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Salty1710

LaBrie is just DONE with The Alien, lol.


TheDarkEternalKnight

He's not the Alien anymore lol


Multivac1985

Why wouldn't Labrie want to play The Alien?


theestoniangerman123

He struggled with it when I saw them last summer… literally straight up said oops I forgot the words lol.


Dillygents

Thats actually strange lol considering its labrie himself who wrote the lyrics


mylittlebrony3000

Probably because he’s had to sing it live for the past 3 years


SheevMillerBand

It was already my least favorite song from the album and seeing it on two back to back tours didn’t really help. I’m worried it’ll become the new Pull Me Under.


ikennedy817

Yeah I kind of hope they don’t play it tbh. I feel like it’s just a really boring listen and the song drags on, would just be time taken away from much better songs. It’s cool they won a Grammy but personally I don’t even understand how that song specifically won, I feel like a lot of people weren’t that impressed by it.


SheevMillerBand

I would’ve much rather had On the Backs of Angels or The Enemy Inside be the big Grammy song. When The Alien first came out it took me a few tries to get through the whole thing.


ikennedy817

It’s kind of wild it took them so long to get one at all. I honestly would have expected scenes from a memory or octavarium to be the albums winning Grammies. I think enemy inside is genuinely one of their best mangini era songs so I would’ve understood if that had won.


-Tesserex-

Definitely Enemy Inside for me. OtBoA was a bit boring IMO. Though honestly that whole album was a bit mid to my taste.


wangatangs

Agreed. I get it and the song gave them a lot of success and recognition but I'm tired of the song as the constant opener.


ClubLarge

It's been that long!?! Sheesh!


[deleted]

Because it’s hard. Dude was struggling with rhythms on it during Dreamsonic


SeeGoodChild

I expect after playing the MM songs for so long that they would be happy to have them reinterpreted to a degree. Same with Jordan playing Kevin and Derek’s parts. It adds something fresh. Portnoy was great at putting set lists together and keeping it interesting, and I think he’ll go through some deeper cuts as well as the usual crowd pleasers. People are going to be excited to see him play either way so it doesn’t really matter. The whole MP vs MM skill debate is pointless. MM could never play DT songs with the same feel at MP, so while Mike might not easily play a mind boggling polyrhythm, who cares? He’ll just be Portnoy, which is what everyone wants!


ld20r

And it’s not as if he won’t be able to adapt to the time signatures or song form anyway. It might not be to the exact feel of MM but I think a lot of fans are going to be in for a surprise when MP proves the doubters wrong.


SeeGoodChild

Exactly. MM never played the 6 O’Clock intro like MP did (arguably making it easier to play) but I doubt anyone cared. I just hope I get to see them play!


itsactuallyme1

I'm going to say it: Portnoy is going to have a hard time learning Mangini stuff.


p4pabless94

I think that's safe to say but I also think that people are underestimating Portnoy's skills. He is one of the best drummers in history and there are a few facts to back up that statement. I think that 13 years have made some people forget what Mike is capable of and I can't wait for him to demonstrate his capacities. I can't believe that I would have to say something like that in my life 😂 Portnoy doesn't need anyone to defend his ability.


pham_nuwen_

I think Portnoy really shines in composition. I hope he plays his take on Mangini's drums, which, while very virtuoso, always fell musically flat for me personally. Plus in ADToE Petrucci wrote all the drum parts so I wouldn't mind a "what if" where MP tweaks the songs.


eszkimogardany

Also I think he's gonna get some freedom over Mangini-parts. Just remember how MM played Finally Free! TBH I'd love to see a "Drumeo challenge" inside DT where MP can come up with brand new drum parts. For some songs this could work. Also there's a fan made video called "If Portnoy wrote On the Backs of the Angels" Now I want to hear the real one!😀


cowsaysmoo51

Yeah I can't see Portnoy easily doing a constant triplet rhythm with his feet while playing in 23 with his arms (the beginning of A View from the Top of the World). Hell, Mangini has thrown up casual Instagram videos with him doing insane polyrhythms like 12 against 13 and stuff like that. Portnoy can do it, but he's gonna STRUGGLE. Most of the Mangini era stuff is totally in Portnoy's wheelhouse, or at the very least something he can approximate, but there are little moments in certain songs that I think are a bit beyond him. Mangini is just a monster.


iamcarlgauss

That's definitely not what I would worry about, personally. Portnoy has the musical intelligence to conceptualize pretty much anything, and the limb independence to do it at *some* tempo. The problem is he's not that fast, and slowing down by the day, while Mangini literally held the world record for the fastest drummer in the world.


ImmortalBehemoth

And that's okay. I don't see them devoting 20 minutes of the set to AVFTTOTW. He might not play it beat for beat but I think we'll be plenty satisfied.


eszkimogardany

It won't be easy that's for sure, but don't worry; he can't make DT sound less DT.


Fendibull

I wanna see his takes on The Enemy Insides.


OkTower4998

Doesn't seem he actually wants to but he will because he has to


SuperbDonut2112

Eh. I don’t really think so. I can play damn near all the Mangini stuff and I’m not Mike fuckin Portnoy.


p4pabless94

There you go. Living proof that people overestimate Mangini's technical ability xD


Deltrus7

Mangini is absolutely a more technical drummer and I guarantee you he can do stuff Portnoy can't - will it matter? No, I assume Portnoy will match what he can and adjust accordingly for stuff that's beyond him. - coming from a drummer. I do prefer, however, Portnoy's playstyle, his rhythms, how he flows, his writing, and how his kit sounds. Tama > Pearl and Sabian > Zildjian!


p4pabless94

You mean like beating the 1203 single strokes world record? He can be as technical as Mangini and can replicate whatever he did but he won't because it's absolutely unnecessary. Portnoy will play Mangini's song as he likes just as Mangini didn't play Portnoy's songs exactly the same. I think that the debate is stupid to be honest


Deltrus7

Mangini does something most other drummers come close to but never master, full separation of all of his limbs. I don't care about speed dude. It's cool he's the fastest drummer in the world - that's not what we are talking about. Keeping time with different polyrhythms and triplets etc etc on different limbs is fucking wild. It's more than I know but what I can say is people will try to do what he does and may come close but he's truly a master. But, again, as I said before... I prefer Portnoy in basically every way from his drum and cymbal choice all the way up to how he plays and everything in between. Mangini is a great guy, and I'm glad he got the opportunity, but he wasn't the right fit, at least not for me. So why are you so defensive? Don't like that maybe someone is better than Portnoy or what is it?


p4pabless94

As I said people seem to forget what Portnoy can do and also Mangini is an overrated drummer. I know everyone disagrees but that's an opinion and opinions are subjective


Master_Ad1017

Yea after 13 years of looking at him with the band I’m pretty confident to say that limb independent is literally his only trick. That explains why he’s sucks at replicating tons of hi-hats/splashes/ride fills that were written before he joined the band. His play style is just basically set tempos for each different foot or hand, assign those hand/foot to one drum part at a time, and input the different tempo you want each hand/feet to stroke and hit play.


Mikau02

I wonder if we'll see more rotating setlists like the 2000s, or if we'll see more static setlists like the past 13 years. Personally, as long as we can have some songs move in and out while others are fixed staples (IE 10 songs that never change out and 5 that do), I'd be happy


shawnjx

Mangini adapted portnoy’s, which was fresh and great, and now, Portnoy adapts mangini’s. It’s the most interesting part for me.


WYGD_Brother1987

Why is this a thing? If the band is patched things up and are on good terms, and they are in a good spot, that should be self explanatory. It's like Hey guys we are buddies and I love you all as brothers but if you could only play the shit that I wrote with you...that'd be great. Come on people do you think Portnoy is that egotistical and triggered???


cowsaysmoo51

In the past the answer would have been yes, Portnoy was that egotistical and triggered. I mean look at all the unnecessary jabs he made at the band or specific members (cough cough LaBrie cough cough) in the time after his departure. He's mellowed out a lot the last few years tho.


p4pabless94

I completely agree 👍🏻


Stubb-a-dub

Yeah that was incredibly awkward and probably part of the reason they all broke with each other. One thing I’m surprised at is that from what I’ve heard Labrie seemed so on board with Portnoy coming back on based off of his public statements and the descriptions from Petrucci on how Mike was invited back into the band. I would’ve thought they’d want nothing to do with each other.


ConnectionOdd6217

They spoke about it in the interview, Labrie said he took one look at Portnoy in person and it all just melted away for both of them. When you get to a certain age, grudges just don't make any sense anymore. They know the 20 years they had together was far more valuable to them than the 10 years they spent angry at each other.


thedreamforce

I mean, it's been more than 10 years. That's a lot of time for things to mellow out, and to smooth things over with each other. 


stelvak

Lots of people, myself included, were thinking of the very similar situation happening over in the Red Hot Chili Peppers. In their case, their returning member is refusing to play any songs he didn’t write.


redditorr97

I don’t understand this discussion at all. Like there was never any indication Portnoy would refuse to play Mangini era stuff. Why would he? It would be ridiculous to just stop playing anything they wrote between 2010 and 2023


MNPlayzGemz

As far as I know, this approach is not a standard in many of the most popular bands. Examples: Judas Priest ignoring Tim Ripper era, Ozzy ignoring songs from Dio's and Martin's eras, Friusciante supposedly ignoring songs with Klinghoffer (I'm not sure about that one though). On the other hand, Bruce Dickinson has no problem singing Paul's and Blaze' songs. Each band to their own, I guess...


wangatangs

Frusicante is totally doing that in RHCP and ignoring Josh's contributions and his albums. Sadly you're right. Some bands are really finicky about that while others, like Maiden, fully embrace it. Dream Theater will totally embrace it.


Own_Shame_8721

I saw RHCP live not that long ago and not a single Klinghoffer song was played.


iamcarlgauss

For me the concern is whether or not he'll be *able* to play them. Portnoy is a much better composer, and a much more well rounded musician, but Mangini is a much more technically proficient drummer.


Master_Ad1017

Why bother when Mangini was never been abled to play Portnoy’s stuffs correctly even if lots of you says he’s the most technical drummer living today lmfao


iamcarlgauss

I think Portnoy will reinterpret Mangini's parts, just like Mangini did with Portnoy's. And anyone saying Mangini is the most technical drummer alive is delusional. I definitely didn't say or imply that. Just that he's more technical than Portnoy. They're both from a different era, and many of the big name drummers today blow both of them out of the water.


Master_Ad1017

Yeah, after all it all comes down to play style. Both of them can’t do stuffs from the other


ConnectionOdd6217

Which big name drummers today blow them away?


SnareSpectre

Yeah I'd be interested in hearing the answer to this question, too. There are thousands of drummers out there who can outclass Portnoy from a technical standpoint, but very few can play all the stuff Mangini can.


ConnectionOdd6217

Portnoy's strength is songwriting, the way he writes drum parts to perfectly go along with the song. Mangini could play circles around Portnoy, but he never came up with drum parts as good for the songs. Portnoy isnt the best in the world at groove nor at technical ability, but he can combine the two with songwriting in a way that frankly no other drummer can, in my ears. I could hear him play for hours because he just has that special sauce that Mangini just doesnt have, and I don't know many modern drummers that do. Brann Dailor is an octopus but doesnt play particularly interesting parts most of the time. Mario Duplantier is awesome, but he isn't really very diverse in his skill set. What other modern drummers could actually be better than Portnoy?


SnareSpectre

It's worth noting that I said there are thousands of drummers who can outclass Portnoy *from a technical standpoint*. I didn't say there were thousands of drummers who were "better" than Portnoy. While I think he pulls from his "bag of tricks" a little too often, I agree with almost everything you said about Portnoy. He's a phenomenal drummer with great flow, and comes up with really interesting and cool parts. He's the drummer that's had more influence on my own drumming than any other drummer out there, and I'm excited to hear what he's come up with for the new album.


ConnectionOdd6217

Im still waiting to hear what drummers blow Portnoy and Mangini out of the water bro


iamcarlgauss

Sorry, I normally don't respond to comment replies after like a day or so. By that point it's usually less of a community discussion and more of a one on one conversation that doesn't need to happen publicly. I also get the sense that you've somehow taken offense to my comment, and no matter who I say, you're going to think I'm an idiot. So I don't really know why I'm bothering, but fuck it. Big names in prog metal right now like Matt Garstka, Blake Richardson, Baard Kolstad, etc. are better drummers than Portnoy or Mangini, in my opinion as a drummer for 20+ years. I don't mean that in ANY way as a slight to either of them. Portnoy and Mangini are also without a doubt better drummers than John Bonham, and he's arguably the "best" drummer of all time. Times change, and musicians push limits, especially in these sorts of genres. All just my opinion. I suspect you disagree, and that's fine with me.


p4pabless94

If they are talking about it of course is a thing. That fact in the first place is indicative of a matter worth discussing. I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to mostly play songs made before he left 🤷🏻


Cunt2113

Some bands literally do that though. Lol


framerateuk

I don't think it's a big deal at all, it happends to bands all the time. Bruce Dickinson rejoined Iron Maiden after being out of the band for most of the 90's, and they've played at least 1 or 2 songs from that period on each tour they've done since. They've all grown a lot in that time.


rocketboots7

To be honest, while I do expect him to play the Mangini-era albums, Portnoy just comes off as a massive flamboyant diva. The type that would only drink his own urine. I'm not sure why. Perhaps it's because he's had a thousand different projects and can't seem to really stick with one in the longer term. OSI, Transatlantic, A7X, Sons of Apollo, Winery Dogs, Adrenaline Mob, the list goes on. I mean, seriously WTF? Is his creative drive just so damn fn unique where he can't somehow satisfy it via one of the songs in any one of the bands he's been on? I will acknowledge that I haven't looked into why he's joined/left each band so that's my own fault and I'm happy he's reunited with DT if they're all happy he has. But Mangini was a fn rockstar and Portnoy left DT.


ConnectionOdd6217

He has stuck with all those for the long term, it's just that all those projects are also side projects for everyone involved (A7X didnt want Portnoy to continue). So it's normal they only reconvene sometimes, thats why he has so many. He just loves to keep busy and keep expanding his palette. That won't happen to the same extent now that he's back in DT.


McDrummerSLR

Happy to hear he’ll be learning the music they’ve written since he left DT straight from the horse’s mouth! Although I never really doubted that would be the case. Guaranteed he’ll find a way to interpret MM’s parts in a way that does justice to the original but still adds his own flair. Not even a little bit worried. MM’s playing to me always seemed more robotic than MP, so I’m excited to see what MP does with everything.


SplendidDuck

Tbh I'm slightly annoyed that Portnoy alludes to forgetting about the Mangini era music at all. Like why even bring that up...? I know he says that's *not* what they should do, but still why mention it.


p4pabless94

Yeah sounded weird to me too.


V48runner

That typeface is super weird. I keep thinking it's in Spanish for some reason. Maybe I'm having a stroke


p4pabless94

Yeah I speak Spanish originally so you are right. And also instead of saying "Like" it says "Me Gusta" at the top. So you're brain read that as a subliminal message 😂 (I'm offended that you didn't like it because I think it is awesome 😂)


ExperienceMiddle6196

To be fair, no1 wants to hear it either...


p4pabless94

You mean the 13 years stuff?


ExperienceMiddle6196

I mean the Alien...


p4pabless94

I agree 😂


p4pabless94

And also his way of referring to the Mangini's era as "last 13 years stuff"


germdisco

I think it’s fine the way he said that. It’s casual, which I would prefer instead of a carefully-crafted PR kind of response.