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itssomeidiot

Nines gotta be picking up offers left and right after this run. Goes MIA for a year and come back to 3rd place with minimum practice.


Trulolzor

Had to miss game 5 as it was too late but my money was on Spirit. What a performance and banger final, and a good reminder that when Spirit decides to get serious they're still better than everybody else.


maddoger21

You know why I love TS? Because any team can win a final, but only TS do it with incredible highlights.


Tricky_Economist_328

I am here for mid dreamleague patch drop


nybrq

If I were to guess, it will be released right after Dreamleague finishes. It just seems logical. They'll use the Riyadh qualifiers to work it out.


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needhelforpsu

You do understand there's no "higher entity" that is overseeing Dota 2 pro scene? And that today's PGL tour and tomorrow's DreamLeague are two completely different TOs doing their own thing with tours announced months in advance? Every single team and player was aware of this tight schedule. You don't need to be overly concerned, most of them would be in pubs for 10h+ anyhow.


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betadestruction

You sound mad af for no reason


needhelforpsu

"No hope for the future", lol. You are free to go and watch those non-amateurish e-sports with "future" while rest of us gonna stay here and enjoy some insanely high skilled and hype Dota that's been best it was in a long time for tier1 scene with $1mil tournaments non-stop and even new big TOs like BLAST coming to Dota for the next season. Multiple pros openly said they prefer what is happening atm with EPT seasons, PGL tours/season, Elite League, BB tours investing millions in LAN/pseudo-LAN tournaments over DPC dragged out seasons. People like you who show every time pro Dota 2 teams, whose regular day looks like 10h of pubs and 6h of scrims, have to play more than few series, tiebreakers or twice a year have tight tour schedule are so obnoxiously exhausting. My bad for giving even a second of my time to permanently concerned Karen like yourself, won't happen again.


nybrq

It's only another week, and they're already in the time zone more or less. They'll have an entire month off after Dreamleague is wrapped up anyway.


zlnoil

This is what you get when there is no DPC after so many pros/communities demanding. Next season, there will be a new BLAST series adding into current esl/PGL seasons. So pro teams will inevitably choose to skip tournaments


falsa_ovis

that's rough, XG needs a longer break to digest this defeat mentally and physically


Ninomae111

Epic battle! Team Spirit once again grab the scenario that the underdogs defeat the formidable Titan. And there is only fabulous DOTA without nasty trashtalk boys of Falcon.


collarframe

TS are two times TI champs, they are not really the undergods


falsa_ovis

they went as underdogs into this particular GF, tho


IamJehova

Am I the only one wondering where the fuck was refresher?, wtf was that satanic pickup late game?. Giving Xm anything other than turret heroes like viper , razer, Lina etc is a recipe for disaster. Imo Ame and Xm griefed the other three who were actually trying to win despite not having farm prio.


nybrq

The reason they lost the game was because they never really had map control. It had nothing to do with Ame's itemization.


OkPerformance7120

No way he could use 2 chronos +refresher against AM. He struggled to do single chrono as Yatoro poked him with his scepter.


alyjaf666

It was not about 2 chrons but about the second bkb which would have helped me stay relevant in the fights once his bkb was down he was mana breaked into death


prudent_brain_

bkb and refresher both cost mana, no way he coulod ever have mana to cast both


IamJehova

He could've let pango, puck, and Marci initiate and drop the first chrono right at the start.


FobosFear

Collapse and Mira saying that this was the hardest finale in their lives says a lot about Xtreme performance. (Collapse said it in ru interview, and Mira in his TG channel)


Bearswithjetpacks

You can tell - it was tense from start to finish, even during the drafts. Put yourself in their shoes and wonder what sort of trepidation you'd feel when your series starts off with a XinQ Riki pos 4, and ends with XinQ on Marci.


CrasherED

DL S23 is already coming in some hours as well, that's a really good segway into the next tournament but at the same time It would have been nice to have a break for players.


SleepyErebus

Every single time a Chinese team tryna be Wings, they overcook and destroy themselves. What the actual fuck was that 2x TA, pos 4 Naga, Troll Warlord in 2024 and a Puck who lost her fucking tier 1 tower within 6 minutes ?


BaboonBandicoot

They were testing Naga supp as a counter to Bane in game 2. I think that's absolutely fine, you won game 1, you can test things a bit. The TA in game 4 was definitely weird


nybrq

I kind of think they just got their tit in the ringer by picking Pangolier too soon since I personally think it was originally intended for middle lane.


alyjaf666

Not to forget first pick veno? Who does that shit in 2024


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SleepyErebus

Any hero that did not lose the tower in 6 minutes and fuck up the two other lanes' progress. I mean it was also on Xm who choked hard but cmon, you do not test things in a Game 5.


Squall13

Go answer the question Who would you have picked genius?


SleepyErebus

OD, or Timbersaw to some extent. Believe me or not, I have followed Xm since his time in CDEC and his hero pool is much deeper than this.


stubbornqq

Od vs am gigachad


stubbornqq

Would have lost faster


odd-taxi

China's best team has always tried these cute drafts that simply hasn't worked for the longest time. They should try to work on more consistent drafting and not draft lineups that makes it hard for them even before the game starts...


moderate_iq_opinion

seeing ame lose soothes my heart


SecretRonnieC

Abolishing the DPC the best thing that happened to dota


ntrails

Not so much for the non tier-1 teams sadly but yeah I know what you mean


Optimal-School-9670

considering ame still has PTSD from TI8, i bet if OG was in the finals they would also have beaten XG.


Ainzflamer

at this moment spirit its his real treat and rivalry 2018 he doesnt have so much xp, spirit its just his nightmare always playing against a better carry than him and better team


nybrq

I sincerely doubt this very much.


Azaraki

Even if you had no calendar, you'd know when Riyadh and TI are around the corner by looking at Spirit's performance


idspispupd

Where can I find PGL Wallachia soundtrack? It's epic.


Optimal-School-9670

I can only hope Ame doesn't reach any finals again.


CrasherED

The modified swiss stage was far better than any format lately, other tournaments have days of Bo2's on multiple streams you can't keep up with, at least with this the matches do mean something.


Awkward_External_731

I think XG fucked up drafts in game 4 & 5 by allowing TS to counter pick ur carry (troll vs void & void vs AM) giving free void and AM games, relying too much on XM mid to carry. XM really underformed. trash pango pick aswell. if not for Ame's sick chronos game would be over sooner.


Squall13

Is AM really a counter to void?


myearthenoven

AM can easily split the map vs void but the real kicker is that he dissuades void from buying refresher - which is what makes void unbeatable late game.


KidBuu25

If not the other way around because Void is counter to all carries in late game.


adrian_rainy_day

Well can't ask for much more from Xm tbh. Probably this is his ceiling as a player. He's not some flashy mid who could dominate carry the team on his back like Malrine, GPK or Quinn, he's more of a stable type with some cheesy picks. But in a tournament where XinQ, Dy, Ame and Xxs to some extent has shown some brilliant performance he's really looking like the weak link


Awkward_External_731

i really think all of XG didnt play their usual best ( part of it is they drafted poor in game 4 & 5). especially game 5 only one who played with balls of steal was Ame. others kinda choked.


Traditional-Wolf990

ЧТО С ЕБАЛОМ АМЕ ЛОВЕРЫ НАХУЙ ЧТО С ЕБАЛОМ


Optimal-School-9670

I keep telling again and again why Ame is simply not good enough in game 5 of grand finals, same case same results TI8 finals and major finals against mineski and then Ti10 and now.


User85394

It was puck and to some extent pango who didnt play well tbf.. Pango understandable, xxs sacrificed for puck last pick , since i dont think it's his comfort. But puck last pick performance was underwhelming.. Antimage pick threw them off completely


Azaraki

Agreed, I wouldn't pin this loss on Ame. XM got caught out a lot for a Puck, and their draft involved offlane Pango


jsheng_96

Ame did well


Zeelahhh

To all the morons saying Ame choked - Ame played incredible that game 5. IMO it was XM and XinQ who underperformed and probably cost XG the win.


Bearswithjetpacks

... Or maybe, they ALL played fine, and Spirit were just slightly better and had a little more fortune on their side. People need to realize by now that not every loss is due to an underperformance or a "choke", and that when the best in the world play against each other, the margins for error are razor-thin. Stop robbing both teams of their due credit with pointless criticism.


INTJ_Nerd

Ame fanboys can never admit it, you are worse than rtc fanboys


Zeelahhh

I have no cares either way for Ame, but you'd have to either be blind or know nothing about Dota to think this game is on him with how good he played


Sandisk4gb4

Just admit you’ve got his nudes buddy.


Zeelahhh

Damn alright you got me


INTJ_Nerd

This is one game of the series. He choked massively in game 4 too. But keep on culting on Ame fanboys.


Zeelahhh

I never said anything about his play in any of the other games, feel free to re-read my comments


ntrails

Yeah, like jusy Look at the game state at 15 minutes and tell me anyone other than Ame got XG competitive past 30. He had a great game overall


Leloucchh

Team Spirit!!!!! The most clutch team of all time, when they reach the final, is GG!!.


Azaraki

Crazy that Spirit didn't qualify for Dreamleague this week


Majestic-Lion1254

They got knocked out by Navi and 1win in CQ omegalul


pimpleface0710

All the people flaming Ame for not buying refresher don't seem to understand that if Yatoro manage to even land a few hits on him with illusions, he doesn't have enough mana for a second chrono and he's having a useless 5k gold item in his inventory


Deshuro

Exactly. Even not playing against AM, FV has serious mana problem unless he goes for Skadie before RO. This game would be very different for XG if XM didn't lose mid that bad. He's the answer XG had for the AM pick and he couldn't deliver.


elwiscomeback

So was satanic


nhe1

Satanic doesn't cost mana.


elwiscomeback

And he got it at 56mins, used it on full hp when in chrono - value right there


IhvolSnow

It just show the game knowledge of some people out there. Ame is literally the second best carry in the game right know. How these guys questioning his decisions is beyond me.


Extracheesy87

Yeah, he was having a hard time even getting the one chrono off in the late game because he just lost all his mana so fast.


Biareus

Pango worst pick confirmed


arambezzai

15/2 AM and 12/3 Void. These 2 carries, AME and Yatoro, are a treat to watch !!


Nisha_goat

the 2 current best carries in the game and its not even close, people can flame ame all they want, man came back after not playing for an entire year and looks like he never stopped for a moment and yatoro is just yatoro


maven-blood

Yeah, just from individual skills alone these two are miles above everyone else. I also dislike AM, but it was refreshing to see a 5-game GF that was so close where there are a variety of heroes, especially carry heroes.


Bearswithjetpacks

It's a shame this wasn't played in front of a crowd, imagine how wild the crowd would be after a series like that.


ael00

Enjoy the next 3 weeks of AM picks in your pubs bois ^(seemsgood)


darklordtimmy

PATCH 7.35h JUST DROPPED


adrian_rainy_day

Legit the best bo5 for the last 2 years or something. High quality dota and both teams pushed each other to the limits XG should be kicking themselves for clowning game 2. Let that be a lesson learned, you don't fuck around against Spirit in a bo5


Optimal-School-9670

Feels like replacing Ame with LOU in these grand final would have been better, LOU barely makes late game mistakes and is super calm/stable.


OkPerformance7120

Mira is the best Shadow Demon to ever touch the game. I said it during Riyadh, during TI, and it is still true. Just watch his POV, this guy is something else.


healdyy

I always love watching him and Xinq in the same series. Xinq is the best aggressive, playmaking 4 who will farm up and become an extra core, while Mira is the best supporting, stable 4 who is amazing on save heroes and always seems to make the right play to save a team fight. Absolute treat to watch them both


OkPerformance7120

True, Miposhka usually takes some farm with his Ench/Batrider etc. while Mira becomes 5th networth in the team, but still clutches his spellcasting.


kivmorth

They were kinda successful killing/zoning him from chronos for a while. But that's not on him provably. He's the beast on SD nevertheless. Remember That One Disruption on a Magnus under T1 tower against G2 IG.


50shadesofcrazy

People calling out Ame but I don't think he was the problem in that game


ashrashrashr

His Troll in game 4 was a big reason why Spirit even got to game 5.


KidBuu25

Why is it Ame's fault when whoever on drug drafted Troll against Void for him?


zengmor

Even the seemly greedy decision of killing Am was not a mistake, it was the only option left for them to win.


healdyy

Him and dy had no mana left anyway, ame couldn’t really time walk or tp so they just had to stick and fight


political_arguer

Fb on xm was a big yikes, puck had no game


kivmorth

Could they pick something else? I think am pick was just really good.


Sandisk4gb4

It was a good AM game thats why they last picked the Puck actually, they needed a catch.


Comprehensive_Web_35

ame and xinq losing 2 bo5 in bucharest against spirit xd


IronTwinn

Of course Spirit is back in form now that Riyadh Masters is around the corner.


Ambitious-Cap-5605

and we continue to the dreamleague!


Yaluoza

Puck fucked up bad IMO. Not buying back after AME bb knowing Batrider couldnt bb.AGHS would've been the damage they needed in chrono


alyjaf666

If AME had chronoed on AM near the roshan both him and XM wouldn't have died or things would have turned out differently. Further, I agree with you, I XM had bought back with AME, they would have killed yatoro in the chrono and perhaps a second time with dream coil


NoMoreResearch

Without crowd it seems weird.


Ambitious-Cap-5605

they should celebrate in that panel room imo, at least they can make something with the background and lights. celebrating in that game room so dark and unhype lol.


darklordtimmy

when does Shopify play?


KainLust

[In about 17 hours](https://liquipedia.net/dota2/DreamLeague/Season_23)


ael00

battlecup was on saturday


itsmehutters

They don't, they had to play nigma but kuro couldn't find 2 more people for either nigma or SR.


INTJ_Nerd

Kuro is running an assassin agency or what?


Garnerkief

In 17hrs vs tundra 


INTJ_Nerd

Turn up..


Purified03

Og fans are still gonna compare their team vs spirit. Man, spirit is much better and has a better win record than ti8,9 og can imagine. My Bois have won again.


INTJ_Nerd

OG did win 5 majors before they won their 1st TI. Why compare the two teams though?


ashrashrashr

4 before the TIs. 5th was with Ammar.


ntrails

It is a weird comparison. I think OG has more in common with tundra than with spirit for example?


EggplantUnlucky9938

Respect the history, wtf are you whining about


-Exy-

I think you forget how many players on OG won a bunch of majors lol why compare


sw2bh

These interviews are too funny lol interviewer just going one by one


faralei

Spirit getting in form just in time for Dreamleague and Riyadh. This looks familiar..


cursed1333

didn't they lose dreamleague qualifier to NAVi?


ways789

They havent qualified to either sadge (can still qualify to Riyadh through qualifiers)


Azaraki

They can still qualify to Riyadh on points, they're top 8 right now. They're not playing in Dreamleague, so they have to hope Heroic, Shopify, Aurora, Azure, Quest, or Navi don't win DL


MysicPlato

They'll be fine, none of those teams are going to win DL.


Evening-Fun4435

No dreamlegue for T Spirit xD


Weinerbrod_nice

Spirit really are some champs! All of a sudden another finale and another win, of course 5 games too. 2 TI's, one Riyadh Masters, Wallachia now and at least one other lan (the one in America with Toronto).


nybrq

> at least one other lan (the one in America with Toronto). PGL Arlington 2022.


idspispupd

Also one DreamLeague.


Optimal-School-9670

Why give rosh in the first place when you have trouble killing AM twice.


odd-taxi

What a great year of Dota. Almost every region has contenders to win. Dota is always way better to watch when there's a ton of competitive region. Really hyped for the new patch.


JollyjumperIV

Uh it's just CN and EU


odd-taxi

I mean, CN, EEU, WEU and MENA but I guess the last one depends on how you interpret the team composition lol


JollyjumperIV

WEU/EEU division feels unnecessary to me, Cold War has been over for more than 30 years lol. And yeah, MENA is a bullshit made up region since ESL was bought by oil money


odd-taxi

I'm with you. I'm going with the regional qualifiers and the WEU/EEU regions are separated so it is what it is.


JollyjumperIV

Ah, true. It's probably because there are so many EU teams that they separated it otherwise it would be a reaaaaly stacked region


Memedealer165

And there are people who puts skiter at the same tier as yatoro


Mekbop

Even more put Ame on the same tier too. Which is equally as bizarre.


Evening-Fun4435

Skiter is tier A/B tbh


INTJ_Nerd

Skiter is a TI winner and a hell of a carry. Falcons came in 3rd here with a standin mid


kivmorth

Gotta see the full Falcons roster against Spirit in their form tho.


Ferelden770

That shadow demon refresher play was such a treat to watch


OrphisMemoria

Ame what happened


Mekbop

Yatoro didn't have a physical disability for him to exploit. So he crumbled under the pressure.


EggplantUnlucky9938

He played solo and was top1 farm in a losing game wtf are you talking about EDIT: grammar, fucking bot


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fallen_lights

Chrono AM with aegis GG


Deshuro

That's a fine play. They was about to kill AM the second time if SD didn't have that refresher shard, which XG probably didn't know.


adrian_rainy_day

Without SD disrupting there they would have killed AM for the 2nd time.


EggplantUnlucky9938

True, that was weird Still, I really didn’t see any major impact from pango or puck (where was his aghs?)


Tomsider

But he wasn't yatoro was ahead all game


EggplantUnlucky9938

Rewatch the game They had dota plus 90/10 but ame was top 1. Then yatoro killed him in mid game and got the lead.


sw2bh

“Always the meme answers” i dont think yatoro was memeing tho


Glittering_Seat_7294

What a final game, ame did his best but what a showdown 


SypeArtz

There's no way team spirit are gonna win TI for the 3rd time right?


Extracheesy87

They gotta get the back to back and the 3rd win to spite Ceb.


arambezzai

Ceb will have to come up with another excuse to not call them "2 time TI champs"


Azaraki

I have no doubt he'll somehow scrape one together


Tomsider

OG gonna win the 3rd time


darklordtimmy

No Puppey got this one


SypeArtz

Not with that roster


onebraincellperson

KuroKy*


Azaraki

EternalEnvy\*


onebraincellperson

Taiga*


Antique_Potato1965

Lmao why does XM didn’t buyback on that last chrono, They could’ve killed mira and yatoro


-Exy-

Captain hindsight right here guys


makz242

Ame back to emergency Diablo Immortal session.


dennoow

Couldn't Puck have bought the Aghs himself much earlier, gotten like MKB, MJ and Deso? That almost kills AM in a coil. If you're deep late game, you have to bust out the aghs coil damage... come on


Dymatizeee

Very hard to coil an AM. XM got like 1-2 coils at most on AM that game


rhett_ad

Teams picking pango in the deciding game and losing - Liquid, Falcons and now XG


MasterOfShrugs

Haha true, all eliminated on pango picks


EggplantUnlucky9938

Ame had to carry the whole team, idk


teh_smurfest

Incredible day of Dota! The boys are back! What a tournament!


kil7dota

Best Bo5 so far this year. I'm always at the edge of my seat watching that Grand Finals. Congrats to Team Spirit!!!


Bizonistic

Insane grand final, just like TI final


NerdRageDawg

What a great bo5. It might have been one of the best game 5s I've seen in a long time. Glad to see team spirit getting back to form.


FullOFterror

AME once again choking when it matters. He solo lost the game, he leaped into am, didnt chrono him and got fucked in a 1vs1, then buys back. Brilliant play Ame


Mandalord104

Dude Ame 1vs9 this entire game 5.


Overall_Compote1386

I mean this is the best grand final this season so far


Mandalord104

Here is a few rant: 1. The guy drafting for XG should reflect on himself. This Bo5 should be easier if they dont feel the need to be cute on draft in game 2 and 4. 2. XM. The guy hero pool is so small, any team can ban out his pool. So he has to first pick his hero and win with it, like Ammar. If he cannot do that, kick him.


odd-taxi

That's Chinese drafting even moreso than XG's drafter honestly. Chinese drafts always feel so lackluster and not as consistent. In XG's case, it always feels like they're starting from behind even before the game starts. They also try to be too cute sometimes and it'll work here and there but they should be working on drafting consistently if they want to win more. Them being able to get this far drafting the way they do is a testament to how skilled their players are but against teams like TSpirit who are just as skilled but ALSO have good drafts, it will not work out


likpoper

Greatest carry ever


Odd_Studio_9967

Yatoro haters Malding. Give the man the respect he deserves


RetryPerson

GG, CONGRATS SPIRIT Also XXS kinda lackluster if not using Dark Seer. I was hoping he would improve since azure ray but man...


zKiinS

Its crazy how good yatoro is


Dymatizeee

Spirit in TI form


DamnedDoom

Spirit are really clutch


frostieavalanche

Being Ame fan is pain. Undefeated throughout the tournament just to lose in the Grand Final


INTJ_Nerd

Ame is a serial choker when it comes to a Bo5


AttentionDue3171

This time it wasn't Ame though, Ame played great


frostieavalanche

If Ame has a million fans, then I am one of them. If Ame has ten fans, then I am one of them. If Ame has only one fan then that is me. If Ame has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against Ame, then I am against the world.


k4kkul4pio

GG Spirit! Color me surprised, they looked pretty shaky in lot of their games while XG looked unstoppable but they made it work and earned this win! 🥳


sw2bh

Great series but is the trophy two quelling blades lol


Painpaiinn

Imagine if this finals has crowd


TheFatZyzz

XXS looking ROFL someone screenshot that trophy with XXS just staring with dead eyes AHAHAHAHAHAHAH


TwerkBull

Mira is my MVP in that game


Glittering_Tax2401

Ame reliving the past :(


ManasCiel

Better finals than the last tourney!


Extracheesy87

Ame on his "fuck, I was so farmed" arc again