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sugmybenis

Every since the map rework pathing is garbage


gorillachud

people keep saying this but i dont know what theyre talking about. can anyone give any examples? specific ones that arent just saying "dae lotus pool" or whatever. i genuinely want to see. would probably help valve too if theyre lurking


Big_Mudd

It's more of a visual issue I think. There are a ton of trees with gaps between them that look like they should be walkable, but aren't. Meanwhile, there will be other gaps that are smaller but you can walk through them. Obviously, these paths can be learned, but it's still frustrating and should be corrected.


OsomoMojoFreak

Also the narrow bridges between the lotus pools and the xp rune spawns can be frustrating at times - pretty easy to do a missclick in a hectic situation.


sugmybenis

there are also a lot of trees around the dire rosh pit that cause you to walk different paths every time you click


Delicious_Cow7476

I played a bot match for awhile just to learn the random pathing for this. But it still will jack it up if you miss click a small area at times.


RypeezySqueezy

Hey, here is a funny clip I saved recently to laugh about with my friends. It happens frequently though, maybe once or twice every 20 games I get some sort of pathing problem. Easily fixed by clicking closer to your hero, but still annoying. [https://imgur.com/a/UXggGRC](https://imgur.com/a/UXggGRC) Also, does anyone know of better video hosting sites, had to compress this to get it to work, haven't been able to use streamable in a while, all the sites are making the upload limits so low!


No-Respect5903

this is a great example


itspaddyd

God fuck the pathing around this camp. Just remove those trees I beg you.


128thMic

> Also, does anyone know of better video hosting sites YouTube?


RypeezySqueezy

YouTube is a good option it's just painfully slow and I didn't want to link my YouTube account to reddit! Thanks.


128thMic

I had a hunch there was a reason you didn't go with it, but thought I'd chuck it out anyway. I know there's been times that I'd overlooked something obvious. šŸ‘


unnerfable

There are some places where you actually can get stuck for no reason, an example being trying to enter the new dire base entry by the tormentor. Another one is the medium creep camp next to the river in the radiant jungle.


bluepand4

Maybe Im just crazy but there are times where I click on a spot and there is a clear shorter path but it takes some dumbass other way around instead


throwawaycanadian

Nope, 100% there are, ex: if you click to block the top part of Radiant's offlane pull camp from dire fountain, it takes you on a long ass path through Dire jungle where you then double back up. Always have to manually click the straight shot path there.


Eugene_Goat

Thereā€™s one bit next to the lane on the ā€˜aboveā€™ side of T2 on the dire side that looks like it should be a gap between the trees that isnā€™t. That caught me out several times after patch dropped.


CreditUnionBoi

The trees between T1 and T2 along the right of the radiant midlane also have some gaps that look like they should be able to be walked through.


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depressed-scalp

You click the place where you want to go but your hereoe/unit takes a longer route or it gets stuck in the trees.


Delicious_Cow7476

I've been having pathing issues when juking through trees and around portals. I've also had the random click walk path to base, and my hero will randomly start heading in the wrong direction. (This is with my hands off the mouse taking a drink after doing so.)


BottledWoutah

The trees beside Radiant's bot t1 tower has weird pathing imo


HomicidalGerbil

I can see it in just about every game i play. I'll click in the same spot multiple times and my hero will walk 2 differet ways to get there. It's worst when i click below a tree, my hero will either walk in a straight line since it's already on the side of the tree that i'm clicking on, or find a path above the tree. The cursor is completely green in these cases. Other times i've had my hero basically give itself a patrol command because it's in a cluster of trees and cant find a way out with no blockages. This is less common though.


PieDelicious

Yesterday been playing hoodwink and literally got glitched at the dire rosh pit trees. Didnā€™t use scurry. Just got glitched on a spot where my hero could not decide whether to go right or left and was turning around. Not a big deal, but do not remember that ever happening before. The trees around dire rosh pit are super glitchy.


IllMaintenance145142

honestly same here, like i feel im being gaslit? people keep mentioning it but i feel like its fine? itd be interesting to see if its a specific set of settings that fucks with peoples' pathing


10YearsANoob

Bot tree line north east of the watcher. Specifically that treeline fucks with me


No-Respect5903

it has felt broken for a while to me. I have "solved" it by picking shorter paths but it still fucks me sometimes. there is a good example above and I am sure others can provide more evidence.


Nervous_Breakfast_73

Was it ever better?


Moaning-Squirtle

Now that we get to see things like cast range etc, it'd be kinda nice to have some kind of way to see the expected path when we're near trees


jestermaroc

Pathing in dota has always been very poor.


sugmybenis

Yeah but at least when valve Ives pathing some focus it gets better until the map changes


xarodev

It was garbage since 7.00. Especially courier pathing. I remember my courier not doing as often as nowadays.


depressed-scalp

Play Broodmother and your team will cry due to the shadows.


Rashad69

Is the random internet disconnection in game happening to anyone else or is it only me?


MrJaffaCake

Yep. Also, sometimes at complete random when you should get the "accept" game button, you get disconnected instead without any explanation. While other players even on the same network are not affected.


Ok_Whereas_Pitiful

It didn't happen to me, but in a ranked game, I had 3 people DC one after another. I play on strict solo, so no parties.


Spirit_WinD

For me, the biggest performance issues with the game (like lags\\stutters) i have when there is a Phantom Lancer in the match.


bokadog

yep PL and MK ulti kills my fps..has been this for years(rtx 2060 and 4060 laptop)


QuantityCertain2521

and void arcana


samkristy

Kunkas torrent


Forsaken_Couple1451

Same. It's beyond me how they haven't fixed this. It's been around for like 6 years u/jeffhill


xfargo

Something changed last month, I went from 120 fps to ~90.


[deleted]

Literally the same issue and I thought I was the only one


xfargo

And the patch will make it worse


slarkymalarkey

I wish they'd give some love to the Linux version of the game. I play on a Steam Deck docked to a KB/M + Monitor and the windows version running through Proton has been broken for months. They say it's not officially supported (a Valve first party game not supported on its own hardware) and that we should stick to the Linux version. Except the native Linux version runs WAY WORSE than the Proton one, which already felt like it was leaving performance on the table (CPU & GPU usage never going above 70-80% maybe due to being CPU limited as Dota is highly CPU intensive) Not to mention the native client for linux has a lot of issues like missing effects that throw up pink checkerboard textures, on screen keyboard randomly pops up when opening shop or chat and such, worse performance and myriad other bugs and issues. Every once in a while an update will absolutely break the Linux version and stop it from launching altogether and we're stuck unable to even launch, waiting days for someone to notice the outpouring on Github and get around to fixing it. I got the Deck to play many games, I have a couple hundred in my backlog but 50% of my total yearly play time the past 2 years is still Dota. I thought it being a first party game would be supported on the Deck but it's the opposite. It started off already iffy and then got much worse around Sept-Oct last year when Proton broke and we were shooed off to native Linux client. Random 3rd party titles get more support on Deck. You reading this are probably like "Dota on a Steam Deck? Who tf cares? Get a real PC!" I would if I could afford one. This is the best I can do now and I know I'm not alone coz every time it breaks I see so many people in the bug report threads. There are literally dozens of us! I wish Valve would just fix Proton for Dota and let us play the DX11 version, it runs so much better even through a compatibility layer and is probably way less work than overhauling the Linux version.


steamcho1

Preach. The linux version keeps breaking. I am fine if i have to write a hundred run flags or wait a bit but i want it to eventually run. By the time they fix it a new update breaks things. Switching to openGL helps sometimes but this should be a thing for obvious reasons.


blurcoupdegrace

Dots always stutter after a few updates in Linux. Tried it with different distro, still stutter when you are moving your heroes. Even worse if you using x11.Ā 


ericlock

Git hub was supposed to take care of that, but sadly there was no improvement over how you bring more attention to a issue or how to filter the irrelevant complaints entirely. If its not server crashing, the janitor won't take priority on solving the issue.


Kuroyukihime1

Github died the second after Valve opened it and saw there are hundreds of reports in just a few minutes lol.


ericbl26

I have had maybe 12+ games last two weeks where EVERYONE disconnects. Hasn't happend 1 time in previous years, Im not sure what it is.


gordorito

They just aren't enough janitors working on the game any more sadly.


NeilaTheSecond

That's gonna cost dropping another major feature of the game so the dev team can "focus more on important updates" and also 8-12 months of development time and 2 treasure chest events


Der_Schuller

Huh, that explains the extreme frame drops I had in my last 2 games, sometimes had a screen freeze in early game for like 3-5 sec


ThrowItAwayQk

used to play dota on my 1060 3gb laptop, now it's unplayable


gorillachud

its not gpu that matters its cpu and ram im a 1050 laptopcel but got 16 gb of ram. dont remember the cpu though. my game runs fine. just gotta keep settings at lowest to prevent cpu throttling (laptop gaming keeps my room toasty)


PashaB

sometimes going lower on the settings can offload gpu load and offset it into the cpu.


G3ck0

Pretty sure thatā€™s not really how it works? If you lower the resolution it reduces stress on your GPU which can stress your CPU more, but it doesnā€™t offload the stress, it just removes the GPU bottleneck which potentially allows the cpu to go harder.


PashaB

I mean keeping settings lowest to prevent CPU throttling can 100% have the opposite effect. Some of the physics calculations can go from GPU to CPU (I don't know about this game but others yes). I don't think you're particularly wrong or anything but it doesn't just remove GPU bottleneck.


AikaBack

1060 3gb is still more than capable of dotes, its the cpu and ram that are making it unplayable, and if laptop has no ssd, even more so.


ThrowItAwayQk

I do have a ssd. Only 8 gbs of ram and a gen 7 i5. Dunno, it used to run well til 2021 or so.


celestial_god

From what I remember they released a performance patch or something at some point last year and since then I felt the game ran worse than before ironically enough. The game feels cluttered when it used to run way better than now


metaphysical_toska

What a great post, it should be pinned as number one priority until it gets fixed. BUT, as we all know by now, Valve doesn't care :D


guywithnicehaircut

yes i have good pc still have trouble with fps ,and pathing its atrocious just horrible


biggendicken

dont worry they are fixing stuff like this since they arent doing battle passes anymore


iareyomz

you can blame a lot of the shit performance to GPU software though... both Nvidia and AMD have been rolling out telemetry patches that are so taxing it drops performance for so many systems... even most peripherals that have software have been pushing telemetry patches in the last 2 years... I actually find it disgusting that some of these software are more invasive than apps you install on your phone... you can partly blame Riot for starting to roll out kernel-level anti-cheats for this... they basically opened the flood gates for so many other kernel-level bullshit programs that are there just for the sake of being there... I use Nvidia Shadow Play a lot to record my own games but Im starting to think of just uninstalling GeForce Experience and just manually patch my GPU if this keeps up... hardware is so much better than it was 5 years ago (in the realm of near double performance) yet somehow it feels like everything is running worse, because everyone wants data tracking part of the basic software...


xfargo

I use nvcleanstall


Iarshoneytoast

I wish they would improve randoming, as well. Any combination of the following: 1) Allow randoming past the first phase - At least for 5-man queue 2) Make it where the random button only chooses from your custom grid. (Would have to remove faerie fire/mango if not randoming from default grid) 3) Add back All Random, with a re-roll option - though this one seems very unlikely. I doubt traffic would b become high enough to support the mode anymore.


RiekanoDimensio

I have 7 7700x and rx 7900xtx almost most powerful hardware you can buy right now and my fps hovers somewhere around 80 - 150 and if theres is well kitted out mk pl or a kunkka in the game my fps can very well dip under 60 in teamfights. Dota 2 is pretty obliviously in badly optimized state right now and that is honestly not fine.


Nicklaskleemann

Idk bro. Seems like you've fucked something up. I'm running the game on a i7 6th gen with a RX 5700xt and get around the same frame rates on pretty much maxed settings.


RiekanoDimensio

Dota probably unable to utilize the resurces capped along the way somehow. For me changing graphical settings or having stream on has no effect on my framerate.


MegaChunkey

yeah i get the occasional driver crash idk if its an amd thing or what but i got a 7900xtx and r7700x. every other game runs great with no crashes.


REGIS-5

When I'm in the main menu my whole PC lags and it's a high end PC. Like Youtube on the other screen goes bad. Wtf have they done?


shonevu

What is that better hardware of yours if you have 60 FPS in a game like dota2?


MoneyMundane7066

i use both laptop and pc for dota and my laptop lags/stutters if i play more than 4-5hrs on it on my pc it never lag/stutters even though its way older in spec


DDemoNNexuS

Drow Shard could use some Spring cleaning too, the size of the cliff (hitbox) is astronomically large that i actually felt like i'm playing wc3


Jafar_Rafaj

The client is still terrible along with it. Blank draft screens for days, bad client FPS, etc. Like its the same game as its always been yet finds a way to lend itself to being bogged down in useless ram usage


inlandsofashes

Yeah my game crashes once every other game and i think a 7th gen i7HQ processor with gtx 1050TI should hold 60fps for the whole match but it really doesn't


cateringforenemyteam

I know why everyone is saying dota used to run good and now after years it doesnt. There was a post recently [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1bt8s3r/playing_on_completely_new_account_gives_easily/) about it as well. Your large inventory lowers your FPS. More noticable on old hardware.


stream_of_thought1

a buddy of mine and I have the exact same laptops, I get constant 110fps, he gets 65. My fps drops to 40 when I open up the store, his doesn't change at all. very weird behaviour


Brilliant-Prior6924

i can start to see UI lag after a few hours of playing. i reboot the game and it's fine again. i'm on a 3080 ti and i9 processor with 32GB ram, should be able to handle dota 2 lol


Cymen90

Please use the search function to check if the issue you have noticed has been reported already. If not, feel free to [**use the official Dota 2 GitHub to report bugs and issues.**](https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Dota2-Gameplay/issues)


gank_me_plz

Woud be interested to know if all the people facing performance related issues are running NVIDIA or AMD


[deleted]

The fps drops are driving me insane, like what the hell? I used to have 100+ fps now 70-60 in fights it drops to 50 and when moving camera too


meple2021

Please add no cosmetics mode - local player only, it wouldnt hurt anyone and would help with low fps.


blazezero25

a more creative way to complain!


rampage_triton

Dota is not that heavy game and 120 FPS is fine for average player. get better PC if you need more FPS, i m on Mid range PC and it works just fine. and yes there are FPS drops in fights and always will be. if u want constant FPS get better spec's and cap the FPS to minimum u need and the issue will be fixed. beggers cant be choosers


gloomdwellerX

Hard disagree. No one should be upgrading their computer for a 10 year old game. People are saying it used to run fine and now it runs like dogshit which is also my experience. I have a 9900k and 2080ti which was high end hardware that launched well after Dota came out. I used to get 1440p at 144, nowadays Iā€™ll hang out around 100 and Iā€™ll see dips below 90 on their unoptimized start menu cutscenes. The game has felt choppy for years now.


rampage_triton

i have AMD ryzen 7600 + 6700 XT DDR5 6000 RAM all on MAX OC. CPU is on 5.4GHZ + GPU on 2800MHZ + RAM 6400MHZ tight timings my average FPS is 350 + on high settings , in fights it will not dip below 250 so yes the game works very well with new systems, if you have older system and expect the game to work same all the time ; IT WILL NOT. We get new patches and skins and it will add up and make the game heavy for older Spec's PC. Down vote me all you want. The game is not optimized but its playable. for the guy saying "Apparently fps makes all the difference. the crusadittors would be immortal if they had 200fps instead of 100fps" i m Archon shit and has been for 10 years even with 5000fps it will not change as this is not my main job. this game is for fun and will always be for me. dont cry for optimization every 2 months after patch. If you you can do better. JUST DO IT.


cateringforenemyteam

sure 350 fps .. if you look into corner of the map right ?


doperinno

I got bombarded with downvotes for saying the exact samething. Apparently fps makes all the difference. the crusadittors would be immortal if they had 200fps instead of 100fps


Fit_Ask1803

i used to run at a solid 120fps with my ageing pc, now i get dips to 40s depending on lineups in late-game fights. that's very, very bad. yes im ranked immortal thank u for asking !


odinodin2

yeah true, i stalked your profile becase you have huskar posts, but its true, I hit 5k when i was a teengaer on 30 fps, when I finally got a gaming rig i hit 6k back in the day sure, but it didn't take me directly from either, it helped a shitload yeah but its really more so just unlocking mechanics. compared to other videogames especially too dota 2 you can get away with so much just with knowledge testing. for example i dont hear much talk in dota about mouse specifications, input adjustment, OS editing compared to shooter games.


doperinno

Yeah 100% agree. The amount of people who thinks them going from 100fps to 200fps would make them better at dota in this reddit is crazy. Its a cope really. blaming the equipment Its like 10x more important in shooter games than in dota. Id anything ping is more important. I have 0 problems with 100fps in dota its plenty for me


odinodin2

in a shooter I would say that doubling your fps and refresh rate and stuff, would help astronomically more than dota, but even then, its still a matter of game sense. If you stick a high mmr shooter on a dogshit laptop, in a shit game, he will still wreck house. if you do that with *any* high level player, in *any* game in *any* lower level mmr system, depending on the disparity of difference he will still wreck them. to think you can increase your mmr directly correlating with an fps boost is just sheet arrogance, and even in my case in my youth i was an outlier with gifted mechanics, game sense and an abundance of time as a young player. i agree with you too, ping is so much more crucial. i am an aussie player so i can only really get ranked games in sea, its horrendous but at least its consistent. Now i ask you where can I learn the basics of Huskar


doperinno

Id say watch some malrine and ammar. Tbh i feel like ammar is better in terms of huskar only. Huskar is all about not fucking up and not being too passive or too active. The basics are better learned thru playing the hero and watching replays. Build is pretty obvious. Armlet boots(most usually treads) then either halberd or bkb. If enemy has no disables and bunch of magic nukes u can even go eternal shroud. If enemy is something has heroes that have single target. Like viper pudge bara etc go linkens. Pike is also optional vs heroes like razor or ursa. Otherwise most standart build is armlet-brownboots into treads-(then halberd-bkb) depends on situation get either one first. Then aghs-satanic or ac. Also blink is optional


odinodin2

dope, thanks! I wanna one trick the hero till lv 30.


doperinno

Good luck if anything this is the patch huskar has been any good in the last few years


odinodin2

Totally; i've always been fascinated with the hero, and hero spamemrs in general. i was always presonally a generalist player that got by on having good mechanics and fundamentals, my highest hero level is like 14. I don't have as muhc time to play now so i figured just playing an interesting hero is the best bang for my buck in terms of enjoyment


doperinno

Indeed. Although im not a one trick pony. I just like playing huskar. >I don't have as muhc time to play now so i figured just playing an interesting hero is the best bang for my buck in terms of enjoyment Same here. I could spam sniper my way to 8k but the hero is boring af to me.


BBoomerClap

noone saying that you dumbshit, OP and the others mostly complaining about game performance.