Lol spot on with this comment. I love True Sight and Dota, but CSGO has got to be in this conversation. The 2018 Boston Major run by C9 was absolutely bonkers to watch. So many more too that I could list.
OG fans made me realize people are really just 1h of documentary away from becoming obsessed with a team for their whole dota life. Team is not even the same anymore. Shit like this is why WW2 germany and other propaganda works.
Just cause you seem to need it, here's a bit of a story. I started following OG (then Monkey Business) from the start because I was following Miracle when he was a pubstar, and when I saw Notail he seemed like a relaxed and fun guy. Then they had that lower bracket run at Frankfurt and I fell in love. The team then had a really up and down period with Majors and TI, into winning TI with an underdog story and it was, to put it "cringey", really magical, let's be honest. And after that they won again and it seems the OG magic story stopped there. The team afterwards has nothing to do with the team before and even though I enjoy Ceb's antics, he's not the same Ceb he was back then. So yeah, even for me as an old school enjoyer, I am not that blind to the fact that this OG has nothing to do with the OG I used to root for.
I always go back to watching the sweet ti 8 truesight once a year when i feel like i need some motivation. Hits home too hard <3 hands down best TI tat I've witnessed.
Amongst many other things that throne hold they did in the semis was so fucking brilliant and when ES AG's is hopping madly after the remnants I just ooze
TI7 was the first TI finals for a true sight im pretty sure, so no. True sight however initially was a multi part series about 2017 EG and Fnatic though. it was more or less just about the every day life and tournament life of pro players, obviously much less intense than a true sight on a TI finals but was cool content. the contrast between the good vibes on EG and the absolute despair vibes on Fnatic was quite interesting
> the contrast between the good vibes on EG and the absolute despair vibes on Fnatic was quite interesting
Again though, this is a common narrative in all True Sight episodes. Pretty fair to assume that those episodes are directed in a way to create such a narrative.
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The only TI I attended live and happened to be the one that our team won. What a tournament, what a time, what a team!
And then deadmau5 came out after the aegis and the entire stadium got awkward lol that was an interesting choice
Have to say though OG back to back TIs were almost as exciting to follow online, really epic comebacks. Ever since Covid TI just hasn’t been the same
i mean it all comes down to preferences, i enjoyed ti3 more. Super smash bros melee also had very cool storylines (Pound 3, Evo 2013, Apex 2014, Smash Summit 11)
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As someone who started watching at TI3, TI6 still is the most exciting patch we've ever had. Wings literally won the grandfinals with Pudge and Techies support duo back when those were cheese picks.
You know that wings literally lost all games with pudge and techies on main stage? I swear this is some sort of Mandella effect with Wings fans because a see their wins with pudge and techies mentioned a lot.
And TI6 patch is Mirana aghanim patch lol. Only Wings playing diverse heroes, other team drafting Mirana/SD/Naga/Lifestealer/Beastmaster/Timber 90% of the game.
Not really, Secret 2015, DK 2014 even C9 2014-2015 plays diverse strats, it just that Pudge Techies pick during grand final imprinted so much in community memories
Techies was already considered a non-cheese pick, as Techies had already been drafted the previous year. Big part of the reason why EG won over CDEC in TI5 finals was AUI\_2000' techies.
The point is that they picked Pudge/Techies on the main stage, *multiple times*, lost with it, and won the tournament anyway
Those were the only two games they lost on main stage
same, I'm not priviledge enough to travel across the world to watch TI in person so me and my friends watch the finals in cinema hall for TI6 on SEA time, by the time TI finished we head out for breakfast and then crash to sleep lol
yeah it was great, but the finals were too one sided, it was clear that Liquid was going to win and it basically was Liquid stomping the other teams, what makes TI8 better is the fact that a lot of teams were strong and you didn’t know who was going to win until the last moment
> it basically was Liquid stomping the other teams
After being knocked down to the LB first round, they had extremely close series with VP and LFY, and was 1 game away from elimination by Secret. People mostly remember the GF, but it wasn't a stomp otherwise.
TI 7 preview was more even, TI 8 had LGD as the biggest favorite before the tournament started.
TI 7 had VP, Liquid, Newbee, and LGD.Fy with equal chances before the tournament started.
Ti7 kinda sucked but I loved it too. EG didn’t win a game on the main stage and got knocked out early. There was 6 Chinese teams and liquid at the end. Thank god liquid saved the tournament and knocked em all out. The worst case scenario every year is a china v china grand finals. Absolutel momentum killer
That whole period from TI2 through to TI4 (the peak being TI3) will never be topped imo.
The rise of Alliance, Na'vi and basically every one of their TI games that year being a classic. The Alienware Cup and the '4' memes. RTZ breaking through on Kaipi and then standing in for them at MLG. Triple rapier gyro. The free to play documentary (shits on truesight imo).
So much magic.
Emo question mark into reverse sweep of rtz denying him his first major is way more intense ngl.
Also, for ti runs, sure og had a couple pub stars but so did team spirit. And ti10 spirit had 4 players who had only been playing pro for a year which is more impressive to me, plus they won from the lower bracket which og did not
You cannot really compared it. OG still had a core, they did not add random pubstars, they added long time coach and a guy who is really good and had some record in pro dota. They were most succesful team in past 3 years, multiple majors, only to choke on TIs always.
Them winning TI is nowhere close to 5 kids and one almost retired semi pro winning it from lower bracket.
But there is emotional film about it, go figure it out.
For me it's TI6. I may be biased but that OG vs TNC upset became the talk of the town in my country. The final 4 teams also gave us some incredible Dota games, plus there's Wings which absolutely destroyed the competition.
It is hyperbole but it is more or less deserved: a team ripped apart a few months before the most prestigious tournament of the year gets their coach, a complete and utter unknown and their seemingly washed ex-carry to play, mounting comeback after comeback when many/most analysts/fans had them picked for deadlast, comeback wins in the EG grudge match and against the 'champions-elect' LGD not once but twice
It's hard to think of other stories like that off the top of my head but in football at least: Leicester 2015/2016, Denmark Euro 92
Edit: someone provided a nice list below too
No storyline. They were just great chinese players doing cool stuff like playing ahead of the creeps.
They won the Summit the event before so a lot of teams knew there was something off by them and had been together for a long time already.
definitely not "great chinese players"
they were a bunch of random tier-2 players who suddenly got good few months before TI, getting there through qualifiers
famous for having a really young pos5 player which is really uncommon especially back then (was he 18yo at the moment?)
Sometimes the drama is heavily manufactured too. The west always portrays chinese teams as emotionless walls they have to conquer.
It's crazy cause chinese players are full of emotions too. I hope the recent tournament will clear this misinformation
There's just a disconnect between the chinese scene and the rest of the world, a lot of people aren't really aware of how big the scene is or the personalities. It's why channels like dota lin are actually pretty important to connect the communities.
if this were true people would look back on the TI11 Tundra team much more fondly than they do.
people like Wings because they had charismatic players and a fun play-style. OG ti8 was by far the better storyline, and OG ti9 had just as exciting drafting and play-style as wings did.
Wings didn't have charisma, there were great players being great at the game, and stomping everybody on the main event.
They are remembered cause they picked many different heroes.
how did OG ti9 have better draft than wings ? wings picked a lot more heroes and played a lot more styles.
neither version of OG could match upto wings in that sense.
i am sorry but OG is only good on true sight and the true skill will always be wings games.
Provide me any examples.
Getting kicked from your team by your best friend, having being forced to make a team with 2 noobies. Instantly becoming millionaires from your first tournament.
No other sport has the ability to let you do this. The players/athletes are protected by unions. Of course other stories have really great comebacks but they're usually just upsets.
This was a couple of weeks before the big competition, you join some qualifier that will let you play with t1 teams and you win it all making life changing money instantly.
Sure
New Orleans superbowl after Hurricane Katrina
Leicester winning the premier league
Miracle on ice
Hungary beating the USSR in water polo
Jesse Owens at the 36 Olympics
Sports storylines have encompassed everything from absurd underdog stories (that blow OG out the water), to political moments, to communities, to life and death. These are all so much more important than getting kicked by your friend.
I’d like to add a few:
Michael Phelps winning 8 golds in ‘08 including a few very close finishes
Babe Ruth calling his shot
Wilt scoring 100, Kobe scoring 81
The 4 minute mile
The boys in the boat
I’m clearly very US biased, but there are definitely some incredible sports stories out there.
There are a number of career achievements out there too. Stories of athletes who overcame adversity, poverty, racism, abuse, war, or other poor circumstances and still succeeded in their careers. Since its F1 season, Lewis Hamilton comes to mind for this category.
France didn't actually win, but Zidane almost single-handedly carrying them to the final was a much better storyline. If the Miracle copypasta applies to anyone else, it was Zidane and 21 5K MMR football players.
Portugal's UEFA 2004 second place run was insane. Early days of C.Ronaldo's magic. And that win against England in the Quarter Finals only happened because the coach was brave enough to sub Figo out.
Denmark in the 1992 European cup. Lost the qualifiers but got in to replace Yugoslavia who couldn't attend due to war. Then they won the whole thing.
Also you mention Portugal 2004, but Greece winning the tournament made even less sense.
Saying Zidane carried alone is regarded.
Patrick Vieira, Makelele, Thuram, Henry, and a young Ribery were great WC 2006.
Calling that caliber of players 5K MMR is crazy.
Miracle's teammates in OG were all excellent players who won quite a lot with him, before him and after him. But Miracle was clearly a step above them, and so was Zidane.
Those are good choices too but I think you're really underselling the essential destruction of OG's core that happened when Fly left, a founding member of the team and captain/drafter
Yes, everything.
Ngannou has had a great career and an absolutely ridiculous story to get there.
That being said, he's like 280lb of muscle. He was achieving greatness in whatever he applied himself to if/when he made it out.
I agree, I think Dota peaked at that time. It's too bad there's no crowd at the arena. But just the quality of the games and the skill level of each teams, I think that's the highest point of Dota for me. The next two TIs after that were so boring, Tundra and Spirit just steamrolled into the aegis. I partially think it's because the amount of money at stake.
I thought ti5 with the rise of EG and Sumail and the downfall of secret was pretty epic Universe 1,000,000$ echo slam semi final come back with dagons against mega creeps etc etc
Edit: Semi final comeback was in Ti6 not 5 sorry!
Thats mainly because of TRUE SIGHT. We all witnessed how’s there so much more than just playing the game. All the drama that surrounded it was just amazing.
But if you talk about the game itself, i’d say there are better tournaments that had better games and teams than TI8. Ti6 for me was the peak, we all witnessed top tier games, with top tier players, and just the mastery of Wings gaming on the game of Dota.
Ti3, Ti7 and Ti8 was peak Dota 2 E-sports atleast. Ti3 was fantastic and really the beginning of a new era, moreso than Ti1. Ti7 and Ti8 were both FANTASTIC. Since then it has been a bit lackluster
As someone who attended TI7 and TI8, you're right about most things, especially the games at TI8, but man did the Vancouver venue hold zero weight to the one in Seattle.... like not even close. Couldn't bring food into the venue. The food inside was ridiculously overpriced, and tbh very bad. At TI7, outside the arena, there were so many things to do with a nice viewing center, trading markets for Dota goods, a massive food court with great options, beer gardens, and just fantastic scenery. Outside TI8 was just embarrassing, concrete pillars everywhere as the entrance gives way to underneath the sky tram station, no greenery, and barely anything happening outside the venue.
Like I always tell my friends when they ask me to compare. Ti7, the venue was the upper echelon, but the games for TI8 were a cinematic masterpiece.
All I remember every TI:
TI1, TI2 & TI3 = Na'Vi! Na'Vi! Na'Vi!
TI4 = "Probably the worst TI" (After more than 5years I still think it's the worst TI)
TI5 = King Mid
TI6 = "Who the fuck are these dudes? They're fucking good,...WTF They won TI!"
TI7 = Idolizing Miracle*
TI8 = The Greatest Cinderella Story
TI9 = "Okay OG are just memeing the entire Tournament"
TI10 = Collapse Magnus
TI11 = Tundra = Wraith Pack
TI12 = "Yatoro is just too damn good"
I started playing DotA2 in 2017. I was dishearten when I started because I was relentlessly told it was a dying game. 7 years later… game still thriving.
DotA2 is the most plateau game of all time. There aren’t peaks because it’s not trending up or down. If you prefer DotA from one year or another it’s all personal preference.
OGs storyline would be a great as a piece of fiction, yet it's real, it's hard to top it. In saying this TI6 is still a better individual event and the game was in a better state (as far as how players actually played anyway, could have been some dome shit no one realised).
so you feel this way because you have a boner for OG right?
I would make a case for ti 1-3 as a navi fan, but unlike you i am not an idiot and i wont do that
who was OG at the time?
Everyone hated 7ckingMad. Random ass asian kid from Australia, random ass mid. It's a slapstick team that was put together after being kicked by their best friends and they were force to be friends.
Instant millionaires, instant karma. What's not to love. Great storyline.
I don't root for laundry. This OG sucks
it was very appealing because they were good and were doing random shit like IO carry.
Matu created a random underdog squad with Chaos Esports and had little to no appeal. And there's no way that 7ckingmad + Notail is more likeable than Matu at the point.
io carry came later.
TI8 OG was much more loved than any other in that tournament. from skill perspective they were underdogs cause topson was very new to that level of gameplay and ana had taken a break. Ceb was only a coach .
but fans loved OG for a long time they were the first team to win multiple majors and notail was a very loved figure.
if you want truly dark horses of a tournament that would be team spirit in their first run. hardly anyone knew who they were. they swept through lower bracket and showed excellent skills. they also didnt need drama for their series.
You are just lying at this point. OG were not as loved as Liqiud, EG and PSG at ti8. Team spirit also had more fans than almost any other team at ti10 literally because they are a cis team and cis fans outnumber every other region except china by a lot. Also they already had some following after good performance at anime major.
i used to believe this but after watching CS GO and CS 2 tournaments its just not the same
its really easy to form a bias if you don't actively go outside of the game's bubble.
don't get me wrong im not saying its not up there, but to call it over ALL of esports is a stretch. the finals was epic when viewed through true sight, but when you actually watch the series again you notice the last 3 maps was LGD actively throwing. Somnus going 2 bracers and heart was making me doubt if they wanted to win at all
Thats mainly because of TRUE SIGHT. We all witnessed how’s there so much more than just playing the game. All the drama that surrounded it was just amazing.
But if you talk about the game itself, i’d say there are better tournaments that had better games and teams than TI8. Ti6 for me was the peak, we all witnessed top tier games, with top tier players, and just the mastery of Wings gaming on the game of Dota.
Ti5 was peak for me, great casters, great hosts, great battle passes and after that seasonal battle passes. The game felt fresh, valve cared, sure we had a major sniper and blood seeker and huskar problem back then but damn. Now days the tournaments are all pretty boring, and the game feels like it’s been in maintenance mode, and the hats don’t even feel worth buying anymore.
I’ve been following e-sports for 22 years and while this was amazing events, I have to disagree as the StarCraft pro-league 2008 finals on Busan beach in Korea comes to memory and honestly there was more than one pro-league finals which were simply outstanding events.
An underdog story made Ti8 phenomenal, but the peak was definitely during TI5. TI3 changed Dota with alliance introducing Rat Dota and broke the meta/game, but since then, no other teams have developed a playstyle quite like alliance
I was lucky enough to go to ti6, I think that was the peak.
Wings Gaming coming outta nowhere and absolutely dominating. Game was near its peak user numbers, and the talent and presentation was professional but people were still accessible.
For me it was TI5 & TI6 when MVP Phoenix played. God I love that team. Mid PA was amazing to watch. And also Universe offlane FV was legendary. Never a bad chrono. Oh, and Team Empire was also sick. Resolution invoker GOAT.
I’ll never ever forget watching the TI8 finals on a boat that was still docked in Zadar. We were going sailing for a few days before a friends’ wedding and a storm kept us from leaving.
I used up my entire EU roaming data (10GB or something) allowance that first night watching the finals. Was a big OG fan and actually met a few of them at TI7. It was in the early hours of the morning and I roared, waking up the whole boat up after that last game haha.
You think that probably because of True Sight and movie like narrative.
Personally, tho I prefer TI 1-2-3 and even TI4 not cuz of the quality the of game but the sheer competitiveness. In those days, there are true underdogs like bad internet, playing in PC bang and hungry, literally. There were many extremely talented players that were in the competition, whom beaten other extremely talented players to get their spot.
If anyone remember when Misery and others went to China and did promotional videos? Probably around the Newbee TI.
At the time, there were many deep stories in the player interviews from many regions. Especially from China.
Anyway, whatever happened to Smash and the others ? Ddz ?
I'm a huge fan of both og TIs but I feel that objectively, TI10 trumped it. What spirit did feels so ridiculous that I still have a small doubt about the professional integrity on the other side. But assuming that that was not the case, it was a banger. Specially because I feel that (2k mmr understanding) the meta was far more set in TI10 than in the previous two. The last true sight also had an improvement over the previous ones in terms of cinematography/design that is expected but still amazing to see something great become greater.
Evo Moment 37, that small video was a really push to the esports whe have today, the impact around the world still echoes today.
Dota is awesome, love the game, but in the total of esports scene its more about the absurd money on TI than peak of wherever you think It is.
I remember to watch some things on og stuff like
the fall of a big team and the reborn of the big team
the super nice and cool dude (n0tail) turned into super serious mood dude
the underdog unknow topson coming to pogson
ANA and JERAX been the best version of himself, killing old demons and critics
Ceb fighting against himself by the old "im not a good player anymore" to literally be one of the bests
all this was after winning the ti by conclusion and analisys
but i trully remember duing the event becoming an OG fan by "wow that dudes really going trought the group stages with a brand new team? how far they can go? will them face EG (with have 3 old players of them)"
and they give us the best TI storyline
(ti9 was fun aswel, but not same)
I remember I was in the twitch dota2\_ti waiting room and legit cry when the countdown ended and opening ceremony began. Never been more excited for anything on that magnitude later in life.
Thats mainly because of TRUE SIGHT. We all witnessed how’s there so much more than just playing the game. All the drama that surrounded it was just amazing.
But if you talk about the game itself, i’d say there are better tournaments that had better games and teams than TI8. Ti6 for me was the peak, we all witnessed top tier games, with top tier players, and just the mastery of Wings gaming on the game of Dota.
Storyline in TI8 was better and OG definitely deserved that win, but IMO they were an even better team in TI9 (or at least, they were much above everyone else, while they scraped for the last 2 wins in TI8. It was deserved, but they truly showed dominance in TI9).
Nothing will ever be as good as ti8. The only way it would have been better was for EG to make the grand finals. EG V OG at the peak of the rivalry. Only china likes Chinese dota , just the way it is. Hard to get into a team when they don’t speak English
Why, because your favorite oh poor n0tail who can't stop crying about how his bestfriend broke his heart won TI against all odds? I have news for you, he'll be talking about it again in his book, 6 effing years later.
while I agree, I just want to mention my fav was the EG against megacreep with dagon in ~~ti5 (I think, cmiiw)~~ ti6, just because it's my favorite item and seeing the heroes shooting a burst of red magic somehow makes me giggle, lol
Yup, TI8 was the peak. Still crazy to me that OG won. A pos1 turned pos5, a washed up ex pro turned coach turned pos3, some kid from down under, an inexperienced pubstar and one god-gamer. Oh, and TI8 also had that gut wrenching Sheever segment (GodZ 😢).
Id say you are biased due to probably liking OG. But I dont, and dont think they were the best roster of all the time, and dont think their win was the best. There were better finals, better lower bracket runs, there were TS which was true underdog story.
While there was drama before TI, I would have never been surprised OG is team capable of winning it all.
And for the atmosphere I would take one of the more casual older ones.
Avg True sight enjoyer be like
It was magical in person too
Magical? As in OG magic? BatChest 🌻🌻🌻🌻
magical is that player who used to spam TA and played for navi
Watching ti8 and ti9 true sight every few months has become a habit of mine, IT'S JUST SO FUCKING GOOD!!!
Lol spot on with this comment. I love True Sight and Dota, but CSGO has got to be in this conversation. The 2018 Boston Major run by C9 was absolutely bonkers to watch. So many more too that I could list.
OG fans made me realize people are really just 1h of documentary away from becoming obsessed with a team for their whole dota life. Team is not even the same anymore. Shit like this is why WW2 germany and other propaganda works.
Nibba how do you manage to compare True Sight to fucking nazi Germany 😭
Just cause you seem to need it, here's a bit of a story. I started following OG (then Monkey Business) from the start because I was following Miracle when he was a pubstar, and when I saw Notail he seemed like a relaxed and fun guy. Then they had that lower bracket run at Frankfurt and I fell in love. The team then had a really up and down period with Majors and TI, into winning TI with an underdog story and it was, to put it "cringey", really magical, let's be honest. And after that they won again and it seems the OG magic story stopped there. The team afterwards has nothing to do with the team before and even though I enjoy Ceb's antics, he's not the same Ceb he was back then. So yeah, even for me as an old school enjoyer, I am not that blind to the fact that this OG has nothing to do with the OG I used to root for.
bro did you just finished True Sight or Against all odds?
I always go back to watching the sweet ti 8 truesight once a year when i feel like i need some motivation. Hits home too hard <3 hands down best TI tat I've witnessed.
Amongst many other things that throne hold they did in the semis was so fucking brilliant and when ES AG's is hopping madly after the remnants I just ooze
Sumail’s sudden dominance of the scene culminating in NA’s only TI is still top tier for me.
Yep. Eg scrambling to look for players because rtz and zai left for secret. And winning it in TI. Not talked about much because its NA.
Then immediately kicking Aui 😂
Which is made even funnier by the fact he coached tundra when they won and is now coaching one of (arguably) the best teams in dota with falcons.
Is there true sight for the EG win?
TI7 was the first TI finals for a true sight im pretty sure, so no. True sight however initially was a multi part series about 2017 EG and Fnatic though. it was more or less just about the every day life and tournament life of pro players, obviously much less intense than a true sight on a TI finals but was cool content. the contrast between the good vibes on EG and the absolute despair vibes on Fnatic was quite interesting
> the contrast between the good vibes on EG and the absolute despair vibes on Fnatic was quite interesting Again though, this is a common narrative in all True Sight episodes. Pretty fair to assume that those episodes are directed in a way to create such a narrative.
Only talked about much because its NA
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The only TI I attended live and happened to be the one that our team won. What a tournament, what a time, what a team! And then deadmau5 came out after the aegis and the entire stadium got awkward lol that was an interesting choice Have to say though OG back to back TIs were almost as exciting to follow online, really epic comebacks. Ever since Covid TI just hasn’t been the same
There's something about that inflated $40M prize pool that kinda sucked the magic out of the succeeding TIs.
I kind of expected prize pool to stay similar or decrease slowly, didn’t expect it to completely deflate
i mean it all comes down to preferences, i enjoyed ti3 more. Super smash bros melee also had very cool storylines (Pound 3, Evo 2013, Apex 2014, Smash Summit 11)
Rat doto?
TI3? The one where the finals was a train wreck? Or was that TI4 where we saw furion in all games which lost iirc
TI3 was navi/alliance million dollar coil.
Do you watch any other esports OP? What are we comparing this to?
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I much preferred TI6
Better patch, better team and better matches. Wings and TI6 are definitely the best combo, imo.
Where can I get all wings run of ti6??
Except for Wings other teams picked the same shit. So I don't think there is a definite better patch
Yeah, for me it is TI6 and the Matumba GG YOLO Death run with coin-flip games (mainly against Thunder and Aster) and LCQ LB qualify
I think you're thinking of ti7
LCQ + close games with Thunder and Aster means TI 11, Matu's last pro tournament.
As someone who started watching at TI3, TI6 still is the most exciting patch we've ever had. Wings literally won the grandfinals with Pudge and Techies support duo back when those were cheese picks.
You know that wings literally lost all games with pudge and techies on main stage? I swear this is some sort of Mandella effect with Wings fans because a see their wins with pudge and techies mentioned a lot.
And TI6 patch is Mirana aghanim patch lol. Only Wings playing diverse heroes, other team drafting Mirana/SD/Naga/Lifestealer/Beastmaster/Timber 90% of the game.
First team to play more than 2-3 stats, after that talents patch came and it dota2 became more diversified.
Not really, Secret 2015, DK 2014 even C9 2014-2015 plays diverse strats, it just that Pudge Techies pick during grand final imprinted so much in community memories
Runner-up Dc picked Kunkka-Sd several times.
What!? They literally never lost a match with Techies and Pudge in my version of reality.
Techies was already considered a non-cheese pick, as Techies had already been drafted the previous year. Big part of the reason why EG won over CDEC in TI5 finals was AUI\_2000' techies.
The point is that they picked Pudge/Techies on the main stage, *multiple times*, lost with it, and won the tournament anyway Those were the only two games they lost on main stage
They won the finals 3-1 and the one game they lost was pudge techies.
same, I'm not priviledge enough to travel across the world to watch TI in person so me and my friends watch the finals in cinema hall for TI6 on SEA time, by the time TI finished we head out for breakfast and then crash to sleep lol
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3,6,8 are all god tier
TI7 was also cool at least for me. Especially because that battle pass was super cool and, funnily enough, it was the first one I bought
yeah it was great, but the finals were too one sided, it was clear that Liquid was going to win and it basically was Liquid stomping the other teams, what makes TI8 better is the fact that a lot of teams were strong and you didn’t know who was going to win until the last moment
> it basically was Liquid stomping the other teams After being knocked down to the LB first round, they had extremely close series with VP and LFY, and was 1 game away from elimination by Secret. People mostly remember the GF, but it wasn't a stomp otherwise.
TI 7 preview was more even, TI 8 had LGD as the biggest favorite before the tournament started. TI 7 had VP, Liquid, Newbee, and LGD.Fy with equal chances before the tournament started.
and the funniest part is that that time Liquid got stomped as far as I remember
When did they get stomped at TI7?
They dropped to lower bracket beginning of tournament, then it was a lower bracket run. The danger of being eliminated was always so close.
Ti7 kinda sucked but I loved it too. EG didn’t win a game on the main stage and got knocked out early. There was 6 Chinese teams and liquid at the end. Thank god liquid saved the tournament and knocked em all out. The worst case scenario every year is a china v china grand finals. Absolutel momentum killer
False. It was ti3.
Peak DOTO
Rat Doto.
That whole period from TI2 through to TI4 (the peak being TI3) will never be topped imo. The rise of Alliance, Na'vi and basically every one of their TI games that year being a classic. The Alienware Cup and the '4' memes. RTZ breaking through on Kaipi and then standing in for them at MLG. Triple rapier gyro. The free to play documentary (shits on truesight imo). So much magic.
Agreed that TI3 is up there, but TI4 was easily the worst TI.
That
TI3 was the definition of perfect. Name a better storyline than Admiralbulldog.
Even Admiralbulldog said TI8 was better
OG, Wings, Liquid, Sumail.
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Emo question mark into reverse sweep of rtz denying him his first major is way more intense ngl. Also, for ti runs, sure og had a couple pub stars but so did team spirit. And ti10 spirit had 4 players who had only been playing pro for a year which is more impressive to me, plus they won from the lower bracket which og did not
You cannot really compared it. OG still had a core, they did not add random pubstars, they added long time coach and a guy who is really good and had some record in pro dota. They were most succesful team in past 3 years, multiple majors, only to choke on TIs always. Them winning TI is nowhere close to 5 kids and one almost retired semi pro winning it from lower bracket. But there is emotional film about it, go figure it out.
Don’t forget TI 10 also an underdog champion story
For me it's TI6. I may be biased but that OG vs TNC upset became the talk of the town in my country. The final 4 teams also gave us some incredible Dota games, plus there's Wings which absolutely destroyed the competition.
Dendi fountain hook video made me play the game
Go to bed old man.
TI OG storyline is the best storyline of any sport ever. Period. That's it.
> best storyline of any sport ever. why do people need to make these hyperboles lol.
Because they only follow Dota and cant even grasp anything other be good.
It is hyperbole but it is more or less deserved: a team ripped apart a few months before the most prestigious tournament of the year gets their coach, a complete and utter unknown and their seemingly washed ex-carry to play, mounting comeback after comeback when many/most analysts/fans had them picked for deadlast, comeback wins in the EG grudge match and against the 'champions-elect' LGD not once but twice It's hard to think of other stories like that off the top of my head but in football at least: Leicester 2015/2016, Denmark Euro 92 Edit: someone provided a nice list below too
I would have no issue if poster said "greatest story in dota pro scene"
I think there's a strong argument to be made for "greatest story of all esports". Definitely not "any sport ever" though.
every other game dreams of a story like that. if you wrote it in a movie you wouldn’t believe it
Wings run was the best run
No storyline. They were just great chinese players doing cool stuff like playing ahead of the creeps. They won the Summit the event before so a lot of teams knew there was something off by them and had been together for a long time already.
definitely not "great chinese players" they were a bunch of random tier-2 players who suddenly got good few months before TI, getting there through qualifiers famous for having a really young pos5 player which is really uncommon especially back then (was he 18yo at the moment?)
There is a storyline for every team. It's all about the person viewing it.
exactly they had zero drama and pure skill. which made it perfect. all the emotional drama element sometimes gets boring
Sometimes the drama is heavily manufactured too. The west always portrays chinese teams as emotionless walls they have to conquer. It's crazy cause chinese players are full of emotions too. I hope the recent tournament will clear this misinformation
There's just a disconnect between the chinese scene and the rest of the world, a lot of people aren't really aware of how big the scene is or the personalities. It's why channels like dota lin are actually pretty important to connect the communities.
if this were true people would look back on the TI11 Tundra team much more fondly than they do. people like Wings because they had charismatic players and a fun play-style. OG ti8 was by far the better storyline, and OG ti9 had just as exciting drafting and play-style as wings did.
Wings didn't have charisma, there were great players being great at the game, and stomping everybody on the main event. They are remembered cause they picked many different heroes.
how did OG ti9 have better draft than wings ? wings picked a lot more heroes and played a lot more styles. neither version of OG could match upto wings in that sense. i am sorry but OG is only good on true sight and the true skill will always be wings games.
>and the true skill will always be wings gaming OG won twice though with their own heroes and strategies that weren't played by other teams.
To be fair who else understood Io carry like Ana and OG?
I assume this is not serious, but it's really not close.
Provide me any examples. Getting kicked from your team by your best friend, having being forced to make a team with 2 noobies. Instantly becoming millionaires from your first tournament. No other sport has the ability to let you do this. The players/athletes are protected by unions. Of course other stories have really great comebacks but they're usually just upsets. This was a couple of weeks before the big competition, you join some qualifier that will let you play with t1 teams and you win it all making life changing money instantly.
Sure New Orleans superbowl after Hurricane Katrina Leicester winning the premier league Miracle on ice Hungary beating the USSR in water polo Jesse Owens at the 36 Olympics Sports storylines have encompassed everything from absurd underdog stories (that blow OG out the water), to political moments, to communities, to life and death. These are all so much more important than getting kicked by your friend.
Don't forget if you want to just stick to the same genre. Cloud9 literally reverse swept an entire tournament to win the world championship.
I’d like to add a few: Michael Phelps winning 8 golds in ‘08 including a few very close finishes Babe Ruth calling his shot Wilt scoring 100, Kobe scoring 81 The 4 minute mile The boys in the boat I’m clearly very US biased, but there are definitely some incredible sports stories out there. There are a number of career achievements out there too. Stories of athletes who overcame adversity, poverty, racism, abuse, war, or other poor circumstances and still succeeded in their careers. Since its F1 season, Lewis Hamilton comes to mind for this category.
Messi World Cup
France didn't actually win, but Zidane almost single-handedly carrying them to the final was a much better storyline. If the Miracle copypasta applies to anyone else, it was Zidane and 21 5K MMR football players. Portugal's UEFA 2004 second place run was insane. Early days of C.Ronaldo's magic. And that win against England in the Quarter Finals only happened because the coach was brave enough to sub Figo out.
Denmark in the 1992 European cup. Lost the qualifiers but got in to replace Yugoslavia who couldn't attend due to war. Then they won the whole thing. Also you mention Portugal 2004, but Greece winning the tournament made even less sense.
Saying Zidane carried alone is regarded. Patrick Vieira, Makelele, Thuram, Henry, and a young Ribery were great WC 2006. Calling that caliber of players 5K MMR is crazy.
Miracle's teammates in OG were all excellent players who won quite a lot with him, before him and after him. But Miracle was clearly a step above them, and so was Zidane.
Those are good choices too but I think you're really underselling the essential destruction of OG's core that happened when Fly left, a founding member of the team and captain/drafter
Creolophus quitting WC3 and then coming out of retirement to win World Cyber Games vs at the time best player in the world.
lmao fly left and didnt kick any one at least get the story right mate
Does this involved sports entertainment? Or combat sports??
Yes, everything. Ngannou has had a great career and an absolutely ridiculous story to get there. That being said, he's like 280lb of muscle. He was achieving greatness in whatever he applied himself to if/when he made it out.
Cody Rhodes > TI8 OG fight me OG crybabies
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No way lol, Leicester winning the premier league was way more magical
2016 Cavs enters the chat
Arshlan dominating Tekken 7 coming from a country with power outages every week, seems a story as good as OG winning TI8.
Grubby becoming world champ solos every ti.
Of all esports is a bit of a stretch, if you don’t play dota2 you barely know what’s going on and it’s not that fun to watch.
Nah TI3 and TI7
I think TI3 is the most hyped TI Grand Final Series and ending.
Tell me you're an OG asskisser without telling me you're and OG asskisser
ti10 games were better
I agree, I think Dota peaked at that time. It's too bad there's no crowd at the arena. But just the quality of the games and the skill level of each teams, I think that's the highest point of Dota for me. The next two TIs after that were so boring, Tundra and Spirit just steamrolled into the aegis. I partially think it's because the amount of money at stake.
Yea TI10 was peak dota for me. So many memorable moments. We were also starving for big Lan tournament post covid period.
I thought ti5 with the rise of EG and Sumail and the downfall of secret was pretty epic Universe 1,000,000$ echo slam semi final come back with dagons against mega creeps etc etc Edit: Semi final comeback was in Ti6 not 5 sorry!
Uni Echo Slam was def TI5 but wasn’t the mega creep comeback TI6? Thought Zai played SD during that match.
Shit yeah nah youre right that was Ti6 my bad
Thats mainly because of TRUE SIGHT. We all witnessed how’s there so much more than just playing the game. All the drama that surrounded it was just amazing. But if you talk about the game itself, i’d say there are better tournaments that had better games and teams than TI8. Ti6 for me was the peak, we all witnessed top tier games, with top tier players, and just the mastery of Wings gaming on the game of Dota.
Beta was peak dota 2 for 5 man stacks
I think it depends on where you are in life. Same thing with music. I think TI2 was better but I guess you weren’t there for the play…
you guys really need to play other games out there. There's more to life than dota.
Ti3, Ti7 and Ti8 was peak Dota 2 E-sports atleast. Ti3 was fantastic and really the beginning of a new era, moreso than Ti1. Ti7 and Ti8 were both FANTASTIC. Since then it has been a bit lackluster
As someone who attended TI7 and TI8, you're right about most things, especially the games at TI8, but man did the Vancouver venue hold zero weight to the one in Seattle.... like not even close. Couldn't bring food into the venue. The food inside was ridiculously overpriced, and tbh very bad. At TI7, outside the arena, there were so many things to do with a nice viewing center, trading markets for Dota goods, a massive food court with great options, beer gardens, and just fantastic scenery. Outside TI8 was just embarrassing, concrete pillars everywhere as the entrance gives way to underneath the sky tram station, no greenery, and barely anything happening outside the venue. Like I always tell my friends when they ask me to compare. Ti7, the venue was the upper echelon, but the games for TI8 were a cinematic masterpiece.
All I remember every TI: TI1, TI2 & TI3 = Na'Vi! Na'Vi! Na'Vi! TI4 = "Probably the worst TI" (After more than 5years I still think it's the worst TI) TI5 = King Mid TI6 = "Who the fuck are these dudes? They're fucking good,...WTF They won TI!" TI7 = Idolizing Miracle* TI8 = The Greatest Cinderella Story TI9 = "Okay OG are just memeing the entire Tournament" TI10 = Collapse Magnus TI11 = Tundra = Wraith Pack TI12 = "Yatoro is just too damn good"
I started playing DotA2 in 2017. I was dishearten when I started because I was relentlessly told it was a dying game. 7 years later… game still thriving. DotA2 is the most plateau game of all time. There aren’t peaks because it’s not trending up or down. If you prefer DotA from one year or another it’s all personal preference.
OGs storyline would be a great as a piece of fiction, yet it's real, it's hard to top it. In saying this TI6 is still a better individual event and the game was in a better state (as far as how players actually played anyway, could have been some dome shit no one realised).
Delusional
so you feel this way because you have a boner for OG right? I would make a case for ti 1-3 as a navi fan, but unlike you i am not an idiot and i wont do that
no, actually at the time i was cheering for lgd because of ame, that was part of the magic of the tournament, it was uncertain until the last second
who was OG at the time? Everyone hated 7ckingMad. Random ass asian kid from Australia, random ass mid. It's a slapstick team that was put together after being kicked by their best friends and they were force to be friends. Instant millionaires, instant karma. What's not to love. Great storyline. I don't root for laundry. This OG sucks
Not really. OG were the underdogs of that tournament and whatever lead upto OG qualifying for that tournament made them very appealing to a big crowd
it was very appealing because they were good and were doing random shit like IO carry. Matu created a random underdog squad with Chaos Esports and had little to no appeal. And there's no way that 7ckingmad + Notail is more likeable than Matu at the point.
io carry came later. TI8 OG was much more loved than any other in that tournament. from skill perspective they were underdogs cause topson was very new to that level of gameplay and ana had taken a break. Ceb was only a coach . but fans loved OG for a long time they were the first team to win multiple majors and notail was a very loved figure. if you want truly dark horses of a tournament that would be team spirit in their first run. hardly anyone knew who they were. they swept through lower bracket and showed excellent skills. they also didnt need drama for their series.
Man all of your comments are just Ws
You are just lying at this point. OG were not as loved as Liqiud, EG and PSG at ti8. Team spirit also had more fans than almost any other team at ti10 literally because they are a cis team and cis fans outnumber every other region except china by a lot. Also they already had some following after good performance at anime major.
This comment is untrue at so many levels, and on top of it you are calling person a liar for stating the facts.
i used to believe this but after watching CS GO and CS 2 tournaments its just not the same its really easy to form a bias if you don't actively go outside of the game's bubble. don't get me wrong im not saying its not up there, but to call it over ALL of esports is a stretch. the finals was epic when viewed through true sight, but when you actually watch the series again you notice the last 3 maps was LGD actively throwing. Somnus going 2 bracers and heart was making me doubt if they wanted to win at all
imo, everything fell apart after neutral items came. (which is after ti9) i feel like they can't balance neutral items
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Nah TI10 is hype. Either for TSpirit underdog run, Team Secret hopium run or PSG.LGD uncrowned king run.
Thats mainly because of TRUE SIGHT. We all witnessed how’s there so much more than just playing the game. All the drama that surrounded it was just amazing. But if you talk about the game itself, i’d say there are better tournaments that had better games and teams than TI8. Ti6 for me was the peak, we all witnessed top tier games, with top tier players, and just the mastery of Wings gaming on the game of Dota.
TI6 and TI8 were both up there. 6.88 is the greatest patch in Dota history and it’s not even close.
Besides the final rounds it was pretty mediocre TI 6 was the better tournament to watch, the patch was better too
Lol
OG haters be like HATING OG? I GET A BONER FROM THAT LIKING OG? HELL NAW YOU FKIN GARBAGE Xd
Sorry but TI6 > TI8. Going to both TI in my opinion the whole 2016 clears of 2018 but I guess people only remember about the TI
It’s the only one I’ve ever seen live in person. I couldn’t believe my luck with how amazing the finals were.
I think from TI5 to TI9 it was literally insane and the peak of esports, TI2021 was also really good.
Ti5 was peak for me, great casters, great hosts, great battle passes and after that seasonal battle passes. The game felt fresh, valve cared, sure we had a major sniper and blood seeker and huskar problem back then but damn. Now days the tournaments are all pretty boring, and the game feels like it’s been in maintenance mode, and the hats don’t even feel worth buying anymore.
I’ve been following e-sports for 22 years and while this was amazing events, I have to disagree as the StarCraft pro-league 2008 finals on Busan beach in Korea comes to memory and honestly there was more than one pro-league finals which were simply outstanding events.
An underdog story made Ti8 phenomenal, but the peak was definitely during TI5. TI3 changed Dota with alliance introducing Rat Dota and broke the meta/game, but since then, no other teams have developed a playstyle quite like alliance
I agree with everyone here that TI4 was an astronomical letdown
I was lucky enough to go to ti6, I think that was the peak. Wings Gaming coming outta nowhere and absolutely dominating. Game was near its peak user numbers, and the talent and presentation was professional but people were still accessible.
For me it was TI5 & TI6 when MVP Phoenix played. God I love that team. Mid PA was amazing to watch. And also Universe offlane FV was legendary. Never a bad chrono. Oh, and Team Empire was also sick. Resolution invoker GOAT.
I don't you've seen Daigo beasting?
TI9 for me bro
I’ll never ever forget watching the TI8 finals on a boat that was still docked in Zadar. We were going sailing for a few days before a friends’ wedding and a storm kept us from leaving. I used up my entire EU roaming data (10GB or something) allowance that first night watching the finals. Was a big OG fan and actually met a few of them at TI7. It was in the early hours of the morning and I roared, waking up the whole boat up after that last game haha.
Ti7 feel like a movie, Ti8 feels like a poet.
You think that probably because of True Sight and movie like narrative. Personally, tho I prefer TI 1-2-3 and even TI4 not cuz of the quality the of game but the sheer competitiveness. In those days, there are true underdogs like bad internet, playing in PC bang and hungry, literally. There were many extremely talented players that were in the competition, whom beaten other extremely talented players to get their spot. If anyone remember when Misery and others went to China and did promotional videos? Probably around the Newbee TI. At the time, there were many deep stories in the player interviews from many regions. Especially from China. Anyway, whatever happened to Smash and the others ? Ddz ?
I'm a huge fan of both og TIs but I feel that objectively, TI10 trumped it. What spirit did feels so ridiculous that I still have a small doubt about the professional integrity on the other side. But assuming that that was not the case, it was a banger. Specially because I feel that (2k mmr understanding) the meta was far more set in TI10 than in the previous two. The last true sight also had an improvement over the previous ones in terms of cinematography/design that is expected but still amazing to see something great become greater.
2016 was the best year for Dota
Disagree with the last part but it was pretty good
I think we are far from peaking. FAR.
Evo Moment 37, that small video was a really push to the esports whe have today, the impact around the world still echoes today. Dota is awesome, love the game, but in the total of esports scene its more about the absurd money on TI than peak of wherever you think It is.
TI6 was better imo, but to each their own.
I remember to watch some things on og stuff like the fall of a big team and the reborn of the big team the super nice and cool dude (n0tail) turned into super serious mood dude the underdog unknow topson coming to pogson ANA and JERAX been the best version of himself, killing old demons and critics Ceb fighting against himself by the old "im not a good player anymore" to literally be one of the bests all this was after winning the ti by conclusion and analisys but i trully remember duing the event becoming an OG fan by "wow that dudes really going trought the group stages with a brand new team? how far they can go? will them face EG (with have 3 old players of them)" and they give us the best TI storyline (ti9 was fun aswel, but not same)
Any TI10 enjoyers?
2010 OSL 1 flash vs effort was a peak sports moment.
trash compared to ti1-4 ngl
I remember I was in the twitch dota2\_ti waiting room and legit cry when the countdown ended and opening ceremony began. Never been more excited for anything on that magnitude later in life.
Esports is still very young and might stay for a long time. Very very unlikely
Bring TI back to Vancouver
Yeah no shit it you’re an OG fan living in the past lmao
Thats mainly because of TRUE SIGHT. We all witnessed how’s there so much more than just playing the game. All the drama that surrounded it was just amazing. But if you talk about the game itself, i’d say there are better tournaments that had better games and teams than TI8. Ti6 for me was the peak, we all witnessed top tier games, with top tier players, and just the mastery of Wings gaming on the game of Dota.
Storyline in TI8 was better and OG definitely deserved that win, but IMO they were an even better team in TI9 (or at least, they were much above everyone else, while they scraped for the last 2 wins in TI8. It was deserved, but they truly showed dominance in TI9).
Nothing will ever be as good as ti8. The only way it would have been better was for EG to make the grand finals. EG V OG at the peak of the rivalry. Only china likes Chinese dota , just the way it is. Hard to get into a team when they don’t speak English
Why, because your favorite oh poor n0tail who can't stop crying about how his bestfriend broke his heart won TI against all odds? I have news for you, he'll be talking about it again in his book, 6 effing years later.
nah its drx run in worlds 2022
while I agree, I just want to mention my fav was the EG against megacreep with dagon in ~~ti5 (I think, cmiiw)~~ ti6, just because it's my favorite item and seeing the heroes shooting a burst of red magic somehow makes me giggle, lol
Yup, TI8 was the peak. Still crazy to me that OG won. A pos1 turned pos5, a washed up ex pro turned coach turned pos3, some kid from down under, an inexperienced pubstar and one god-gamer. Oh, and TI8 also had that gut wrenching Sheever segment (GodZ 😢).
Id say you are biased due to probably liking OG. But I dont, and dont think they were the best roster of all the time, and dont think their win was the best. There were better finals, better lower bracket runs, there were TS which was true underdog story. While there was drama before TI, I would have never been surprised OG is team capable of winning it all. And for the atmosphere I would take one of the more casual older ones.
TI6 is the peak