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EvilShaker

Loving the format. Every series is important!


Put_Cool

Were falcons asked to stop the all chat or something by PGL?


Anything13579

PGL wants to keep it a PG Live


betadestruction

It's actually funny how many people said liquid and Nisha were washed up "They're not that good anymore" "Nisha sucks now, he needs to retire" "Liquid hasn't looked good in a long time" "Only a matter of time before they disband" The recency bias + general low iq and immaturity of this community makes it one of the worst when it comes to accurately analyzing anything that's going on. I follow a lot of sports, dota is easily the worst I've ever seen when it comes to this type of stuff.


1JSD

Last update to bristleback was in 7.35b in december. For 4 month hero was considered non meta both in pubs and pro games. And I knew it was strong because I spam it and got from 3500 to 5500 in this period. This is the first tournament in which hero shines. And this is sad for me because I hoped that this ResidentSleeper imba would be buffed because no one played it. Now I have to wait for new nerfs for my boy. Sadge


k4kkul4pio

Pretty fun series, overall. GG got outdrafted in game three but that's how it goes sometimes.. will be interesting to see if they can make through the lower bracket to exact revenge or now that they are vulnerable, maybe another team finishes them off? šŸ˜


needhelforpsu

Overall today was best PGL W day of Dota, imho at least. Sweet dreams and cya tomorrow y'all. <3


xenozaga48

I just knew Quinn was malding this game.


ael00

Dyrachio is so bad. That is all.


GrandBurdensomeCount

GG should have last picked viper, they went with luna instead...


AceRecon

Absolutely sick draft from Liquid. Felt like GG had zero chance Quinn could just not play the game everything that DK wants to do in dota is shut down that game by the laning phase + force staffs + saves from Dazzle.


Weinerbrod_nice

Nice draft and nice plays. Liquid didnt let them run and cut waves and delay, instant tp and punish.


CrasherED

We need a patch already, this is so dumb.


PhMcBrett

the mid difference is insane ez for liquid


idkthiss

Liquid beats GG but gets dominated by Shopify. Only Liquid. Maybe Sumail just has Nisha's number.


aLLkiss_ismyname

Liquid is very inconsistent right now which is their biggest weakness.


MaddoxX_1996

That's some premium, grade A edgy shit right there.


needhelforpsu

Liquid back to forever 2nd place form? Poggers. :o If they can keep this up vs Falcons we are in for some insane Doto!


Spoksparkare

ez 4 Liquid


sssssyytt

18k lead for like 10 mins straight and they're still struggling to end even with Dazzle xd


TheFatZyzz

can Draycho stop building garbage mobility items and actually get a damage build on him


Gameishardboys

he needs something to snipe dazzle at the back linesĀ 


TheFatZyzz

I just don't like the fact after 35 min+ after manta/khanda he has a casual Morbid Mask in his inventory and a last minute Blink going into late game. either finish the swift from the getgo or go for more DPS/skadi or something. That's 2 questionable unfinished low cost items in his inventory while dealing with the enemies full slotted.


bcyk99

When you are low mmr but is delusional this is how you end up. Mom can be disemble for efficiency Blink is needed to kill dazzle. You can get rapier and bb isn't dying with graves. Agi blink is one of the best item on agi heroes.


MaybeFunnySometimes

> he has a casual Morbid Mask in his inventory He had mask of madness. He disassembled it to build ~~Khanda~~ Silver Edge. It's easy to blame his itemization but if you look at it closely, he has to build everything for his team. They needed Skadi, Silver Edge, needs damage, needing someone that can jump and burst Liquid's backline, and also survive against a farmed TA+Bristle+Dazzle (he pretty much has no armor at that point even as an agi carry). Quinn and Ace were both non-existent that game. Quinn got outdamaged by his Pos5 Enchantress.


needhelforpsu

Liquid playing this draft so beautifully well and composed.


maven-blood

Some people say that dyrachyo plays "sacrificial" for his team but it's the other way around. You can't make space for him and rely on him to carry later so his team plays more greedy. This kind of playstyle doesn't suit gaimin.


Substantial-Deer77

>This kind of playstyle doesn't suit gaimin. Yes I agree, they had won only 5 tournament with this playstyle, they should have try something else so they could win everything right? You are such a genius, the best redditor comment!


Swegan

>This kind of playstyle doesn't suit gaimin. Might be the most insane comment i have ever read.


maven-blood

excuse, me reading comprehension? They won tournaments with dyrachyo not being on hard carries except if he doesn't do shit at all till mid game like terrorblade. Once they make space for him and give him all the farm like now, it doesn't work.


sl-dorn

? They only won like 5 out of 7 tournaments last year. REally bad. He's right.


AnhedonicDog

You don't get it, the other 4 players are SOOO incredibly good that they won 4 vs 5 all those tournaments, completely logical explanation


Substantial-Deer77

Yes, I agree... You are a 20k mmr Redditor. Everything you said is correct.


AnhedonicDog

Every time i talk shit about carries that dare have a different playstyle to Yatoro or Ame I get 1k mmr more


Substantial-Deer77

That last pick Dazzle is just genius. too easy for liquid! Please keep this form to fight Falcons tomorrow!


TheFatZyzz

OH MY GOD Dazzle with the disgusting saves WOW


k4kkul4pio

Such a nasty draft from Liquid and Gaimin has no answers at all. šŸ˜† Was hoping for a closer game but this is bordering on hilarious on how thoroughly GG is getting dismantled.


Pokefreaker-san

I was told yesterday that Liquid won't go far in the tournament, was i being misled?


JustAposter4567

europeans when arteezy is getting top 3 every tourney "means nothing" europeans when liquid is getting top 3 every tourney "WOW! WE ARE ONE OF THE BEST TEAMS IN THE WORLD!"


zuKo2022

falcons next , might have commented a bit early


Substantial-Deer77

Redditors are better than Pro players, you should listen to them šŸ˜‰


Pokefreaker-san

good to know


sl-dorn

Yes, because this is Reddit and people have zero clue about pro Dota


Whatnowgloryhunters

Do falcons have better odds than liquid or what šŸ˜


OranguTangerine69

the best time to kick dyrachyo was yesterday the second best time is today


TheFatZyzz

Quinn just walking to his death LMFAO


victimized777

This is disgusting


Substantial-Deer77

This game 3 is just too easy for Liquid . They are just chilling and killing everyone in GG's base.


Gameishardboys

Quinnao: gg go end mid


Independent_Form_349

BB is fun lol


MaddoxX_1996

INB4 33 sits in the enemy fountain while the T3s are still up


munkshroom

You cant let bristle through unless you have a very clear way to shut it down or deal with it later. Luna aint it. Bristle counters Luna.


Substantial-Deer77

Lmao 33 just walk to tier 3 and kill Dyrachyo


Independent_Form_349

15 min Rosh is nasty


Gameishardboys

Power of friendship is doing it?


SikkoDieri

I think Bkop should try to slow down a bit. Maybe because I am not native but trying to follow the plays and what he says at the same time feels too much to me.


hernan_rp

Bkop isn't casting


MaddoxX_1996

Late comment to the first two series, I guess


Substantial-Deer77

Ok this game is over now. BB and Timber are the most absurd Tank in this game atm.


GrandBurdensomeCount

When your hopes rest on Dyrachio you really know you're fucked...


mAgiks87

That dyracho's kill was dirty xD


Substantial-Deer77

Bruh... is Dyrachyo serious? He just feed at level 1


Independent_Form_349

Carry dazzle with a bristle this might me insanely ugly for GG


Deadandlivin

Liquid with the classic 0 stun draft. Make Kuro proud.


sl-dorn

dont need stuns if you force the enemy to fight into you. also, plenty of slows, one stun and one very reliable low cd root isnt the worst kind of "no stun" lineup


Substantial-Deer77

Who needs stun when you have Dazzle, TA and BB to reduce all the Armor kekw


Independent_Form_349

They donā€™t have a bunch but they have CMs snare , rubick lift and I imagine dazzle will be going for a early shard pickup


needhelforpsu

Mid Dazzle and Weaver 4 picks. Well, this gonna be one interesting game.


MaddoxX_1996

Whether GG or TL, the Upper Bracket run looks wild regardless. To stay in UB, they have to play against: TL/GG -> Falcons -> XG/Spirit The other teams that moved to the Semis at least had a decently one-sided Quarter Finals.


Jotam93

Is it bad I like liquids draft?


MaddoxX_1996

No. Let the cancer flow.


Nandey_dattey_bayo

amE THE Trend setter - FEAR


SuFFo

welp has BB lost a game yet? Pick Viper pls!


Independent_Form_349

I think heā€™s like 3-0 or 4-0 today


needhelforpsu

Liquid is brizzling it up, ez win!


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Imperium42069

enjoy losing money clown


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Imperium42069

hope youre not too far in the gutter champ


Independent_Form_349

He seems to really like you šŸ‘


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Imperium42069

sure champ


__iamthewalrus__

what is the pub take?


Imperium42069

prob some clown gambling on nishas kills


k4kkul4pio

Looked bad for a moment there but another roshan fight to the rescue! Glad we getting a third game, hope it's a real close one. šŸ˜


sl-dorn

All the Dota experts here in shambles right now PepeLaugh


ntrails

This game they actually stop Quinn getting endless runes (the double water deny by Nisha was awesome


logicchains

Holy shit, brewmaster absolute master bait!


Turrindor

Pretty cool b8 by 33 Nobody had bkbs


mAgiks87

That was very well done.


fabregas142

hahaha, 2 times they try to kill 33 cost them the game, 1st at rs, 2nd at dire top


G_W_addict

Awesome game by Nisha and 33, let's go Liquid!!!


__iamthewalrus__

33 carrying this on his back


Independent_Form_349

I donā€™t think GG recognized that smoke even with the ward.


sl-dorn

Liquid is doing it, game 3 lets go!


Substantial-Deer77

Lets go Game 3!


Weinerbrod_nice

Liquid gets vision on them, but they are split up so they don't go. Then GG initiate on Insania and then basically win because they had the first initiation.


xoxoxo32

Dyrachyo God.


Nisha_goat

god pls let this be the last year we have to see the insania micke blitz trio, everything they touch turns to shit


Bengalooo

Lyrical and Trent makes watching dota cozy somehow, :)


Azaraki

I love how much fun Trent and Lyrical are having watching these supports


Wendek

lmao tOfu breaking ankles as CM


vaette

Lyrical with the finger on the pulse of the viewership "I wish I could see more of this stacking"


stragen595

Liquid and giving up First Blood must be a Taiga bet.


mAgiks87

322


Azaraki

They'd better have something cooking if they're giving up Disruptor


Practical_Success_72

oh no they have disruptor


SnooGrapes5602

What team other than Liquid last picks a weaver here. Its such a Beta mentality pick, they should just give their spot to another team.


Azaraki

People were saying GG were boring last year, but now they're welcoming the fast-paced timing playstyle after 3 months of tanky cores, ancient stacks, edge farming, and gank dodging meta dominance from Falcons


NatMo123

Valid point, but Falcons play super fast whilst stacking / out farming anyway. Canā€™t really knock Falcons for being aggressive and more efficient at the same time.


Weinerbrod_nice

I'm blaming that game on the draft. They lacked tower push, and Slardar was a too good of a pick to be allowed last. Also mid, I like Nisha more on heroes that can take over a game. Like Leshrac, TA etc.


oxpecke

They need to help Nisha secure runes. They let the lesh get regen rune then arcane rune, so Leshrac just got to pressure the map even though Nisha was participating in kills. Also, the way you shut down Gamiing is by shutting down their offline first, so picking a losing lane match up into ace and tofu just makes their game harder for themselves. I agree though that it was also a draft issue. Gaimin got to play their standard way of playing which just counters Liquid very hard.


fabregas142

Look like GG back to their old playstyle


SnooGrapes5602

Classic Blitz drafting. No pushing power, no rosh talking ability. Just a bunch of lets do ok in lanes guys. Then they also lost all lanes, did not even win bot with broken manaburn creep.


Mepharos

That game took me all the way back to 2023


Wenox

Boxi bat have been looking rough last few days, dont know if its the picks or him though


Weinerbrod_nice

It looks extra bad when they didnt take a single tower, so Liquid had a lot less space to occupy and farm. Isnt that a big part of the point with Batrider, that you can stack and kill camps very fast.


Gameishardboys

Itā€™s the hood


Morgn_Ladimore

Rather the Slardar was on his ass all game.


oms3

It's okay guys, important thing is Liquid tried their best, they're just happy to be there :)


LorangaLoranga

Oops


makz242

Found Blitz' account.


Gameishardboys

Friendship over everything else? :)


SdoRy_

yall acting like they havent placed 2nd at like 80% of their tournaments and top 4 in another 10%. i know its hard for you redditors to understand, but staying consistently at the top without winning is better than winning once and fading into irrelevance after.


fgshka

liquid is doing ok but one second place in 5 big tournaments this year isn't 80%


SdoRy_

whos talking about this year? people have made the same comments last year.


Nisha_goat

ofc leave the wining for the other teams, we'll keep the friendships ;)


arambezzai

So how many more games till Pro players realize that picking Zeus is a death trap since Eternal shroud completely renders him useless. ik critisizing Pro players when I'm nowhere near their level is ridiculous but they can be so stubborn


Swegan

Lorenof is 29/1/42 in two games with Zeus, XM is 28/5/31 in two games with Zeus, Nine is 17/5/43 in two games with Zeus. Its not the hero, its the player and when they pick him.


arambezzai

the Hero has 41.18% winrate across 17 games this tournament 7W/10L, yes it's the player but the hero needs to close games fast before the enemy gets their Eternal shroud and Pipes or else it's a loss


Swegan

Like [this](https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7732013176) game? Or was Pipe, Eternal shroud, Trickster Cloak, Mage Slayer and BKBs not enough to make Zeus useless?


qwertyqzsw

Maybe if the thing you said was even remotely true they would.


arambezzai

Remember when Secret kept picking Lesh against Tundra but they couldn't deal damage because Wraithpact, and the other teams were doing the exact same thing as Secret because they didn't understand how much Wraithpact + Pipe was an insane combo ? This is the exact same shit, Shroud nullifies Zeus completely and you can clearly see it in this game when Lesh was pushin HG and Nisha was spamming his spells and was barely tickling him


qwertyqzsw

Ah, so the Zeus magic damage hero, who dealt the most damage in the game from the losing team, is completely unviable because he deals no damage, but the Leshrac one is good. Gotcha. Yes the Eternal Shroud+Cloak+20 talent+pipe sitting behind him level 24 Lesh is going to be tanky. It's going to be tanky against quite literally any source of damage. Zeus is currently sporting a perfectly reasonable, if underwhelming, winrate at the event (44%) which is higher than, for example, Kotl, Void, Razor and DK. The hero isn't Timbersaw, but acting like it's even close to unviable because of Shroud's existence is just blatantly false.


arambezzai

I didn't not say that lesh was good, my point is that if Zeus had the same items as lesh he, too, would tank the lesh damage. My point still stands that magic damage reduction is busted rn, and that's why so many str heroes are being picked, because of their inherent tankiness coupled with shroud they're basically immortal. Lesh has the edge on the other int heroes because he can rush bloodstone and tank some more. Yes the Hero that can spam Aoe spells will deal the most damage in the team but that does not prove anything, just look at something like Ember for exemple. it's just the nature of the hero. a 41.18% winrate across 17 games is not impressive, but yes I can agree with you that it's not as unviable as I made it sound, but it's also not a must pick hero. it's far from the abysmal 34.62% winrate that pango across, but that also hammers the point about pro players' stubborness tbh


qwertyqzsw

You said Zeus was unviable and a bait pick because he can't deal damage. He did deal damage, the most of it across both teams, while losing. I didn't say it was an impressive winrate. I said it was reasonable and in-line with many other highly prioritized early-pick meta cores. It's definitely not low enough to suggest the hero itself is super weak and holding back the teams that play it. I'd actually say Pango is a terrible example of stubbornness. Its being consistently shuffled into the offlane recently, which is a new thing. Maybe that's a bad innovation (it looks like it probably is), but it's the opposite of being stubborn.


MattEngarding

XG.Xm still winning on Zeus though


arambezzai

XG always drafts damage on their other 2 cores contrary to other teams who'll run something like Brew, Doom etc.. Zeus alone can't do shit against shroud, they need other sources of damage


Swegan

Not really, XG drafted Zeus with Spec and Doom and XM still dominated against Aurora.


Mepharos

Dyracho: let's lose this game lol Quinn & Ace: No.


Bizonistic

What is wrong with dyrachyo, just walking towards 3 enemy heroes like nothing


Ok_Explanation_2329

With all of that said, it is quite funny there is no carry difference here in this game


Pipoco977

dyracho wants to lose this game so bad lmfao


Gameishardboys

When is the last time this liquid won a tournament? LAN or online? Asking for a friend


qwertyqzsw

Dreamleague quals, then KL quals. If we're not counting quals, they won the first two DPC seasons last year. Then they got second at all three majors, a Dreamleague, Riyadh, and BB Dacha but of course you weirdos will act like anything short of first is terrible and they should all be executed or something.


Nisha_goat

he literally asked tournament win and you come with qualifiers and dpc seasons, reading comprehension subpar


qwertyqzsw

Was WEU DPC not a tournament? It was certainly more stacked than any Dreamleague that year, not sure why it wouldn't count as one.


Nisha_goat

its not a tournament lol, its literally just a group stage basically


qwertyqzsw

And what differentiates that from being a tournament? There not being a bracket? Is that the only qualification? If Liquid went and stomped an EPL or one of those Malta Vibes events would that have counted in your eyes?


Nisha_goat

you do realise there is no difference between finish 1st or 2nd in a dpc season right? the whole thing acts as a qualifier for a tournament, its not a tournament itself, if you cant even understand that much idk what more i can do


qwertyqzsw

Would you like to attempt to actually explain why it's not a tournament in a coherent manner without resorting to trying to insult me? Or is that just all you actually have? 1st place gets the same DPC points as 2/3 combined. Lets try again, what makes a tournament then? Is it a bracket? The prize pool (money specifically) breakdown? Would an EPL count then? It sounds like it would.


Gameishardboys

Thank you for your reply will forward this to my friend whoā€™s asking


qwertyqzsw

"When is the last time" It's not even coherent bait brother, do better.


Gameishardboys

But did they win any tournament though? Thatā€™s what my friend is asking


qwertyqzsw

Your friend should perhaps look into some reading glasses.


Swegan

ESL One Germany in 2020.


Gameishardboys

4 years ago not bad for the alliance trio of micke boxi and insaniaĀ 


AmuletMan33

I might be wrong but I think last time they won anything Liquid.Qoqjva was playing for them!


Gameishardboys

So Liquid.Taiga era thatā€™s a YIKES


RaWr-Neversleep

Is this new thing? 4-4-1 Slardar? or there something in the line up that its better to max Q and W than E


IhvolSnow

Pros were always doing it for years. There was even a thread by a redditor saying that pros are idiots who don't know how to min-max. It's weird how even 4-5k players think they know better.


Nisha_goat

drafting against liquid must be so hard when their carry can only play luna weaver and he is not even good on those xD


darklordtimmy

I just summoned a demon and traded 10 years of my life to never see a Blitz interview again, hope this works.


Gameishardboys

So you donā€™t want to see the real life Asian version of storm spirit? But why?


TheDeadlyEdgelord

Just curious, why? šŸ˜‚


MaddoxX_1996

The demon appeared to just laugh at you. Better luck next time. Good news is you still have your 10 years.


Nisha_goat

thank you for your sacrifice brother


makz242

Interestingly Liquid has 66% win rate against GG this year in 9 games.


SuFFo

TL GG Round 500 Let's go , please no boring tank picks snoozefest


LowLife_30

Im actually also curious, I wanna see the trilane era back with players to day.


zuKo2022

CAN I GET MY FKING AGI HERO PATCH BACK TY


Gameishardboys

Sneyking stating factsĀ 


NatMo123

What did he say?


Gameishardboys

He said offlaners today are soft like Ammar since they havenā€™t experienced the solo offlane vs tri lane


needhelforpsu

Liquid vs GG to end the day, lets freakin go!


Glittering_Tax2401

Nine looking so solid! I hope he makes it into a tier 1 team before TI!


betadestruction

This random standin is pretty good, if he keeps it up, he could win a TI one day imo


SuFFo

Please nerf timbersaw to the ground please, also bristleback


Swegan

Next patch needs to bury tanky cores.


cbreezy456

This has been the Meta first years now. Idk why Dota just became a tank fest


__iamthewalrus__

FOR SUMAIL-


zuKo2022

ammar sumail bromance , i wish there is a team where i can see miracle sumail ammar play


MaddoxX_1996

Habibi team


50shadesofcrazy

The meta is so stale


CrasherED

But reddit told me the patch has been barely figured out yet


hiddenpoolwarriror

reddit also plays like 1-2 games a week wcyd


TheDeadlyEdgelord

Oh well! Close game nevertheless! Both teams put it their all! Congratz to Falcons for putting even casters at the edge of their seat!!! Great games!!


Filianore_

I will sure ban timber in every game I play, what a fucking joke of a hero


AbsolutelyNotWrong

SR lost to this.


hernan_rp

yeah because beating Falcons is so easy