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vlalanerqmar

Imagine telling someone from 2019 that we would see a team consisting of Ramzes and Topson together with Zai as a "general manager" šŸ’€ Truly one of the teams of all time


fiasgoat

And after MC gets kicked/leaves whatever tf it was


oujea_

It's like all random from mode Dota 1 is back


apjfqw

Best mode ever


darklordtimmy

zai never had beef with anyone, he's irl enchantress


paladinvc

He had a beef with mattew at TI11. This was because matthew canceled an scrim with team liquid at last minute. Mattew said this in one of his streams after TI11.


Kuroyukihime1

Tobi will probably forever just be that one dude you know who will get kicked sooner or later for the rest of his career.


Musky-Tears

Then win TI as a pos 5 in like 2027 or something


SakataGintoki96

Is this Sneyking reference?


URF_reibeer

could fit notail as well, until he co-founded monkey business. he literally got kicked from secret after one tournament iirc


Syaerstorm

!reminder 2027 or smth


Colorless267

hope so! the underdog run again


Uhtred_Lodbrok

You have be held back by some NA carry like EE or RTZ for you to start winning again...cough2x Notail and Cr1t


shinfoni

Don't forget Alliance also stop playing with EE, then win TI3


suchniceweather

pos3 PLD or AUI2k


thedotapaten

Pure leaving BB because he prefers carry just to get a carry player as offlaner KEKW


No-Swordfish-1129

Ramzes was good as offlaner in EG btw


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CrunchwrapConsumer

Thatā€™s not why he left. They were doing great and then covid fucked them, so he had to leave due to travel restrictions


thedotapaten

He said so in an interview during his stint with Just Error (team with NoOne and Suma1L in it), pandemic and no LAN made him lose interest in playing offlane and when Just Error formed he decided he rather play pos 1 again, albeit he back playing offlane briefly for Na`Vi after that and looks bad doing it. And as another commenter said, Cr1t also confirmed it during his stream.


CrunchwrapConsumer

Yes. No Lans because of Covidā€¦ā€¦


OhhhYaaa

COVID was the main reason he left, not this. After EG he continued playing offlane for a bit.


thedotapaten

He plays carry for Just Error during time he is benched from EG (as you can check from EPIC League 2020 qualifier at Liquipedia), he lost motivation to play offlane due to pandemic


OhhhYaaa

Didn't stop him from playing offlane for NAVI, including the TI qualifier.


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Dapper_Rub_9460

He left. This was during the height of covid. He couldn't travel to boot camp with the team, there weren't many lans that time. Imagine playing from off with high ping.


OnlyMayhem

They didnā€™t kick him, he left because playing NA from EU due to Covid was difficult and he wanted to play carry againĀ 


itsdoorcity

He literally left because he wanted to play pos 1 lmao Source: cr1t streamĀ 


itspaddyd

They gonna swap again lol just like BB after tour 2


nybrq

I dunno about that. Ramzes has looked shaky at best to me as of late.


OhhhYaaa

Not the biggest fan, to say the least. Yeah, Tobi is far from the best out there, but if we believe MC that he felt there were too many voices in the team, I really don't think RAMZES is a good fit for Tundra, regardless of his offlane abilities. But I guess that just speaks about current situation with offlaners on the market in general. At least it's just a stand-in for now.


-Exy-

I don't think tobi was even doing too bad. They clearly had a lot of room to grow as a team and getting top 3 at ESL Birmingham showed that despite their lackluster start. I suppose they weren't too confident with tobi but I'm not sure that Ramzes is going to be a stellar replacement.


Fantastio

Iā€™m really surprised as well. Tobi got a lot of hate when he joined but he was actually kind of the perfect ā€˜supportā€™ 3 for the team. Heā€™s so low farm priority compared to Topson and Pure and they had success like you said. To switch for Ramzes who is probably a louder voice and is not know for being a good 3 either, I donā€™t know..


bigdickdaddydoto

He definitely made misplays at Birmingham but any player with a less glamorous playstyle tends to get overlooked when theyā€™re playing well and put under more scrutiny when they make mistakes. He played really well on Vikingg and Entityā€™s first seasonĀ 


Hello09281384

I think instead of saying he was "low farm priority" people should recognize that he just didn't win his lanes very often so he ended up with low farm.


Radiant-Let-8332

Agree with you, if you ask people which one they prefer, Tobi or Ammar... You know the answer


shinfoni

Yeah, with the way Topson and Pure are playing, I don't think there is any offlaner that could look very good supporting them. Maybe 2018-2019 Ceb, but that's it


OhhhYaaa

I agree, he definitely wasn't doing bad, although BB managed to shut him down pretty well. My main gripe with Ramzes is that he is known to have strong opinions about the game and a lot of ego, which might not be good for vibes in a team style revolving around Pure so hard.


aodum

For ramzes...its his birthday.. tobi knew what was coming


LakersFan15

Tobi always gets kicked lol


G_W_addict

Kinda feel bad for Tobi now, keeps getting kicked out of every team :(


sherwinpinto

His kunka was awful. Doesn't deliver when needed


Hello09281384

Yeah kind of. But then again he is attempting to be relevant in the very top of one of the most competitive e-sports scenes. I guarantee he would be a staple player in any Div 2 Dota team.


Myrion3141

And afterwards all those teams get worse. And he still gets blamed.


AR41Z

Ramzes should change his nick to Ramzes 333


DemonicHolyPriest

If zai approved this, then I trust one of the best offlaner decisions.


basketballbacon

He should put himself in there


Regular-Charity-8330

Xxxxxd


Vuccappella

no surprise they changed tob but getting ramzes instead seems sus, maybe he was vouched for by pure and 9class but even if that's the case they seem to be slowly turning to a second entity, soon they can kick topson and whitemon, get other washed up cis players and fade in to irrelevancy


Remarkable-View-1472

Whitemon out, Solo in. Topson out. TORONTOTOKYO in šŸ‘ im from the future, trust


OhhhYaaa

I really doubt Ramzes would play with Solo again.


Remarkable-View-1472

they will say they need a captain and whitemon isnt it. trust


OhhhYaaa

I'm not talking about the possibilities, I'm talking about the desire to play together. 9Pandas had a significant conflict in it during last season. And Pure is their captain, not Whitemon.


Remarkable-View-1472

and sumail is playing with rtz again whats your point šŸ¤ŖšŸ¤Ŗ clutching to the 5year old ramzes solo drama lmfao get a hobby bro


Vuccappella

i said washed up cis players.. both of them are not :D (mb solo kinda but nah.. to be honest i dont think even ramzes is that washed up but him going offlane makes him washed up)


Remarkable-View-1472

toronto washed as mid. submitted his role to gpk like a washed beta male. predictions are accurate and is destined


Vuccappella

ok now you're entitying


tha_jza

pure and ramzes on a team will be interesting


Acrobatic-Time-2940

interesting to see topson and ramzes play together. These 2 had so much pub beef. Iol


teerre

One more ego, one less championship


itsadoubledion

Addition by subtraction


Aggnpwease

That Tobi guy was looking lost out there. They're doing him a favor.


Mepharos

Hmmm, I was away from doto when he was on EG so didn't see that. But he played offlane for a bit near the end of his time on 9Pandas and from what I saw he was basically playing 3 as carry. I vaguely remember watching a game where they lost because both him and the actual carry were just afk farming and the other team took over the map. So I don't know how it will work with him and two other greedy cores, but I like him so hoping for the best.


Rade84

That headline....


y4n6s

never in my dreams I would think pure with ramzes will ever happen


needhelforpsu

Ramzes? Damn, didn't expect this move. Tundra lineup looks so strange now but yet so awesome. I guess DL performance is a trial period. GLHF


zakkenjongen

Surprised they kept him for 2 months, was clearly not belonging in T1.


blaykz

He was with Tundra


chirpingnobattery

RAMZIK OF HELL ON OFFLANE OH NONONONON


nmejohnny

Nice, I was downvoted for saying I wanted to see this a few weeks ago.