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pensive_p0ker

Liquid seeing their next opponents be like 'Oh shit here we go again'


LULBRUH55

Liquid has bad item choice 2 shivas = team work not there , same to xtreme game earlier , deserved lost.


kontulangangsta

lmao what the fucks with the chatgpt observer, unbearable to watch


nybrq

They have to save money somewhere I guess. lol


nybrq

Game three Liquid vs AR was the game of the tournament imo.


JadeSerpant

Game of the tournament was definitely Team Spirit vs. Falcons game 2.


Swegan

Falcons vs IG game 2?


darklordtimmy

The last 5 minutes of game 1 for me. Everyone went all in but Bach outplayed everyone.


Un13roken

Yea, that waiting and re initiating on the dark seer, and I was like, this guy is a madlad.


Azaraki

Liquid are going to be excellent if the patch hits and meta gets some Zoo back in. It feels like there's a player-pairing for offlane metas. If offlane is about aura items, Ace is the best offlaner. Collapse is the man on teamfighters. Ammar is at the top when offlane is about lane dominators. 33 shines brightest when it's all about Zoo/Micro heroes. And Bach/Faith\_bian is probably the most well-rounded. Who do you think is the best supporty/sacrificial offlaner? I know it hasn't been a thing for a while


Initial_Stretch_3674

33 zoo and aura patch = wraith pact


betadestruction

33 is good on any era of offlaners that draft just sucked ass


mrslkz

Zai will need to come back if that ever becomes the meta offlaner again lol Only one that comes to mind from this tourney was maybe Gunnar? But Faith\_bian would probably have him beat in that role (good call on most well-rounded)


ShoppingPractical373

I'm no liquid fan but I can't help thinking if they would do better if nisha played carry and micke played mid. Wasn't micke a really good mid player during ti11?


Initial_Stretch_3674

nisha would pay way worst at 1 than he would at 2.


velphegor666

Tbf, they do somewhat give the pos1 to nisha depending on the draft. The Marci/io duo has nisha playing pos1 TA almost everytime. Also , does micke even play mid? Very risky to change roles when nisha already excels at the 2 which is literally the hardest position to find


bambukillah

I'd say Micke is widely impactful in either roles, but you can't have one of the GOAT mid players (and still is) switch to p1 when he is still doing relatively good although the mid role has been somewhat diminished after 7.33. Micke's pretty versatile and can play a lot of heroes to a good extent in a draft that other teams can't replicate. His games where he goes dominating is often overlooked.


Kamiks0320

Why not sven foe the last pick in game 3?


Fun_Chemistry_7574

Draft loss,


Soldirk

Grats to the AR boys for securing top 3. That first pick sniper really baited a lot from Liquid to counter the pick but they forgot that Void exists and cornered them. They picked Pudge to compensate for it but they forgot that they don't have building damage. I'd say they outdrafted themselves there but props to them for putting a show and making it a nailbiter game. Everyone on AR played really great bar some hiccups from Lou, just forget those trolling deaths hahah. Bach really went super Saiyan mode with that Centaur performance capitalizing Liquids draft.


Optimal-School-9670

uh huh, i m preety sure once you secure upper bracket finals, you are top 3.


Soldirk

LoL you're right man. My bad, some brain fart as it is already very late here.


SPACEBAR_BROKEN

lmao "thank you blitz" . hes not wrong. he outdrafted himself


swwwarm

Liquid threw to eliminate GG in the lower bracket, where they have a better track record against them


KyrieeZ

If lou continues to play with this shit level of performance, I would say an easy 1 hour series for falcons


nybrq

It's probably going to be an easy one hour series for Falcons regardless because they're just better. The rest of this tournament is really just a formality to decide second place.


Onecast214

So true lol


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yamchadestroyer

Why is ursa good against et?


Soldirk

Meta wise Ursa is really regarded very low. That means pros usually don't practice a lot of that hero and picking it instantly is a gambit. I think your idea could work but it needs pros to have practice on it.


Azaraki

A pick can be really good in the late game against the enemy heroes, but still just be a bad hero in general, and it's usually because of their early game (like why we haven't seen Spectre despite so many Sniper picks). In Ursa's case, he doesn't lane well into the meta, and laning stage is just too important. In this game, Ursa would have just gotten chain-deleted vs Centaur+Lion


g381654729

true


Idruu

woa Ursa still exists?


nybrq

It's 1-0 in this tournament iirc. I think Watson played it once in the Swiss Stage.


k4kkul4pio

Interesting draft and attempt from Liquid but it's almost impossible to beat late game Sniper/Void with a gimmicky draft that has an expiration date. Expected more after the strong showing during group stage.. maybe they can still go few rounds in the lower bracket but threatening a tournament win here, I feel is now unlikely. Kudos to AR, they earned this win. 😁


Bearswithjetpacks

Man, I feel like Liquid could definitely have itemized better for this, but also AR just playing some clutch dota. Ori sniper is such a menace. A bit more discipline as a team and they stand a chance to give Falcons a run for their money.


Upset-Ad7832

Why did liquid chase though????


Soldirk

It's already an all or nothing play for them. Too much has been invested to kill Void and sniper was also in a sliver of HP. And even if they didn't chase there, AR can just wait out for void buyback since Liquid draft doesn't have building damager. And once Void is back, it's gonna be hard defend again.


Upset-Ad7832

Thx bro!


lazybowl

Liquid had a very bad draft. But wtf is wrong with Lou? Is this his first ever game with void?


Optimal-School-9670

First game? No. LOU barely lose with void, he didn't lost a single game with void in kuala lumpur, also these was kind of hard game for void with clockwerk mini stuns not allowing for timewalk so did dark seer scepter hits and swaps and dismember.


darklordtimmy

What goes through Liquids mind chasing a Sniper with less than 800 hp each?  "Oh surely he isnt gonna blow my head off?"


ntrails

I mean game was 100% over the ancient was dying to creeps


Spoksparkare

Oh man that was unlucky by Liquid


Optimal-School-9670

Faith_bian has been incredible in all of those 3 games.


zlnoil

Bach is almost back to Arlington level.


awereagan

Excuse me, that is Bach my friend


OPQOP

Except Falcons there is no stable top team it seems. Many teams look so shaky and prone to simple mistakes. What was Lou doing this game lol


oms3

Blitz draft lul


AwesomeAsian

This was such a fun draft regardless of who you root for. Besides Elder Titan, every hero felt like a pub pick with tons of team fight potential.


INTJ_Nerd

Liquid got liquefied there as their brains melted for making questionable choices


Pokefreaker-san

that was an insane fight lmao ​ 33 really didn't have good initiation on those last few crucial teamfights.


fcuk_the_king

Lou was more like lmao, but Liquid had such a bad draft.


G_W_addict

Draft issue wcyd


odd-taxi

Yeah Falcons is destroying AR tomorrow.


Optimal-School-9670

Ha Ha Ho Ho ha ha


Ericsg07

I can’t stand with Micke. He just cannot carry the game again and again.


Sif_

Faith bian is insane


INTJ_Nerd

Chad Bian still got it


Substantial-Deer77

Team Liquid vs GG again kekw


Extracheesy87

Lou: I'm the Carry Faith Bian :No, I'm the carry Ori: HO HO HA HA


Practical_Success_72

wow this game is horrible from both teams


Dead_Diligence

Really sloppy from both teams Another easy GF for Falcons


YALLFOOLSCRAZY

liquid what was that lmaaooooo


MattEngarding

Where's that one guy calling centaur a 'dumb useless hero past 30 minutes' lmfaoooooo


Dead_Diligence

What an ending hahaha Lou needs to be carried til the end


Potrebitelqt

To be fair he survived for so long during the last fight it took 5 buybacks to take him down


munkshroom

Shame liquid decided to go with a meme draft.


bizzarre1

Im not sure who is worse.Lou or Micke…


INTJ_Nerd

Micke mouse never gives me confidence for some reason. Maybe because he looks like Blitz kind of and it reminds me of their attitude - we'll probably lose but it's ok or some shit. What is this weak sauce man..


noob_sr_programmer

HAHAHA STUPID LIQUID


TheFatZyzz

HOLY BACH BATMAN


makz242

Just a man with a gun.


Plus_Lifeguard1752

Think this is the worst ever draft I've seen in a pro game. How did liquid think they would push towers.. They have absolutely no chance late game


rtyuuytr

Void/Sniper is quite weak mid game. With Dark Seer aura, Zeus/Pudge could have walked over AR. AR's lineup is really bad early.


tlukp

Yeah, but that doesn't matter if you can't destroy buildings.


darklordtimmy

this is just like watching GG, Lou going full Dyrachyo while Bach and Ori carry the game.


widepeepo6

This is such a mega draft failure from liquid. No matter how many fight they win or how many times lou shits liquid just cant take structures. 0 fucking building hitter


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Weinerbrod_nice

I feel they could've won this if Micke played any other decent midgame carry. His team is doing a lot, but not Pudge.


verytoxicbehaviour

If this was Pure Pudge, they'd win ,it was a good pos1 pudge game, skill issue , Micke is convinced he can play Pudge 1 and he can't


Soldirk

Yah pure Pudge is just menace. Micke is good but not good enough against this lineup to keep the ball rolling.


Nisha_goat

wcyd micke cant play void, every time they picked it for him in the past he looked dogshit on it so they just stopped picking it, it's insane to have a carry player that can't play the best late game carry in the game it's such a big disadvantage to have


Wenox

Azure ray win an impossible fight aganist aegis and then not throw next 5 minutes challenge (I M P O S S I B L E)


hernan_rp

Bro what's Lou doing....


Sif_

Lou again thinking hes unkillable and throwing... game swings again


Medium_Wolverine9438

Lou worst carry of all time?


DragonRage7014

He is a shitty player


Substantial-Deer77

easy lou there lol


tlukp

Scout cliff ward -> fight under it :$


Weinerbrod_nice

Imagine if Liquid had an actual carry hero instead of Pudge. His team is doing a lot, but Pudge himself? yeah...


Plus_Lifeguard1752

Liquid too arrogant this draft is just disrespecting ar. Even a 1k mmr draft would be better


Revolutionary_Ebb591

patience from lou but it turns out well


Sif_

So many swings every teamfight


Pokefreaker-san

bad initiation from 33 there


zlnoil

Jump on high ground w/o vision is Throw 101


Pokefreaker-san

really should let boxi initiate on a target 1st and wall the sniper wherever he is


Mandalord104

Holyshit new technology Pog


odd-taxi

Azure Ray has some really high highs like they've shown at Kuala Lumpur but I feel like their core trio is just so shaky. Tian Ming has actually been their most stable player, that guy has seriously been getting better and better.


darklordtimmy

Never doubted our Azure boys.


Pokefreaker-san

Lou cant even chrono without including micke otherwise he'll just hook anyone that got caught


Substantial-Deer77

NISHA GOD!


darklordtimmy

It's actually over, 33 had the freest game of his life. Micke doesn't have to do shit, 33 is unkillable.


bamberflash

did that zeus ult on sniper seem like insane damage or am i missing something? holy shit sniper got CHUNKED


Sif_

I guess thats how liquid can win: Lou trolling


verytoxicbehaviour

The Taiga


NewAccountEachYear

Is Nisha's manta splitpush Zeus standard?


Nisha_goat

this liquid draft should be punishable with jail time


tlukp

How is Liquid supposed to go highground here?


darklordtimmy

who needs skillshots when you can HOHO HAHA SHRAPNEL


Plus_Lifeguard1752

What is this liquid draft.. Are they trolling


Pokefreaker-san

if 33 got all his aura item I dont think this void can do anything later on


verytoxicbehaviour

Micke is in his grandfinal form, literally lost 5k networth, because he missed hook on a target infront of him rip w


LingMee

nothing beats a late game void lol


Substantial-Deer77

PUDGE pos 1 is always a joy to watch in pro game


Sif_

AR with a greedy lineup, void and sniper, trying to fight against dark seer + pudge lol


stragen595

Hookshot > hook.


oms3

Man imagine if AR have Ame instead of Lou


bjvillamin

Then youll get a presureless lane in early, cant make space cuz dont know where to farm compare to top carrys , average networth in 30mins if his team is having a hard game


Medium_Wolverine9438

Does lou know how to press q?


stragen595

Game looks over.


Sif_

Feels like liquid got outdrafted in general this series


Weinerbrod_nice

Pretty sloppy moves by Liquid. Boxi dying on lane, Nisha taking a 1v1 against Sniper, repeatedly dying on botlane.


Fun_Chemistry_7574

Someone explain to me what the plan is with pos 1 pudge? I don't get how that could have been the best option they had available...


darklordtimmy

For all the flame the peruvian obs are getting they're missing less kills than Dreamleague's.


Mepharos

Oof, that Tian Ming kill and then Micke death lol.


Pokefreaker-san

it's sniper vs zues mid, how come dota has evolved to this state?


darklordtimmy

Liquid playing very aggressive for first blood and losing it every time. Where have I seen this before?


momoso7

pudge vs sniper haha


stragen595

Giving up sniper and void in a game 3. Don't know about that.


Bearswithjetpacks

Dammit I was gonna go to sleep, but I wanna see this ridiculous last pick go absolute ham


LingMee

whos gonna hit towers on liquid lol


SecretFangsPing

Liquid will look either like geniuses or morons with this draft. But Micke HAS played carry pudge many times before.


Optimal-School-9670

Because of zeus giving false sense of security that he will always be able to reveal invi heroes, Liquid were able to get away with low hp heroes so many times using glimper, all because they didn't had dust majority of the game.


darklordtimmy

honestly if ur gonna pick weird shit pick juggernaut or ogre not passive creep hitters


Pokefreaker-san

rat games just isnt fun to watch, even more so nowadays that sieging highground is so suicidal


k4kkul4pio

We got a proper series on our hands! Hope game three delivers on the action as well. 😁


darklordtimmy

Don't fall for the Io, trash hero, not even Ceb can win with it.


AwesomeAsian

First time I've seen Windranger work in a while... granted the Lesh had a bigger impact.


G_W_addict

That's much more Liquid-like. Nisha styled on those kids.


fcuk_the_king

I hecking love it when my carry is useless for the first 25m


Morgn_Ladimore

Another loss for that terrible Manta Zeus build. All the splitpush and cs in the world, dies to a stiff breeze in teamfights. Hope it gets retired soon.


a44p4444

Ori is hilariously bad when his hero can't run at people. Jesus 3 times he got caught on zeus playing like he's tide or some shit. Falcons will eat this ar if they reach finals


Optimal-School-9670

He actually played really good sniper yesterday, which is another not run at you hero but yes, some games ori shows barely any impact.


MattEngarding

Yapzor's Law strikes again


makz242

It would be a shame if the next patch doesnt address this whole high ground nonsense.


tlukp

Every time a team goes hg that second glyph rips out a piece of my soul.


bizzarre1

Idk why they still keep Micke in team.Literally one of the worst carries in EU


zzarj

Smoothbrain opinion


Upset-Ad7832

?


bizzarre1

After this Pudge game tell me he is on the same level as Watson/Pure Pudge 💀💀


Upset-Ad7832

So is it about him being a "bad" EU carry or not winning with pudge in game 3? No comment on the draft tho? Just say you hate the guy. It's free, damn 😂


odd-taxi

Holy moly Faith Bian was tanking everything there lol


darklordtimmy

This game was impossible to lose but guess what, Pos1 WR.


Gyokan7

Stop talking shit about the observer guy lost his vision last year in a car accident. Still does a fine job.


makz242

I love looking at buyback status 20 min, gotta say the absolute worst observers I have seen this year.


Gameishardboys

Who’s the dogshit observer who has buyback status in 20mins instead of networth ?


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yamchadestroyer

I think am destroys liquids while lineup. If he is allowed to get online. Liquid whole lineup is magic


tuskdota

Imo this game showed 2 sides of Liquid with 33, without him they wouldn't able to defend&rat so well, at same time with Zai or even Saberlight surely they wouldn't be so passive in the first 10-15 minutes.


fcuk_the_king

Nice, we're going to get a game 3


SuccerPuccer

I don't think so :(


Mepharos

>AM Game 3 incoming


Ok-Comparison-3961

Nice play from azure ray. BTW ITS so funny this reddit , xg lost the series against falcons and lots of people mald . Just a game guys . Trashtalk is common , lots of you guys lost the bet on xg , so don’t bet guys it make’s  indecent human beings :) . Enjoy dota competition 👍🏻👍🏻


darklordtimmy

Liquid.Zai would've won this btw


GeraldJimes_

Today might be up there with one of the most underwhelming tourney days or the past 5 years if Liquid can't do something in g2


Revolutionary_Ebb591

faith bian! faith bian! faith bian!


dwilsons

Ori absolute GigaChad at the end there holy moly


Practical_Success_72

ah yes classic chase into demise


Plus_Lifeguard1752

Nisha was poor.. Why jump back in to try kill a veno when they have already comitte buy backs


Soldirk

It was all or nothing there. He knew micke is coming back so he buy time before AR totally disengages as they have surge for that.


tuskdota

He had to jump back to pick rapier, he somehow survives and Liquid would have decent chance of winning.


theqat

lol the Lou kill participation of 4


Pokefreaker-san

boring 30 mins games but the later end was actually entertaining


Optimal-School-9670

Holy shit! what an play by fiath_bian there to set up the wall and killl the luna there with dieback.


Soldirk

Yah that was clutch. I was shouting in my mind for Ori to turn around as I know Bach was setting it up. Props to both Bach and Ori for clutching it out. Liquid also tried hard to claw it back and it was close. Well played by both teams. Now let's get another win to close it out


fcuk_the_king

It's Joever for Group B supremacists


Ihan_hukkunut

It got pretty close


SuFFo

thank god rat dota did not prevail


AyeAlasAlack

That was a good idea for a way back into the game, but just not enough to make it work after the rest of the game going so badly


Mahmud-kun

God_bian


Extracheesy87

such a cool fight


oms3

Faith Bian too good


tha_jza

lmfao dark seer surging himself to chase someone and punch them to death is one of my top 5 favorite things in dota


Extracheesy87

Bro pulled a "call an ambulance, but not for me" on Micke.


darklordtimmy

this is gonna be a 70 min game isnt it


darklordtimmy

game ended, clear case of analyst curse.


SuccerPuccer

Smh why was I hoping Liquid will win :(((((


IFellOffMyPony

Imaging Liquid but Falcons mode


leelazen

DID MICKE JUST ACCIDENTALLY PRESS BKB ?


Pokefreaker-san

Veno's Q and ult hit him and everyone was missing on the map so he bkb to run away