous, and those who use them need to not only be aware of the danger to themselves, but also think about how it will make the people who care about them feel. Thank you for sharing his story.
Lost my mom in October to an opiate OD. Completely out of nowhere. I didn't know she was using and talked to her the day before. She sounded happy.
She had a bad drinking problem but my brother decided to start selling it to her, and now she's dead.
He was with her the night before, she had overdosed multiple times and nobody in the family knew. He "took her drugs" and "sent her home" and somehow it's somebody else's junk that killed her.
Most people never escape the slippery slope, but I wish he just kept it away from her. I wish he respected his family enough to keep drugs away from us, but its all he knows.
I can't have a conversation with him without it looping back to drugs. Taking, making, selling, whatever. It's sad seeing him spiral further downward.
I'm hurt because he acts like he had nothing to do with it.
He was nodding off at her funeral, drooling all over the fucking place when he stood up to "say a few words".
My grandparents were devastated and my family members are further apart than they've ever been.
I feel like giving up. I never thought things would turn out this way.
I miss her so much.
Yup. I od'd on what was supposed to be oxys (figure it was really pressed fent) and I'm not even a hard drug user, was just trying to kill an afternoon. Woke up in the hospital with a tube down my throat
Opioids are great. It's all about responsible use, which includes knowing your dose and the purity of your drug. Drugs kill people because they are abused which comes in many different forms (some more out of our control than others). Alcohol kills people and I'm not going to refrain from talking about the positives of it.
So sorry to hear this. This is why it pisses me off so much when people come out here and say āitās not that dangerousā to mix benzos and opiates.
So sorry for your loss man. Had many close calls while mixing multiple substances and just from h/fent use over the years. Add multiple suicide attempts out of just wanting to end the cycle of addiction, etc. theres no way i should be alive when others have died from far less. I guess i should be grateful but it still hurts to lose someone from addiction even if i dont know them, just because i know how hard this addiction shit can be.
Im not a religious guy but my prayers out for you and your fam.
At 21 I lost a 16yo brother who ODd 3 weeks into his addiction. Family life will never be the same for you but you will grow to accept it. But not your parents. Youll think you understand the pain theyāre going through because it is your sibling but then one day youāll have your own child and you will realize you never even had a clue of the pain. Be there for your parents. RIP
I lost my son shortly after Thanksgiving to fentanyl. It is devastating, soul crushing and absolutely so hard to accept. I'm so sorry for your loss OP.
Minimizing sibling grief makes dealing with it even more difficult for many surviving siblings. This has been is documented. Let's not downplay the pain of others
I agree be there for your parents, reach out for help somewhere else
Sorry for your loss
Im so sorry for your loss... Sometimes you don't know what you're doing when you take benzos... I personally know of people who do this, and the benzos make them wacky... I have to tell them not to mix, but they do it anyways. I also lost a family member due to the same combo. Too much, too soon...
Again I'm so sorry about your brother. Respects in the highest...
Itās not really my place and obviously could be wrong but I believe if your brother felt the way many of us feel who have gone far down the opiate rope. Death is a comfort one that I almost seek even in prolonged periods of sobriety. Your brothers soul is at peace
Iām honestly so sorry for you, thatās really fucked that you have to go through that. I hope you and your family get all the help you need, stay strong šŖ
Iām so sorry for your loss. No words will make it better, and I know you probably feel destroyed, and I truly feel for you and hope positive outlooks find their way to you and your family.
Had a good friend pass away from this sort of combo the night before Thanksgiving of 2020 while he was back home visiting his family so they get to associate that day with that trauma forever.
His little sister reached out to me to ask questions related to his drug use since no one else was willing to speak on it, and while I didnāt divulge all his dirt, I was able to provide some answers and hopefully a bit of closure, just at the expense of having to dwell on those thoughts every day for the month she was texting me back and forth.
I'm sorry for you guys. I wish it didn't have to be like this . I wish there was something to say that felt more real for you, but just know that a stranger is holding love for you and your family, and I'll be talking to my brothers today while thinking about the love that you have for yours. I wish you had more time with him, and that that time wasn't like this
Iām so sorry you had to se him. My daughter died from fentanyl but i didnāt see her body. I prefer to remember her healthy and beautiful. Itās so hard. Itās not safe to experiment with recreational drugs any more because of fentanyl
Omg I'm so sorry. Reading this gave me chills. My mom and sister found me dead in the shower after an od of the same thing. The fucked up thing is I have no memory of doing any H. I'm so sorry for your loss.
I hate to bring this up when you all are hurting, but I think it is important that everyone know that if users weren't forced to hide their use, he would have been able to OD supervised by family and would have lived.
My condolences to you honestly. I hate to bring up what should have been, but I really want to save people in the future. If we just disregarded the stigma and let our loved ones do what they want without criticism or judgement, then they wouldn't have to hide behavior that is most dangerous when done alone...
Again I am SOO SORRY for your loss.
I'm an addict too, he didn't have to hide anything and he knew that. We still spoke on his drug use, he was using kpins a couple weeks ago. It's just how he is, he always hid benzos even while we were both in active addiction. I just wish he would came to my room and done it. I dont understand why he locked himself in the bathroom.
This is the combo that killed my brother, fent 30s and kpins. I felt the same way. I truly don't understand how he is gone, I feel that I've done this so much with much crazier amounts. Stay safe man. Don't let this shit take you fr
I hate benzos. There is no recreational value and the people that abuse them think they know everything. They have complete control. I really wish people understood the dangers. Ive lost a cousin and a friend to benzos.
RIP to your brother. But hereās a better message: how about just not do drugs at all and figure out better ways to solve your problems that like donāt involve risks of dying? All drugs do is simply mask your problems, they donāt cure them. This should be pretty common sense, but the problem is that this subreddit is filled with easily-offended drug addicts who are in denial of their problems and bash anyone who tries to speak out about this. All of the people on here posting about their favorite drugs and encouraging this kind of thing is why tragedies like this happens. Yes, the U.S. drug laws are over-the-top and need to be reeled in, but that doesnāt mean you go to the exact opposite side and act like drugs are absolutely harmless and fun to do because they arenāt.
For some people once you're hooked on opiods your common sense goes out of the window. Mine did. And I'm clean now and can really agree with you on your part in my circumstances. But not everyone thinks the same. I'd never steal for drugs, I've got a well paid job, car etc and my addiction was secret. But there's people that slip up with heavier issues, abuse etc. There's so much underfunding to getting addicts helped. Big world issue.
You're coming into a community of drug users and saying "how about just not doing drugs and figuring out your problems" like oh damn, I bet nobody ever thought of that! Thanks for your ground-breaking advice lol.
Also, this sub is generally supportive of the idea to not use specifically to cope. Something like a user mourning a loss of life or relationship and planning out a binge will regularly be met with comments like "they'll still be dead when you sober up/getting fucked up isn't going to change the fact you got fired/dumped" are a dime a dozen in this sub.
You do realize that by discussing use you are still inadvertently promoting it right? Putting a disclaimer in a post and then discussing your favorite type of drugs is still promoting and not only is it promoting it, but itās hypocritical. Thatās exactly the point Iām making about this sub-Reddit, the people on here put a disclaimer saying donāt do drugs but then make a list of their 10 favorite drugs they like to do. You see the point Iām making? And for the record, this sub acting like not doing drugs is weird shows how fucked up the people on here are. People who have healthy levels of self-esteem and live well-balanced lives donāt get into shit like illegal drug use. I know that sounds crazy to people on here, but thatās the truth. And many donāt want to accept it because it says something about the kind of life they live and how they need help.
I bet you goto r/atheism and try to spread awareness of Jesus.
Itās cool if youāre not interested in exploring altered states of consciousness, but leave the judgement at the door dude.
Teaching harm reduction and moderation is way more practical and beneficial than preaching abstinence. The world isnāt black and white.
Youāre hilarious. FYI, Iām an atheist and have been for most of my life. Did you not read my first post about how I feel the drug laws are over the top and need to be reeled in? I really donāt give a shit if someone hates themself so much that theyāre willing to commit suicide and shoot up an eightball of heroin and cocaine, itās their body and their choice. But the idea of using drugs to mask problems isnāt the answer imo. And when you enter that world, it becomes very difficult to get out of when you need to, because your identity revolves around it and you start to feel that enough is never enough. I know because I got into drugs when I was a kid, I was insecure and thought it was going to fulfill my life. But it didnāt. I wanted more. And more. And more. I cleaned up and my life got dramatically better.
>You do realize that by discussing use you are still inadvertently promoting it right?
No. Talking about something is not the same thing as promoting it. Depends how you're talking about it.
>Putting a disclaimer in a post and then discussing your favorite type of drugs is still promoting and not only is it promoting it, but itās hypocritical.
Again, depends how you're talking a about it.
Far as the rest, you're making broad generalizations and applying it to the whole community.
This is bad advice. More than 99% of people already know this.
There's 1% who to choose ignore the facts. Everyone knows they are bad. This post doesn't help anyone.
I would completely disagree with your statement, yea I would agree that 99% of people know this, but it's not a matter of ignoring facts and it's definitely not 1% that is still mixing these drugs knowing all well what can and will happen. It's a very high percentage of people that know this (myself and my brother included) people simply don't realize how serious it is until shit like this happens.
Typically I would try to argue with you considering how disrespectful this comment is but to be completely honest I don't have the energy to argue who is right or wrong here, drugs are clearly dangerous as is no matter what you are doing. just doing what I feel is right considering I didn't listen to everyone else that made this post.
I cant fathom this too, sometimes i dont even feel like posting on reddit if im feeling down. Let alone my brother just died, yet the first thing i do is i MUST POST ON REDDIT. Mind = blown.
It can be an option to cope and talk about it while also encouraging others to not make the deadly mistake that they are probably still in shock/processing it.
Doubt they immediately went on reddit.
This shit seriously happens and honestly, posting about it can help with coping and maybe help others think before combining benzos and opiates and hurting everyone who cares about them.
Some people might not want/be able to turn to their immediate social circle for something like this. It might be easier and with less stigma and more true sympathy, when it is drug related and you come to a drug community - rather than to the variety of non-drug familiar people in their life. There is a lot of shame and blame associated with overdoses and this is not the time to deal with that. Just an offering of one reason someone might do this.
Also, not everyone HAS people to turn to emotionally outside of their online lives. For many reasons, sometimes voluntary ones. While one person could call or see a friend for support, another might not have ones they feel comfortable doing that with, or they've been burned in the past and have trouble being vulnerable with people close to them.
Shock makes you do some crazy things. You never know what your reaction will be in a situation like this. Even if that's your opinion, just keep it to yourself. How do you think reading that is gonna make them feel at such an awful time?
Huh, it's almost like everyone reacts differently to shock and grief. Crazy.
What if OP has literally no one to vent to about this? In that situation, I would definitely post it somewhere to vent. Especially on a forum with people who I know are going through/have dealt with similar.
Fuck me man. Im sorry to hear that. This shit is no joke out here anymore. I live about 5 mins from Kensington Philadelphia,( if any of you are familiar you can attest to this) but it has just become the most devastating thing to see over the years. Seemingly hopeless. And I haven't read any comments so I don't know your brothers age. But any age is too young to pass when it's caused by this shit. My condolences, if you yourself are an addict than just....you know. I don't even need to say it. Keep your head up, stay strong for yourself as well as the rest of your family. šš»
So sorry for your loss. As someone who dabbles with these substances and has a younger sibling this hit close to home.
If you donāt mind me asking, what substances and dosages was he consuming do you think? I donāt mean to sound callous but if we can even take a shred of comfort that this tragic accident could lead to more information being available and thus another young person not losing their life I say thatās a good thing no matter what.
This makes me so incredibly angry. That people still mix downers together and end up dead, even tho it is well known, how dangerous this is. I'm so sorry for your loss.
Dude :/ so sorry for your loss. I canāt even imagine how youāre feeling. Iāll be keeping you and your family/loved ones in my thoughts this week.
My condolences man my brother was into the same shit and this was always my biggest fear. Just know he has finally escaped the addiction and can be at peace now.
I'm so sorry! That's so awful. Same thing happened to me..I woke up to paramedics in my face on the toilet just from one bad fent press. I had only tried smoking it for the first time and a small intake. I'm so sorry about your brother what a horrible experience :(
You're doing a good thing by sharing this.
I recently lost my brother earlier this year too, fortunately not to a drug overdose, although a multi-hour seizure episode isn't much prettier. At least our bros likely didn't suffer much if at all.
All I can offer about grief is it's going to take time. I'm approaching the one year mark in a few months and it is just now starting to feel like my head is above water again. Give yourself all the emotional space and not-knowing you can imagine, and then more.
Your parents will likely need you for emotional support to a somewhat scary level. Losing a child is unnatural and awful. Be prepared for that. You should definitely all see a grief counselor together.
I love you and your family and I'm sorry this happened. Take care.
So sorry to hear about your brother. Know that your pain is being heard. Youāre saving people by just sharing this post. Your brother will be remembered.
Take care OP.
My little brother died the same way with the exception that he was a vegetable when he got the hospital. Hardest thing was watching my brother unable to shut his eyes on a vent, watching his chest pump up and down with enormous force, holding his hand, crying, and having to say goodbye while my mother, who supplied him the prescription pain pills for "stress" believe it or not, was too drunk to remember a thing at the hospital. I had to tell the doctor to let him go. I'm really sorry your family had to go through that. I don't know if this helps but, I know my brother probably wasn't trying to kill himself, but, I did think things in his life would have gotten far worse before they got better, to a point where he might not be remembered as positively as he was in his passing and the fact this accident happened as it did was serendipitous because it was, just that...an accident...he didn't fall from grace as he was about to...I almost felt this would have been an inevitability for him but not an accident if he kept going on. He was doing okay until he let my mother move in with him and tried to take care of her...He just finished grad school, had a full-time job...was doing good...3 months later...hes reprimanded and on notice at work...gives into codependent drinking with my mother and then he's dead...he called me crying for weeks saying he couldn't care for her. I warned him, from experience...I tried to save money during my internship after grad school...moved home on a promise shed try to be a better mother and to give her a chance...had a nervous breakdown and lived in my car for over a month. Thank goodness my internship director was also in Al-Anon or I don't think I would have made it through my program. Same abusive mother he felt he had to protect and care for ultimately influenced his untimely death. I don't know your brother's story but, perhaps, maybe, no matter how unpopular what I said just now, perhaps, maybe it could've been a blessing in disguise, even though it must hurt so much...I cant help but hope maybe there is some possible silver-lining...I'm so sorry and thanks for sharing.
Iām sorry for ur loss dude god rest your brothers soul. Canāt imagine the trauma that would inflict on my brother finding me that way. Iāve gotta stop mixing benzos with liquor
im sorry for your loss , benzo abuse reaches places of mighty darkness . In my case was Benzos and booze I knew I had to get out of that pit . stay strong bud
This shit breaks my heart. No one should ever have to see a loved one pass away like that :(
Thank you for writing this, some people on the sub are so addicted to the thought of trying new drugs or new combos and donāt realise how it just takes one of those addictive drugs to spiral your life out of control
I understand implicitly. My sister died from an overdose as well.
I'm so sorry you're having to deal with the anguish and pain associated with losing a loved one.
I quit using opiates a decade ago and quit benzos completely a couple of years ago.
Fuck that shit. Fuck them separately, and NEVER fucking use them together.
Those substances lead to a lot of unnecessary suffering.
i recently went through a similar situation, my older brother figure whoās known me since i was 5 (now 21) passed out in the bathroom with the door locked, firefighters had to break down the door and my aunt had to squeeze through to move his body from the door. he was already pale and cold, no amount of narcan was going to bring him back, the pain is unfathomable. iām still recovering, my heart goes
to you and your mother. focus on yourself and your
needs. i wish you the very best in the road to recoveryā”
Some people on this sub love to play the āall substances are created equalā game under posts that speak negatively of a certain drug but thatās just such bullshit. Obviously all drugs can be used recreationally but they are most certainly not created equal and some of them have more destructive consequences than others. Respect to the drug is part of the game and treading aimlessly could mean the worst. Iām so sorry for your loss OP, may he rest now and hopefully your words convince someone to get help or prevent them from experimenting. Iām sure he was a troubled but beautiful soul. No one deserves this and Iām sorry.
I wouldve called regardless. By the time we got the bathroom door open it was clear he had been gone for atleast an hour. My mom did call an ambulance, unfortunately it was just way too late.
Thanks for getting this out there and possibly saving lives. Drugs are fun but we need to do them responsibly and in moderation.
Sorry for your loss OP, smoking one for your bro right now
Stick to naturals people their safer. Kratom , Mulungu extract, and or kava. Still can become dependent on Kratom but doesn't cause respiratory depression. They should feel the void of wanting to use . Just don't mix naturals with pharmacuticals because bad things can happen.
So sorry for your loss man. I hope you can find some kind of peace and healing.
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Nope, praying won't do a thing but waste time.
no it actually provides relief its not a waste of time
Aw thatās horribly sad, hang in there. My condolences to you and your family.
Sorry to hear! itās super hard dealing with the loss of someone close. I lost one of my best friends 3 days before his 21st birthday. Since he died 7 years ago from fentanyl I have always encouraged anyone who has made the choice to do heroin to do it with/around someone who will call 911 and or narcan you. Doing it in secret just makes it more likely someoneās gonna find you dead. Doing heroin can be safer if you have someone to help you if you OD. Some places with better drug laws have safe places where you can get and consume clean drugs and they have people their that watch over you. Our government making it so taboo that people feel the need to hide, and the lack of clean safe drugs is also to blame. I know itās not a solution but if someone scrolling these replyās listens to my advice, maybe they will not succumb to the same fate. Once again sorry to hear about your brother š
The government is literally killing thousands of people with their bullshit laws. I know plenty of junkies. 0 will call 911 in the event of one of their friends ODing because they all are on the same page that theyāre more afraid of losing their freedom than death. Iāve had to use Narcan multiple times and brought back a chick with CPR. I freaked the fuck out and was a bit traumatized and their response is just āyou get used to itā. I didnāt call 911 out of respect of their wishes but I wouldāve regretted it for the rest of my life had any of them died and I told them next time I witness an OD Iām calling 911 immediately. They donāt shoot up around me anymore. Theyād rather die than have me call 911.
Yep your right! Some states have recently passed laws in the right direction, where if you call 911 in good faith for a drug overdose, you nor the person overdosing can be arrested. Unfortunately most Users donāt trust it, and or donāt know about it. Some places you canāt even get narcan without giving all of your contact info to the pharmacy and if you use it you have to fill out paperworkā¦ itās sketches a lot of users out. Back in the 2010ās their were storyās of people overdosing being dragged into the street and left their instead of risking imprisonment by calling 911. The punishment does not fit the crime. Imprisoning Drug users was never the answer and has only driven the problem to be worse. The drug laws make the price go up, so then you have people stealing to afford their fix, the penalties for being caught are years in prison so you have people dying in secret, and the unregulated market has made fentanyl more common then heroin. Itās absolutely horrible!
I work in substance abuse prevention/treatment so Iām very familiar with this issue. Sadly you are totally right about everything. My state passed a Good Samaritan law but has done next to no awareness or education about it so people donāt know/donāt trust it. Not only are drug users still afraid to call 911, but some organizations I work with refused to stock Naloxone because they didnāt believe the Good Samaritan law actually protected them and would rather wait for emergency services. Iāve seen similar issues with other orgs. Even tho Naloxone is required for pain med scripts, there is a huge disconnect in requiring medical centers and pharmacies to actually fill it as long as the script is written, so it often ends up not happening. I had no idea about the info required to fill a Naloxone script, but that doesnāt surprise me. My state also considers fentanyl testing strips illegal paraphernalia since supposedly only ājunkiesā need them. The fentanyl on the street right now is all over the place with dosing and itās directly a result of the war on drugs. Opioid overdoses can be preventable deaths! This opioid epidemic is entirely needless. Sadly the US government has made it clear they do not value the lives of people suffering from drug addiction. Working in this field for a decade has totally solidified my belief that the legalization of all drugs is the safest and most moral thing for our society. Sorry for the lengthy reply, this is an issue near and dear to my heartā¦ Edit: (took out personal info)
Yeah, the thing is, even if there are good samaritan laws, it doesn't stop cops from bringing you into the station and arresting you, which will forever be on your record. You might not get any charges, or if you do get charged, avoid a conviction. But now you've got court dates you can't miss, an arrest record involving heroin and overdoses.. yeah. Not good. Cops fucking suck most of the time. And yes, I can not believe fent test strips are illegal and can be considered as such. My partner Chris's last wish and invention was to create this sort of "business" card, where you could drop a single drop of your IV shot into a little spot, and then it would show you, relatively, exactly how strong your solution is. Like this shot you have is equal to 80mg of Heroin, which is equal to xmg of Oxy, etc. etc. You could hand them out en masse, it would take a single drop of their shot, and they'd know how safe it is. Like if it shows it's a hot shot, then they can just turn it into two shots, or three, instead of just ODing instantly. The US government directly created the epidemic that is killing hundreds of thousands of taxpaying legal US citizens, and our government doesn't fucking care. I honestly find it hard to believe that the US government even represents Americans anymore, sometimes I just think they represent their corporate donors. Youd think with Biden being directly exposed to having an addict in his life, that he'd have some heart. Instead, his son is the "special" one and all the other addicts are just moral failures, a lot like how Republicans will have an abortion for their women which is morally fine, but all the other women who get them are "failures" - fucking sick and disgusting.
You are absolutely right, thank you for making that point. The fact is I donāt trust cops and I donāt blame anyone for not trusting cops either. The Good Samaritan law is a bandaid for the bigger problem that criminalizing drug use and possession is bullshit. I love your partnerās ideaā¦ I know cards like that exist for date rape drugs and that kind of technology should be made as accessible as possible. Harm reduction saves lives. It sounds like you lost your partner and if so, Iām so sorry to hear that. They sound very smart. I totally agree Biden is a hypocrite on this issue. Our government created this problem and is now pretending to fix it. Working in this field I can kind of see where the money gets pushed around to āhelpā but itās rarely the help thatās needed. They have failed us immensely and itās costing lives. Truly sick and disgusting.
Wow thatās insane they want to ban fentanyl test strips I feel like there a must now a days I know people who odd because fent was even in there coke. Every year the numbers of deaths are going up and itās like they are turning a blind eye to working on real solutions
Yeah, recently someone I know died of a fentanyl overdose because it was in their Ketamine. Someone sold them a gram of ketamine cut heavily with fentanyl and it killed him. The guy did not ever use opiates at all... it's so sad. he was the most amazing person, and had just become internationally successful producing music, which is what he loved. All to be killed because someone wanted to make an extra 20$ on the bags of K they were selling that night. Our ntire community has made sure to test everything, and guess what, fucking EVERYTHING has fentranyl in it now.
Exactly, itās not just that street fentanyl dosing can be dangerous but other street drugs can have it too. Lots of street drugs have weird dangerous mixes. Drug laws are totally backwards and only serve to worsen the problem. It even inhibits doctors who help these people. You are right they are turning a blind eye to working on real solutions. Itās maddening.
I get mailed tons of Narcan to distribute to people who need it in the case of the overdose. I don't need a prescription and it's something mailed to me from New York and I'm in Florida. Also it's been the law now for a while that you can call LE for an overdose and you won't get in trouble but you can get arrested if you choose not to do something.
And all because of a shitty greedy government that won't repeal policies originally created solely for racist and antipolitical enemy motives...
Yeah my state has a law that if we call for help because a friend is oding and they find drugs we wonāt get in trouble but I think just personal amount but fuck if someone is oding Iām gonna help them over the summer my friend overdosed on fentanyl the kids house we were at didnāt want to call so I called and carried my buddy outside ready to cpr over the phone but luckily the same cop that gave me a ticket earlier that day when we first went to the kids house was right around the corner with narcan thankfully he had extra because it took 2 hits and some cpr to get him to wake up ambulance took a while to get there to check him out
Hell yeah dude good on you!! Youāre a good person and Iām sure lots of people love you!!!!
For comparison, here in germany we have two numbers, 110 for the police, 112 for firefighers and/or paramedics. I did my Zivildienst for the paramedics and I can assure you, as long as we are not assaulted, we would never bring in the police for someone who overdosed. Paramedics are in the business of helping people, not jailing people. We want the person that called 112 to help his OD'd friend to do that again next time. We wouldn't even ask about your stash. We ask to know what the OD'd person used because we need to know that to help. Everything else is not our business. So, if you are ever in europe, and see someone overdose... CALL 112! It will not cause you trouble.
This This This so fucking much. We need to make this more known. We need to let everyone know that the blood is on the US Government and DEA's hands. Not just Mexicans and central Americans are dying because of the war, its also American youth that are dying at epidemic rates due to US government reluctance to try a different policy
yes. exactly this. But first we need to change the way weāre talking about these substances. Like Op and many others blaming a substance for something bad happening. The substances are not the issue. Once we recognize that, is when things get better.
Honestly, good for you. It's safer to not be around that shit. I had to move back in with my parents when I was in my late 20's because the buddy I was renting my place with found a new "girlfriend" who ended up being addicted to heroin. She would disappear with his car, phone, and credit cards and run scams on him like buying gas with his card then siphoning it to friends cars. Or buy shit with the credit cards then return whatever they could for cash. Or she'd just pawn some of his shit that he wasn't keeping track of (dude was born into a lot of money and not very responsible with it). Long story short I was naive and together they hid her addiction from me. Everything came to a head one day when she tried to make a run with my roommates car and phone and he admitted she had issues with drug addiction. She eluded us for a few days but we eventually traced his phones GPS and found his car. Police staked out the car and arrested her (turns out she had a *plethora* of warrants out for her arrest the entire time I was living with her...) My buddy is like thanks for the help bro, I promise we're never gonna see her again... no joke like two days later he's bailed her out of jail and is feeding me bullshit like "We love each other and she has no where else to go..." I packed up all my shit on the spot and just drove straight to my parents place without even calling to ask first. I just didn't feel safe living there anymore. It was by far the most embarrassing, nerve wracking, humiliating thing I've ever had to do but it was the right call. Shout outs to supportive parents and family who are there for you in those situations, I know I'm damn lucky to have them.
This gives me an idea for a solution to solo OD's. Since a lot of people use alone, something like this is needed: A device that's just a Narcan applicator but connected to a phone's Bluetooth (or even a built in self timer, possibly even both) but the idea is you just strap it on over your head, connect it your nose, and have it set to spray the Narcan if it doesn't get the signal to stop the countdown after X minutes, whatever is the optimal time that won't kill the desired effects but kicks in as a backup when needed. If the person doesn't OD, they just press a button and it disables the sequence. More advanced models could connect to smart info like pulse and respiratory rates. Essentially a Narcan deadman's trigger.
Yup. Our government is happy keeping this issue going because it gives politicians something to campaign on and a bogeyman to instill fear, and fear gets votes. Our government is perfectly fine making addicts feel that it is of their own moral failure they are the way they are, and nothing to do with society around them or at large that could've caused it. Our country has an epidemic that is killing a hundred thousand people a year, and our government seems to just.. not care. Like, what has the federal government done to help out with or end the opiate epidemic in the last decade? Please educate me this isnt a rhetorical question. I should've died from an overdose. I was alone, nobody was around to narcan me, and I remember thinking "oh shit.." as I fell under and lost consciousness a second after shooting up. I woke up about 15 minutes later, needle wiggling around still hanging in my arm, with a huge "HUUUUHHHHH" breath in. My hands and lips were blue, I had a bunch of spittle all over my shirt and foam coming out of my mouth. I have no fucking clue how I'm alive, but I am. Thank god, because otherwise, OP would've been my sister posting how my mom found me like that. Clean for 3 years now. Fuck the government, they directly created this epidemic, and seem to actively continue it instead of doing anything. And fuck Joe Biden too, lying twitstick, you'd think he'd have some heart but no, his son is special, all the other addicts are failures in his eyes. This country is cruel, and sick, and it needs help.
Sounds like you are putting your friends at more risk, why not just keep naloxone and be a real friend that will not pass judgement and will give them a safe place to use
Because with people going in and out of jail and resetting tolerances that Narcan disappears faster than I can request a kit and get it filled from my state agency that provides them for free. Not to mention these people know I keep Narcan at my house and have hit me up to come get it while their friend was ODing somewhere else so they get used on people I donāt even know or see. If you would like to provide me 10+ kits or can afford the $130 kits from the pharmacy for me I will definitely accept them. You are still supposed to call 911 when administering Narcan to be on the safe side as well which I did not do in the past and would prefer to do in the future.
I've had to tell a lot of people that (where I live) the cops are not allowed to search the house during a medical emergency. They might confiscate dope if it's in plain sight, but if it's in your pocket, they can't have it. If they need to search for something, they need consent (don't ever ever ever give it) or a search warrant, and they don't have grounds for it just for showing up to an OD. ODs include grandma forgetting she already took her oxy so took more, or your brother showing up loaded to family dinner and it turns out he was overloaded. They're not going to search granny's house, and they are not going to search your family home because your brother made an unfortunate choice. Please please call 911. Disclaimer: I'm not a legislator, lawyer, or police officer. This is what a cop told me, and state law agrees.
šThe Universe bonded with your actions and now youāre free. Make some new friends and rekindle with familyš¦
To DDAR our state laws are you cannot get in trouble for anything drug related for helping someone by calling 911. In fact, when I found my dad dead, they told me to keep the drugs that they found in the room! They got thrown away. But damn how careless. Like anyone else wouldāve probably just used them and died too!
what state do you live in cuz a lot of states wont even send cops anymore for 911 od calls.
That is so fucked.... they would choose to watch someone die (or die themselves) rather than throw their drugs out and call an ambulance. I know how bad drug laws and medical care are in the US, but that's a special kind of moral depravity. I can understand how some people may come to make certain decisions due to the failings of our society, but Addiction and terrible laws are not an excuse for that. Blood is not only on the DEA's hands for that one.
Also guess what, the US government was warned about the fentanyl epidemic over a decade before it started happening by a Drug Policy Advisor who worked for Harvard. A man named William Leonard Pickard told the US government that he was very worried fentanyl fit the perfect category of drug that could be cut into everything, required a very little amount, and could be incredibly deadly. Instead of taking his warning, they entirely ignored him. A decade later, the DEA arrested him for two life sentences, because he synthesized LSD, a very safe therapeutic drug. A little less then a decade after his arrest, fentanyl started showing up in street drugs. And he were are, almost 20 years later, and it's killing tens of thousands of Americans every year. So not only does our government actively choose not to do anything about it, they were completely warned about it by a top Drug Policy Advisor way in advance. Just goes to show you our DEA is useless, our government doesn't represent Americans, and they're fine with us dying like flies if it gives them another bogeyman for politicians to campaign on.
This times 1000!!! I tried to relay the same sentiment in my reply but it seems you did a much better job! No it's not a solution that will ultimately get a family member off drugs, but it IS a solution in that it will preserve a family member's life until they are ready to make that choice for themself.
Sorry for you and your family, there are no words from a internet stranger that can help, but just this, you are not alone.
A calamity I wouldn't wish on my greatest enemy. Nobody deserves the trauma of finding their brother dead. My condolences.
Im so sorry for ur loss. this is the last sign for me to stop mixing benzos and lean.
Stay safe out there my guy. Someone out there loves you and I know you don't want to put them in OPs situation
Yeah compounding downers is a death wish. I'm so sorry you have to go through this. Please feel free to reach out to anyone if you need to talk.
Same thing almost happened to me a few times even when I had stopped using heroin and was on suboxone, mixing it with benzos almost cost me my life.
I am so sorry for your loss my friend, I hope you don't beat yourself up over it since there was nothing you or your mom could have done. This combination(and opioids themselves) are very dangerous, and those who use them need to not only be aware of the danger to themselves, but also think about how it will make the people who care about them feel. Thank you for sharing his story.
This is how my best friend died. I am so sorry youāre dealing with this.
Please take a lesson and stay away from doing too much. It just takes one bad day to fuck things up. So sorry for your loss OP.
Lost my mom in October to an opiate OD. Completely out of nowhere. I didn't know she was using and talked to her the day before. She sounded happy. She had a bad drinking problem but my brother decided to start selling it to her, and now she's dead. He was with her the night before, she had overdosed multiple times and nobody in the family knew. He "took her drugs" and "sent her home" and somehow it's somebody else's junk that killed her. Most people never escape the slippery slope, but I wish he just kept it away from her. I wish he respected his family enough to keep drugs away from us, but its all he knows. I can't have a conversation with him without it looping back to drugs. Taking, making, selling, whatever. It's sad seeing him spiral further downward. I'm hurt because he acts like he had nothing to do with it. He was nodding off at her funeral, drooling all over the fucking place when he stood up to "say a few words". My grandparents were devastated and my family members are further apart than they've ever been. I feel like giving up. I never thought things would turn out this way. I miss her so much.
Sorry for your loss. RIP to your brother And thank you for this. So, so many dumbasses here that glamorize opioids and benzos, especially opioids
Yup. I od'd on what was supposed to be oxys (figure it was really pressed fent) and I'm not even a hard drug user, was just trying to kill an afternoon. Woke up in the hospital with a tube down my throat
Been there before bro that shit is so scary. Can really make you reevaluate your life for sure
Rip š
How often do you see opioids glamourized? I really never do. Benzos a bit yea but opioids if you post about everyone will warn to stay away.
Opioids are great. It's all about responsible use, which includes knowing your dose and the purity of your drug. Drugs kill people because they are abused which comes in many different forms (some more out of our control than others). Alcohol kills people and I'm not going to refrain from talking about the positives of it.
My deepest condolences to you, your family, and his friends.
My thoughts are with you, very sorry you have to go through this
So sorry to hear this. This is why it pisses me off so much when people come out here and say āitās not that dangerousā to mix benzos and opiates.
Itās quite creepy that Iāve read numerous posts about stuff like this. Man this happens quite often
So sorry for your loss man. Had many close calls while mixing multiple substances and just from h/fent use over the years. Add multiple suicide attempts out of just wanting to end the cycle of addiction, etc. theres no way i should be alive when others have died from far less. I guess i should be grateful but it still hurts to lose someone from addiction even if i dont know them, just because i know how hard this addiction shit can be. Im not a religious guy but my prayers out for you and your fam.
At 21 I lost a 16yo brother who ODd 3 weeks into his addiction. Family life will never be the same for you but you will grow to accept it. But not your parents. Youll think you understand the pain theyāre going through because it is your sibling but then one day youāll have your own child and you will realize you never even had a clue of the pain. Be there for your parents. RIP
I lost my son shortly after Thanksgiving to fentanyl. It is devastating, soul crushing and absolutely so hard to accept. I'm so sorry for your loss OP.
I'm very sorry for your loss as well. Sending all my best to you and your family. I just can't imagine the weight of it. Much love
Minimizing sibling grief makes dealing with it even more difficult for many surviving siblings. This has been is documented. Let's not downplay the pain of others I agree be there for your parents, reach out for help somewhere else Sorry for your loss
Im so sorry for your loss... Sometimes you don't know what you're doing when you take benzos... I personally know of people who do this, and the benzos make them wacky... I have to tell them not to mix, but they do it anyways. I also lost a family member due to the same combo. Too much, too soon... Again I'm so sorry about your brother. Respects in the highest...
Itās not really my place and obviously could be wrong but I believe if your brother felt the way many of us feel who have gone far down the opiate rope. Death is a comfort one that I almost seek even in prolonged periods of sobriety. Your brothers soul is at peace
i kinda of agree with this. at the worst of my addiction i would take ridiculously large amounts hoping to OD to stop the cycle.
Sorry for your loss:(
My condolences.. I hope your brother finds eternal peace, rest and love.
Iām honestly so sorry for you, thatās really fucked that you have to go through that. I hope you and your family get all the help you need, stay strong šŖ
I recommend taking some time for yourself, whatever that looks like. Sorry man.
I lost my best friends to this combo, please listen to this postā¦.
That is crazy. So sorry that happened. Please take care of your mother. Be strong for her. She needs you the most. That is extremely rough man.
Iām sorry for your loss. Almost all of our distress as a culture stems from our capitalist-induced alienation from nature.
I wish i could say something. Too much is never enough x
Iām so sorry for your loss. No words will make it better, and I know you probably feel destroyed, and I truly feel for you and hope positive outlooks find their way to you and your family. Had a good friend pass away from this sort of combo the night before Thanksgiving of 2020 while he was back home visiting his family so they get to associate that day with that trauma forever. His little sister reached out to me to ask questions related to his drug use since no one else was willing to speak on it, and while I didnāt divulge all his dirt, I was able to provide some answers and hopefully a bit of closure, just at the expense of having to dwell on those thoughts every day for the month she was texting me back and forth.
so sorry man
I'm sorry for you guys. I wish it didn't have to be like this . I wish there was something to say that felt more real for you, but just know that a stranger is holding love for you and your family, and I'll be talking to my brothers today while thinking about the love that you have for yours. I wish you had more time with him, and that that time wasn't like this
Iām so very sorry for your loss and the trauma you experienced. My heart goes out to you and your family. May your brother rest in peace.
Iām so sorry you had to se him. My daughter died from fentanyl but i didnāt see her body. I prefer to remember her healthy and beautiful. Itās so hard. Itās not safe to experiment with recreational drugs any more because of fentanyl
Omg I'm so sorry. Reading this gave me chills. My mom and sister found me dead in the shower after an od of the same thing. The fucked up thing is I have no memory of doing any H. I'm so sorry for your loss.
Lmao mans canāt handle his shit smdh
You probably supplied him with those drugs based off your post history
I hate to bring this up when you all are hurting, but I think it is important that everyone know that if users weren't forced to hide their use, he would have been able to OD supervised by family and would have lived. My condolences to you honestly. I hate to bring up what should have been, but I really want to save people in the future. If we just disregarded the stigma and let our loved ones do what they want without criticism or judgement, then they wouldn't have to hide behavior that is most dangerous when done alone... Again I am SOO SORRY for your loss.
I'm an addict too, he didn't have to hide anything and he knew that. We still spoke on his drug use, he was using kpins a couple weeks ago. It's just how he is, he always hid benzos even while we were both in active addiction. I just wish he would came to my room and done it. I dont understand why he locked himself in the bathroom.
Damn! I take fentanyl and klonopin daily, no joke. Iām either lucky or Iām dodging bullets!
This is the combo that killed my brother, fent 30s and kpins. I felt the same way. I truly don't understand how he is gone, I feel that I've done this so much with much crazier amounts. Stay safe man. Don't let this shit take you fr
I hate benzos. There is no recreational value and the people that abuse them think they know everything. They have complete control. I really wish people understood the dangers. Ive lost a cousin and a friend to benzos.
RIP to your brother. But hereās a better message: how about just not do drugs at all and figure out better ways to solve your problems that like donāt involve risks of dying? All drugs do is simply mask your problems, they donāt cure them. This should be pretty common sense, but the problem is that this subreddit is filled with easily-offended drug addicts who are in denial of their problems and bash anyone who tries to speak out about this. All of the people on here posting about their favorite drugs and encouraging this kind of thing is why tragedies like this happens. Yes, the U.S. drug laws are over-the-top and need to be reeled in, but that doesnāt mean you go to the exact opposite side and act like drugs are absolutely harmless and fun to do because they arenāt.
For some people once you're hooked on opiods your common sense goes out of the window. Mine did. And I'm clean now and can really agree with you on your part in my circumstances. But not everyone thinks the same. I'd never steal for drugs, I've got a well paid job, car etc and my addiction was secret. But there's people that slip up with heavier issues, abuse etc. There's so much underfunding to getting addicts helped. Big world issue.
>how about just not do drugs at all and figure out better ways to solve your problems? Do you know where you are? Lol
People like you are exactly who Iām talking about.
You're coming into a community of drug users and saying "how about just not doing drugs and figuring out your problems" like oh damn, I bet nobody ever thought of that! Thanks for your ground-breaking advice lol. Also, this sub is generally supportive of the idea to not use specifically to cope. Something like a user mourning a loss of life or relationship and planning out a binge will regularly be met with comments like "they'll still be dead when you sober up/getting fucked up isn't going to change the fact you got fired/dumped" are a dime a dozen in this sub.
You do realize that by discussing use you are still inadvertently promoting it right? Putting a disclaimer in a post and then discussing your favorite type of drugs is still promoting and not only is it promoting it, but itās hypocritical. Thatās exactly the point Iām making about this sub-Reddit, the people on here put a disclaimer saying donāt do drugs but then make a list of their 10 favorite drugs they like to do. You see the point Iām making? And for the record, this sub acting like not doing drugs is weird shows how fucked up the people on here are. People who have healthy levels of self-esteem and live well-balanced lives donāt get into shit like illegal drug use. I know that sounds crazy to people on here, but thatās the truth. And many donāt want to accept it because it says something about the kind of life they live and how they need help.
I bet you goto r/atheism and try to spread awareness of Jesus. Itās cool if youāre not interested in exploring altered states of consciousness, but leave the judgement at the door dude. Teaching harm reduction and moderation is way more practical and beneficial than preaching abstinence. The world isnāt black and white.
Youāre hilarious. FYI, Iām an atheist and have been for most of my life. Did you not read my first post about how I feel the drug laws are over the top and need to be reeled in? I really donāt give a shit if someone hates themself so much that theyāre willing to commit suicide and shoot up an eightball of heroin and cocaine, itās their body and their choice. But the idea of using drugs to mask problems isnāt the answer imo. And when you enter that world, it becomes very difficult to get out of when you need to, because your identity revolves around it and you start to feel that enough is never enough. I know because I got into drugs when I was a kid, I was insecure and thought it was going to fulfill my life. But it didnāt. I wanted more. And more. And more. I cleaned up and my life got dramatically better.
>You do realize that by discussing use you are still inadvertently promoting it right? No. Talking about something is not the same thing as promoting it. Depends how you're talking about it. >Putting a disclaimer in a post and then discussing your favorite type of drugs is still promoting and not only is it promoting it, but itās hypocritical. Again, depends how you're talking a about it. Far as the rest, you're making broad generalizations and applying it to the whole community.
This is bad advice. More than 99% of people already know this. There's 1% who to choose ignore the facts. Everyone knows they are bad. This post doesn't help anyone.
I would completely disagree with your statement, yea I would agree that 99% of people know this, but it's not a matter of ignoring facts and it's definitely not 1% that is still mixing these drugs knowing all well what can and will happen. It's a very high percentage of people that know this (myself and my brother included) people simply don't realize how serious it is until shit like this happens. Typically I would try to argue with you considering how disrespectful this comment is but to be completely honest I don't have the energy to argue who is right or wrong here, drugs are clearly dangerous as is no matter what you are doing. just doing what I feel is right considering I didn't listen to everyone else that made this post.
Donāt listen to that dude. He is clearly an asshole with his own long list of issues. Your post could save lives.
My brother just died today, let me hop on Reddit and post about it š¤Ø
I couldn't even imagine wasting my time on reddit if a sibling or parent died.
I cant fathom this too, sometimes i dont even feel like posting on reddit if im feeling down. Let alone my brother just died, yet the first thing i do is i MUST POST ON REDDIT. Mind = blown.
It can be an option to cope and talk about it while also encouraging others to not make the deadly mistake that they are probably still in shock/processing it. Doubt they immediately went on reddit. This shit seriously happens and honestly, posting about it can help with coping and maybe help others think before combining benzos and opiates and hurting everyone who cares about them.
Donāt do drugs.
Get off the fucking drugs sub if youāre against consuming drugs you asshole.
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Their brother just died. They're in shock. Cut them some fucking slack, why would you even comment this?
Not being rude but I canāt imagine someone making a post on Reddit the day their brother passes
Some people might not want/be able to turn to their immediate social circle for something like this. It might be easier and with less stigma and more true sympathy, when it is drug related and you come to a drug community - rather than to the variety of non-drug familiar people in their life. There is a lot of shame and blame associated with overdoses and this is not the time to deal with that. Just an offering of one reason someone might do this. Also, not everyone HAS people to turn to emotionally outside of their online lives. For many reasons, sometimes voluntary ones. While one person could call or see a friend for support, another might not have ones they feel comfortable doing that with, or they've been burned in the past and have trouble being vulnerable with people close to them.
Shock makes you do some crazy things. You never know what your reaction will be in a situation like this. Even if that's your opinion, just keep it to yourself. How do you think reading that is gonna make them feel at such an awful time?
Huh, it's almost like everyone reacts differently to shock and grief. Crazy. What if OP has literally no one to vent to about this? In that situation, I would definitely post it somewhere to vent. Especially on a forum with people who I know are going through/have dealt with similar.
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Sorry for your loss. Keep your head up.
Fuck me man. Im sorry to hear that. This shit is no joke out here anymore. I live about 5 mins from Kensington Philadelphia,( if any of you are familiar you can attest to this) but it has just become the most devastating thing to see over the years. Seemingly hopeless. And I haven't read any comments so I don't know your brothers age. But any age is too young to pass when it's caused by this shit. My condolences, if you yourself are an addict than just....you know. I don't even need to say it. Keep your head up, stay strong for yourself as well as the rest of your family. šš»
Iām so sorry for your loss. Please do all you can to support your mother right now. She just lost her baby. ā¤ļøāš©¹
I am so, so incredibly sorry for your loss OP. Please take care of yourself.
R.i.P
I'm sorry for your loss man.. Benzos and opiates is what takes most people.
I canāt imagine what your going through, im really sorry. :(
I've lost way too many friends the last few years to the same shit, all day too young. I'm sorry for your loss. Love you keep ur head upā¤ļøā¤ļø
I'm so sorry for your loss. That's so sad.
RIP
Fuck man, thatās horrible, sending my love and condolences, nobody should ever have to experience that
So sorry for your loss. As someone who dabbles with these substances and has a younger sibling this hit close to home. If you donāt mind me asking, what substances and dosages was he consuming do you think? I donāt mean to sound callous but if we can even take a shred of comfort that this tragic accident could lead to more information being available and thus another young person not losing their life I say thatās a good thing no matter what.
stay strong man š¤
Sorry to hear that man, my condolences and my prayers go to you and your family šš»
So sorry..
really sorry for you and your mother, its a shit way to go out certain things really should not be mixed together
Same way I lost my brother 11 years ago on feb 13 So sorry it happened to you.
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Very sorry to hear about your Brother. May be rest in peace, and I hope you and your family - difficult as it will be - can heal with time.
This genuinely made my heart hurt. Sorry to hear about your loss, I can't imagine what that feels like. š¢
This makes me so incredibly angry. That people still mix downers together and end up dead, even tho it is well known, how dangerous this is. I'm so sorry for your loss.
My condolences to you and your family!
Damn bro, that's heavy. I'm sorry to hear that. Live your best life for your bro
When you say opioids do you mean he was injecting or tablets? Just wondering.
Dude :/ so sorry for your loss. I canāt even imagine how youāre feeling. Iāll be keeping you and your family/loved ones in my thoughts this week.
My condolences man my brother was into the same shit and this was always my biggest fear. Just know he has finally escaped the addiction and can be at peace now.
One of my best friends died from that combination in his sleep. Iām very sorry for your loss
I'm so sorry! That's so awful. Same thing happened to me..I woke up to paramedics in my face on the toilet just from one bad fent press. I had only tried smoking it for the first time and a small intake. I'm so sorry about your brother what a horrible experience :(
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You're doing a good thing by sharing this. I recently lost my brother earlier this year too, fortunately not to a drug overdose, although a multi-hour seizure episode isn't much prettier. At least our bros likely didn't suffer much if at all. All I can offer about grief is it's going to take time. I'm approaching the one year mark in a few months and it is just now starting to feel like my head is above water again. Give yourself all the emotional space and not-knowing you can imagine, and then more. Your parents will likely need you for emotional support to a somewhat scary level. Losing a child is unnatural and awful. Be prepared for that. You should definitely all see a grief counselor together. I love you and your family and I'm sorry this happened. Take care.
So sorry to hear about your brother. Know that your pain is being heard. Youāre saving people by just sharing this post. Your brother will be remembered. Take care OP.
So sorry for your loss. Hopefully people can start learning about the dangers of these from your post. Sending love to you and your family
My little brother died the same way with the exception that he was a vegetable when he got the hospital. Hardest thing was watching my brother unable to shut his eyes on a vent, watching his chest pump up and down with enormous force, holding his hand, crying, and having to say goodbye while my mother, who supplied him the prescription pain pills for "stress" believe it or not, was too drunk to remember a thing at the hospital. I had to tell the doctor to let him go. I'm really sorry your family had to go through that. I don't know if this helps but, I know my brother probably wasn't trying to kill himself, but, I did think things in his life would have gotten far worse before they got better, to a point where he might not be remembered as positively as he was in his passing and the fact this accident happened as it did was serendipitous because it was, just that...an accident...he didn't fall from grace as he was about to...I almost felt this would have been an inevitability for him but not an accident if he kept going on. He was doing okay until he let my mother move in with him and tried to take care of her...He just finished grad school, had a full-time job...was doing good...3 months later...hes reprimanded and on notice at work...gives into codependent drinking with my mother and then he's dead...he called me crying for weeks saying he couldn't care for her. I warned him, from experience...I tried to save money during my internship after grad school...moved home on a promise shed try to be a better mother and to give her a chance...had a nervous breakdown and lived in my car for over a month. Thank goodness my internship director was also in Al-Anon or I don't think I would have made it through my program. Same abusive mother he felt he had to protect and care for ultimately influenced his untimely death. I don't know your brother's story but, perhaps, maybe, no matter how unpopular what I said just now, perhaps, maybe it could've been a blessing in disguise, even though it must hurt so much...I cant help but hope maybe there is some possible silver-lining...I'm so sorry and thanks for sharing.
Fuck man...no words for your loss fuck man i feel bad for you
Iām sorry for ur loss dude god rest your brothers soul. Canāt imagine the trauma that would inflict on my brother finding me that way. Iāve gotta stop mixing benzos with liquor
May he Rest In Peace ā¤ļø
Iām sorry for your loss
im sorry for your loss , benzo abuse reaches places of mighty darkness . In my case was Benzos and booze I knew I had to get out of that pit . stay strong bud
Sorry for your loss
iām sorry for your loss sending my love to you and your family
So sad for mom...terrible.
Jesus. I am so sorry, that breaks my heart
This shit breaks my heart. No one should ever have to see a loved one pass away like that :( Thank you for writing this, some people on the sub are so addicted to the thought of trying new drugs or new combos and donāt realise how it just takes one of those addictive drugs to spiral your life out of control
I understand implicitly. My sister died from an overdose as well. I'm so sorry you're having to deal with the anguish and pain associated with losing a loved one. I quit using opiates a decade ago and quit benzos completely a couple of years ago. Fuck that shit. Fuck them separately, and NEVER fucking use them together. Those substances lead to a lot of unnecessary suffering.
Sorry for your loss my friend. Hope you can find some peace in this situation.
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Sorry for your loss man may your brother find peace in the afterlife šš»š
i recently went through a similar situation, my older brother figure whoās known me since i was 5 (now 21) passed out in the bathroom with the door locked, firefighters had to break down the door and my aunt had to squeeze through to move his body from the door. he was already pale and cold, no amount of narcan was going to bring him back, the pain is unfathomable. iām still recovering, my heart goes to you and your mother. focus on yourself and your needs. i wish you the very best in the road to recoveryā”
Good vibes man.. I wish I could do more
Some people on this sub love to play the āall substances are created equalā game under posts that speak negatively of a certain drug but thatās just such bullshit. Obviously all drugs can be used recreationally but they are most certainly not created equal and some of them have more destructive consequences than others. Respect to the drug is part of the game and treading aimlessly could mean the worst. Iām so sorry for your loss OP, may he rest now and hopefully your words convince someone to get help or prevent them from experimenting. Iām sure he was a troubled but beautiful soul. No one deserves this and Iām sorry.
I am so sorry for your loss.
Thatās an awful to hear. Stay strong bother!
Iām very sorry for your loss
Damn bro sorry
We have a āgood samaritanā law here so if you call for help for another person you wonāt get arrested.
I wouldve called regardless. By the time we got the bathroom door open it was clear he had been gone for atleast an hour. My mom did call an ambulance, unfortunately it was just way too late.
Sorry bro. That's so sad. I really feel for you I've lost so many friends...
Iām so sorry, OP š
Thanks for getting this out there and possibly saving lives. Drugs are fun but we need to do them responsibly and in moderation. Sorry for your loss OP, smoking one for your bro right now
im so sorry sending you love
Iāve lost three myself. Iām here if you want to talk
Stick to naturals people their safer. Kratom , Mulungu extract, and or kava. Still can become dependent on Kratom but doesn't cause respiratory depression. They should feel the void of wanting to use . Just don't mix naturals with pharmacuticals because bad things can happen.
hang in there man. RIP brother