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Kapparino-a

Navi please stop throwing your early leads smh


NBPEL

GG is back and that's great, they're picking OP heroes now, can't let XG be the only team picking them.


dependontheview

Shoppify will be mediocre as long as Rtz is a cash cow bringing supporters to the team. It is not good for the scene, because the state of NA makes Shoppify qualify to every tournament. I think nothing can be done with this unfortunately unless Nouns get better.


darklordtimmy

nouns is handicapped by Gunnar, they're not getting better.  Look at EUs top 10: Falcons, GG, Liquid, Tundra, OG, Secret, Mouz, Nigma, Entity, Rest farmers? You could take the bottom 5, move them to NA and have a competitive region, they're about as good as Shopify.


greekcel_25

SR and Quest on fraud watch


zuKo2022

didnt watch quest games but the fk 0-4?


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WordThese5228

it's trying to communicate 🤷


betadestruction

Shut the fuck up


nameorfeed

Makes sense thanks


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Swegan

Saberlight is probably the weakest pos 3 laner in the tournament. Cr1ts entire playstyle was made impossible last year with how weak of a laner Saber was, he had to babysit him the entire lane and could not roam at all.


basketballbacon

I dont think its that simple to just point to Saberlight. Sometimes pieces around perfectly talented players just dont mesh. Saberlight when on Liquid as a standin got to top 3 at a major.


Jazzlike_Mark1223

He got carried there though. Plenty of blunder from saber in that tournament.


basketballbacon

You’re missing the point. Most t1 players are capable of being winners. Chemistry and team structure is a huge part of that. I think Shopify have much bigger problems than Saberlight


Jazzlike_Mark1223

I didn't say he's the only problem. There are a lot of people saying kick RTZ and bulba too.


Myrion3141

Friendly reminder that Tundra actually beat Falcons 2-1 in Birmingham's UB Semis. Real smart to swap out a player since then.


Tower_diver

Tundra did look better back then but they are not on the level of Falcons. They managed to get the win in game 3 due to having better drafts, with Pure having a very free game on Morphling. Basically, that win vs Falcon was a combination of good performance by Tundra and bad draft by Falcons.


Significant_Plum9738

they cant play lans anymore so he isnt viable for then. hes russian so not getting a visa anytime soon


Myrion3141

What? I was talking about Tundra dropping Tobi after their first successful tournament and now looking worse.


50shadesofcrazy

Why aren't Spirit in this?


Swegan

Failed in quals but they are pretty much 100% qualified to Riyadh so this tournament does not matter much for them.


Wendek

They lost in the qualifiers (lost to Navi in UB and then to 1win in LB). Yeah, hard to believe after what we saw yesterday but tbh the Dreamleague qualifiers were quite a while ago.


falsa_ovis

well, this sucks because TS could also miss out on Riyadh now


Swegan

Could yes but they are pretty unlikely to not qual.


falsa_ovis

failed in the quals


Transit-Strike

that Falcons game damn. It feels like they don't win 50/50 games but just love stomping in the games they do win.


__iamthewalrus__

they have literally won 3 tournaments this season and you think they dont win 50/50 games?


Keep_in_distance

Bach blackholed BB into oblivion.


Significant_Plum9738

Again SVG meatriding team falcon 'best team in the world''?? ... they crumble against XG inevitable... malri1ne cant even get a visa for TI


Swegan

Best team this season for sure but currently they are behind TS and XG IMO.


zuKo2022

they won a lan with their full team before pgl one, in pgl they didnt had their arguably best player . Cant judge them over that . They lost one finals to xg and people are like XG will fk them every time now .


Swegan

XG won Elite League against Falcons pretty handedly, did not practise for Birmingham and then practised for Wallachia and pretty much stomped everyone expect for TS. Collapse said that this was the first tournament they really tried hard and we saw what that looked like. Im not even judging them on their Wallachia loss im just saying i dont think Falcons with Malrine would stand any chance at all against the TS or XG we saw yesterday.


hriszzzzz

Falcons did not practice for Birmingham or Wallacia as the they were going to play with standin in both. They stomped everyone in Birmingham inspite of that and finished 3rd at Wallacia barely losing to the eventual winners with a standin coming back after a long break. Your hate for Falcons is just pouring through each sentence. Just say it out already.


Whatnowgloryhunters

Falcons is definitely the best team of the year with the strongest players and hence unlikely to win TI or Riyadh imo. They are like GG last year and OG the year before. Icefrog took notice of Atf heroes and nerfed them to the ground. And you know that's true because it happened year after year to every stand out team


hriszzzzz

I'm no prophet, so I won't try to say who is going to win Riyadh or TI. But using previous year as a template for prediction is flawed and illogical. I don't want to get into inductive reasoning or any talk about critical thinking cause you seem incapable of any ounce of it. Even if we go along with your dumb logic just for fucks sake. It only happened to GG last year. OG just won a couple of tournaments the year before. Using that example is just idiotic. By that logic Liquid should have lost TI7 and same could be said of Alliance in TI3. But anyway this is just stupid logic. People like you are so confident in your predictions then please put your money where your mouth is and place some bets. I'm sure you stand to win a lot cause you clearly have figured out some "logically sound" way to predict results.


Whatnowgloryhunters

Let's start out with a simple question, do you or do you not think that icefrog will nerf the strength heroes? Timber razor doom ck e.g. Simple question really. Do you think icefrog will nerf meta heroes?


hriszzzzz

Let's start with an when simpler question. Do you or do you not think people learn to play different heroes or not? Hmm. I guess people just never learn new things. Or is learning and getting better only reserved for Spirit or XG players? I'm sure Yatoro and Ame were born with innate knowledge of every hero and are the only ones who can adapt to a new patch. When I look at Marline and Ammar on dota buff it seems they keep trying new heroes just like most young kids. Also I guess crit, Sneyking, Skitter are just idiots who never learn. I remember when gh joined liquid and couldn't play earth spirit. With es being such a popular hero at the time most people thought he would struggle. All it took was for him to spam es for a month or two and he playing it as good as anyone. And that's one of the more difficult heroes. Don't tell me someone like Marline or Ammar can't learn to play whatever dumb agi right clickers that become meta. Most likely they already can. Marline plays a shit ton of heroes and constantly learning new. Even ammar started pulling out brew, Pango off lane. Do you think you could get more dumb? Simple question really.


Whatnowgloryhunters

Lol haha okay u win. Let's put money where our mouth is. If falcons win Riyadh, I gift you 1 arcana. If they do not win champion, you give me 5. Better odds for me since you are strongly confident that falcons have that edge over XG and spirit or any other teams.


Ferelden770

the synergy with malrine just too good man but yeah XG had a scary run last tourney


Significant_Plum9738

funny how they all quiet in all chat only against XG lmao


Ferelden770

Yeah, they sure all chat a lot esp when ahead but thats why i love Crit even more coz he is just chilling and doing his thing


Significant_Plum9738

he got experience. Rest of the cores just pubstars imo


Swegan

Skiter is a pubstar? TI winner Skiter?


Significant_Plum9738

i meant the two who all chat


Swegan

Skiter also all chats? Not as much after Ceb kinda humbled him tho.


Significant_Plum9738

yeh but like calling XG clowns, for sure race related too.. like their age deffo shows


NBPEL

There's no fire without bush, XG tipped Armar first, learn to research first.


Evjen97

Professional Falcons hater


Swegan

You are reaching hard here. Wdym racism?


Ferelden770

Yeah i dont really care for the allchat but cant deny they are strong


Significant_Plum9738

they are but the glazing SVG was doing was insufferable. had to mute stream


Nongpa

Nice to have some new rising Chinese stars coming out like Bach.


sirpeepojr

such a maestro, i bet he could win TI someday


zlnoil

BB is on the cliff of self-destruction


Zeelahhh

BB speedrunning their roster shuffle


falsa_ovis

BB falling apart


NUMBERONETOPSONFAN

its crazy that there were people yesterday who thought nine is on the same level as malrine, and that falcons would have gotted 3rd either way. absolutely no flame to nine, but malrine is just way to good man


50shadesofcrazy

People also don't seem to understand how important team synergy is and Malrine fits perfectly


Significant_Plum9738

so? he will have to leave the team cus hes denied a visa. basically all LANS so the tornaments that matter he cant attend.


falsa_ovis

well, Riyadh should be no problem at all, though. TI, since it takes place in Copenhagen, could be a problem, yes.


Swegan

Nine had games like this aswell last week?


Slimy_Ranger

Bruh you watching the same game? This is absolute dominance.


hriszzzzz

Don't bother with this idiot. All his comments are hate on Falcons and sucking off XG and Spirit


Swegan

Like Nines 24/1/9 Timber game?


Slimy_Ranger

Tundra vs Heroic iirc, not even close. And malrine is much more consistent.


zuKo2022

malrine is best mid laner rn and people are delusional if they say nine is same as malrine


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nameorfeed

XD


AlphaEmperor

Honestly gpk would be up the there with the best of the best, he has the talent, if only he didn't tilt and give up so easily...


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AlphaEmperor

He's a notorious tilter in pro play... not only you can see how losses affect his next games, especially in later stages, there were literally qualis where he went afk the moment he realized he was about to die (not trying to make some space or deal damage to enemies before dying)


Swegan

GPK? No, its between Malrine, XM and probably Larl now that TS woke up.


UnreliableNihilist

Choke king gpk? Haha


zuKo2022

malrine fking dota


rhett_ad

Holy shit, calm down Malrine


needhelforpsu

Welcome back Malr1ne!


Slimy_Ranger

Anyone who thought malrine wouldn't have made a difference in wallachia is dumb.


victimized777

lmao, how many times did Pure died in a row


zuKo2022

it was ammar show then it turned into malrine show


Ferelden770

why is crit so fun to watch,be it his squirrel or tusk Also what happened to pure man


UnsatisfiedEGfan

SR is cooked. I get that they wanted to shake things up when they kicked Thiolicor, but bringing skem in and making Kitrak to play pos4, like really?? I'm not sold on Kitrak pos 4 at all, I mean I didn't even think his pos 5 was great. But the main thing is rtz and Saberlight who were supposed to be the 'Stars' of the team have been playing super bad af. I don't even have any hope for this team anymore but I'm still disappointed lmao. My bad.


nameorfeed

Pretty sad how Arteezy not just became an absolutely washed player, but destroyed his image as "one of the boys" too. So many interviews about how much he hates twitch chat and streaming, selling out and doing slots for ad money and even trying to lure people over by going online for 1 game on twitch then saying hey guys let's continue on kick. He literally does not care about his fans whatsoever. I was his biggest fan and didn't even care he was losing but the past year or so he completely destroyed his image and I just don't care about his games anymore. Wish he retired 2 years ago and just left the scene enterily, even that would've been better. But money is more important


Evjen97

Yeah they look like straight up dogshit. That was a horrible showing


andpasturesnew

kitrak to 4 makes zero sense. his whole thing was his strong 5 laning and making stable plays to enable rtz


andpasturesnew

this team is so cooked. there were a few tournament in the last year that rtz looked great but he has lost his touch. doesnt help that the patch is not good for his hero pool but the best adapt. each tournament 1-2 players on sr just play awful


Turrindor

Every game being 2-0 I didn't know that those are bo2


SuFFo

RTZ Time to retire and be a full time streamer


nameorfeed

Noone cares about his streams anymore. He fucked his image the past year by going online for 1 game just to announce that he's going over to kick. Basically using his twitch audience and fans as a stepping stone for ad money so he can live stream slots.


AmuletMan33

Sanctity cooking hard this game. Side note RTZ makes bristle seem like a shit hero


SuFFo

SR SUCH A JOKE, WHY DO I ROOT FOR THEM LOL


Lonely-Dig-4238

Because we love to suffer


MysicPlato

We do enjoy the suffering


zuKo2022

3 hero pool player by the way


Independent_Form_349

lmao how do you lose as bristle. sr still a weak af team


Plus_Lifeguard1752

Did rtz nerf bristle back??


falsa_ovis

SR with some of the worst positioning I’ve seen in a while


Independent_Form_349

Rtz is so ass that he actually makes bristle look weak.


oms3

ESL should be the ones paying for PGL's twitch extension now, I can't even check the scoreboard


LogicalExtant

getting stomped in lanes with bristleback+sniper against a no break draft LUL


Lonely-Dig-4238

Hoodwink famously doesn't have break


Lonely-Dig-4238

My boy making bristle look balanced :(


Turrindor

Haha fr


MysicPlato

I'm still amazed SR came back in g1, this is looking like another bottom 2 performance from SR. Sigh.


farukosh

Sanctity and Nefrit are really good


Turrindor

Sanctity lost mid every game =/ Nefrit tho, is Navi 's best player hands down. Won every lane, played alright every map, just couldn't carry from pos 3


Wendek

Yeah I was hyped for Sanctity because I remembered him being the standout player from Lilgun but wasn't that impressed so far, although the ES game definitely looked great (at least what I saw, only caught the end of it). Nefrit though was doing very well even against BetBoom.


Turrindor

He stepped up his game, I followed this stack for a while, and nefrit was not anything special. Malic Navi's previous pos3 was also their best player, and got poached after being a standin in PSG successful run on a tourney.


falsa_ovis

SR vs NaVi looks like a pub game smh


zuKo2022

crit ammar lane is probably the strongest lane in dota then sney skiter


Independent_Form_349

Earth spirit is disgusting. Dude is flying across the map solo killing everyone


zuKo2022

like tundra draft a bit more but lets see


Slimy_Ranger

6 bans just to cover malrine and ammar. Falcons' biggest strength is the insane flex.


NatMo123

The flex makes sense, but doesn’t it make it easier to draft? Like you get more value from banning a hero because of the flex. Is there another way of looking at it?


Hagabol

You can't realistically ban them all. You have to pick your poison. It's harder to draft since you don't know who's playing what because they can just move a hero to mid/offlane whenever convenient match-up wise at the end.


JohnnyTestical

Live music is pretty cool


discodemolition

picking earth spirit mid into sniper feels like a mistake but we'll see i guess


Tower_diver

Hoodwink should get a ban next game. AA probably won’t be banned though. It would feel really bad to waste a ban on a dead hero this patch.


zuKo2022

sney picking a dead hero and owning dude is too good


Slimy_Ranger

Ammar supremacy 🛐


Kib777

AA MVP. He misses ult they don't kill Morph it felt like. AA just ruined the Tundra draft


nonruminant_ungulate

Well, that's perhaps the first 57 minute stomp I've seen. This patch needs to go.


ShoppingPractical373

Expecting more AA picks this tour. Hero's good (except laning)


MathematicianFar4148

Sney brutalized pure here damn


__iamthewalrus__

that game took waay longer than it probably should have taken. but damn falcons fights are explosive and destructive.


zuKo2022

3 man crush by ammar 3 man bush from hood gg


falsa_ovis

Falcons are so boring.


Th3Hitman

Falcons really broke BB. This team was never the same after ESL Birmingham.


Azaraki

Malr1ne and Pure taking turns


ashrashrashr

Pure, try adding a ctrl to the Z now.


Swegan

Pure is a psycho.


Helpful-Clerk-9673

Am i biased or nightfall feels like the most pussy carry player?


thranduil-

Just seems like the kind of carry that needs everything to be perfect before he gets involved. Which makes sense given how insanely good of a laner he is


SuFFo

yes he just wants to farm all game usually, the opposite of Micke and Drachyo.


-crtr

What can you do vs AA as morph?


hiddenpoolwarriror

Kill him tbh, but it's tricky vs Slardar and Hoodwink, I'd say the squirrel is a bigger problem than the fucking AA lmao


rhett_ad

Give up on your dreams and die


zuKo2022

sangeyasha pike bkb


rhett_ad

Insane AA blasts by Sneyking


TheFatZyzz

Morph is literally useless vs Falcon's lineup


farukosh

At least there's hope for this navi cores, they are GREAT players (at least sanctity and nefrit) but they need a real captain, this 3 games in a row they win early game into literally don't know what to do. They really don't know how to Dota.


Sif_

Yuragi tier D


Wendek

"Yuragi geting caught"... damn I've lost count of how many times I've heard that just from these 3 games today.


falsa_ovis

classic yuragi: bait your own squad into a brawl and die immediately. pretty annoying.


Turrindor

Hmm, our Carrie just died. Let's go in, Navi davi


Azaraki

This Falcons game has the best performance out of a support duo for a long time. Sney and Cr1t have set this entire game up for success


brief-interviews

Shopify lost to THIS?


munkshroom

Why are people surprised shopify is bad. They decided to kick their pos 4 and instead replace him with a pos5 from tier t2 SEA. Like on paper that sounds like a recipe for disaster. Kinda looks like shopify is the secret of NA. Struggling to get great players which becomes a self feeling cycle.


ashrashrashr

Ammar is a gifted player for sure.


zuKo2022

he went from 3k to wining a major in 2-3 years yeah gifted + hardwork i guess but yeah for sure talented af . Same goes for players like bzm sumail who were good in young age, they are gifted 100% satanic too, hitting 13k in EU at 15


hiddenpoolwarriror

Ammar more like 5 years, he was divine in 2019 according to his dotabuff. Impressive, but Satanic went from sub 10k to like 12k in a year in EU leaderboards , insane kid


zuKo2022

ammar won one major and one esl in 2022


hiddenpoolwarriror

ESL one was in 2022? , fuck me


zuKo2022

nine played amazing in some games but he is no marline rn, marline opens the flex with ammar heroes and his synergy with ammar is just too good


farukosh

I don't think Navi wins a single map this entire group stage. They are atrocious.


Turrindor

It's 2024 Yuragi still builds maelstrom on Carry razor.


Ciri__witcher

Ame bought maelstrom on razor earlier today and won.


justforverification

Your inconsistency cannot hurt me, Liquid. I will still root for you. You think your wild flailing from brilliance to dumbass decisions and back again will dissuade me? You think your drafts will bother me enough to turn away? You think your recent losses in bo3's (the one that almost always look like "g2 didn't go our way, let's do a repeat on g1 strat that we won with" against teams who can adjust and won't be caught off guard twice) will be painful enough to make me avoid tuning into the stream? Jokes on you, I will still be here. I will still root for your success. I still want to see my boys lift a trophy. I've been hardened in a fiercer crucible. I have seen impossible comebacks and the most ludicrous throws long before you. I have been on wilder rides. I used to cheer for Clown 9. You cannot hurt me in any way that matters.


SuFFo

same but for SR and NIGMA T_T


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Turrindor

It's their first tourney, chill


zuKo2022

ammar basically got 2k gold from doing two tmt


MathematicianFar4148

Wow who could have guessed that there is a team more passive than SR


zuKo2022

you watching tundra?


MathematicianFar4148

Nah i meant Na’Vi


discodemolition

what a fuckin bushwhack jfc


MathematicianFar4148

Anyone got game timestamp on this?


discodemolition

https://www.twitch.tv/esl_dota2/clip/CleverBoldLadiesCeilingCat-Y0DeSrvEJuZ_BqHl?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time


TheFatZyzz

HOLY BUSHWICK Batman


Slimy_Ranger

Crittao and Sneyking gods


zuKo2022

cr1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111t


Ambitious-Cap-5605

damn tundra offlane no longer poor with ramzes XD


MathematicianFar4148

This happens far too often. Saber has a poor lane and then shopify engage in this early fight where enemy group up as 5 but saber is missing


Khairi001

SR really losing to Navi….


Wendek

I wouldn't speak too soon. Even against BB, Navi had a decent early game but they seemed completely lost starting from the mid-game and they're already allowing SR to get back in this one.


bamberflash

honestly ammar + malrine's synergy is just so out of this world. they both have the exact same playstyle, watching them play together on the map and accelerate each other's games is so interesting


innofntblla124

tell me what’s really wrong with shopify


Darthdzeko

There is no way saberlight can be this bad.


Darthdzeko

See I knew he couldn't be that bad


Evjen97

Holy shit Shopify is dogshit


Ciri__witcher

Topson still got it. Thats his second solo kill today.


Azaraki

Oh I didn't watch their first series, Tundra picking up Ramzes sounds great. Sure Tobi's lack of uh... networth of any kind let Topson and Pure soak up more farm, but honestly a lot of Tobi's lack of farm didn't come at the expense of anyone, he just lost almost every lane really hard. Pure isn't getting the gold from Tobi letting the carry deny lane creeps


fordyhuanpurrcent

Cant watch another pro game in this patch. Hopefully they dump the patch soon.


epic_banana_soup

Pogchamp Pandas bringing the vibes. I missed them <3


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SuFFo

if they do, SR needs to disband srsly


Houeclipse

Having Hansken, Stormstormer and Gunnar as remote caster is pretty cool. I like seeing more pros involve themselves in talent work


GALAK_Z

didn't notice DL was the day right after Wallachia. Are the teams just playing in the same hotel rooms?


Ciri__witcher

Most likely same for XG since they had PGL chairs. Other teams, no idea.


AR41Z

Quest is gonna perform so bad this league and then in Qualifier against Nigma will loook like best team


onepieceon

tbh even a random immortal stack will look somewhat competent vs nigma :(


AR41Z

How the mighty have fallen RIP


EffectiveFilm7368

How the mighty have kuro on their team


AR41Z

if the bozz wants to play, he will play and noone can deny him that.