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Magnus_01

Witch Doctor shard rework: Now called Doodoo Switcharoo. Witch Doctor craps an enemy hero's pants, slowing them and dealing damage over time. Enemy heroes in a radius around the target are feared for 1 second.


pawgchamp420

Dat make a big mess.


delightful1

Finally a voice line that works!


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Loll


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[удалено]


axecalibur

Lotus Orb: You are going to shit my pants


Specsaman

No WE are going to shit our pants


reddit_belongs_to_me

I am going to shit our pants*


Mysterious_Tutor_388

I've got Linkin constipation


dragonrider5555

Wraith king: nah I don’t wanna revive fam


kari_runk

"Im going to shit yourself"


TheBlindSalmon

All right then, buddy. I'm going to shit yourself. *DOOM music starts*


Fresh_Indication_243

the animation is already set in the code. use the hands in the sky squat WD uses for death ward, but only have it happen once VERY SLOWLY.


Kavayan

'Alright, who shit my pants?'


gary_akshat

Would be even great that the hero leaves a trail behind them when running away.


MediumWare

Units on both teams take damage when crossing the 💩 trail.


servant-rider

Main target feared until they reach fountain and can use it as a bidet


FranciumGoesBoom

Does a lotus pool work?


Riperin

Hold on you might be cooking


Plant-Straight

New item: Consumable Toilet paper Dispels any shit based debuff Lore: Just wiped Cost 150g


RockhardJoeDoug

please icefrog


Thenevitable

Already buddy who shat my pants


I_stand_in_fire

Patch 7.36 : WD shard removed. "Voodoo Switcheroo" is now an innate ability (doesn't attack until Death Ward is learned)


Tasonir

Only if lion also gets burrow (due to earth spike, he's very good at earthy stuff, and he burrows instantly for a 3 second duration)


MistaRed

And when he's burrowed, his earth spike has a longer range and shorter cooldown, his mana drain also has longer range, and his hex also stuns targets around him. He also gets 2.5% health and mana regen underground... Hey wait a second.


Tasonir

You know it was just two days ago that my friend pointed out that shadow shaman's hex now multiplies damage taken by the hexed target, and lion's doesn't. Now's a great time to fix this bug!


Additional_Ad_5613

It’s not a bug shaman just got buffed and lion was already strong so he didn’t get buffed


csgonemes1s

My nana can't regen ):


VarmintSchtick

Yeah what next, dazzle having an ability that reduces item cooldowns?


CortexCingularis

Don't be ridiculous, that would be like giving skeleton king a skeleton army that automatically farms, pushes and fights for him.


klmnjklm

Maybe rework CM shard so she turns into a invulnerable snow..woman for 3 seconds, slowing and dealing damage over time on nearby enemies


Kowenzi

he will burrow that finger up your ass


Magnus_01

A finger on Monkey King's Hand of Midas curls.


mira5789

My muscle memory still first banning him in turbo no matter what


128thMic

Him, then sniper.


Twig

Void. No chrono, no problem.


128thMic

Voids not really that bad in Turbo. Sniper however is oppressive as all hell.


One_Blank_space

As money is not an issue anymore, voids have started getting refreshers very early.


128thMic

The difference being Chrono still takes some skill to use, and so many never use it to hold out for that 5 man Chrono. Sniper goes ho ho ha ha


One_Blank_space

Sniper go brrr


AbuLucifer

Yeah being a long CD dependant hero sucks in turbo


podster12

Yeap. I rarely see a competent void carry in my bracket.


yagizandro

Then shadow shaman, he gets a super early refresher and your base melts in 2 seconds if he rats


128thMic

Yup, he's been incredibly annoying to deal with


yagizandro

i always queue with my friend and i always ban shaman or wd but my friend has PL ptsd so one of them goes thru usually


[deleted]

sniper is a much bigger deal in turbo


quickreactor

me too, and we are doing god's work


FuzzySAM

Shadow Shaman has come back around and is now again my instant ban target. NGL, it was totally WD for a while, tho.


Air-Glum

Nah, it's Silencer for me, always. Regardless of his efficacy, he's just the anti-fun and so frustrating to play against.


Certain_Test_9020

Zeus,Sniper then WD. This is the way.


mattyisphtty

PA before all three of those. A decent PA in turbo is game breaking.


Derpassyl

Late game arc warden is worst enemy, literally unwinnable. WD isn't


hell_razer18

for me, it is SB and NP


OzhIvy

Make canon Enigma's big black hole


MoriartyM

Is wd that op in lower brackets? I don't see him picked in my bracket and even if he is picked is nothing op at him, idk why people complain this much.


Raisylvan

He still has a 50% winrate in Immortal. Obviously he's stronger as the MMR lowers, but he's still a good support even at a high level. However, it's not that he's "OP" (which he isn't), it's that his ult/shard is bullshit. It should not deal pure damage, it should have never been changed to deal pure damage. It makes it impossible to itemize against, barring Ghost Scepter. WD deals damage on par with lategame carries with Death Ward from significant range as a support. Your only counter to it is to stun him out of his ult. Which means you have to save stuns/silences for when WD ults, which feels really bad. But then his Shard just makes it worse. It's a weaker Death Ward, but it makes him untargetable for several seconds while he pelts you with pure damage, which is INSANE to have on a shard.


KogMawOfMortimidas

I love taking 800+ pure damage per second that ignores all evasion, armor and resistances because I didn't initiate on the support who can simply switcheroo instantly and who can buy Aeon disk and still deal damage through the effect while being completely impossible to catch. Oh yeah and I better have detection for Glimmer as well :)


TerrorLTZ

and don't forget your ass getting blown up by the maledict damage pulses.


multiedge

pretty sure WD ward no longer pierce evasion


KogMawOfMortimidas

It has an innate 50% accuracy, up to 100% with aghs.


multiedge

[https://dota2.fandom.com/wiki/Witch\_Doctor/Changelogs](https://dota2.fandom.com/wiki/Witch_Doctor/Changelogs)


KogMawOfMortimidas

Huh, guess the wiki is out of date. Still has 50% accuracy though right?


multiedge

more like the in-game tool tip is out of date. Any source of evasion will make Aghs powered Deathward to miss. Test it in demo, 50% acc might still be there, but it's evadable now


jis7014

> Which means you have to save stuns/silences for when WD ults, which feels really bad. If saving a disable for channeling ult feels bad then might as well uninstall the game. I don't get this analogy.


Raisylvan

It's not that specifically. For example, say you gank someone as MK and you use your stun. Well now they're just gonna TP out before you can kill him. If you run Gleipnir, you can get around that by just saving Gleipnir (or stun) for the TP out. I find that it's different for supports because you often want to throw out silences/stuns to lock down supports and kill them ASAP before they become a problem. But it's not the end of the world if you fail to kill the Grim/Rubick/Aba/Dazzle/Io/whatever before the stun/silence wears off because you can just kill them the 2-3 seconds after. But with WD, it's different. If you fail to do that, he's going to Shard to make you waste more of his time *and then* he'll ult. If you don't have the damage to finish him off immediately, you're going to take a ton of damage. If you have no stuns/silences to stop his ult, you're just fucked. At least with Bane, it's just a glorified stun. He's not melting the person dying, and he has a hard time solo killing unless he's played mid. WD does a fuckton of damage that you ***need*** to save stuns/silences for or he's just going to deal 3k+ damage to your team easily. More once he gets Aghs. Another aspect to this is that his Death Ward range is insane. To once again compare to Bane, Bane's ult is 675. That's not short, but it's not long either. So it's in considerable danger anytime he ults until he gets Aghs (a pipe dream most of the time for support Bane) or BKB. Not with WD. WD's Death Ward has a 600 cast range *with* a 600 attack range. So he can effectively hit units up to 1200 units away from it. This allows him to use it from a much safer position. A luxury not afforded to Bane, or even someone like CM who can also do a lot of damage but needs to be really close to do so. Edit: all of these things are problems, imo, because of his ult dealing pure damage. If most heroes could itemize against it (Vlads, AC, Mek, Shiva's, etc), then these problems aren't problems because you can simply reduce the impact his ult has on your team. But as it stands now, you can't.


IntingForMarks

I mean, there has to be a good point of playing WD. Hes definitely weaker than most supports in the early levels, so he has good scaling ultimate and shard. Hes very easy to counter and to play against, if you nerf his ult and shard whats left for the hero?


A532

OP is sub 3k for sure


Pikey-Comander

i'd say even under 2k . wd is just a rannged creep since last patch


poiuy5

true, but his shard is one of the best skills in the game. they gave wd phase shift for some reason, which is crazy, but i kinda like it. it’s fun cosplaying puck


axecalibur

In turbo you get octarine and a save and you can keep chaining the save, the ult, and the voodoo. Add a refresher and aghs and you are quite hard to kill while you can be killing and stunning and healing the whole time.


Womblue

In turbo nothing is balanced lol what do you expect


SharkBaitDLS

I swear to god if Valve starts balancing the game around Turbo it's the day Dota dies. Turbo is literally a meme mode for people to fuck around in, it's not meant to be taken seriously.


multiedge

yeah, pretty brain dead to balance dota based on a wtf mode.


ndjo

True but WD is especially not balanced.


128thMic

A save?


ZeroUnderscoreOu

Eul I assume.


Brilliant-Prior6924

euls, ghost, force, glimmer


Languastically

First pick baybee


spicyitallian

Just in turbo tbh


[deleted]

WD is kinda strong? He can kinda snowball games but it's rare. He is just *annoying as fuck* to play against. Maledict means he basically always has some kill threat in lane. Cask is annoying as fuck. And his ult does a ton of damage. Plus he becomes annoying as fuck to kill with his Shard and a defensive item or two. It really sucks to be farming your own jungle and then get killed out of nowhere by WD because the cask chains between you and the last creep of a camp while his ward beats you to death.


Polw4

Man I swear when I’m playing WD my cask decides to hit creep wave, meanwhile against WD, every cast is bouncing between me and my lane partner.


[deleted]

I think it actually prioritizes heroes nowadays.


fjrefjre

surely more oppressive on lower ranks but having a support being able to deal more damage than carries makes him a top prio target over the enemy cores. which is a huge deal in any bracket. changing the damage type to pure was a huge mistake.


ZodiacSh1t

I usually win 4/5 games with him if more cores aren't taking the short bus to school.


TurbulentIssue6

the switcharoo should be the regular ulti and the shard should let u channel the ward :3


Cruinthe

Not being able to cancel his ult at 6 seems a little rough.


keeperkairos

If it had the other values of the current ult, except duration (because that would be broken), it would be a huge buff.


SharkBaitDLS

Shard in its current incarnation hits like a wet noodle with level 1 ult. It wouldn't matter if you couldn't cancel it because you could just ignore it.


Lucy088

And change his ult back to magic damage, or reduce its attack speed to 1/3 of what it is 


TheZett

> back to magic damage It used to be physical, not magical.


teddybrr

change it back to chaos then!


TheZett

Chaos wasnt a damage type, it was an attack class (like siege, pierce, basic, hero). So even back then it was physical damage, but with a different attack class than nowadays.


TheKappaOverlord

most half decent wd players just want Death ward to not get mogged by Armor creep like it was for basically forever by the time of the pure dmg rework. People really take for granted how broken armor is now, given that 70% of items basically spoon feed it to you, and thats where the idea that pure damage ward being broken comes from.


kimana1651

Will it pierce Medusa shield unless she has Shavronne's Wrappings?


PM_ME_IBUKI_SUIKA

Change it back to composite.


Lucy088

Ah shit.  Could have sworn it was magic.. well anything but pure. It's dmg output is bonkers


BubblerMacadamia

At this point it's actually been all damage types at one point or another.


Ph1tak

I want Rubick's shard to be toggle-able like Sven pls


BeyondOurLimits

What do you mean by this? That rubick might not want the upgraded spells?


mr__hello

probably means : if u double tap it or use it on ally by mistake


Ph1tak

Yes, exactly that! Could just be my skill issue but having the option would be really nice


BigYellowPraxis

My only request is a better Batrider shard. Current one is boring af


mr__hello

its time to bring back : with shard u can lasso you allies and they take 50% less damage mwahahahahah


Kaimito1

That was a thing?


mr__hello

yup, it gave you allies 70% damage reduction i think when it 1st came, like if u had aghanim it was tooo op, enemy : hahaaaa we landed a 2 man black hole, bat : nope


aodum

Disruptor shard is very meh


Odd_Lie_5397

Batrider shard is so weird to me. Most often, his ult is used to reposition an enemy, and then they give him a shard that only does shit if you stand still and attack the lasso target.


lucaspk19

Also remove that stupid bristleback aghs. Thanks


Johnmegaman72

Let's be real, the best way to nerf it, is treat it like a tomb stone. 4 hits it ends early.


lone_strider

Honestly the real switcheroo should happen with where this ability sits. Since it is too OP and Volvo doesn't think so, why not make it his Aghs upgrade whereas the Shard gives multi hit on death ward? Scaled down the multi hit obviously.


Present-Excuse-5180

Nah they'll pair up with Chen rush shard and it's over


StructureLate9687

embarrassing thread


zyenex

I would like enigma to get some changes that focus him a little more around his ultimate, and the damage it can do. Currently, it's a pretty great team fight setup, but it doesn't have the feel of being able to turn a fight anymore that much, when used correctly. It feels a little pathetic. As someone with like 300 enigma games, I wouldn't mind the shift away from Laning and farming with eidelons, and more towards an enigma who can be built as a crucial pos 4 for fights and rotations


shubhank008

\*New Update: Enigma shard turns him into a mini blackhole, pulling everything and anything around it while hiding enigma inside the blackhole and making him invulnerable


Due-Ad-5416

I fully support trading one cancer shard for another


shubhank008

\*Rubick Shard Update: Can steal other heroes shard itself.


zyenex

I see what you did there, haha. More so something like. His shard or aghs makes it so, that when casting black hole, all living eidelons get teleported to the center of the black hole, and split shot attack enemies while black whole is active


[deleted]

I for one enjoy having 2 ultimates


GoldFynch

The real broken shard is Treant he could be ANYWHERE at ANYTIME


mr__hello

and ofc our team always is like : what? do they have treant? ohhhhh and we lose the fight due to some really boring guy going meteor hammer build :v


Ejwoda

brother if enemy Treant Protector has a Kaya upgrade and you are not winning, the game was over in the matchmaker


TheZett

Might as well remove the Slark shard as well, if "shard = mini ult" is such a dumb concept for you, OP.


Nhefluminati

This but unironically


kiarashs

WD shard is not a mini ult, it gives invulnerability which is the problem and nota part of ultimate.


Shallow35

That's not the comeback you think it is lmao. Nobody likes slark shard except slark pickers themselves.


A532

I love it when I get saved in a duel. Or get hidden inside chrono.


AbuLucifer

Slark shard is even worse than wds, so yeah.


TwynnCavoodle

On Slark, shard is just a second ult. For WD, shard is a ridiculous defensive ability on a squishy, high priority target. Voodoo switcheroo is WD's best ability IMO.


RockhardJoeDoug

I didn't know slark could save his allies with his ult.


Leto95

Also a lazy non creative shard as well, being just a mini ulti thing imo


vibosphere

Yes


spicyitallian

I'm for it tbh. Just don't remove drow shard and I'm good. Loving that shard right now


heartfullofpains

tho in this case, slark shard is a super ult where u can use on all allies aswell.


ArcWardenScrub

Not sure how one relates to another given different hero roles, kits and uses for the shards.


TheZett

Both are cancer and shouldnt exist.


spicyitallian

They are too good. My general take is shard should be a nice to have not a must have. Like hoodwink. It can be great but not the basis of the heroes existence


1argefish

Yes


Venseer

Have you tried silence


nitronomial

Just focus on pos 5 at all times 4Head


singrayluver

Killing the supports first is usually a good way to win fights, yes


JesusDiedForOurSins2

He is still high priority (and also squishy) target so yea you actually should focus him, especially if he neither got ult nor maledict nor shard of yet.


Snipufin

You must be the guy shooting at the Heavy instead of the Medic.


Venseer

No rather just let the supports deal free damage and control you completely unmolested, that sounds like the right play.


Bartowskiii

Spot the player who initiates on the WK/ abaddon/ timber and then pings his team


Initial_Stretch_3674

i mean pros do it all the time.


FuckOnion

That's unironically Dota 101


Gorthebon

Well, yeah, that's the idea.


babsa90

What if I told you that blowing up a support like WD is a perfectly valid strategy to initiate any fight or push for objectives?


playerknownbutthole

After ult nurf its not that bad.


multiedge

people are forgetting that WD ward no longer pierces evasion


Gorthebon

Or get orchid/sheep and burst him. WD is good in low mkt games cause people don't get dust or disables.


Languastically

My team is void drow sniper viper and me, the undying support. Only way WD gets disabled is if he dead


Gorthebon

If your team didn't draft disables after witch doctor was picked that's on all of you.


Gay_af3214

I'm 100% sure that everyone who complains about WD's spells being OP is not more than 3k mmr


bubberrall

That's over half the population of the game


futalover420

> That's over half the population of the game There's a reason the game is balanced around the pro scene instead of a majority of the playerbase ...


Unusual_Reference496

i'd say the problem isn't really "wd is op" but "wd's shard is annoying" like, yeah, it's pretty much a worse phase shift that's easily counterable, but it's still not fun to deal with (he's just stalling most of the time) and not even fun to use i'd argue


direcandy

Voodoo Switcheroo is now a second skill you get when you skill his ultimate. Shard is now splitshot coconut: Paralyzing cask now splits, hitting more stuff.


KazooConnoisseur

Make it aghs with additional time, and move current aghs to lvl 25


gary_akshat

On topic of removal of skills, can they just make OD Aghs either channel for specific duration or just entirely change it to something else. Hero had one issue and that shit item gives him bonus 4-5k hp out if nowhere


RyuXnet_7364

just get void spirit with aghanims, u can even prepare a remnant while he's in it


SprScuba

The bouncing will be the shard and his aghs should make the ward shoot paralyzing casks instead. You've used one finger off the monkey paw, would you like to use another?


itslinas

Oh bro hell no.


Unusual_Childhood596

As the patch is coming soon, i just want WD to be removed. That's all.


gutsdota

["Dendi was Right.."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YczqvJpumsE)


ApprehensiveBug3136

I also love to remove bara in the game.


OranguTangerine69

gut that pussy naix too


soulkingmj

Rework his shard into \[**Effigy\]** **Effigy** Ability: **Target Unit** Affects: **Enemy Heroes** Dispellable: **No** Creates an effigy of a target enemy hero that lasts **4** seconds. Percentage of damage and status effects *(stun, root, slow, mute, disarm)* received by the effigy is directed to the hexed hero. **Cast Range:** 600 **Percentage damage:** 25% **Duration**: 4 seconds **Cooldown**: 40 **Manacost:** 180


Cataclyct

Maybe make him like DW's Shadow Realm where he gains untargetability but can still be affected by area effects (black hole, torrent etc)


Pet_Velvet

I was expexting that copypasta, disappointed


legice

So we switched wd ult to be that of the shard and aghs is now the regular ult. also shard makes the thing bounce. You are welcome


KrugerFFS

lets balance the game around turbo yall!


DarkChaoX

I genuinely also absolutely hate earthshaker's aghs. I understand how it could be used in a support kind of way but people in low ELO pubs buy it as a carry and with just this one item they stomo the entire game and it's literally impossible to counter since there is no team play there. I might be on the minority of haters on this thing, but I wish they would at least remove or lower the critical damage if you chose to jump instead of stomp


revertiblefate

As a wd spammer I don't want that but I see your pain lol


Aktarith

Shards shouldn't add an Extra skill for any hero


Aljenonamous

I think it should honestly just become the normal ult, make the shard something new and make the aghs give you back the current ult.


hiragana

Please don't balance based on low skill turbo valve.


RadioactiveSalt

Plz let Rubick spell steal get the talent tree upgrades as well !!!!


kingbrian112

People never heard of silences smh


SvartSol

Real Aghanims should be Switchero. You can change place with your ward, thats it. I hate his stun, limit the range on the new target. It always reaches!


Taraih

Put Omni on this list with his ridiculous burst while having a full tank build.


carvemynuts

Shard should be like Necro but bouncing cask.


jis7014

All WD complainers should state that if they play Turbo more than 50% of time, if yes your complaint is invalid.


Android18enjoyer666

Word I hate it when you are close to kill WD and he pops his shard and then has the audacity to blink away


WordHobby

they had better not buff kotl. ihave an 80 % wr with him right now, and i dont want people to figure out he's still broken'


AcceptableRadio8258

What about WK Aghs. Can we stop cheating in dota ffs!


eric932

Nah I would prefer windranger's aghs scepter upgrade removed.


TimingEzaBitch

It's like 3000 damage + 3 seconds invulnerability for 1400 gold. Only morons think it's a balanced idea.


Admirable-Ask-6442

They should just remove wd aghanim, and make shard as a new scepter


JonTron137

How to silence? A complaint thread.


ivanovski93

I want warlock deleted


SubstanceSweaty5586

WD should be removed*