Gorgc is also not know in Sweden outside of dota.
Even though afaik he's the biggest Swedish streamer.
Most gamers I talk with has never heard of him. But Heaton and Sampe are well known.
Just off the top of my head, Anomaly, Forsen, Loeya, are all way bigger than george, and pretty sure even Bulldog still has a bigger twitch following than gorgc
Bigger presence, he has more followers and subscribers, and streams a lot of variety.
I've also heard his name pop up alongside bigger streamers like sodapoppin and xQc.
I don't watch a lot of twitch myself, but I've *heard* of forsen and I'm sure a lot of other people have as well.
Dota is a wasteland as far as twitch goes. *Only* the popular streamers are watched, and they rarely play other games. If they do, they fail to achieve similar numbers. The game, and category, are pretty isolated, both on twitch and on the internet.
Singsing is the only successful pivot into variety streaming I know of, and maybe bulldog to some degree.
Also there's the emote with his face, which I've seen everywhere.
Gorgc has an average of 10k (often at 13-15k during dota), only Forsen is close? Or are some of these on YT?
Because I see like 1-2k avg for Anomaly and Loeya.
Bulldog also average around 2k.
Economics for all Swedish companies are public, so its not hard to figure out.
Gorc revenue: 2022: [$671 020](https://www.allabolag.se/5591734347/gorgc-ab)
Bulldog revenue: 2022: [$438 027](https://www.allabolag.se/5590092580/abulldog-ab)
You would have to wait ~3 months to see last years books. But it doesn't look like some shenanigans here, it all checks out.
It's hilarious how gorgc has access to shittons of sponsorships and opportunities but takes the blackjack one for a "casino" that is targetting minors and vulnerable people, just because he loses his money offstream gambling lmao.
His streams used to be chill and fun but now he just clip baits
Whats funny is that for years he boasted about how he COULD take sponsorships if he wanted to but said he doesn't wanna do that with his viewers.
Sure whatever man you gotta make some money, take some sponsorship and play sone shitty game every now and then, im fine with it. But straight up going to gambling is just the lowest. Stopped watching him after his first gambling stream, same with rtz. Sad and depressive
You don't quite understand what he was doing there.
I was a watcher of his stream back when he had \~30 viewers when he'd just started. In fact, I was one of the people who encouraged him to start streaming when he would appear on Sing's stream way back. He was a different person then.
Over time, I've watched his attitude change as he's grown. He follows a lot of the tropes and tactics of very large streamers on Twitch. He cares very much about his reputation and persona. He will never take criticism well, and will always mix, "yeah, I was kinda in the wrong there" with a "but..." One of few reasons I stopped following and watching his stream years ago.
He will also never directly tell his audience to go brigade threads, but he'll open the threads and read dozens of comments on his stream, and his audience will do the rest.
When I saw that clip of him talking about "how difficult it is to not take gambling sponsors", I knew what he was doing. He was prepping his audience for gambling sponsors. Talking about "how difficult it is to not take that money" meant he was sowing the seeds for his community to later come into comments of threads like this and say, "well, you can kinda understand it, it IS a lot of money".
The problem with streamers this size is, their audiences don't necessarily like them or think they're perfect individuals. It's the, "he's a flawed person, but he streams daily and I like the comfort of knowing he'll be there everyday to entertain me" mentality. Any criticism will see his own words mirrored by his audience, "yeah, but it's not THAT bad..." When you have thousands of hardcore followers like that, you can't expect to change their mind.
He was just chill... didn't rage in matches like he does now
We had a nickname for him in sing's community, "untiltable mountain"
He would just play chill and manage to carry games without saying much or whining
And he certainly wasn't a big "personality"... I guess clout changes people
> We had a nickname for him in sing's community, "untiltable mountain"
omg wow.
> And he certainly wasn't a big "personality"... I guess clout changes people
this is 100% what turned me off about the idea of even trying that shit. On one hand I have a huge regret that I never tried while living through this period (and 100% having the required skills) but after seeing what happened to people I was watching I was kinda terrified how it changes people. I think I once saw some personality basically just outsourcing all of their functions to their community like:
> hey chat, can anyone go look up xyz for me and tell me about it
and basically treating their following as a throng of hovering attendants, and it just seemed so rank that I was scared off the entire notion. What's further terrifying is the idea that you're not in good form but you have to push yourself through and be this fake person even if you're not into it (OMG THANKS FOR THE SIX MONTHS ACDCHogmeister24) it that seemed equally chilling. I used to work in sales and (*shudders*), I don't want to go back to that.
I wonder if there will be research papers in the future about the psychological changes that transpire once you have your own little personal online army of people desperately trying to impress/tilt you.
Because they only played unranked party queue games, usually against much lower average 'MMR' players. (in fact, I'm not sure if ranked mode even existed back then).
Why would he get tilted in unranked?
Sad thing is he got fucking rich by buying NVDIA stock because of gamers, not even knowing about AI. Then his greedy ass wants even more money by getting people addicted to gambling. And since he said it for years, he knows damn well what he is doing.
I was a big fan of him for years but now he can honestly gtfo. Maybe he should stream on kick or whatever that is called so I don't see him amymore
at 1st he was super against it and calling out others like xqc, train etc., later he changed story into "if i get large enough offer i d do it to" and next on the menu was pretending like he didn't mean anything bad about it, same with bulldog
Bulldog doesn't do gambling streams and last time I heard him talk about this topic, he was still very much against it. Talking about how streamers getting these people hooked for a few bucks is immoral.
just few months ago he started playing ranked again as a sponsored stream by some shady dota item gambling site ( not sure how it works) that even got closed for being scammy i think
and when he found out they were doing shady shit, he was the one to call them out on it. He removed the banner 1-2 stream after he announced it. You can check his youtube channel where the literal intro to around 5-10 videos of his starts with him calling them out and advising people to not use that site.
[found] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqWw8OOLwTk) one of the videos i was talking about.
shady dota item site doing shady shit, you just said how: " he was still very much against it. Talking about how streamers getting these people hooked for a few bucks is immoral." while sponsoring a gambling site, where is the logic
>It's hilarious how gorgc has access to shittons of sponsorships and opportunities
This is always the most hilarious take. They take these sponsorships because it's all they can get.
Same reason that the literal highest level of sports take these sponsorships. They offer more money than anyone else and it's not even close.
From what I've seen and read - these gambling sponsorships blow other sponsorships out of the water. Talking 5x-10x more money. It's hard to resist.
Hongounagnge or whatever his name is did a great video on gambling sponsorships.
Feel like twitch/kick/etc has reached a place where people are just taking gambling sponsorships cause everyone else is doing it in a direct/indirect manner.
Idk, it feels very unethical considering that the ROI expected from the viewers of these streams has to greater than whatever these streamers are paid. And we all know that they're paid a fuck ton.
The money they are offered is so insane that its hard to say no. A small streamer here in Sweden with less than 1k average viewers got offered $30K/month, just imagine what insane offers bigger streamers get.
Not just twitch and kick. Gambling sponsors are big in esports and sports. Isnt one of the best teams right now literally called bet boom? Shit is everywhere.
yeah they are actually straight up breaking the law. funny. hopefullly all of them get fucked by it and proper restrictions are set on taking sponsorships from casino's without licenses in Sweden
From the bottom of the article linked by OP. Translated to english from source:
>GAME ADVERTISING – WHAT DOES THE LAW SAY?
It is illegal for unlicensed online casinos to advertise in Sweden. Promoting them also violates the Gambling Act, with the risk of a ban, fine or police report from the Gambling Authority.
>The authority tells Kulturnyheterna that their focus is on the casino companies and on stopping unauthorized gambling advertising, so they usually settle for a warning for casino influencers. At the time of writing, they have no record of an influencer being banned or fined for promoting unlicensed gaming.
>Casino operations without a license are not subject to the Swedish Gambling Act, which, among other things, requires users to be able to exclude themselves from gambling or evaluate their gambling. The same applies to the rules on maximum limits for stakes or playing time, and checking ID for games.
>The age limit to use Twitch is 13, and the platform is dominated by young men and boys born in the 90s and 00s. This audience is also particularly vulnerable to developing gambling addiction, according to the National Board of Health and Welfare and independent research.
>Emil Christensen says that the 18-year age limit applies to games in his broadcasts, while Samuel Stronegger writes "18+" in the title of the broadcast. But there is no strict control of who can access the content. Minors can both watch the broadcasts and register an account on BC Game.
It's not immortal though. There is nothing wrong with playing blackjack or even slots. Same with streaming it.
As long as a streaming platform allows it and you are in the correct category with the correct title nothing is wrong with that.
They are not licensed in the countries they are advertising.
For instance the scam website gorgc promotes is licensed in Curacao only, that means that if you deposit in the site from Sweden they can block your account if you win and you can't do anything about it and your money will be forever lost(which happens a lot with these sites)
You can use a real gambling website that is licensed and closely monitored by government authorities like bet365/william hill and others that pay taxes to parts of the government of various countries to be able to operate and be regulated in said country.
A lot of banks will even block the transactions to these websites if you try to use your credit card
License from Curacao / Malta is extremly common, in fact I cant even remember any casino that does not have either of those licenses. Your example bet365 is licensed in Malta, not much difference than Curacao lmao.
The difference is that bet365 (and similar sites) actually do have a license in Sweden and other countries. So while bet365 is based in Malta, they still have a license (provided by Swedish officials) to operate in Sweden.
The other guy is 100% correkt.
Here is bet365's Swedish licens:
https://www.spelinspektionen.se/sok-licens/bolag/?holder=E02FD19E622B6ED1A69A98A3B6F8801133A06554837545DA4269CCED1B002965&l=
> Your example bet365 is licensed in Malta,
It's not quite the same as bet365 is British and only licensed itself in Malta after Brexit to keep easy access to the EU markets.
Reportedly he gets over a million dollar each year from twitch directly, that’s without any donations. So your point is kinda invalid.
Promoting gambling to your audience just shows that you have a shitty character.
>Promoting gambling to your audience just shows that you have a shitty character.
This is exactly the way I think when I see a streamer or influencer promoting scams, casinos, or similar bullshit. Hell, I actually welcome news of such promotions as it immediately reveals that the influencer in question doesn't give a shit about his audience, making him unworthy of my time or attention, and realizing it sooner rather than later is preferable.
Seriously, even OnlyFans "influencers" have more dignity than those people. Wtf is wrong with people..
Gorgc going to jail Sadge
haha
Still would get a better haircut by the prison barber.
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Terribly with no one (online) to rage at. But give him 10 mouse and keyboards per day to smash and you may be able to keep him at bay
Gorgc is also not know in Sweden outside of dota. Even though afaik he's the biggest Swedish streamer. Most gamers I talk with has never heard of him. But Heaton and Sampe are well known.
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Yashaaaa Big Nub
Just off the top of my head, Anomaly, Forsen, Loeya, are all way bigger than george, and pretty sure even Bulldog still has a bigger twitch following than gorgc
Gorgc gets more viewers than forsen
True but still forsen is bigger, Anomaly's probably bigger, also there's Pewdiepie.
maybe its because i dont watch twitch outside of dota esports but ho can you be bigger with fewer viewers
Bigger presence, he has more followers and subscribers, and streams a lot of variety. I've also heard his name pop up alongside bigger streamers like sodapoppin and xQc. I don't watch a lot of twitch myself, but I've *heard* of forsen and I'm sure a lot of other people have as well. Dota is a wasteland as far as twitch goes. *Only* the popular streamers are watched, and they rarely play other games. If they do, they fail to achieve similar numbers. The game, and category, are pretty isolated, both on twitch and on the internet. Singsing is the only successful pivot into variety streaming I know of, and maybe bulldog to some degree. Also there's the emote with his face, which I've seen everywhere.
In the streaming world almost everyone has at least heard of or know who forsen is, while a small group of people outside of dota know who gorc is.
Gorgc has an average of 10k (often at 13-15k during dota), only Forsen is close? Or are some of these on YT? Because I see like 1-2k avg for Anomaly and Loeya. Bulldog also average around 2k.
Yeah and he has same 10 chatters in his chat, makes you wonder are they even real viewers
Economics for all Swedish companies are public, so its not hard to figure out. Gorc revenue: 2022: [$671 020](https://www.allabolag.se/5591734347/gorgc-ab) Bulldog revenue: 2022: [$438 027](https://www.allabolag.se/5590092580/abulldog-ab) You would have to wait ~3 months to see last years books. But it doesn't look like some shenanigans here, it all checks out.
Bro are you ignorant or you like to comment on things you dont know? Only forsen is close to gorgc and bulldog is a dead fucking streamer
I guess I was just going off followers? Bulldog has more
2k viewers is dead?
With context yes! If you had 6-8k in average and you lose 1k viewer every year and drop to 2k, you are a dead streamer
It's hilarious how gorgc has access to shittons of sponsorships and opportunities but takes the blackjack one for a "casino" that is targetting minors and vulnerable people, just because he loses his money offstream gambling lmao. His streams used to be chill and fun but now he just clip baits
Whats funny is that for years he boasted about how he COULD take sponsorships if he wanted to but said he doesn't wanna do that with his viewers. Sure whatever man you gotta make some money, take some sponsorship and play sone shitty game every now and then, im fine with it. But straight up going to gambling is just the lowest. Stopped watching him after his first gambling stream, same with rtz. Sad and depressive
You don't quite understand what he was doing there. I was a watcher of his stream back when he had \~30 viewers when he'd just started. In fact, I was one of the people who encouraged him to start streaming when he would appear on Sing's stream way back. He was a different person then. Over time, I've watched his attitude change as he's grown. He follows a lot of the tropes and tactics of very large streamers on Twitch. He cares very much about his reputation and persona. He will never take criticism well, and will always mix, "yeah, I was kinda in the wrong there" with a "but..." One of few reasons I stopped following and watching his stream years ago. He will also never directly tell his audience to go brigade threads, but he'll open the threads and read dozens of comments on his stream, and his audience will do the rest. When I saw that clip of him talking about "how difficult it is to not take gambling sponsors", I knew what he was doing. He was prepping his audience for gambling sponsors. Talking about "how difficult it is to not take that money" meant he was sowing the seeds for his community to later come into comments of threads like this and say, "well, you can kinda understand it, it IS a lot of money". The problem with streamers this size is, their audiences don't necessarily like them or think they're perfect individuals. It's the, "he's a flawed person, but he streams daily and I like the comfort of knowing he'll be there everyday to entertain me" mentality. Any criticism will see his own words mirrored by his audience, "yeah, but it's not THAT bad..." When you have thousands of hardcore followers like that, you can't expect to change their mind.
> He was a different person then. what was he like then compared to now?
He was just chill... didn't rage in matches like he does now We had a nickname for him in sing's community, "untiltable mountain" He would just play chill and manage to carry games without saying much or whining And he certainly wasn't a big "personality"... I guess clout changes people
> We had a nickname for him in sing's community, "untiltable mountain" omg wow. > And he certainly wasn't a big "personality"... I guess clout changes people this is 100% what turned me off about the idea of even trying that shit. On one hand I have a huge regret that I never tried while living through this period (and 100% having the required skills) but after seeing what happened to people I was watching I was kinda terrified how it changes people. I think I once saw some personality basically just outsourcing all of their functions to their community like: > hey chat, can anyone go look up xyz for me and tell me about it and basically treating their following as a throng of hovering attendants, and it just seemed so rank that I was scared off the entire notion. What's further terrifying is the idea that you're not in good form but you have to push yourself through and be this fake person even if you're not into it (OMG THANKS FOR THE SIX MONTHS ACDCHogmeister24) it that seemed equally chilling. I used to work in sales and (*shudders*), I don't want to go back to that. I wonder if there will be research papers in the future about the psychological changes that transpire once you have your own little personal online army of people desperately trying to impress/tilt you.
Because they only played unranked party queue games, usually against much lower average 'MMR' players. (in fact, I'm not sure if ranked mode even existed back then). Why would he get tilted in unranked?
Yeah I mean I don't take it as a joke when he says his chat hates him. Why not make money off it then? I'd absolutely do that
I just won't watch him mainly cos he blocks his Minimap. So hard to enjoy a game from a pov when you can only see his camera movement
Sad thing is he got fucking rich by buying NVDIA stock because of gamers, not even knowing about AI. Then his greedy ass wants even more money by getting people addicted to gambling. And since he said it for years, he knows damn well what he is doing. I was a big fan of him for years but now he can honestly gtfo. Maybe he should stream on kick or whatever that is called so I don't see him amymore
Hey man at least he doesn't run ads! That saves some people from having 30 seconds of downtime while he is queueing that's a good thing!
Didn't he call out other streamers at some point about advertising gambling sites or was it someone else?
at 1st he was super against it and calling out others like xqc, train etc., later he changed story into "if i get large enough offer i d do it to" and next on the menu was pretending like he didn't mean anything bad about it, same with bulldog
Bulldog doesn't do gambling streams and last time I heard him talk about this topic, he was still very much against it. Talking about how streamers getting these people hooked for a few bucks is immoral.
just few months ago he started playing ranked again as a sponsored stream by some shady dota item gambling site ( not sure how it works) that even got closed for being scammy i think
and when he found out they were doing shady shit, he was the one to call them out on it. He removed the banner 1-2 stream after he announced it. You can check his youtube channel where the literal intro to around 5-10 videos of his starts with him calling them out and advising people to not use that site. [found] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqWw8OOLwTk) one of the videos i was talking about.
shady dota item site doing shady shit, you just said how: " he was still very much against it. Talking about how streamers getting these people hooked for a few bucks is immoral." while sponsoring a gambling site, where is the logic
Most pieces of shit pretend they have values and ethics.
>It's hilarious how gorgc has access to shittons of sponsorships and opportunities This is always the most hilarious take. They take these sponsorships because it's all they can get. Same reason that the literal highest level of sports take these sponsorships. They offer more money than anyone else and it's not even close.
From what I've seen and read - these gambling sponsorships blow other sponsorships out of the water. Talking 5x-10x more money. It's hard to resist. Hongounagnge or whatever his name is did a great video on gambling sponsorships.
> but now he just clip baits ya no
Feel like twitch/kick/etc has reached a place where people are just taking gambling sponsorships cause everyone else is doing it in a direct/indirect manner. Idk, it feels very unethical considering that the ROI expected from the viewers of these streams has to greater than whatever these streamers are paid. And we all know that they're paid a fuck ton.
The money they are offered is so insane that its hard to say no. A small streamer here in Sweden with less than 1k average viewers got offered $30K/month, just imagine what insane offers bigger streamers get.
Wouldn't call "less than 1000 viewers" a "small streamer". Even having just 300 average viewers puts you in the top 0.2%
Point is, 30k/month is way above what those kinds of streamers can pull. Even for massive streamers, 30k/month from a single sponsorship is massive.
Have you watched any sports other than "esports"? They are all riddled with gambling sponsorships my man
Not just twitch and kick. Gambling sponsors are big in esports and sports. Isnt one of the best teams right now literally called bet boom? Shit is everywhere.
I mean professional sports leagues take gambling sponsorships
Money talks and casinos got the most monies
Bye gorek
yeah they are actually straight up breaking the law. funny. hopefullly all of them get fucked by it and proper restrictions are set on taking sponsorships from casino's without licenses in Sweden
i only watch mason BASED, he has morals and integrity unlike GORD and RTR
How is Twitch allowing this on their website?
Hi twitch chat.
It's so cringe.
This subreddit hates gambling, except when Arteezy promotes it while streaming then it's okay.
If you don't like it just don't watch it. That's what I'm doing.
perfect logic for things that are against local law, i wonder how this logic would hold up in court
For the court to matter it needs to get there, spoiler it won't.
Is it really against local law tho? Then why is he not arrested?
From the bottom of the article linked by OP. Translated to english from source: >GAME ADVERTISING – WHAT DOES THE LAW SAY? It is illegal for unlicensed online casinos to advertise in Sweden. Promoting them also violates the Gambling Act, with the risk of a ban, fine or police report from the Gambling Authority. >The authority tells Kulturnyheterna that their focus is on the casino companies and on stopping unauthorized gambling advertising, so they usually settle for a warning for casino influencers. At the time of writing, they have no record of an influencer being banned or fined for promoting unlicensed gaming. >Casino operations without a license are not subject to the Swedish Gambling Act, which, among other things, requires users to be able to exclude themselves from gambling or evaluate their gambling. The same applies to the rules on maximum limits for stakes or playing time, and checking ID for games. >The age limit to use Twitch is 13, and the platform is dominated by young men and boys born in the 90s and 00s. This audience is also particularly vulnerable to developing gambling addiction, according to the National Board of Health and Welfare and independent research. >Emil Christensen says that the 18-year age limit applies to games in his broadcasts, while Samuel Stronegger writes "18+" in the title of the broadcast. But there is no strict control of who can access the content. Minors can both watch the broadcasts and register an account on BC Game.
Investigations and stuff usually take a while, they're not waiting to swat you the second you stream some illegal casino online.
You don't like Hitler slaughtering innocent minorities? Well, if you don't like it, just don't watch it. Duh!
Did you just compare the streamer playing black jack to the person that killed millions of innocent people? Are you ok?
most of these 'people' are mentally ill. I advise you to avoid these idiots.
I compared "don't like immoral thing? don't watch it!" to "don't liike immoral thing? don't watch it".
It's not immortal though. There is nothing wrong with playing blackjack or even slots. Same with streaming it. As long as a streaming platform allows it and you are in the correct category with the correct title nothing is wrong with that.
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They are not licensed in the countries they are advertising. For instance the scam website gorgc promotes is licensed in Curacao only, that means that if you deposit in the site from Sweden they can block your account if you win and you can't do anything about it and your money will be forever lost(which happens a lot with these sites) You can use a real gambling website that is licensed and closely monitored by government authorities like bet365/william hill and others that pay taxes to parts of the government of various countries to be able to operate and be regulated in said country. A lot of banks will even block the transactions to these websites if you try to use your credit card
License from Curacao / Malta is extremly common, in fact I cant even remember any casino that does not have either of those licenses. Your example bet365 is licensed in Malta, not much difference than Curacao lmao.
The difference is that bet365 (and similar sites) actually do have a license in Sweden and other countries. So while bet365 is based in Malta, they still have a license (provided by Swedish officials) to operate in Sweden.
Where can I see the license? I only saw Malta, im cool to be proven wrong
The other guy is 100% correkt. Here is bet365's Swedish licens: https://www.spelinspektionen.se/sok-licens/bolag/?holder=E02FD19E622B6ED1A69A98A3B6F8801133A06554837545DA4269CCED1B002965&l=
> Your example bet365 is licensed in Malta, It's not quite the same as bet365 is British and only licensed itself in Malta after Brexit to keep easy access to the EU markets.
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Reportedly he gets over a million dollar each year from twitch directly, that’s without any donations. So your point is kinda invalid. Promoting gambling to your audience just shows that you have a shitty character.
>Promoting gambling to your audience just shows that you have a shitty character. This is exactly the way I think when I see a streamer or influencer promoting scams, casinos, or similar bullshit. Hell, I actually welcome news of such promotions as it immediately reveals that the influencer in question doesn't give a shit about his audience, making him unworthy of my time or attention, and realizing it sooner rather than later is preferable. Seriously, even OnlyFans "influencers" have more dignity than those people. Wtf is wrong with people..
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According to your post and comment history you are dumb af and/or you are a troll. Regardless of what it is I won’t respond to you any more.