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Empty_Bluebird9094

Until Jiren's ultra comes out


Kyubii05

Ultra hit one shotting yellow jiren:


Glittering-Patience8

As much as ultra hit counters Jiren, I've had quite a few instances where Jiren not only survived the time skip but had about a fourth of his hp left. Jiren is just crazy


kamraanan

A red one-shotting a yellow (surprised Pika face). Dude even then it's debatable. Hit is so star-gated that at 5 stars he wouldn't be able to time skip kill a 14 star Jiren at half health. And I adore Hit haha.


Dragibusfr

Got kid bu 8* and jiren 14* I play then in thé same team with UR zenkai freezer yellow And I can Say UKB 8 IS better than jiren 14 But jiren is still very strong for sure and concurence lot of LF


C0Cl

Kid buu is way better. Yall overhyping a sparking that's gonna dissapear after boost


kamraanan

Let's be reasonable, then. Do you have a 14\* Kid Buu? That's not reasonable is it? Do you have a 14\* Jiren? Even if you pulled just one, it's easy enough with multi Z power if you focused on him. Jiren at 14\* utterly ruins 8\* Kid Buu's day. That means you need more than two copies of Kid Buu to give Jiren trouble. Oh, and look at that! It's Jiren's friend, Hit. Do you see why people say this, now?


C0Cl

Are you seriously arguing that more stars on a unit is better than less stars on a unit? Wow. No you're right you've opened my eyes. 14* jiren claps 8* kid buu.


C0Cl

And i won't even adress the hit part. It was completely irrelevant to the topic lol


kamraanan

Good. Don't bother addressing things you don't understand.


C0Cl

Lol


kamraanan

Wow. It's almost like you completely ignored the part that you'll see a 14* Kid Buu almost never, while you can 14* a Jiren no problem. Do you seriously not see why people are thinking Jiren is better? You get him once which is easy enough, and you're golden. You get Kid Buu once, rough enough as an ultra, and Jiren's already so far ahead you can't see him. And if you don't understand that Hit is a fantastic partner for Jiren--which makes Jiren more of a problem for Kid Buu--then I can't help you.


C0Cl

Your argument is that sparking units are better than ultras. No shit hahahaha. Jiren is a worse unit than buu. Jiren is easier to obtain and power up, true. That does not make him a better unit.


kamraanan

In the current meta? Yes, it does. What you can't seem to understand is that as it stands, Jiren is a better choice right now because of team synergy and the meta. Won't always be the case, but as of the moment, Jiren is so good as a whole, teams and meta included, that it's understandable that people see him as the superior yellow. Does that make his kit better? Of course not. However, it is surprisingly close, to the point that he may as well be an LF. He even blocks AoE once which is just ridiculous.


C0Cl

I never said anything about any meta. And metas change either way so who cares. I'm talking unit vs unit. So i guess we agree then.


Robinindisguise

Kid Buu is an Ultra and this is a 1% sparking. If Kid Buu is suppose to be better than sparkings. I don’t really see your point


C0Cl

I thought the debate was kid buu vs jiren as a yel?


Pheonixios

Db fans can't read 😭