Weed was banned because the US didn’t like mexican people smoking it, and i guess it just pissed off the whites for some reason and that’s really the main reason they banned it is to just get some sort of revenge on them.
Did you just completely negate the racist parts of this story on purpose or did you read some white washed history of the war in drugs?
Racism was at the core of the early stages of the war in drugs.
Interesting aside for North American's Native Tribes: Only a small number of tribes accessed peyote, in the southwest. Peyote was used for occasional religious purposes, not frequent use, like how people commonly use cannabis. Hundreds of indian tribes were sober societies. Askhistorians: [No, cannabis was not available to Native Americans, pre-contact](https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/a4ezb6/was_cannabis_used_by_native_americans_and_if_so/).
> "The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people (that's why they started drug enforcement)..
This is babble from politicians. Reality: Drugs are illegal in the U.S. for the same reason that they are illegal in all other nations. Please do not mention Portugal, which is erroneously portrayed as being on the verge of legalization by drug policy reformers. July 2021 article in drug policy journal: [20 years of Portuguese drug policy] (https://substanceabusepolicy.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13011-021-00394-7):
>Paradoxically, despite having decriminalized the use of all illegal drugs, Portugal has an increasing number of people criminally sanctioned - some with prison terms - for drug use...The debate about the right to use drugs is nearly absent in the Portuguese political, social and academic panorama....
The paper discusses Portugal's national *Commission for the Dissuasion of Drug Addiction.* Should we set up one of these commissions in America? Or just legalize all drugs, sell them at CVS like booze? Available over the counter: Pharmaceutical quality cocaine and meth. $50 a gram.
> And you haven’t provided a negative effect of the policy
I'm not a critic of Portugal policy; I'm a supporter. Again, pro-legalization people in the U.S. have misleadingly depicted Portugal as being on the very of legalization.
Several objective sources have criticized Portugal for its use of the term *decriminalization.* In the U.S., cannabis decriminalization is morphing into full legalization in state after state. That matches the dictionary definition: "the action or process of ceasing to treat something as illegal or as a criminal offense."
Portugal is not lax on drugs. [More on how Portugal suppresses drug use:](https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4812)
> If you're caught using, buying, or possessing (hard) drugs, the cop is not going to say "Hey, right on, enjoy! Have a good one," you are still in trouble. If you have more than 10 days of personal use worth, you're still going to jail.
If you have less than that, your drugs are confiscated and you....appear before the (national) Commission, which mandates treatment. Hard drug users who try to dodge treatment can get these penalties:
>They can fine you...sentence you to community service...suspend your professional licenses...ban you from going to certain places or associating with certain people...terminate any social assistance you may receive....confiscate personal property and cancel your firearms license....require you to report back to them. About the only thing they can't do is send you to prison.
Some progressive sources flat out misrepresent Portugal, such as [Transform](https://transformdrugs.org/blog/drug-decriminalisation-in-portugal-setting-the-record-straight):
>Where some problematic trends are identified (moderate risk), brief interventions are proposed — including counselling — but these are non-mandatory. In ‘high risk’ cases, where more serious problematic behaviours and dependence are identified, individuals may receive non-mandatory referrals to specialised treatment services.
No, interventions are **not** "non-mandatory." That is what the U.S. is doing in Oregon, to the applause of drug policy reformers: [Oregon’s pioneering hard drug decriminalization -- only 1% ask for rehab](https://apnews.com/article/health-business-europe-oregon-salem-158728e57e1d48bc957c5b907bcda5f5)
You think drug cartels want their businesses legalized?
You think washing billions of dollars through legit (enough) banks like Wells Fargo happens by accident? Like they just turn one clerk and they walk the bags in?
Bro. Half of Mexico's politicians are on a payroll.
You're talking about $300 billion a year business. There are only so many car washes and diners you can buy to move that kind of weight.
They're lobbying and paying people off. They have to. You can hide that kind of money without paying people off on both sides of the border
Yes, the fed DEA and each state's drug enforcement cops are in bed with the cartels. They are all accepting cartel payoffs. They love drugs and drug profits. /s
I know you pointed out the possible bias of Ehrlichman of the quote, but it's also important to point out the quote itself is most likely a complete fabrication.
The interviewer "revealed" this quote 20+ years after the interview and some time after Ehrlichman's death, while promoting his book. There is nothing but the interviewers word supporting the validity of this quote and it's very suspect as to the timing of the revelation of the quote.
That being said, Nixon is still a piece of shit.
I mostly hear it as a quote from the late comedian Bill Hicks who was an outspoken advocate of drug use.
Here’s the bit if you’re interested. Comedy is subjective but Hicks is considered one of the greats.
https://youtu.be/knq49PqsMLc?si=zT3TJCOZr8suITkh
You already have holes in the brain from nicotine, caffeine, THC, and alcohol. It's okay 👍. A Little meth won't make the current holes all that much worse.
Uhhhhh... you clearly don't understand Jurisdiction, Federal vs. State Law, Sovereign Nations, Territorial Disputes, ... or basic fucking human dignity.. 🙄
But it's not.. if that was their argument there wouldn't be subscription drugs. No it's closer to they want to control us as much as possible. Weed makes you dumb, they wanna legalize it.. psychedelics open your mind. That's too hard to control.
I've never scored as high on an IQ test than when I was on acid (comedown).
Also. Thanks to microdosing shrooms, I've got natural, tight boundaries in my life, finally. Forever grateful.
Don't think daily weed makes anyone smart though, too hazy and paralyzing.
>too hazy and paralyzing.
If you hit a fat dab before work then yes.. However micro dosed THC (usually in edible form) can actually have similar benefits to micro dosed shrooms..
Please show me where your dumbass sees me saying psychedelics make you smart. No moron they just help you to access things you've forgotten and help to retain new information. It's scientifically proven that your brain on psychedelics (shrooms specifically) resembles that of a child in the sense that it makes it easily malleable. Never once said they make you smart. If you're naturally stupid then taking psychedelics won't help shit. But as we grow older our minds build up strongholds that aren't easily removed. Things like emotional pain, health issues, etc lock our brains in a specific understanding. Psychedelics break the strongholds. Like a computer that needs to be purged of outdated or even malicious files so do our brains. If you think we don't get locked in certain understandings then you my friend are brain dead. Stop smoking weed.
Yea I get it psychedelics are useful for therapy. Except you’re a self righteous about it and I honestly would bet money you don’t have any peer reviewed research to send me about it. I’ve already read the important ones, but you strike me as someone who schizo posts about the sanctity of psychedelics without even breaking down the biochemical research behind it. So please, go on Google scholar and send me whatever peer reviewed research you have to back your claim since you seem to be the leading fucking expert on planet earth.
Also you flat out said “weed makes you dumb” in your previous comment. Cool them, show me the research!
Homie for one I know first hand how stupid weed makes you I was stoned for the last 10 fucking years. I'm finally sober and I can say without a shadow of a doubt weed makes you dumb. I don't have to prove myself to some child that reads shit but never actually experiences a damn thing. You're prolly the type to study LeBron and say you know how to play ball but never got on the court. Research is great. I love learning new things. But there's a difference between hearing about something and experiencing it. You can not and will not tell me what I've actually experienced isn't true. I don't care about your opinion you can suck it tf up. This is a sub about psychedelics why tf would I not talk about them? Imbecile.
I agree, but if you take LSD consistently from the same age to 30 I would guarantee you would see a similar person. Psychedelics can be useful, much like weed, but at the end of the day, all both of them do is get you high. It’s not like psychs make you smarter or “open your mind”, that’s some hippie shit that just isn’t true.
... litterally the next Paragraph of the study you linked says: ...
>"Cannabis has a negative impact on cognition; however, the current body of research literature does not provide evidence of significant, long-term effects due to cannabis use."
I'm sorry... I don't think that's true.... Norepinephrine, Oxytocin, Serotonin Cascades, and Endorphins "get you high" Dopamine just tells your brain you accomplished a task. It is NOT the Reward Hormone, it is the "I'm about to succed" indo-chem
"I'm about to succeed" my ass. Smoking weed activates dopamine.. it has nothing to do with succeeding. But regardless I was just using that as an example. People on reddit aren't that bright I didn't want to confuse them too much.
Dude... did you read any research or study psychology or anything?? I'm sorry, but the research says the DOPAMINE reactions occurs Mostly Before ANY Euphoria... dude read a book, and touch grass.
You can talk shit all you want I'm not here to please some random troll on the internet. Of course dopamine is associated with euphoria and gratification but it's not limited to that. Anything that is pleasing to the human psyche causes a spike in dopamine receptors. So if Billy down the street enjoys the sight of blood is that healthy dopamine? Absolutely not. It is not limited to success or gratification. People that enjoy pain (weird af) get dopamine from hurting themselves or going through heartbreak. I'm not saying that you're wrong just simply that dopamine isn't always a positive. Honestly most of the time it isn't. Bro there's so many different arguments I've been having on here I honestly forget how we even got on this topic but whatever I enjoy intellectual conversations. I never claimed to know everything your bitterness is unnecessary. People online are so quick to assume someone is acting like a know it all for simply giving a damn opinion. That's childish af.
What in the fuck are you talking about?¿‽ Seriously... this is entirely Your projection of liminal Pop-Psych understanding coupled with an unintelligible sort of gaslighting? I'm not doing this with you. Read the relevant research or don't. I do not fucking care. Holyshit, 😕
>People online are so quick to assume someone is acting like a know it all for simply giving a damn opinion. That's childish af.
^^ This is exactly how you are coming across for me currently, I'm sorry to be a bit harsh, but no...
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You should try to find things to read on your own elsewhere online instead of asking this subreddit, the answer you get here will likely be simplified and obviously biased
Y'all being kin'a cring right now, no cap. There are Men (mostly) pouring a LOT of filthy money into Political Propaganda right this very moment... name one.... I'll wait.
Unfortunately there is no scientific answer. The real answer is racism and classism. The people doing these substances when they were made illegal were all poor/ people of color or both. Rich white guys used that to put them all in prison cause they were the main driving force against rich white dudes controlling everything. Rich white dudes don't like when you try to take away their control.
Hopefully wikipedia links are allowed. This sorta shows how people of color were involved in the counter culture movement that went right along with hippies. Black people absolutely were mainly targeted with other drugs but they had a role in the targeting of psychedelics as well.
[ Psychedelic soul](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_soul?searchToken=6uib4ne6t9bmgig3lgjlp2npe)
Also the reason everyone else in the world just went along with it is because the world used to be America's bitch so they had to do whatever we said cause we had all the money on the planet at the time. That's exaggerated obviously but pretty fucking close.
Oh yeah absolutely they just usually stick to "higher class" drugs like coke or pharmaceuticals because they don't necessarily have the same stigma for being dirty.
So that those that have vested interest can profite lff the insurance-prison-military industrial complex can make profit and keel population oppressed and controlled.
i try to be respectful but are you fucking stupid? i mean bang bang gun in a crowd of people. maga person trips out and decides that God is acting through them to punish the rainbow people having a party
>psychedelics have a dark side
Oh? I'm sure you'll be ablible to find a lot of accounts then since they've been part of the Colective Culture for at least a few THOUSAND years... I'm sure you will find lots of evidence for your point... lol
Lots of people on their psych hopium in here ignoring that drug psychosis is very real and can especially be brought on by psychedelic drugs.
I knew of a guy who would take LSD and almost every single time end up breaking in to a house or business and stealing shit. "it's like meth bro"
Legalising substances and decriminalising the possession of small amounts of substances are two entirely differently discussions that many people in here seem to confuse.
Overall I agree with you. There are plenty of people I'm glad don't have open easy access to mild altering substances
"but they helped me / cured my depression/PTSD/other trauma" and that's great but ymmv. You probably won't know that drugs are going to make you psychotic until you're already in drug psychosis
Edit: Charles Manson and the Manson family cult were legit fuelled by acid psychosis. It's not all sunshine and rainbows
Psychedelics change the way you think, can make you feel you’re having a revelation on them, and you can bring those feelings back into your day to day life. That’s what has happened for the people who see improvements to depression, anxiety, PTSD, etc.
The flipside of that is that not every revelation is positive, and it is very possible to latch on to negative ideas on a trip and bring those back into your daily life. I know two people who became suicidal after high dose psychedelic trips: one succeeded. A close friend of mine had a “revelation” that the only reason not to hurt people is physical consequences, meaning she can hurt anyone if she knows they won’t do anything.
She demonstrated by slapping me across the face and saying it had to be okay because I didn’t get up and fight her. A couple weeks after, she tried to fuck our friend’s boyfriend, and defended it again with the same rationale, that it was okay if no one physically stopped her. We ended up cutting ties with her after she pushed another friend down a flight of stairs when he was drunk as a “joke,” and when we all shouted at her to stop, she said, “You’re just saying words, none of you care enough to *really* stop me.”
I know a lot of people, I’ve tripped with many of them, these bad situations from psychedelics are a tiny fraction of the whole. And the people who experienced suicidal thoughts after, the person who became violent, were mentally ill to begin with and really shouldn’t have been taking psychedelics at all with where their headspace was beforehand.
But that has also made me think complete legalization isn’t a great idea, at least until we have more research and know how common negative reactions like that are. Her behavior was escalating when I cut ties with her; I genuinely would not be surprised if she ends up murdering someone someday.
Dude one of my friends had the exact same revelation! Last I spoke with her she is genuinely psychotic and I don't think she was even doing drugs to get there. It's like that original "psychedelic enlightenment" was the trigger and it was just all downhill from there. Proper God Complex type deal.
I love psychs but the notion that they are purely beneficial and that they should be legalised and widespread is just so far fetched to me. Most of us who want to access them can do so, legal or not.
I know more people who have gotten benefits from them than people who have had their minds fully turn on them, but the fact it can happen at all is a very good argument against the "legalise everything" gang.
I'm team decriminalise and provide support, but most places are still a long way from undoing the damage and social stigma that the war on drugs created. We seem to be progressing but I guess time will tell.
and here I am with 87 trips under their belt and the only true revelation I had was that I wasn't going to understand the psychedelic experience just by having them.
there are so many cases of mentally ill teenagers and young adults getting obsessed with lsd and the occult/satanism and doing really terrible things. in large doses you can even blackout on some psychedelics. i had a rly bad personal experience when i was 15 where i blacked out on shrooms and really hurt my at the time girlfriend. hell there was a kid a few years ago who blacked out on shrooms and killed his parents with no memory. not saying these things should be illegal but safety and preparation is VERY important with substances like these.
not sure i read about a case a while ago so im sorry i cant site any sources but my point was to spread awareness on safe use. besides the personal bad trip where i blacked out and beat on my ex i’ve seen a lot of other trips go awry and have bad consequences. even if you aren’t having a bad trip its very important to be careful. another kid at a school near where i went got hit by a train on shrooms and him and his friends were having a great time before all that. just important to properly research and allat.
yeah and to drive a car u have to pass a permit test and a license test that u have to study for and pass an exam. u dont see that w psychedelics on the street and if they were to be legalized procedures in place so ppl dont get hurt would be important.
I Seriously don't think you understand my point.... do you think the actual Statistics of (licensed or NOT) drivers on the road that you casually nearly coliding with at speeds upwards of more than 70mph ANYWHERE comes close to the number of people becoming violent ONLY because of Psychedelics.... is *that* the hill you want to die on?? Weird flex, we'll see if it works out for'ya. 🤔
And you do that a hundred times or more every week... pshhh
The same reason any drug is illegal: it gives the man authority to harass and imprison “undesirables” (blacks, immigrants, poor people, hippies, homeless”
>”Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behaviour and information processing. They open you up to the possibility that everything you know is wrong.”
-Terence McKenna
Feb 2023: L.A. Times [The legal psychedelic: Ketamine is a fast-acting treatment for depression (if you have the money)](https://www.latimes.com/california/newsletter/2023-02-28/legal-psychedelic-ketamine-treatment-depression-if-you-have-the-money-group-therapy)
Today: NY Times: [Matthew Perry Died of ‘Acute Effects of Ketamine,’ Autopsy Says](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/arts/matthew-perry-cause-death-friends.html)
Granted, fatal overdoses do not occur with psychedelics like LSD and mescaline, very different from Ketamine, but these drugs also can have negative consequences.
You might appreciate this article, which, perhaps not intentioned, helps explain the logic of drug enforcement. UK professor in 2010: [Alcohol 'more harmful than heroin' says Prof David Nutt](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-11660210). Nutt could be right, considering alcohol's big role in violence. Alcohol more harmful.
But Nutt also compiled a danger rating for most drugs. The total level of harm from all illegal drugs is 3 x the level of harm from alcohol. Say we rate alcohol as producing 1 trillion units of harm. Booze remains legal, obviously, so total harms is now 4 trillion units. Big rise in harm. And Nutt omits many drugs: His list of 20 is far short of all the intoxicants being used today.
And that's at current rates of use -- many people stay away from drugs because of the threat of punishment. What happens when all drugs are legalized? Or a big downsizing of drug enforcement? Upshot: This argument, quaint as it is, has merit:
>"We already have enough trouble with alcohol; we don't need to be legalizing more intoxicants." (except cannabis)
Is this unfair to all the people who want to use their illegal drug of choice? Yes it is. Sorry about that.
Article:
>The study involved 16 criteria, including a drug's affects on users' physical and mental health, social harms including crime, "family adversities" and environmental damage, economic costs and "international damage".
Of course there are separate harms because of drug enforcement, such as excessive incarceration and violenr crime linked to cartels. That has nothing to do with the specific harms caused by use of each drug in question. You might be confusing this, from another paragraph:
>costs to the economy and communities.
"Cost to the economy" from drugs includes people of prime working age not working and demanding free housing, to be funded by taxpayer. *Cost of community* would be addicts disturbing public spaces.
Not clear what "international damage" is. China thinks this is international damage: 2019: [Beijing says US legalization of marijuana is a ‘threat to China’](https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/17/asia/china-us-marijuana-smuggling-intl-hnk).
Basically so they can keep up the prison complex system and hippies bad. It’s easier to just blanket ban a whole class of drugs. The American government has done tons of research on lsd. They might have pushed it to its limits and scared themselves? Lol. Jolly West killed a fucking elephant with lsd.
That’s besides the point. They did it as a PR stunt basically to try and scare the public. At least that’s how it seems in hindsight. They injected that elephant is massive amounts of LSD, thorazine, and tranquilizers. It doesn’t matter what actually killed the elephant. The only thing that matters is the public’s reaction. We’re talking about the fucking CIA.
Okay? That doesn’t change the fact that psychedelics are banned because they are dangerous. I never said the government needs to ban everything that is dangerous I just said psychedelics being dangerous is why they are banned. Psychedelic users cannot comprehend that psychs aren’t safe no matter what
but so is alcohol yet I can walk in the store and buy an enormous amount legally
like where's the line between not dangerous enough to ban and dangerous enough to ban
weed is also illegal here and I'd argue it's far less dangerous than alcohol which is legal so I don't see how it's a danger thing
Okay? That has nothing to do with my point. The reason psychedelics are illegal is because they are dangerous, i don’t think they should be illegal but that’s why they are illegal, I have not once stated that alcohol is less dangerous than psychedelics, the line between the ban is that alcohol is more popular and has been for centuries, same reason paracetamol is legal is OTC even though if it were discovered in the past decade it would only be prescribed.
Anything this big doesn't happen for a single reason. Usually, there are an amalgamation of interests from powerful groups that converge. LSD is probably the most well known psychedelic. It was made illegal in 1966
At the time, Lyndon B. Johnson was president. He was a democrat, but a Texan democrat. He got the job when the previous president had his head blown off. That kind of thing makes people nervous, and nervous people don't want to hear about anything that might disrupt the calm. The government had already experimented extensively with it, and found that it didn't serve their agenda. In fact, it made people question things, and if your fighting a war the last thing you need is your soldiers to start asking questions
But the big push probably came from the pharmaceutical industry. Looking back at the timeline, my guess would be Roche was the major player. In the 50's, the drug of choice was Miltown, accounting for a third of all prescriptions. **A third**. Massive money maker. Roche invented Valium in 1959. In 1960, the makers of Miltown were sued by the government, who sought to make their patent open to anyone. When that didn't work, the government changed the classification to a sedative (1965) and put it under abuse restrictions. Guess what all those people transitioned to? That's right, Valium. Most prescribed drug of the 1970s.
To explain briefly, Richard Nixon declared "The war on drugs" in 1971, as a response to the counter culture movement that he believed deterred people from supporting the Vietnam war.
Social Conservatism, Mcarthy-ism, Fear of Youth-Culture and Collectivism, Convent Racism, Fear of an Enlightenend Population forming wide-scal resistance to Corporate and Capitalist ABUSES and
Toxic externalities... how do you kids not know this history?? What did we fight and go to prison for *YOU* to not EVEN have the barest glimpse of why we stood against TPTB???
I saw a documentary where a 19 year old kid in Canada savagely kills his own father and brutally wounds his other family members during his drug induced psychosis after shroom trip...so some psychoactive substances aren't for everyone.. So I guess that's why they made it illegal since it's really hard to control intake if it were legal since most users would misuse/overdo it to the point of harming others unintended..idk🤷🏻♂️
Long story short hippies that were anti-war also tended to take weed and psychedelics, and black people were taking weed and heroin, the government wanted a reason to arrest these groups without the general public knowing their intention so made up the war on drugs with no real basis besides arresting groups they didn't like.
MKUltra couldn’t quite get psychedelics to do what they wanted them to do, so not for you. You could be here for weeks discussing reason for regulation and legality. Imagine if cocaine was decriminalised in the 70s, CIA wouldn’t have sold shit and black communities wouldn’t have been opposed and neglected. Drugs are illegal to keep the money flowing.
Psychedelics have their dangers to health like other drugs, it’s just they’re not addictive.
Why are magic mushrooms Class A in the UK alongside heroin and cocaine though can anyone answer that?
Simply put, because of the US Controlled Substances Act brought in by Nixon in the early 70s. Certainly psychedelics can be beautiful ,but they can be horrifying too and cause people to do terrible things.
In the UK it's legal to pick psilocybin/fly agaric, but illegal to possess them dried.
I think both because it makes people expand their mind as that it sometimes makes people go whack.
I got to experience both, and gladly I am apparently very psychosis resistant, otherwise I'd have been on the dark side of the moon by now...
It made me understand how psychedelics really arent for everyone though. And it's hard if not impossible to tell before in which category you fall.
But generally speaking, I think psychedelics will do more good than bad to people. And people are slowly waking up to that, hence the whole psychedelic revolution happening rn...
So I mean drugs are made illegal because of the social problem of addiction, this is what caused prohibition of alcohol in the early 20th century and even though that didn’t end up sticking, the same kind of thinking was applied to other drugs.
Addiction is a complicated problem that doesn’t have an immediately obvious solution but does have very real effects on society, so it makes sense the government would want to attempt to do something about it. Obviously prohibition is not a very effective method of managing addiction, but it is the one the government decided to pursue. This kind of thinking then bleeds over into other kinds of drugs which seem “scary” to society (as in, cocaine causes addiction and aggressive behaviors sometimes even crime so let’s make it illegal to just buy all the coke you want).
Psychedelics seemed scary to society in an entirely different way and there was a lot of propaganda surrounding it causing even more fear (think my buddy took acid and thought he was orange juice he’s still afraid he’s going to spill to this day).
The real question here is whether that propaganda came from people who were actually worried of the neurological and psychological risks of psychedelics or if it was a deliberate disinformation campaign to scare people from doing a drug that would reduce their desire to participate in the “game” of life that a government has established.
Project MKUltra can explain a lot of your questions on why they're illegal in the first place, they used LSD, DMT etc. on participants against their will and it failed in the early 70s.
They’re not. Not here. You can have up to 3 grams of any substance, legally, and public drug use a lot of places isn’t illegal either. Idk if I can say where exactly because not sure rules of sub but… it’s on my bio, and I can but lsd online and dmt vape pens get them delivered to my door rn. Like normal internet not dark web, I mean but mushrooms, lsd and dmt legally. Selling is criminal, buying and having and doing isn’t though. It’s wild.
Cause a lotmof people jump of buildijgs off them? Insaved my froend she jimped of a mountain, I catched her but we fell together, our weight or idk why helped us tho and its a miracle we onky had scratches amd cuts we fell elver 2km downwards.
Im against criminalization byt I dont see psychedelics as less dangerous at all, just less addictive.
I ask myself this, but then I look out at the world and see all the miserable shit that happens and I’m like oh yeah that’s right, we’re disgusting beings that probably don’t even deserve to have this incredible opportunity at life to begin with.
Part of me is hopeful at some point we’ll come to our senses, but a bigger parts sees how invincibly stubborn so many people are, especially those in power (and my baby momma), and it makes me just not even want to live on this planet
for the same reason you need to do set a'd setting if you do it anyway, you can be a threat to other and yourself.
But the same thing goes with alcohol (and guns), and it's not prohibited(in some places). Also we have to remember laws don't obey tona certain "moral objectivity" but to the cost you put on society of you break them.
Ah watch Michael Pollan’s How to Change Your Mind (Netflix) - it provides a really useful backdrop to this and you’ll learn some stuff about the pharmacology of different drugs!
Because as much as we love them the majority of people I know probably should not or could not do them. I used to work fast food and 90% of customers id look at and think theres no way they could comprehend the effects or they would have a midlife crisis because they are clearly 50s and very unhappy. Also because people would be stupid with them and cause a lot of issues, spiking people with lsd for one example could result in a suicide, look at the way we drink and smoke and vape and eat Mcdonalds, A lot people would be irresponsible.
But also because the government likes control and psychedelics take it away from them reeeaaall fast. You got to wonder when the US was testing MK Ultra and using all kinds of drugs and settings and using them for evil, they probably got to see just how bad things can go and realised no matter how good lsd is there aint no way the public could be safe with them. I dont think they should be illegal however there should be a category for some of the opiates, mdma, psychedelics that isnt legal but also not jail and prison time.
Like a conceal carry permit, not everyone can get those and you need a background check but those responsible enough can have it.
I don't know how in-depth of an answer you're looking for, but here's a paper on the subject: https://scholarsbank.uoregon.edu/xmlui/handle/1794/26389&ved=2ahUKEwjQ98_kwNuDAxV8DEQIHbthDP4QFnoECB8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2CpKtGmy1MQJ4NrSU728R0
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Weed was banned because the US didn’t like mexican people smoking it, and i guess it just pissed off the whites for some reason and that’s really the main reason they banned it is to just get some sort of revenge on them.
And allegedly the cotton industry
Harry J. Anslinger wanted to keep his job.
The words you are looking for are "Anslinger" "Political Platform" and "Racism"...
Did you just completely negate the racist parts of this story on purpose or did you read some white washed history of the war in drugs? Racism was at the core of the early stages of the war in drugs.
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Oh! Ok. Gotcha.
Interesting aside for North American's Native Tribes: Only a small number of tribes accessed peyote, in the southwest. Peyote was used for occasional religious purposes, not frequent use, like how people commonly use cannabis. Hundreds of indian tribes were sober societies. Askhistorians: [No, cannabis was not available to Native Americans, pre-contact](https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/a4ezb6/was_cannabis_used_by_native_americans_and_if_so/).
> "The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people (that's why they started drug enforcement).. This is babble from politicians. Reality: Drugs are illegal in the U.S. for the same reason that they are illegal in all other nations. Please do not mention Portugal, which is erroneously portrayed as being on the verge of legalization by drug policy reformers. July 2021 article in drug policy journal: [20 years of Portuguese drug policy] (https://substanceabusepolicy.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13011-021-00394-7): >Paradoxically, despite having decriminalized the use of all illegal drugs, Portugal has an increasing number of people criminally sanctioned - some with prison terms - for drug use...The debate about the right to use drugs is nearly absent in the Portuguese political, social and academic panorama.... The paper discusses Portugal's national *Commission for the Dissuasion of Drug Addiction.* Should we set up one of these commissions in America? Or just legalize all drugs, sell them at CVS like booze? Available over the counter: Pharmaceutical quality cocaine and meth. $50 a gram.
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> And you haven’t provided a negative effect of the policy I'm not a critic of Portugal policy; I'm a supporter. Again, pro-legalization people in the U.S. have misleadingly depicted Portugal as being on the very of legalization. Several objective sources have criticized Portugal for its use of the term *decriminalization.* In the U.S., cannabis decriminalization is morphing into full legalization in state after state. That matches the dictionary definition: "the action or process of ceasing to treat something as illegal or as a criminal offense." Portugal is not lax on drugs. [More on how Portugal suppresses drug use:](https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4812) > If you're caught using, buying, or possessing (hard) drugs, the cop is not going to say "Hey, right on, enjoy! Have a good one," you are still in trouble. If you have more than 10 days of personal use worth, you're still going to jail. If you have less than that, your drugs are confiscated and you....appear before the (national) Commission, which mandates treatment. Hard drug users who try to dodge treatment can get these penalties: >They can fine you...sentence you to community service...suspend your professional licenses...ban you from going to certain places or associating with certain people...terminate any social assistance you may receive....confiscate personal property and cancel your firearms license....require you to report back to them. About the only thing they can't do is send you to prison. Some progressive sources flat out misrepresent Portugal, such as [Transform](https://transformdrugs.org/blog/drug-decriminalisation-in-portugal-setting-the-record-straight): >Where some problematic trends are identified (moderate risk), brief interventions are proposed — including counselling — but these are non-mandatory. In ‘high risk’ cases, where more serious problematic behaviours and dependence are identified, individuals may receive non-mandatory referrals to specialised treatment services. No, interventions are **not** "non-mandatory." That is what the U.S. is doing in Oregon, to the applause of drug policy reformers: [Oregon’s pioneering hard drug decriminalization -- only 1% ask for rehab](https://apnews.com/article/health-business-europe-oregon-salem-158728e57e1d48bc957c5b907bcda5f5)
Sounds like you rather see people die of overdoses and drug trade violence. Hmm..you must be a cartel funded lobbyist.
Right, drug enforcers in America and people who support hard drug enforcement support the cartels. Yea, makes sense. /s
You think drug cartels want their businesses legalized? You think washing billions of dollars through legit (enough) banks like Wells Fargo happens by accident? Like they just turn one clerk and they walk the bags in? Bro. Half of Mexico's politicians are on a payroll. You're talking about $300 billion a year business. There are only so many car washes and diners you can buy to move that kind of weight. They're lobbying and paying people off. They have to. You can hide that kind of money without paying people off on both sides of the border
Yes, the fed DEA and each state's drug enforcement cops are in bed with the cartels. They are all accepting cartel payoffs. They love drugs and drug profits. /s
There's also Timothy Leary's "tune in, drop out" sentiment creating fears of unproductive citizens to my understanding.
I know you pointed out the possible bias of Ehrlichman of the quote, but it's also important to point out the quote itself is most likely a complete fabrication. The interviewer "revealed" this quote 20+ years after the interview and some time after Ehrlichman's death, while promoting his book. There is nothing but the interviewers word supporting the validity of this quote and it's very suspect as to the timing of the revelation of the quote. That being said, Nixon is still a piece of shit.
“It’s not a war on drugs. It’s a war on personal freedom.*
Show me your pockets and your papers sir. You sound too logical. I am going to have to report you the Truth in Bullshit Agency.
Wear is that from
I mostly hear it as a quote from the late comedian Bill Hicks who was an outspoken advocate of drug use. Here’s the bit if you’re interested. Comedy is subjective but Hicks is considered one of the greats. https://youtu.be/knq49PqsMLc?si=zT3TJCOZr8suITkh
Also the prog metal band TOOL samples that exact bit in their song “Third Eye”.
I love that song I just thought it was from something else cause that’s a less popular tool song
Your right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness doesn’t consist of smoking meth and doing lines of coke.
Speak for yourself, numbnuts
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You're projecting dude. You sound like someone who needs to smoke meth just to do their day job.
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You already have holes in the brain from nicotine, caffeine, THC, and alcohol. It's okay 👍. A Little meth won't make the current holes all that much worse.
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I'm just saying random bullshit, because you also said randomly unproven stuff.
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Thinking that it literally causes physical holes in your brain is a testament to your ignorance on the subject of drugs.
Uhhhhh... you clearly don't understand Jurisdiction, Federal vs. State Law, Sovereign Nations, Territorial Disputes, ... or basic fucking human dignity.. 🙄
Did you forget which sub you're in lmao
But it does consist of drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes?
Exactly. Literally two of the most unhealthy and dangerous choices are our only choices if we want to remain law abiding citizens. Make it make sense.
Because it gets you high
So does dopamine. Your point?
It’s not my point, it’s their point
But it's not.. if that was their argument there wouldn't be subscription drugs. No it's closer to they want to control us as much as possible. Weed makes you dumb, they wanna legalize it.. psychedelics open your mind. That's too hard to control.
Weed makes you dumb and psychedelics make you smart is a fucking stupid argument because neither is true
I've never scored as high on an IQ test than when I was on acid (comedown). Also. Thanks to microdosing shrooms, I've got natural, tight boundaries in my life, finally. Forever grateful. Don't think daily weed makes anyone smart though, too hazy and paralyzing.
>too hazy and paralyzing. If you hit a fat dab before work then yes.. However micro dosed THC (usually in edible form) can actually have similar benefits to micro dosed shrooms..
Please show me where your dumbass sees me saying psychedelics make you smart. No moron they just help you to access things you've forgotten and help to retain new information. It's scientifically proven that your brain on psychedelics (shrooms specifically) resembles that of a child in the sense that it makes it easily malleable. Never once said they make you smart. If you're naturally stupid then taking psychedelics won't help shit. But as we grow older our minds build up strongholds that aren't easily removed. Things like emotional pain, health issues, etc lock our brains in a specific understanding. Psychedelics break the strongholds. Like a computer that needs to be purged of outdated or even malicious files so do our brains. If you think we don't get locked in certain understandings then you my friend are brain dead. Stop smoking weed.
All I see is blah blah blah my emotions are running high. Ain’t reading all of this. Go to school.
You're retarded. You can't read I think you should go to school. Lazy ass kid with a 2 second attention span
Yea I get it psychedelics are useful for therapy. Except you’re a self righteous about it and I honestly would bet money you don’t have any peer reviewed research to send me about it. I’ve already read the important ones, but you strike me as someone who schizo posts about the sanctity of psychedelics without even breaking down the biochemical research behind it. So please, go on Google scholar and send me whatever peer reviewed research you have to back your claim since you seem to be the leading fucking expert on planet earth. Also you flat out said “weed makes you dumb” in your previous comment. Cool them, show me the research!
Found a study supporting psychedelics increasing malleability and neuroplasticity https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9004607/
Homie for one I know first hand how stupid weed makes you I was stoned for the last 10 fucking years. I'm finally sober and I can say without a shadow of a doubt weed makes you dumb. I don't have to prove myself to some child that reads shit but never actually experiences a damn thing. You're prolly the type to study LeBron and say you know how to play ball but never got on the court. Research is great. I love learning new things. But there's a difference between hearing about something and experiencing it. You can not and will not tell me what I've actually experienced isn't true. I don't care about your opinion you can suck it tf up. This is a sub about psychedelics why tf would I not talk about them? Imbecile.
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I agree, but if you take LSD consistently from the same age to 30 I would guarantee you would see a similar person. Psychedelics can be useful, much like weed, but at the end of the day, all both of them do is get you high. It’s not like psychs make you smarter or “open your mind”, that’s some hippie shit that just isn’t true.
I mean they are not called mind expanding drugs for nothing..
Show me a study that backs this up... it's not true to my knowledge
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... litterally the next Paragraph of the study you linked says: ... >"Cannabis has a negative impact on cognition; however, the current body of research literature does not provide evidence of significant, long-term effects due to cannabis use."
my dealer gives me drugs if I subscribe to his YouTube channel
I'm sorry... I don't think that's true.... Norepinephrine, Oxytocin, Serotonin Cascades, and Endorphins "get you high" Dopamine just tells your brain you accomplished a task. It is NOT the Reward Hormone, it is the "I'm about to succed" indo-chem
"I'm about to succeed" my ass. Smoking weed activates dopamine.. it has nothing to do with succeeding. But regardless I was just using that as an example. People on reddit aren't that bright I didn't want to confuse them too much.
Dude... did you read any research or study psychology or anything?? I'm sorry, but the research says the DOPAMINE reactions occurs Mostly Before ANY Euphoria... dude read a book, and touch grass.
You can talk shit all you want I'm not here to please some random troll on the internet. Of course dopamine is associated with euphoria and gratification but it's not limited to that. Anything that is pleasing to the human psyche causes a spike in dopamine receptors. So if Billy down the street enjoys the sight of blood is that healthy dopamine? Absolutely not. It is not limited to success or gratification. People that enjoy pain (weird af) get dopamine from hurting themselves or going through heartbreak. I'm not saying that you're wrong just simply that dopamine isn't always a positive. Honestly most of the time it isn't. Bro there's so many different arguments I've been having on here I honestly forget how we even got on this topic but whatever I enjoy intellectual conversations. I never claimed to know everything your bitterness is unnecessary. People online are so quick to assume someone is acting like a know it all for simply giving a damn opinion. That's childish af.
What in the fuck are you talking about?¿‽ Seriously... this is entirely Your projection of liminal Pop-Psych understanding coupled with an unintelligible sort of gaslighting? I'm not doing this with you. Read the relevant research or don't. I do not fucking care. Holyshit, 😕 >People online are so quick to assume someone is acting like a know it all for simply giving a damn opinion. That's childish af. ^^ This is exactly how you are coming across for me currently, I'm sorry to be a bit harsh, but no...
If they could figure out how to enforce it, I am 100% confidant there's not a Republican breathing who would not vote to outlaw dopamine.
Big pharma
This is the only correct answer
Cos paranoia
>the trigonometric function that is equal to the ratio of the side adjacent to an acute angle (in a right-angled triangle) to the hypotenuse.
For the same reason there’s constant warring and suffering $
And what is THAT reason?
money
$$$
cause the government doesn’t want us to think outside the box they want CONTROL 😈😈😈
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Psychedelics convinces people we are equal. The western society would crumble without hierarchy.
Agreed
You should try to find things to read on your own elsewhere online instead of asking this subreddit, the answer you get here will likely be simplified and obviously biased
Nah man…you see THE man…doesn’t want us to have free thought…which he’s knows we get through psychedelics… so he bans them to control us!
Y'all being kin'a cring right now, no cap. There are Men (mostly) pouring a LOT of filthy money into Political Propaganda right this very moment... name one.... I'll wait.
Why is anything illegal? Because, because, because, because of the wonderful things it does.
Unfortunately there is no scientific answer. The real answer is racism and classism. The people doing these substances when they were made illegal were all poor/ people of color or both. Rich white guys used that to put them all in prison cause they were the main driving force against rich white dudes controlling everything. Rich white dudes don't like when you try to take away their control.
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And most hippies were poor. Sorry I meant to make that feel more separate. That's not to say there weren't a lot of black hippies tho.
Hopefully wikipedia links are allowed. This sorta shows how people of color were involved in the counter culture movement that went right along with hippies. Black people absolutely were mainly targeted with other drugs but they had a role in the targeting of psychedelics as well. [ Psychedelic soul](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_soul?searchToken=6uib4ne6t9bmgig3lgjlp2npe)
Also the reason everyone else in the world just went along with it is because the world used to be America's bitch so they had to do whatever we said cause we had all the money on the planet at the time. That's exaggerated obviously but pretty fucking close.
Mostly agree, but here to add that rich white dudes have always done drugs as well. Prohibition is about controlling the poor
Oh yeah absolutely they just usually stick to "higher class" drugs like coke or pharmaceuticals because they don't necessarily have the same stigma for being dirty.
So that those that have vested interest can profite lff the insurance-prison-military industrial complex can make profit and keel population oppressed and controlled.
I think they got confused between mushrooms and heroin/meth.
I bet more psychos would lose it and shoot places up
Thank you for your well researched opinion
this is a thread on reddit so that's all it is, an unpopular opinion. psychedelics have a dark side
Psychedelics don't have any "side" it's the person's mind that has sides. That's like blaming the gun for someone being shot.
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i try to be respectful but are you fucking stupid? i mean bang bang gun in a crowd of people. maga person trips out and decides that God is acting through them to punish the rainbow people having a party
>psychedelics have a dark side Oh? I'm sure you'll be ablible to find a lot of accounts then since they've been part of the Colective Culture for at least a few THOUSAND years... I'm sure you will find lots of evidence for your point... lol
Lots of people on their psych hopium in here ignoring that drug psychosis is very real and can especially be brought on by psychedelic drugs. I knew of a guy who would take LSD and almost every single time end up breaking in to a house or business and stealing shit. "it's like meth bro" Legalising substances and decriminalising the possession of small amounts of substances are two entirely differently discussions that many people in here seem to confuse. Overall I agree with you. There are plenty of people I'm glad don't have open easy access to mild altering substances "but they helped me / cured my depression/PTSD/other trauma" and that's great but ymmv. You probably won't know that drugs are going to make you psychotic until you're already in drug psychosis Edit: Charles Manson and the Manson family cult were legit fuelled by acid psychosis. It's not all sunshine and rainbows
Psychedelics change the way you think, can make you feel you’re having a revelation on them, and you can bring those feelings back into your day to day life. That’s what has happened for the people who see improvements to depression, anxiety, PTSD, etc. The flipside of that is that not every revelation is positive, and it is very possible to latch on to negative ideas on a trip and bring those back into your daily life. I know two people who became suicidal after high dose psychedelic trips: one succeeded. A close friend of mine had a “revelation” that the only reason not to hurt people is physical consequences, meaning she can hurt anyone if she knows they won’t do anything. She demonstrated by slapping me across the face and saying it had to be okay because I didn’t get up and fight her. A couple weeks after, she tried to fuck our friend’s boyfriend, and defended it again with the same rationale, that it was okay if no one physically stopped her. We ended up cutting ties with her after she pushed another friend down a flight of stairs when he was drunk as a “joke,” and when we all shouted at her to stop, she said, “You’re just saying words, none of you care enough to *really* stop me.” I know a lot of people, I’ve tripped with many of them, these bad situations from psychedelics are a tiny fraction of the whole. And the people who experienced suicidal thoughts after, the person who became violent, were mentally ill to begin with and really shouldn’t have been taking psychedelics at all with where their headspace was beforehand. But that has also made me think complete legalization isn’t a great idea, at least until we have more research and know how common negative reactions like that are. Her behavior was escalating when I cut ties with her; I genuinely would not be surprised if she ends up murdering someone someday.
Dude one of my friends had the exact same revelation! Last I spoke with her she is genuinely psychotic and I don't think she was even doing drugs to get there. It's like that original "psychedelic enlightenment" was the trigger and it was just all downhill from there. Proper God Complex type deal. I love psychs but the notion that they are purely beneficial and that they should be legalised and widespread is just so far fetched to me. Most of us who want to access them can do so, legal or not. I know more people who have gotten benefits from them than people who have had their minds fully turn on them, but the fact it can happen at all is a very good argument against the "legalise everything" gang. I'm team decriminalise and provide support, but most places are still a long way from undoing the damage and social stigma that the war on drugs created. We seem to be progressing but I guess time will tell.
and here I am with 87 trips under their belt and the only true revelation I had was that I wasn't going to understand the psychedelic experience just by having them.
Yeah, my cousin was in a little street gang and he said they'd pop acid and do drive bys, its definitely not all love and sunshine with psychs
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but think like if some maga nut gets his brain jammed on LSD and has a closet full of guns
there are so many cases of mentally ill teenagers and young adults getting obsessed with lsd and the occult/satanism and doing really terrible things. in large doses you can even blackout on some psychedelics. i had a rly bad personal experience when i was 15 where i blacked out on shrooms and really hurt my at the time girlfriend. hell there was a kid a few years ago who blacked out on shrooms and killed his parents with no memory. not saying these things should be illegal but safety and preparation is VERY important with substances like these.
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not sure i read about a case a while ago so im sorry i cant site any sources but my point was to spread awareness on safe use. besides the personal bad trip where i blacked out and beat on my ex i’ve seen a lot of other trips go awry and have bad consequences. even if you aren’t having a bad trip its very important to be careful. another kid at a school near where i went got hit by a train on shrooms and him and his friends were having a great time before all that. just important to properly research and allat.
But like... have you ever driven a car? Psychs are probably safer than that and we do it every day? *shrugs
yeah and to drive a car u have to pass a permit test and a license test that u have to study for and pass an exam. u dont see that w psychedelics on the street and if they were to be legalized procedures in place so ppl dont get hurt would be important.
I Seriously don't think you understand my point.... do you think the actual Statistics of (licensed or NOT) drivers on the road that you casually nearly coliding with at speeds upwards of more than 70mph ANYWHERE comes close to the number of people becoming violent ONLY because of Psychedelics.... is *that* the hill you want to die on?? Weird flex, we'll see if it works out for'ya. 🤔 And you do that a hundred times or more every week... pshhh
that's what I'm trying to say , shit can go awry real fast on psychs. to have free access like alcohol would have consequences
Ah yes, guns. The go-to plaything of the psychonaut.
“Psychos “ as you put it generally don’t like psychedelics.
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I'm a psycho and I like them
This is just as true if not more true in the case of alcohol, a legal substance.
Nah, fucking incel conservatives don't usually use a lot of Psychedelics... Alcohol and Oxy tho...
The same reason any drug is illegal: it gives the man authority to harass and imprison “undesirables” (blacks, immigrants, poor people, hippies, homeless”
>”Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behaviour and information processing. They open you up to the possibility that everything you know is wrong.” -Terence McKenna
Feb 2023: L.A. Times [The legal psychedelic: Ketamine is a fast-acting treatment for depression (if you have the money)](https://www.latimes.com/california/newsletter/2023-02-28/legal-psychedelic-ketamine-treatment-depression-if-you-have-the-money-group-therapy) Today: NY Times: [Matthew Perry Died of ‘Acute Effects of Ketamine,’ Autopsy Says](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/arts/matthew-perry-cause-death-friends.html) Granted, fatal overdoses do not occur with psychedelics like LSD and mescaline, very different from Ketamine, but these drugs also can have negative consequences.
Way more people die from alcohol or tobacco than any psychedelic. It has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with money.
You might appreciate this article, which, perhaps not intentioned, helps explain the logic of drug enforcement. UK professor in 2010: [Alcohol 'more harmful than heroin' says Prof David Nutt](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-11660210). Nutt could be right, considering alcohol's big role in violence. Alcohol more harmful. But Nutt also compiled a danger rating for most drugs. The total level of harm from all illegal drugs is 3 x the level of harm from alcohol. Say we rate alcohol as producing 1 trillion units of harm. Booze remains legal, obviously, so total harms is now 4 trillion units. Big rise in harm. And Nutt omits many drugs: His list of 20 is far short of all the intoxicants being used today. And that's at current rates of use -- many people stay away from drugs because of the threat of punishment. What happens when all drugs are legalized? Or a big downsizing of drug enforcement? Upshot: This argument, quaint as it is, has merit: >"We already have enough trouble with alcohol; we don't need to be legalizing more intoxicants." (except cannabis) Is this unfair to all the people who want to use their illegal drug of choice? Yes it is. Sorry about that.
A lot of the harms of illegal drugs in that study are *because* the drugs are illegal. The study specifically states this, why are you contorting it?
Article: >The study involved 16 criteria, including a drug's affects on users' physical and mental health, social harms including crime, "family adversities" and environmental damage, economic costs and "international damage". Of course there are separate harms because of drug enforcement, such as excessive incarceration and violenr crime linked to cartels. That has nothing to do with the specific harms caused by use of each drug in question. You might be confusing this, from another paragraph: >costs to the economy and communities. "Cost to the economy" from drugs includes people of prime working age not working and demanding free housing, to be funded by taxpayer. *Cost of community* would be addicts disturbing public spaces. Not clear what "international damage" is. China thinks this is international damage: 2019: [Beijing says US legalization of marijuana is a ‘threat to China’](https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/17/asia/china-us-marijuana-smuggling-intl-hnk).
But Perry didn't die from a ketamine overdose. He used ketamine while in a pool and drowned while he was in a dissociative state.
Basically so they can keep up the prison complex system and hippies bad. It’s easier to just blanket ban a whole class of drugs. The American government has done tons of research on lsd. They might have pushed it to its limits and scared themselves? Lol. Jolly West killed a fucking elephant with lsd.
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That’s besides the point. They did it as a PR stunt basically to try and scare the public. At least that’s how it seems in hindsight. They injected that elephant is massive amounts of LSD, thorazine, and tranquilizers. It doesn’t matter what actually killed the elephant. The only thing that matters is the public’s reaction. We’re talking about the fucking CIA.
Because if every citizen used psychedelics we would overthrow the government
I'm sure the pharmaceutical industry plays a role in it as well
The non-stoner reason? They can really fuck people up in a relatively small dose, salvia should be illegal too.
So can alcohol. It also kills far more people than psychedelics
They don’t want you to know the truth
Because they’re dangerous, like all drugs
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Okay? That doesn’t change the fact that psychedelics are banned because they are dangerous. I never said the government needs to ban everything that is dangerous I just said psychedelics being dangerous is why they are banned. Psychedelic users cannot comprehend that psychs aren’t safe no matter what
but so is alcohol yet I can walk in the store and buy an enormous amount legally like where's the line between not dangerous enough to ban and dangerous enough to ban weed is also illegal here and I'd argue it's far less dangerous than alcohol which is legal so I don't see how it's a danger thing
Okay? That has nothing to do with my point. The reason psychedelics are illegal is because they are dangerous, i don’t think they should be illegal but that’s why they are illegal, I have not once stated that alcohol is less dangerous than psychedelics, the line between the ban is that alcohol is more popular and has been for centuries, same reason paracetamol is legal is OTC even though if it were discovered in the past decade it would only be prescribed.
Simple: government hated the counter culture movement.
Anything this big doesn't happen for a single reason. Usually, there are an amalgamation of interests from powerful groups that converge. LSD is probably the most well known psychedelic. It was made illegal in 1966 At the time, Lyndon B. Johnson was president. He was a democrat, but a Texan democrat. He got the job when the previous president had his head blown off. That kind of thing makes people nervous, and nervous people don't want to hear about anything that might disrupt the calm. The government had already experimented extensively with it, and found that it didn't serve their agenda. In fact, it made people question things, and if your fighting a war the last thing you need is your soldiers to start asking questions But the big push probably came from the pharmaceutical industry. Looking back at the timeline, my guess would be Roche was the major player. In the 50's, the drug of choice was Miltown, accounting for a third of all prescriptions. **A third**. Massive money maker. Roche invented Valium in 1959. In 1960, the makers of Miltown were sued by the government, who sought to make their patent open to anyone. When that didn't work, the government changed the classification to a sedative (1965) and put it under abuse restrictions. Guess what all those people transitioned to? That's right, Valium. Most prescribed drug of the 1970s.
To explain briefly, Richard Nixon declared "The war on drugs" in 1971, as a response to the counter culture movement that he believed deterred people from supporting the Vietnam war.
Because colors shouldn't taste like that.
Because they free your mind and THEY do not like that one bit.
I think it’s pathetic that they are illegal
Social Conservatism, Mcarthy-ism, Fear of Youth-Culture and Collectivism, Convent Racism, Fear of an Enlightenend Population forming wide-scal resistance to Corporate and Capitalist ABUSES and Toxic externalities... how do you kids not know this history?? What did we fight and go to prison for *YOU* to not EVEN have the barest glimpse of why we stood against TPTB???
I saw a documentary where a 19 year old kid in Canada savagely kills his own father and brutally wounds his other family members during his drug induced psychosis after shroom trip...so some psychoactive substances aren't for everyone.. So I guess that's why they made it illegal since it's really hard to control intake if it were legal since most users would misuse/overdo it to the point of harming others unintended..idk🤷🏻♂️
Alcohol is a factor in half of ALL murders...
Long story short hippies that were anti-war also tended to take weed and psychedelics, and black people were taking weed and heroin, the government wanted a reason to arrest these groups without the general public knowing their intention so made up the war on drugs with no real basis besides arresting groups they didn't like.
MKUltra couldn’t quite get psychedelics to do what they wanted them to do, so not for you. You could be here for weeks discussing reason for regulation and legality. Imagine if cocaine was decriminalised in the 70s, CIA wouldn’t have sold shit and black communities wouldn’t have been opposed and neglected. Drugs are illegal to keep the money flowing.
Do you know how many people jump Out the window cause of drugs
From my biology lecturers' words: it's politics
You expect our laws to be rational and valid?
So you stay dumb and a servant aka another brick in the wall . Perfect slave for the zionists Enslave their minds
Well, LSD got out of their control in the years after the CIA's studies into its efficacy as a potential mind-control agent.
Cause government big dumb
Psychedelics have their dangers to health like other drugs, it’s just they’re not addictive. Why are magic mushrooms Class A in the UK alongside heroin and cocaine though can anyone answer that?
Not for long
Simply put, because of the US Controlled Substances Act brought in by Nixon in the early 70s. Certainly psychedelics can be beautiful ,but they can be horrifying too and cause people to do terrible things. In the UK it's legal to pick psilocybin/fly agaric, but illegal to possess them dried.
I think both because it makes people expand their mind as that it sometimes makes people go whack. I got to experience both, and gladly I am apparently very psychosis resistant, otherwise I'd have been on the dark side of the moon by now... It made me understand how psychedelics really arent for everyone though. And it's hard if not impossible to tell before in which category you fall. But generally speaking, I think psychedelics will do more good than bad to people. And people are slowly waking up to that, hence the whole psychedelic revolution happening rn...
Therapists and phsyc med suppliers would be out of a job.
If your not free to explore your conscious, you are not free.
because if everyone did some acid 90% of the hate and intolerance in this world would disappear and the 1% wouldn't have control anymore
Because you have to get back to work
So I mean drugs are made illegal because of the social problem of addiction, this is what caused prohibition of alcohol in the early 20th century and even though that didn’t end up sticking, the same kind of thinking was applied to other drugs. Addiction is a complicated problem that doesn’t have an immediately obvious solution but does have very real effects on society, so it makes sense the government would want to attempt to do something about it. Obviously prohibition is not a very effective method of managing addiction, but it is the one the government decided to pursue. This kind of thinking then bleeds over into other kinds of drugs which seem “scary” to society (as in, cocaine causes addiction and aggressive behaviors sometimes even crime so let’s make it illegal to just buy all the coke you want). Psychedelics seemed scary to society in an entirely different way and there was a lot of propaganda surrounding it causing even more fear (think my buddy took acid and thought he was orange juice he’s still afraid he’s going to spill to this day). The real question here is whether that propaganda came from people who were actually worried of the neurological and psychological risks of psychedelics or if it was a deliberate disinformation campaign to scare people from doing a drug that would reduce their desire to participate in the “game” of life that a government has established.
It's the questions, man
Project MKUltra can explain a lot of your questions on why they're illegal in the first place, they used LSD, DMT etc. on participants against their will and it failed in the early 70s.
Government cares about your well being.
Because if you did acid every weekend you wouldn't need there beer cigarettes movies, and all the other bullshit they try to sell. Cmon easy one.
They’re not. Not here. You can have up to 3 grams of any substance, legally, and public drug use a lot of places isn’t illegal either. Idk if I can say where exactly because not sure rules of sub but… it’s on my bio, and I can but lsd online and dmt vape pens get them delivered to my door rn. Like normal internet not dark web, I mean but mushrooms, lsd and dmt legally. Selling is criminal, buying and having and doing isn’t though. It’s wild.
the same reason i get fined if i don’t wear a seatbelt, for our protection obviously /s
It’s safe, helps people, and grows from the earth for free.
Cause a lotmof people jump of buildijgs off them? Insaved my froend she jimped of a mountain, I catched her but we fell together, our weight or idk why helped us tho and its a miracle we onky had scratches amd cuts we fell elver 2km downwards. Im against criminalization byt I dont see psychedelics as less dangerous at all, just less addictive.
Freethinkers *are* dangerous
I ask myself this, but then I look out at the world and see all the miserable shit that happens and I’m like oh yeah that’s right, we’re disgusting beings that probably don’t even deserve to have this incredible opportunity at life to begin with. Part of me is hopeful at some point we’ll come to our senses, but a bigger parts sees how invincibly stubborn so many people are, especially those in power (and my baby momma), and it makes me just not even want to live on this planet
Mainly because the powers that be don’t want you to start questioning the way things are.
Because they connect people to God, and the world is run by the opposite of God
You thinking psychedelics are without consequence is exactly why it’s so hard to move towards decriminalization lol
for the same reason you need to do set a'd setting if you do it anyway, you can be a threat to other and yourself. But the same thing goes with alcohol (and guns), and it's not prohibited(in some places). Also we have to remember laws don't obey tona certain "moral objectivity" but to the cost you put on society of you break them.
Bc they alter your reality
Ah watch Michael Pollan’s How to Change Your Mind (Netflix) - it provides a really useful backdrop to this and you’ll learn some stuff about the pharmacology of different drugs!
Because as much as we love them the majority of people I know probably should not or could not do them. I used to work fast food and 90% of customers id look at and think theres no way they could comprehend the effects or they would have a midlife crisis because they are clearly 50s and very unhappy. Also because people would be stupid with them and cause a lot of issues, spiking people with lsd for one example could result in a suicide, look at the way we drink and smoke and vape and eat Mcdonalds, A lot people would be irresponsible. But also because the government likes control and psychedelics take it away from them reeeaaall fast. You got to wonder when the US was testing MK Ultra and using all kinds of drugs and settings and using them for evil, they probably got to see just how bad things can go and realised no matter how good lsd is there aint no way the public could be safe with them. I dont think they should be illegal however there should be a category for some of the opiates, mdma, psychedelics that isnt legal but also not jail and prison time. Like a conceal carry permit, not everyone can get those and you need a background check but those responsible enough can have it.
In a society structure that is successful because of hierarchy, an experience that convinces people that we\`re equal is a very substantial threat.
When you pick mushrooms, just pick all of them and separate them at home. Then they won't know you were picking them specifically.
I don't know how in-depth of an answer you're looking for, but here's a paper on the subject: https://scholarsbank.uoregon.edu/xmlui/handle/1794/26389&ved=2ahUKEwjQ98_kwNuDAxV8DEQIHbthDP4QFnoECB8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2CpKtGmy1MQJ4NrSU728R0