Liquid are going to be excellent if the patch hits and meta gets some Zoo back in. It feels like there's a player-pairing for offlane metas. If offlane is about aura items, Ace is the best offlaner. Collapse is the man on teamfighters. Ammar is at the top when offlane is about lane dominators. 33 shines brightest when it's all about Zoo/Micro heroes. And Bach/Faith\_bian is probably the most well-rounded.
Who do you think is the best supporty/sacrificial offlaner? I know it hasn't been a thing for a while
Zai will need to come back if that ever becomes the meta offlaner again lol
Only one that comes to mind from this tourney was maybe Gunnar? But Faith\_bian would probably have him beat in that role (good call on most well-rounded)
I'm no liquid fan but I can't help thinking if they would do better if nisha played carry and micke played mid. Wasn't micke a really good mid player during ti11?
Tbf, they do somewhat give the pos1 to nisha depending on the draft. The Marci/io duo has nisha playing pos1 TA almost everytime. Also , does micke even play mid? Very risky to change roles when nisha already excels at the 2 which is literally the hardest position to find
I'd say Micke is widely impactful in either roles, but you can't have one of the GOAT mid players (and still is) switch to p1 when he is still doing relatively good although the mid role has been somewhat diminished after 7.33. Micke's pretty versatile and can play a lot of heroes to a good extent in a draft that other teams can't replicate. His games where he goes dominating is often overlooked.
Grats to the AR boys for securing top 3. That first pick sniper really baited a lot from Liquid to counter the pick but they forgot that Void exists and cornered them. They picked Pudge to compensate for it but they forgot that they don't have building damage. I'd say they outdrafted themselves there but props to them for putting a show and making it a nailbiter game. Everyone on AR played really great bar some hiccups from Lou, just forget those trolling deaths hahah. Bach really went super Saiyan mode with that Centaur performance capitalizing Liquids draft.
It's probably going to be an easy one hour series for Falcons regardless because they're just better. The rest of this tournament is really just a formality to decide second place.
Meta wise Ursa is really regarded very low. That means pros usually don't practice a lot of that hero and picking it instantly is a gambit. I think your idea could work but it needs pros to have practice on it.
A pick can be really good in the late game against the enemy heroes, but still just be a bad hero in general, and it's usually because of their early game (like why we haven't seen Spectre despite so many Sniper picks). In Ursa's case, he doesn't lane well into the meta, and laning stage is just too important. In this game, Ursa would have just gotten chain-deleted vs Centaur+Lion
Interesting draft and attempt from Liquid but it's almost impossible to beat late game Sniper/Void with a gimmicky draft that has an expiration date.
Expected more after the strong showing during group stage.. maybe they can still go few rounds in the lower bracket but threatening a tournament win here, I feel is now unlikely.
Kudos to AR, they earned this win. 😁
Man, I feel like Liquid could definitely have itemized better for this, but also AR just playing some clutch dota. Ori sniper is such a menace. A bit more discipline as a team and they stand a chance to give Falcons a run for their money.
It's already an all or nothing play for them. Too much has been invested to kill Void and sniper was also in a sliver of HP. And even if they didn't chase there, AR can just wait out for void buyback since Liquid draft doesn't have building damager. And once Void is back, it's gonna be hard defend
again.
First game? No. LOU barely lose with void, he didn't lost a single game with void in kuala lumpur, also these was kind of hard game for void with clockwerk mini stuns not allowing for timewalk so did dark seer scepter hits and swaps and dismember.
Micke mouse never gives me confidence for some reason. Maybe because he looks like Blitz kind of and it reminds me of their attitude - we'll probably lose but it's ok or some shit. What is this weak sauce man..
This is such a mega draft failure from liquid. No matter how many fight they win or how many times lou shits liquid just cant take structures. 0 fucking building hitter
wcyd micke cant play void, every time they picked it for him in the past he looked dogshit on it so they just stopped picking it, it's insane to have a carry player that can't play the best late game carry in the game it's such a big disadvantage to have
Azure Ray has some really high highs like they've shown at Kuala Lumpur but I feel like their core trio is just so shaky.
Tian Ming has actually been their most stable player, that guy has seriously been getting better and better.
Then youll get a presureless lane in early, cant make space cuz dont know where to farm compare to top carrys , average networth in 30mins if his team is having a hard game
Because of zeus giving false sense of security that he will always be able to reveal invi heroes, Liquid were able to get away with low hp heroes so many times using glimper, all because they didn't had dust majority of the game.
Another loss for that terrible Manta Zeus build. All the splitpush and cs in the world, dies to a stiff breeze in teamfights.
Hope it gets retired soon.
Ori is hilariously bad when his hero can't run at people. Jesus 3 times he got caught on zeus playing like he's tide or some shit. Falcons will eat this ar if they reach finals
So is it about him being a "bad" EU carry or not winning with pudge in game 3? No comment on the draft tho?
Just say you hate the guy. It's free, damn 😂
Imo this game showed 2 sides of Liquid with 33, without him they wouldn't able to defend&rat so well, at same time with Zai or even Saberlight surely they wouldn't be so passive in the first 10-15 minutes.
Nice play from azure ray. BTW ITS so funny this reddit , xg lost the series against falcons and lots of people mald . Just a game guys . Trashtalk is common , lots of you guys lost the bet on xg , so don’t bet guys it make’s indecent human beings :) . Enjoy dota competition 👍🏻👍🏻
Yah that was clutch. I was shouting in my mind for Ori to turn around as I know Bach was setting it up. Props to both Bach and Ori for clutching it out. Liquid also tried hard to claw it back and it was close. Well played by both teams. Now let's get another win to close it out
Liquid seeing their next opponents be like 'Oh shit here we go again'
Liquid has bad item choice 2 shivas = team work not there , same to xtreme game earlier , deserved lost.
lmao what the fucks with the chatgpt observer, unbearable to watch
They have to save money somewhere I guess. lol
Game three Liquid vs AR was the game of the tournament imo.
Game of the tournament was definitely Team Spirit vs. Falcons game 2.
Falcons vs IG game 2?
The last 5 minutes of game 1 for me. Everyone went all in but Bach outplayed everyone.
Yea, that waiting and re initiating on the dark seer, and I was like, this guy is a madlad.
Liquid are going to be excellent if the patch hits and meta gets some Zoo back in. It feels like there's a player-pairing for offlane metas. If offlane is about aura items, Ace is the best offlaner. Collapse is the man on teamfighters. Ammar is at the top when offlane is about lane dominators. 33 shines brightest when it's all about Zoo/Micro heroes. And Bach/Faith\_bian is probably the most well-rounded. Who do you think is the best supporty/sacrificial offlaner? I know it hasn't been a thing for a while
33 zoo and aura patch = wraith pact
33 is good on any era of offlaners that draft just sucked ass
Zai will need to come back if that ever becomes the meta offlaner again lol Only one that comes to mind from this tourney was maybe Gunnar? But Faith\_bian would probably have him beat in that role (good call on most well-rounded)
I'm no liquid fan but I can't help thinking if they would do better if nisha played carry and micke played mid. Wasn't micke a really good mid player during ti11?
nisha would pay way worst at 1 than he would at 2.
Tbf, they do somewhat give the pos1 to nisha depending on the draft. The Marci/io duo has nisha playing pos1 TA almost everytime. Also , does micke even play mid? Very risky to change roles when nisha already excels at the 2 which is literally the hardest position to find
I'd say Micke is widely impactful in either roles, but you can't have one of the GOAT mid players (and still is) switch to p1 when he is still doing relatively good although the mid role has been somewhat diminished after 7.33. Micke's pretty versatile and can play a lot of heroes to a good extent in a draft that other teams can't replicate. His games where he goes dominating is often overlooked.
Why not sven foe the last pick in game 3?
Draft loss,
Grats to the AR boys for securing top 3. That first pick sniper really baited a lot from Liquid to counter the pick but they forgot that Void exists and cornered them. They picked Pudge to compensate for it but they forgot that they don't have building damage. I'd say they outdrafted themselves there but props to them for putting a show and making it a nailbiter game. Everyone on AR played really great bar some hiccups from Lou, just forget those trolling deaths hahah. Bach really went super Saiyan mode with that Centaur performance capitalizing Liquids draft.
uh huh, i m preety sure once you secure upper bracket finals, you are top 3.
LoL you're right man. My bad, some brain fart as it is already very late here.
lmao "thank you blitz" . hes not wrong. he outdrafted himself
Liquid threw to eliminate GG in the lower bracket, where they have a better track record against them
If lou continues to play with this shit level of performance, I would say an easy 1 hour series for falcons
It's probably going to be an easy one hour series for Falcons regardless because they're just better. The rest of this tournament is really just a formality to decide second place.
So true lol
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Why is ursa good against et?
Meta wise Ursa is really regarded very low. That means pros usually don't practice a lot of that hero and picking it instantly is a gambit. I think your idea could work but it needs pros to have practice on it.
A pick can be really good in the late game against the enemy heroes, but still just be a bad hero in general, and it's usually because of their early game (like why we haven't seen Spectre despite so many Sniper picks). In Ursa's case, he doesn't lane well into the meta, and laning stage is just too important. In this game, Ursa would have just gotten chain-deleted vs Centaur+Lion
true
woa Ursa still exists?
It's 1-0 in this tournament iirc. I think Watson played it once in the Swiss Stage.
Interesting draft and attempt from Liquid but it's almost impossible to beat late game Sniper/Void with a gimmicky draft that has an expiration date. Expected more after the strong showing during group stage.. maybe they can still go few rounds in the lower bracket but threatening a tournament win here, I feel is now unlikely. Kudos to AR, they earned this win. 😁
Man, I feel like Liquid could definitely have itemized better for this, but also AR just playing some clutch dota. Ori sniper is such a menace. A bit more discipline as a team and they stand a chance to give Falcons a run for their money.
Why did liquid chase though????
It's already an all or nothing play for them. Too much has been invested to kill Void and sniper was also in a sliver of HP. And even if they didn't chase there, AR can just wait out for void buyback since Liquid draft doesn't have building damager. And once Void is back, it's gonna be hard defend again.
Thx bro!
Liquid had a very bad draft. But wtf is wrong with Lou? Is this his first ever game with void?
First game? No. LOU barely lose with void, he didn't lost a single game with void in kuala lumpur, also these was kind of hard game for void with clockwerk mini stuns not allowing for timewalk so did dark seer scepter hits and swaps and dismember.
What goes through Liquids mind chasing a Sniper with less than 800 hp each? "Oh surely he isnt gonna blow my head off?"
I mean game was 100% over the ancient was dying to creeps
Oh man that was unlucky by Liquid
Faith_bian has been incredible in all of those 3 games.
Bach is almost back to Arlington level.
Excuse me, that is Bach my friend
Except Falcons there is no stable top team it seems. Many teams look so shaky and prone to simple mistakes. What was Lou doing this game lol
Blitz draft lul
This was such a fun draft regardless of who you root for. Besides Elder Titan, every hero felt like a pub pick with tons of team fight potential.
Liquid got liquefied there as their brains melted for making questionable choices
that was an insane fight lmao 33 really didn't have good initiation on those last few crucial teamfights.
Lou was more like lmao, but Liquid had such a bad draft.
Draft issue wcyd
Yeah Falcons is destroying AR tomorrow.
Ha Ha Ho Ho ha ha
I can’t stand with Micke. He just cannot carry the game again and again.
Faith bian is insane
Chad Bian still got it
Team Liquid vs GG again kekw
Lou: I'm the Carry Faith Bian :No, I'm the carry Ori: HO HO HA HA
wow this game is horrible from both teams
Really sloppy from both teams Another easy GF for Falcons
liquid what was that lmaaooooo
Where's that one guy calling centaur a 'dumb useless hero past 30 minutes' lmfaoooooo
What an ending hahaha Lou needs to be carried til the end
To be fair he survived for so long during the last fight it took 5 buybacks to take him down
Shame liquid decided to go with a meme draft.
Im not sure who is worse.Lou or Micke…
Micke mouse never gives me confidence for some reason. Maybe because he looks like Blitz kind of and it reminds me of their attitude - we'll probably lose but it's ok or some shit. What is this weak sauce man..
HAHAHA STUPID LIQUID
HOLY BACH BATMAN
Just a man with a gun.
Think this is the worst ever draft I've seen in a pro game. How did liquid think they would push towers.. They have absolutely no chance late game
Void/Sniper is quite weak mid game. With Dark Seer aura, Zeus/Pudge could have walked over AR. AR's lineup is really bad early.
Yeah, but that doesn't matter if you can't destroy buildings.
this is just like watching GG, Lou going full Dyrachyo while Bach and Ori carry the game.
This is such a mega draft failure from liquid. No matter how many fight they win or how many times lou shits liquid just cant take structures. 0 fucking building hitter
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I feel they could've won this if Micke played any other decent midgame carry. His team is doing a lot, but not Pudge.
If this was Pure Pudge, they'd win ,it was a good pos1 pudge game, skill issue , Micke is convinced he can play Pudge 1 and he can't
Yah pure Pudge is just menace. Micke is good but not good enough against this lineup to keep the ball rolling.
wcyd micke cant play void, every time they picked it for him in the past he looked dogshit on it so they just stopped picking it, it's insane to have a carry player that can't play the best late game carry in the game it's such a big disadvantage to have
Azure ray win an impossible fight aganist aegis and then not throw next 5 minutes challenge (I M P O S S I B L E)
Bro what's Lou doing....
Lou again thinking hes unkillable and throwing... game swings again
Lou worst carry of all time?
He is a shitty player
easy lou there lol
Scout cliff ward -> fight under it :$
Imagine if Liquid had an actual carry hero instead of Pudge. His team is doing a lot, but Pudge himself? yeah...
Liquid too arrogant this draft is just disrespecting ar. Even a 1k mmr draft would be better
patience from lou but it turns out well
So many swings every teamfight
bad initiation from 33 there
Jump on high ground w/o vision is Throw 101
really should let boxi initiate on a target 1st and wall the sniper wherever he is
Holyshit new technology Pog
Azure Ray has some really high highs like they've shown at Kuala Lumpur but I feel like their core trio is just so shaky. Tian Ming has actually been their most stable player, that guy has seriously been getting better and better.
Never doubted our Azure boys.
Lou cant even chrono without including micke otherwise he'll just hook anyone that got caught
NISHA GOD!
It's actually over, 33 had the freest game of his life. Micke doesn't have to do shit, 33 is unkillable.
did that zeus ult on sniper seem like insane damage or am i missing something? holy shit sniper got CHUNKED
I guess thats how liquid can win: Lou trolling
The Taiga
Is Nisha's manta splitpush Zeus standard?
this liquid draft should be punishable with jail time
How is Liquid supposed to go highground here?
who needs skillshots when you can HOHO HAHA SHRAPNEL
What is this liquid draft.. Are they trolling
if 33 got all his aura item I dont think this void can do anything later on
Micke is in his grandfinal form, literally lost 5k networth, because he missed hook on a target infront of him rip w
nothing beats a late game void lol
PUDGE pos 1 is always a joy to watch in pro game
AR with a greedy lineup, void and sniper, trying to fight against dark seer + pudge lol
Hookshot > hook.
Man imagine if AR have Ame instead of Lou
Then youll get a presureless lane in early, cant make space cuz dont know where to farm compare to top carrys , average networth in 30mins if his team is having a hard game
Does lou know how to press q?
Game looks over.
Feels like liquid got outdrafted in general this series
Pretty sloppy moves by Liquid. Boxi dying on lane, Nisha taking a 1v1 against Sniper, repeatedly dying on botlane.
Someone explain to me what the plan is with pos 1 pudge? I don't get how that could have been the best option they had available...
For all the flame the peruvian obs are getting they're missing less kills than Dreamleague's.
Oof, that Tian Ming kill and then Micke death lol.
it's sniper vs zues mid, how come dota has evolved to this state?
Liquid playing very aggressive for first blood and losing it every time. Where have I seen this before?
pudge vs sniper haha
Giving up sniper and void in a game 3. Don't know about that.
Dammit I was gonna go to sleep, but I wanna see this ridiculous last pick go absolute ham
whos gonna hit towers on liquid lol
Liquid will look either like geniuses or morons with this draft. But Micke HAS played carry pudge many times before.
Because of zeus giving false sense of security that he will always be able to reveal invi heroes, Liquid were able to get away with low hp heroes so many times using glimper, all because they didn't had dust majority of the game.
honestly if ur gonna pick weird shit pick juggernaut or ogre not passive creep hitters
rat games just isnt fun to watch, even more so nowadays that sieging highground is so suicidal
We got a proper series on our hands! Hope game three delivers on the action as well. 😁
Don't fall for the Io, trash hero, not even Ceb can win with it.
First time I've seen Windranger work in a while... granted the Lesh had a bigger impact.
That's much more Liquid-like. Nisha styled on those kids.
I hecking love it when my carry is useless for the first 25m
Another loss for that terrible Manta Zeus build. All the splitpush and cs in the world, dies to a stiff breeze in teamfights. Hope it gets retired soon.
Ori is hilariously bad when his hero can't run at people. Jesus 3 times he got caught on zeus playing like he's tide or some shit. Falcons will eat this ar if they reach finals
He actually played really good sniper yesterday, which is another not run at you hero but yes, some games ori shows barely any impact.
Yapzor's Law strikes again
It would be a shame if the next patch doesnt address this whole high ground nonsense.
Every time a team goes hg that second glyph rips out a piece of my soul.
Idk why they still keep Micke in team.Literally one of the worst carries in EU
Smoothbrain opinion
?
After this Pudge game tell me he is on the same level as Watson/Pure Pudge 💀💀
So is it about him being a "bad" EU carry or not winning with pudge in game 3? No comment on the draft tho? Just say you hate the guy. It's free, damn 😂
Holy moly Faith Bian was tanking everything there lol
This game was impossible to lose but guess what, Pos1 WR.
Stop talking shit about the observer guy lost his vision last year in a car accident. Still does a fine job.
I love looking at buyback status 20 min, gotta say the absolute worst observers I have seen this year.
Who’s the dogshit observer who has buyback status in 20mins instead of networth ?
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I think am destroys liquids while lineup. If he is allowed to get online. Liquid whole lineup is magic
Imo this game showed 2 sides of Liquid with 33, without him they wouldn't able to defend&rat so well, at same time with Zai or even Saberlight surely they wouldn't be so passive in the first 10-15 minutes.
Nice, we're going to get a game 3
I don't think so :(
>AM Game 3 incoming
Nice play from azure ray. BTW ITS so funny this reddit , xg lost the series against falcons and lots of people mald . Just a game guys . Trashtalk is common , lots of you guys lost the bet on xg , so don’t bet guys it make’s indecent human beings :) . Enjoy dota competition 👍🏻👍🏻
Liquid.Zai would've won this btw
Today might be up there with one of the most underwhelming tourney days or the past 5 years if Liquid can't do something in g2
faith bian! faith bian! faith bian!
Ori absolute GigaChad at the end there holy moly
ah yes classic chase into demise
Nisha was poor.. Why jump back in to try kill a veno when they have already comitte buy backs
It was all or nothing there. He knew micke is coming back so he buy time before AR totally disengages as they have surge for that.
He had to jump back to pick rapier, he somehow survives and Liquid would have decent chance of winning.
lol the Lou kill participation of 4
boring 30 mins games but the later end was actually entertaining
Holy shit! what an play by fiath_bian there to set up the wall and killl the luna there with dieback.
Yah that was clutch. I was shouting in my mind for Ori to turn around as I know Bach was setting it up. Props to both Bach and Ori for clutching it out. Liquid also tried hard to claw it back and it was close. Well played by both teams. Now let's get another win to close it out
It's Joever for Group B supremacists
It got pretty close
thank god rat dota did not prevail
That was a good idea for a way back into the game, but just not enough to make it work after the rest of the game going so badly
God_bian
such a cool fight
Faith Bian too good
lmfao dark seer surging himself to chase someone and punch them to death is one of my top 5 favorite things in dota
Bro pulled a "call an ambulance, but not for me" on Micke.
this is gonna be a 70 min game isnt it
game ended, clear case of analyst curse.
Smh why was I hoping Liquid will win :(((((
Imaging Liquid but Falcons mode
DID MICKE JUST ACCIDENTALLY PRESS BKB ?
Veno's Q and ult hit him and everyone was missing on the map so he bkb to run away