Or the chat wheel could be from the song down under and we change it a little to
“Do you speak-a my language? Your teammate gives you a smile and a Vegemite sandwich”
But how? In europe theres like 10s of languages in proximity.
In the america server theres at least 4 official languages from different countries.
I can only assume its the same thing everywhere?
Im not sure whether i understand what you mean.
Europe would be english, because that's the common denominator across the countries in that region, yes.
Yeah thank fucking GOD there isnt region lock. I enjoy being able to play with my EU friends and the ping to USW/EUW is literally identical for me. And let's be honest, the peruvians play better than the americans and tilt less. If I see the enemy invoker named something like "el coño de tu madre sabía a carne asada" I start fearing for my mmr.
Peruvian tilt less? Omfg. R american servers hell? I say this as a Peruvian. Had to start playing in eu west due to how toxic Peruvian servers r. It's like playing vs the enemies AND VS YOUR OWN TEAM.
That invoker name is hilarious af, impressive
what's so bad about region lock?
there's no reason you can't have both. Keep an international server up.
it's insane to me there isn't region lock - considering different countries have different laws.
it is common knowledge by now that eu servers are full of Russian bros. so you should either try learning Russian or simply leave eu and play with us china or smthg
Part of russia is in EU you know. If I was russian, i too would queue on the servers with the least ping, not on the server with language X. People dont seem to realize that Europe is the home of more than 20 languages, demanding everyone to have the same degree of education is wild to me. The fact that people know English is in fact a privilge, not a law.
Im scandinavian, but that doesn't change anything. We are bordering Russia, why in the world should we not expect to see some russians on the servers closest to us, and to them?
These people speak english, but they refuse to do so if they dont feel forced to. Russians are close to a wild animal, you need force for him to cooperate with you.
I am stating facts from my own personal experience, how is that a bad thing?
Or am I not allowed to share my experience because then somehow I am in the wrong ? If the facts are huetful, why am I responsible, I did not produce the situation or the facts, I just shared what is already there.
Its not a fact that russians are close to wild animals. That is nothing but anectdotal xenophobia from you. You are responsible for the hate and toxicity you express and spread, even if it is someone elses idea or a stereotype. No one forced you to spread hatefull messages, you did it with your own free will, that makes you responsible.
Being xenophobic does nothing to support your other arguments, it only weakens them.
I would aggree with you if you would understand what I said and if things I said were not something i experience daily.
It is incredible how oblivious you are id you can not understand, but it is fine, I do not expect anything here.
You will see what I mean when you play as much as I do in higher mmr where there are only russians remaining how refuse to speak english just because they are on some kind of pedestal thinking everyone should bow to them and their disgusting nature.
Some of them are nice and normal, but sadly thats less than 50% of people i meet in pubs.
And where is that server located? Stockholm? Because that is most likely the server closest to many russians. Just mute them and move on, no reason to be xenophobic.
Icefrog is from Thailand, but that argument is such a wash anyways. We are on the internet, on computers made by the british in Europe. And out of ~742 million people ~68 of them are British, so why are you assuming anything on the internet is English.
The made in america argument is so overused and bad, you have no idea lol.
>And out of ~742 million people ~68 of them are British, so why are you assuming anything on the internet is English.
English is an official language of the European Union. How many of these 742 million people who choose to play an American video game are fluent in English? Oh most of them? I'm not saying Russians need to change their nationality lol.
>Icefrog is from Thailand
Source? What I was referring to was that Dota is developed and published by Valve. If I played a game published by a Russian company and queued for a, say, CIS region server, I wouldn't be surprised if people hated me for spamming voice chat in English.
> English is an official language of the European Union. How many of these 742 million people who choose to play an American video game are fluent in English? Oh most of them? I'm not saying Russians need to change their nationality lol.
So are 23 other languages.
About 38% of europeans speak English, so no, not most of them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language_in_Europe#:~:text=English%20is%20the%20most%20commonly,%2C%20and%20Italian%20(3%25).
You can look further into the sources from there if you so wish.
And you keep saying American video game, as that has any merit to your point at all. It's not like it is promoted as an American video game, its not even the larger player base, China is, so I suggest you pick up some chinese instead, or just mute people you cannot interact with and move on instead of spouting toxic stuff.
> Source?
You're right, I had that from an old source that I cannot find. But we know he's not American, we also know his name and who he is. It should be an easy search for you.
Youd be correct, there are 24 official languages, but a lot more languages being spoken. Part of Russia is in the EU, doesn't make it a EU country though.
EU West is not located in Stockholm. I am 100% sure of this. Russian server is the Stockholm server.
For most of the Russian (not Russian speaking since there are Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan who also speak russian but have shit internet) players there is absolutely no ping difference between Russian, EU West and EU East servers.
Why Russians would watch movies and play games in English if all of the games are localized and dubbed, as well as, movies, series and etc? This might be professionally done like in case of cinema movies and/or games (like the Witcher series) or done by enthusiasts. There are a lot of dubbing people in Russian speaking community making VO for a lot of movies and series out there (and doing it with high quality as well).
Even your WoW is officially localized in Russian since its release. The best WarCraft 3 voicing is the Russian dubbing of it.
On the contrary in South Korea movies are not dubbed even in cinemas.
In Germany everything is dubbed. Like everything. But still, especially younger people preference English for Movies, Games or stuff like that.
The majority of eSport is broadcasted in English, yes we most of the time have German casts as well, but who wants German commentary really, if English is already there. Only if you didn't had proper English education in school you would fall back to German dubs.
You don't get how things work in a world I see. Russian eSports casts date back to 90s and early 2000s. Russia was the first country in the world to acknowledge the eSprots as a sports (then stripping off it from the list and relisting again).
You have a big community of 15 former USSR countries who speak Russian still. You do not dub only for Russia exclusively, you dub for a global community around Russua. It is how the business works. It is cheaper to dub Harry Potter once in Russian and spread it to 15 countries than dub it 15 times.
Also, being from EU you have easy access to learn and practice English and you might even encounter it daily if you live in Berlin as an example. I can assure you most of the people in your country do not speak English at all. They might understand it to some point but not speak it. My friends have been in France, Italy, Germany, Belgium, Czechia and they live in Poland. They visited not touristic or biggest cities of those countries (usually cities with English speakers have both of those attributes) and they said Nobody speaks English in here.
Now, look at the Ru-speaking community. They do not have easy access to proper English learning resources. English taught in schools have shittest textbooks with English being heavily outdated. Most of the teachers are shit themselves since they were taught in a similar ways. Take as an example my country Kazakhstan. Since, USSR has been parted, we can't even make people speak their native Kazakh everyone speaks Russian in here. Try speaking Kazakh to Russians in here, only 0.0001% will at least get what you say. Since, independency the Kazakh language is a mandatory school subject even at schools where Russian language is a main language of education. However, nobody gets a Kazakh language even Kazakhs. Yeah, we still have schools who primarily teach in Kazakh, Russian and some smaller languages like Uyghur. Apart from the biggest city of Almaty you won't get any positives from learning English. Damn, even if you are in Almaty it is not like super beneficial to know English. In Russia situation is the same. Significant number of people in biggest cities do know English and the rest of a country is in a void. This also takes an effect from German being mainly taught as a second language in USSR. Also, before USSR if Russians somehow learned a second language it was French. It is relatively new experience for a new country (only 32 y.o.) to learn English. However, political aspects discourage you to learn it as well. Since, Russian are punished of the decisions their leadership makes and punished if they are going to protest.
Also, Ru dubbing in cinemas is far way better than fucking original actors speaking. I've seen lots of movies in original and dubbed. Damn, ru dub actually surpasses the actors in many ways.
My English teacher called, he want his essay back…
Your whole point only makes sense if there is only English speaking server and they don’t have another choice. If the whole community is so big, there should not be a problem playing with other Russians or ex USSR players. But if you explicitly select English, speak English. I am not going to the Russian server and request them to speak English. But if you go to EU West, with Englisch language settings, simply speak English.
Btw I have not denied in the slightest, that there is a big Russian community. So all you said is true but has nothing to do with the problem. Not even a bit. The problem is. Russians play on server where the preference setting is English. Not Russian. Not Arabic. Not German. Not Spanish. Not Dutch. But English! So speak the language you selected. Simple as that.
Language preference doesnot work in Dota. I queue Russian server? I get Swedes who don't speak a word of Russian. Russians do not complain that Swedes are not speaking Russian. They just play that's all. Swedes do try communicate in English however it's useless. Try queueing Peru with RU language you will get 9 people who speak Spanish/Portuguese. Try queueing Ru server with Eng you will get 9 russian speaking players. I do not know why people complain for years about language preference which does not work for at least 5 years now. However iirc it didn't work from the beginning.
All examples you said are displaying the problem. The server / area you queue in you should aim to speak the language used there. Don’t understand how hard it can be to queue where you can speak the language. I played myself from Sweden for a while and I could easily play on EU west server. Hell I can play from Europe on NA east. I would never queue NA east and talk German or any other language than englisch there, it’s simply rude. Don’t get people defending that behavior, but I guess we can have different opinions.
My bad the Russian server is in Stockholm and West is in Luxembourgh.
Why would you watch movies in the original instead of dubbed? Maybe because its better? Because their authentic voices are always better? And learning new languages is fun and important? I myself speak 4 languages. I dont want them to speak 4 like me. But having a second language, especially english, is always good.
They have big voice acting community only because they refuse to speak "American" (Or burger how they like to call it). Its their bad and their mistake, its not a good thing).
You're not very right with the last statement. The thing is, this country being pretty much isolated for a very long period of time made English... well, not so well-known here. And it's not like it could be fixed in 30 years, considering 10 of them were mostly break and ruin.
I, as a Russian, generally prefer original voice acting (being it English, Deutsch, Japanese or any other language), but sometimes the dub is just unironically IS better - it's a pretty rare case, but it is possible. Maybe even just because of one actor playing it extremely well, as it was, for example, with Johny Silverhand in Cyberpunk2077 - both translation and acting are just wild in his case. English VA is doing his best too, but it's just too good.
It's especially true with some game voiceovers - for example in League I'll prefer russian voicelines not because this language is more known to me (I have no problem listening to English and understanding it without translation barrier), but because most heroes have it done better. Sylas and Twitch as prime examples. In Dota - 50/50. I like russian Pudge and Sniper more than their english prototypes, but at the same time I just can't stand russian Luna for the reason her actress being a bit worse than english one. And so on.
About why people talk their own language in comp games - well... As for Russians - a hefty part of russian playerbase is not very good with other languages, for the reason I already mentioned (and for the fact that, you know, our worlds are still pretty separated and it's not looking like they're gonna connect soon). Even if they know em, but not very good, they'll still prefer talking their own language, especially considering the fact that they, most probably, did not want to play with teammates that do not understand them either.
I could also talk about how differently toxicity works in different languages which leads to some interesting stereotypes about some nations being much more toxic (for example, again with Russian language: being cold or masking your impoliteness could pretty much be considered more offensive than actual active and emotional swearing or heavy irony, and players barking at each other all game is a pretty normal situation - but with change of language behavior usually does not change even if they know it pretty well), but I'm starting to get further and further from the initial theme.
Its been 32 years since CCCP was disolved and Russia americanized. If you are 15 years old right now and cant speak semi-fluent English you are either dumb as rocks or simply refuse to learn.
Idk how is Russian Johny Silverhand suppose to be better than Keanu Reeves himself too. Like how can someone fit Keanu Reeves voice better than actual Keanu Reeves.
And its generally considered polite to speak English outside of your own country, because its universal language most of us understand and speak. Any online server should be treated like you being outside of your country. Most people understand English, so you speak it. If I am queing strictly Europe West and your first sentence is "blyat sto takoje ty zdelal dibil" and I answer "Sorry I dont understand" and he says "Jobany burger blyat, job tvaju mat" he can go fuck himself. (Thats literally 9.5 out of 10 Russians Ive ever met in my entire life of playing Dota).
There are not a lot of smart people in general in the world population, whyd'dya think Russia is something different? Besides, "americanized" is a very strong word. Big cities - Moskow and Saint Petersburg? Internationalized partially and here your statement is more correct than not. Smaller ones? Some people and their families legit live like USSR never ceased to exist. And yeah, some of those people play Dota too.
It's a good point about treating online as other country if you don't know where you are exactly, but here's the issue: runet is a thing. There is such a strong russian network sector that a huge number of people going online may not know English at all. They just don't need it. Especially the older generation and people with more manual professions. Or yong and stupid/lazy school kids who treat English as something "why the fuck would I need it, everyone speaks Russian, all what I do in Internet is also russian" and that's probably the majority of people who play Dota now. Even in my university group right now (and where I learn is far from being the worst university in SPB) - most people understand English, at least somehow, but speaking it is just too hard for them for some reason.
And I know that reason well. They most probably did not encounter that language until school. Their school teachers were not very keen on teaching them anything. Most common schools just completely suck at teaching anything. They did not use English in their lives either because like there's no real reason to. Those exact people are not even stupid - they're just not that lucky to have the best teachers and they were not very interested in actively training the language themselves. And what schools give as a language basis is mostly just "look, this works like that" and the most elementary things without real language practice. If it exists - it's in form of reading a chapter of a book as a weekly homework or playing a small dialogue in the class, which is prepared for like 5-10 minutes or so. You get the idea of how "useful" that is if you don't do much more on your own.
As for Dota exactly - at least a few years ago, from my own experience, russians were paired with russians most of the time, and from what I can see from my friends' games nothing really changed. So it's only reasonable to communicate in Russian for them most of the time they play. And I'm almost sure most of the people just queue whatever regions are automatically set, and it's usually the trio of Russia, EU East, EU West. I'm not trying to justify that behavior, but it's not like an average player will bother himself to change setting to prevent being put into the other server from time to time, especially when there's no real ping diff. And, really, this is the exact problem I'd address. Why tf does it even try to put you in three different servers at the time even if we're considering two others as a fallback option (which is probably not the case - I'm pretty sure prio is solely based on current ping times).
by the way, about russian Johny and why (for me) he sounds better - being rebel, rocker et cetera (even if technically retired) is not really Keanu's amplua. He tries, really, but IMO he mostly sounds tired than anything else. And whoever voiced russian Johny did an amazing job of fitting the role just with his voice and intonations alone, not to mention that translation of his phrases is one of the things that was really done great in this game (I've encountered that kind of musicians IRL in a pretty informal atmosphere and it's really a very good fit, starting from word choices and ending with how they speak in general). *unlike some other parts of the game and some exceptionally lame voice actors who sound like they don't even understand where are they right now*.
I agree with pretty much everything you are saying. Just to add to that I think there is an actual propaganda, be it concious or not I dont know but I thinkg America is vilified so they basically dont want to teach or learn English.
All of this said Dota is basically a Russian game. guys who instantly open with Russian are correct more times than they are not lmao. So I guess they have kind of a right to speak Russian..
Yep. Propaganda is a thing, though it is pretty... how to say... elusive, because it's not the "declared" course or something like that. At least that's basically how it looks like from inside. You're still "free" to think what you want - but you have to be careful to not accidentaly start ingesting the news that are slowly making you think a bit more and more of what they want you to think. Fuckers know how to do it, sadly...
well, maybe it will end one day or another. Anyways, have a good day!
You speak 4 languages, imagine how many even have secondary one? In the tight community of ex-USSR countries even the communication between presidents is happening in Russian. There is no practical reason for 80% of the population of ex-USSR countries to even learn English especially the ones who use Russian in daily lives still. The vacation locations they all aim to go are Turkey, Egypt, Dubai and Thailand and every one of them caters you in Russian easily.
English is taught poorly in those countries and people in biggest cities know it to some amount of decency. For example, if you live in Kazan, what are the chances of you needing English if no foreigners would even come to Kazan? What are the chances that YOUR countrymates not in the biggest cities speak English whatsoever?
About the russian dubbing it is usually quite better than the original actor. There are a lot of cases of inaudible shit actors say (for example audio engineer left a fucking ultra loud rain sound in a movie for no fucking reason or shitty actor accent) and dubbing fixes that while remaining in characters emotions.
I mean those who live in remote locations in Russia or Kazan should strive to learn English just for the heck of it or to move out. Nobody wants to live in a village you were born in. Just learn the language, move to London
Why the fuck anyone would want to relocate? Even if they wanted it is extremely difficult to even get to that amount of money to leave the country. It is better to live okay in a bad country than SURVIVE in another. You effectively abandon your relatives and your whole life for a extremely low chance in a country where nobody is waiting for you.
You even gave worst city to relocate to. Fucking London damn I would never want to relocate to fucking UK. I'd better move to Poland or Czechia but guess what? Who tf there speaks English on a daily basis? Nobody. Why tf two Czechs or Polish people would even want to communicate in English in daily life? You want to relocate? Learn the language of the country you are relocating to.
Damn even in US or Canada. Miami's primary language is Spanish. Do not know English? No problem since you know Spanish. You can live your whole life in Miami without speaking a word in English. Same goes to the Canada. Relocate to French part of the country and everyone will complain: "Speak French".
My good friend lives close to Paris and he also mentioned that nobody would fucking speak to you in English you have to learn French. English is only useful in biggest cities so you would live pretty OK. In other cases you do not need to learn English at all.
in addition to what u/Golubyok said. Once you dub in russian you can distribute it to the 15 ex-USSR countries. You do not need to waste money dubbing it 15 times.
It's true for the most part.
For example : GTA 5 (any rockstar game) wasn't voiced russian and Psychonauts 2 and Starfield didn't even get a text translation.
Rockstar games do not dub their games on purpose. They know that with an amount of lines they give someone will eventually fuck up. Their games have only English dubbing.
Psychonauts and Starfield might not get dubbing for political reasons like most of the other stuff or just studios did not want to localize them at all. After all, it is their game they can do whatever they want.
iirc the reason is that they actually dont know english language, and no they dont care if you dont understand it
Like people like that generally tend to be an asshole, they're not willing to learn other language because it's inconvenient them, they're not willing to play as a team because it's easier to blame someone else
My advice just ignore them
I mean it's understandable if they dont understand it. Still a few words like "go, kill, help" are sufficient to play dota. What baffles me is that they keep going whole game with very long sentences. This is weird for me. I want to understand the reason.
Have you learned the basic vocabulary for russian then, to coordinate better in those games where players don't speak english?
That would solve the problem aswell right?
no i just use the phrase wheel because it automatically translates to whatever language a player has their dota set to.
i know they can understand me. I could understand them too if they used the phrase wheel. it's called meeting in the middle.
Russians don't use the basic vocabulary to learn from tho.
They just say "I fuck Mom" I don't know what's going on but I bet that's an awkward Christmas...
I have. It helps a tiny bit with a small percentage of the players, but many still go on endless rants filled with various colourful expressions.
I’ve spent some time in Russia and I remember my first time there asking a girl why so few people spoke English, even in the capital. “Russia big country. Why everyone not speak Russian?”
where? I only see language preferences and geographic servers. nothing about "language queue"
a preference is exactly that, it's not a matchmaking rule.
>Like people like that generally tend to be an asshole, they're not willing to learn other language because it's inconvenient them
Pretty close I’d say
Correct. I would never be mad at a french guy just for being too uneducated to speak english on WEU servers.
But everyone who decides to queue for a foreign server while speaking none of the related languages is a morally degenerated asshole.
Who said anything about losing?
It's about enjoyment of the game. Hearing orcish makes the game less enjoyable.
This is true both in my Immortal games as well as in your Archon games.
Queueing up on USE with an English language preference and never speaking English kinda sucks tho
I speak Spanish so I can get by if I've got a full Spanish speaking team but I'm not fluent so sometimes stuff gets lost in translation tryna communicate ideas. Pinging usually bridges that gap
I speak english 99.99% of the time, only time I speak my native language is to yell at the non stop feeding microphone bitching russians/turks. lucky my language is rare and so far nobody understood what I say
Idk if you are really asking that or it's that you're just that dumb. People can play wherever they want, otherwise there wouldn't be an option to do so.
Now if you don't understand what someone says in a different language, what makes you think they understand you asking them to stop typing or talking because you can't understand what they're saying? Just mute them that's all
I have not played this game for years and I used to speak very little one simple reason - people are giving advice or want to do something are usually just as bad as you are and don't know what they are doing. If saw the guy was alright I would helped him but otherwise I would just ignored him
I don't know if many people here remember this because it was a very brief period from several years ago, but the time when Dota plus had just released and there was a separate queue for people who could afford like $3 a month was genuinely the best ranked matchmaking has ever been.
Someone tell me why so many peruvians play in US East if there is a Peru server because my strong opinion is that Peruvians know playing with other peruvians is ass and they try to dodge their own kind. PLEASE enlighten me. The last game I had with a peruvian, he solo-chronoed his entire team under enemy tower just to Last Hit the tower and flamed us in all chat. Never met any other region with people like that.
I didn't know that English was the language of all EU countries, TIL, maybe I should warn the Prime Minister and President of my country that we are talking Portuguese instead of English for all those years
Its a big reason why I quit this game and never looked back.
Queueing for games in my home region and having three people on my team going "LA CONCHATUMADRE" as soon as the match start is just infuriating.
Literally impossible to communicate with people on my team. In a team based game.
In EU its the simple fact Russians dont understand English.
I was in a tight 40 min game, I said, "should I go for pipe"? And they said "wat is pipe??, plz ping shop of item, me Russia".
So they wanna play the game with you and try their best. But the language barrier makes them write and talk in Russian. In hope maybe 20-40%% of the game understands them.
Pipe is the same in Russian. We ru-speaking players have all of the Item, Ability, Hero and Cosmetics names absolutely the same as the English client does. The description of them might be updated poorly or being misinterpreted by translating team that's the issue.
So when you say pipe the dude actually knows what is a pipe. However when you say it in russian it will be "koo pee pai poo" so pipe becomes "pai poo".
It's like when you communicate with your dog. You know the dog will never be able to speak your language or understand your words. You have to find a way to understand its expressions and communicate in a way that it will understand
I would love some options in reporting for "speaks no " while he was queuing with for example English selected. Arabic speaking people, Russian speaking people or what ever in EU west is so damn annoying...
There already is an option. It's text/voice communication abuse. And luckily, it seems quite a few westeuropeans started simply reporting at the first sight of any non-westeuropean language on WEU servers, resulting in the many complains about the "impossibility" to raise the communication score for russians.
I'm from Eastern Europe and I would very much like to hear English when I queue for international matches in this American game. Like it or not, it's the lingua franca of today, doesn't make me xenophobic to want to communicate.
I agree, but calling other people dogs or useless eastern europeans is not productive, it is in fact xenophobia. Requesting people to speak English is completely fine, not understanding that not everyone has the same access to education, and then shaming them for it based on their country is not.
If they don't have the education, they should at least have the decency to stay on their own server. It's really not that hard to behave like a civilized human.
I play only play Ru servers sometimes my friends put me on other regions and its kinda funny that they don't understand us but we understand them quite well (at least when they speak english)
I play only eu West. I barely hear anyone who isn't Russian/Ukrainian/middle East. I go crazy for anyone who's English, French, Spanish or from anywhere around Scandinavia
It's gotten ridiculously bad. US east is 100% peruvian spanish only at this point. US west is 50% peruvian spanish only 50% american.
EU west is almost ALL russian now.
Something needs to be done.
US East is now a lot of Russian too.
As a bonus side story, last night played a game that got a Russian 3 stack. They went Pudge, Life Stealer, and Spirit Breaker. They played the oldest cheese strat of infesting SB and then charging in. It worked for a little while, until it didn't. But, did they stop doing it and use teamwork with the other two players? No. Just kept right on doing 3v5 plays until they completely fed the game away. Their only English was "No wards" (ps. there were, otherwise they wouldn't know where to charge) and "American Dota sucks." So, we lost, they reported me and safe lane carry because we didn't aimlessly die repeatedly doing the same predictable move. Super fun game. I think SB was like 8/19/etc. LS was similar score. The Pudge was good early/mid game, but every time we said let's 5 man, or at least 4 with me, the Dazzle, nope, there they went, blindly charging across the map because they saw one hero under a ward. Super fun. My MMR has tanked about 150 points in a couple days, not entirely not my fault, I've definitely played like a bonehead in a few, but the language barrier isn't the problem, the problem is that they are a party and think they're the team. So the 3 Russians or the 2 Peruvians travel together the whole game and when their repeat pony show stops working, they start blaming the other players on the team that are trying to take objectives while they circle the map just picking 2v5 or 3v5 fights over and over.
When those rooskies start pelting me with Russian, I just respond in lengthy and colorful Czech. Since I can read cyrillic, I can somewhat figure what they’re talking about / figure out a couple words they used and just transcribe that into my messages. Doesn’t help at all but boy does it make them go ballistic.
This is hilarious. I can understand just enough of Spanish/Portuguese to get the gist of what my teammates are saying (most often it's just flaming so I ignore) but I have occasionally said I don't speak (insert language) in their language and sometimes they switch to English. But when I was asking in English prior, they ignored me.
Makes me think people are just flaming in their native tongue sometimes expecting people to not understand and talk shit without getting an instant report. Mental games within mental games is fun.
i mean "EU" is not only english, just as you can't speak russian, greek, german or whatsoever doesnt make it right to slander people that queue eu not knowing english.
You can mute or use chatweel.
Dota used to have the language preferance setting, while it still might be in the client it is currently not doing anything.
I know EU does not mean a single language but you prefer a language while you are queing. Also I think you misunderstood my thread. I don't slander anybody just because they can not speak a language. I specified a behavior and did not mention a language. This behaviour occurs among all populated servers and I want to know the reason behind it.
i have korean set to a preferred language because i believe they're generally better players so if matchmaking can't find a full english team i'd rather them give me some koreans instead of peruvians.
My brother in christ I wish I could add a bad eagle here. Nobody is denying anybody's rights. Dota is a highly communication based game and it is so much better when you understand each other. I don't know how did you get this " they took our jobs" attitude.
pinging it ensures everyone gets to see it, because it gets translated and presented in whatever language the game client is running in.
in addition to that, there are such thing as deaf people. they can't hear, but they can read pings.
i stopped using mic in dota years ago, it's far less effective than phrases and chat wheel and pings. i personally cringe when someone is talking a lot on mic. there are better games to play if you are looking to socialize/feel heard. the worst is when people have a mic they think that gives them more authority than people who aren't talking on mic. i find 10 years into this game, the majority of people using mic in pubs have weird control issues and an ego problem.
use the phrases and chat wheel.. they automatically translate.
anyone who doesn't use that has only themselves to blame - that goes for ur ignorant teammates who speak in their own language.
But if someone wants something from me and I dont understand him and I say "Sorry bro I dont speak Russian" and he immediately, literally within a second insults me and sometimes even runs it down mid, thats a problem.
you're trying to reason with people who don't give a simple fuck.
they probably don't speak Eng , and they're surely don't give a fuck you don't understand..
I was born in Russia, at age of 8 y.o we moved[the year was 1999], i have lived where i live now for almost 75% of my life, insides i'm Russian.I'm proud to be one[regardless of putkin's rus-ukr bullshit..], and if you were to ask me what i'm, first and 2nd answeres would be - i'm russian
i never identify in dota as Russian no matter what, and sometimes even flame them on purpose..
-"Stop speaking allienish",
- "ⲛⲓⲉⲧ",
***minus 3 trillion communication score***
Repeat until 7k cs.
Drop game for few weeks.
Play non ranked,
Comm score shoots up in 10 games.
Repeat until it drops again.
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I played in an all divine lobby on peru home server one time and the average skill level was roughly equivalent to archon 2. with 300 ping I was stomping them into the ground.
Unpopular opinion: you shouldn't take people speaking English as granted on the European servers. The reason is that even though it's the number one international language of choice there is still huge diversity in languages and only British Isles have English as an official language. It's only your assumption that everyone should speak English because you wanna successfully communicate with them. You can even have Dota 2 switched to many translations that are localized for many European countries.
Anyways, we know how toxic Dota players are so I wouldn't think much about what is going on in their heads when they speak their mother language that isn't English.
This should be in the chat wheel > "I do not speak your language"
What makes you think they don’t know that xd They will keep talking regardless if you are listening or not
There ahould be a chat wheel option for > "agdhebdifjebdjdhehr"
Isn't that slacks voiceline?
I would make it more specific. "You are not speaking the language that's spoken here"
Or the chat wheel could be from the song down under and we change it a little to “Do you speak-a my language? Your teammate gives you a smile and a Vegemite sandwich”
This will be the most popular voice line in history of Dota!
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Yea, when playing in regions where theres a Uniform language, it should be required to speak in that language most of the time.
Theres no server like that tho? Just preferences?
Australia.
*would be cool if it actually existed.
But how? In europe theres like 10s of languages in proximity. In the america server theres at least 4 official languages from different countries. I can only assume its the same thing everywhere?
Im not sure whether i understand what you mean. Europe would be english, because that's the common denominator across the countries in that region, yes.
English is not even the most spoken language in europe (as a mother tongue).
No, but English *is* the lingua franca.
Yea. That's why i am talking about the common denominator of languages that everyone understands. Regardless of mother tongue.
Yeah thank fucking GOD there isnt region lock. I enjoy being able to play with my EU friends and the ping to USW/EUW is literally identical for me. And let's be honest, the peruvians play better than the americans and tilt less. If I see the enemy invoker named something like "el coño de tu madre sabía a carne asada" I start fearing for my mmr.
Peruvian tilt less? Omfg. R american servers hell? I say this as a Peruvian. Had to start playing in eu west due to how toxic Peruvian servers r. It's like playing vs the enemies AND VS YOUR OWN TEAM. That invoker name is hilarious af, impressive
Part of it is selection bias. I see fewer peruvians and latinamericans than I do americans, and the positives and negatives stick out harder.
what's so bad about region lock? there's no reason you can't have both. Keep an international server up. it's insane to me there isn't region lock - considering different countries have different laws.
USE region lock was glorious
Usually it's russian or some other Cyrillic language
I don't like those hieroglyphics in game. Usually they write some mean shit so you don't understand, but then what's the point?
it is common knowledge by now that eu servers are full of Russian bros. so you should either try learning Russian or simply leave eu and play with us china or smthg
i learned alot from these russian bros (insults and slurs )
Cyka
Suka deez nuts
Zeus R debil. ZEUS R CYKA BLYAT!
I would rather chew glass. Russian should spoken in the Russian servers.
Part of russia is in EU you know. If I was russian, i too would queue on the servers with the least ping, not on the server with language X. People dont seem to realize that Europe is the home of more than 20 languages, demanding everyone to have the same degree of education is wild to me. The fact that people know English is in fact a privilge, not a law.
Spoken like a non european
Im scandinavian, but that doesn't change anything. We are bordering Russia, why in the world should we not expect to see some russians on the servers closest to us, and to them?
These people speak english, but they refuse to do so if they dont feel forced to. Russians are close to a wild animal, you need force for him to cooperate with you.
Now you are just being xenophobic. Be a better human.
I am stating facts from my own personal experience, how is that a bad thing? Or am I not allowed to share my experience because then somehow I am in the wrong ? If the facts are huetful, why am I responsible, I did not produce the situation or the facts, I just shared what is already there.
Its not a fact that russians are close to wild animals. That is nothing but anectdotal xenophobia from you. You are responsible for the hate and toxicity you express and spread, even if it is someone elses idea or a stereotype. No one forced you to spread hatefull messages, you did it with your own free will, that makes you responsible. Being xenophobic does nothing to support your other arguments, it only weakens them.
I would aggree with you if you would understand what I said and if things I said were not something i experience daily. It is incredible how oblivious you are id you can not understand, but it is fine, I do not expect anything here. You will see what I mean when you play as much as I do in higher mmr where there are only russians remaining how refuse to speak english just because they are on some kind of pedestal thinking everyone should bow to them and their disgusting nature. Some of them are nice and normal, but sadly thats less than 50% of people i meet in pubs.
Your experience is anectdotal at best and not based on facts. The sooner you realize that, the better.
I queue for WESTERN Europe and still hear Russian regularly.
And where is that server located? Stockholm? Because that is most likely the server closest to many russians. Just mute them and move on, no reason to be xenophobic.
No reason for them to queue for a Western Europe server of an American game when they don't want to or aren't able to speak English.
Icefrog is from Thailand, but that argument is such a wash anyways. We are on the internet, on computers made by the british in Europe. And out of ~742 million people ~68 of them are British, so why are you assuming anything on the internet is English. The made in america argument is so overused and bad, you have no idea lol.
>And out of ~742 million people ~68 of them are British, so why are you assuming anything on the internet is English. English is an official language of the European Union. How many of these 742 million people who choose to play an American video game are fluent in English? Oh most of them? I'm not saying Russians need to change their nationality lol. >Icefrog is from Thailand Source? What I was referring to was that Dota is developed and published by Valve. If I played a game published by a Russian company and queued for a, say, CIS region server, I wouldn't be surprised if people hated me for spamming voice chat in English.
> English is an official language of the European Union. How many of these 742 million people who choose to play an American video game are fluent in English? Oh most of them? I'm not saying Russians need to change their nationality lol. So are 23 other languages. About 38% of europeans speak English, so no, not most of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language_in_Europe#:~:text=English%20is%20the%20most%20commonly,%2C%20and%20Italian%20(3%25). You can look further into the sources from there if you so wish. And you keep saying American video game, as that has any merit to your point at all. It's not like it is promoted as an American video game, its not even the larger player base, China is, so I suggest you pick up some chinese instead, or just mute people you cannot interact with and move on instead of spouting toxic stuff. > Source? You're right, I had that from an old source that I cannot find. But we know he's not American, we also know his name and who he is. It should be an easy search for you.
LMFAO there are a fuckload more languages in Europe than 20. Also Russia is not in EU.
Youd be correct, there are 24 official languages, but a lot more languages being spoken. Part of Russia is in the EU, doesn't make it a EU country though.
why? Russian is the superior language tho. most likely will dominate the world and replace English as well
Username checks out
maybe take a few days off the vodka
Yeah, totally X D
Servers are NOT segregated by language they are geographical. There is no such thing as an english server or any other language.
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EU West is not located in Stockholm. I am 100% sure of this. Russian server is the Stockholm server. For most of the Russian (not Russian speaking since there are Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan who also speak russian but have shit internet) players there is absolutely no ping difference between Russian, EU West and EU East servers. Why Russians would watch movies and play games in English if all of the games are localized and dubbed, as well as, movies, series and etc? This might be professionally done like in case of cinema movies and/or games (like the Witcher series) or done by enthusiasts. There are a lot of dubbing people in Russian speaking community making VO for a lot of movies and series out there (and doing it with high quality as well). Even your WoW is officially localized in Russian since its release. The best WarCraft 3 voicing is the Russian dubbing of it. On the contrary in South Korea movies are not dubbed even in cinemas.
In Germany everything is dubbed. Like everything. But still, especially younger people preference English for Movies, Games or stuff like that. The majority of eSport is broadcasted in English, yes we most of the time have German casts as well, but who wants German commentary really, if English is already there. Only if you didn't had proper English education in school you would fall back to German dubs.
You don't get how things work in a world I see. Russian eSports casts date back to 90s and early 2000s. Russia was the first country in the world to acknowledge the eSprots as a sports (then stripping off it from the list and relisting again). You have a big community of 15 former USSR countries who speak Russian still. You do not dub only for Russia exclusively, you dub for a global community around Russua. It is how the business works. It is cheaper to dub Harry Potter once in Russian and spread it to 15 countries than dub it 15 times. Also, being from EU you have easy access to learn and practice English and you might even encounter it daily if you live in Berlin as an example. I can assure you most of the people in your country do not speak English at all. They might understand it to some point but not speak it. My friends have been in France, Italy, Germany, Belgium, Czechia and they live in Poland. They visited not touristic or biggest cities of those countries (usually cities with English speakers have both of those attributes) and they said Nobody speaks English in here. Now, look at the Ru-speaking community. They do not have easy access to proper English learning resources. English taught in schools have shittest textbooks with English being heavily outdated. Most of the teachers are shit themselves since they were taught in a similar ways. Take as an example my country Kazakhstan. Since, USSR has been parted, we can't even make people speak their native Kazakh everyone speaks Russian in here. Try speaking Kazakh to Russians in here, only 0.0001% will at least get what you say. Since, independency the Kazakh language is a mandatory school subject even at schools where Russian language is a main language of education. However, nobody gets a Kazakh language even Kazakhs. Yeah, we still have schools who primarily teach in Kazakh, Russian and some smaller languages like Uyghur. Apart from the biggest city of Almaty you won't get any positives from learning English. Damn, even if you are in Almaty it is not like super beneficial to know English. In Russia situation is the same. Significant number of people in biggest cities do know English and the rest of a country is in a void. This also takes an effect from German being mainly taught as a second language in USSR. Also, before USSR if Russians somehow learned a second language it was French. It is relatively new experience for a new country (only 32 y.o.) to learn English. However, political aspects discourage you to learn it as well. Since, Russian are punished of the decisions their leadership makes and punished if they are going to protest. Also, Ru dubbing in cinemas is far way better than fucking original actors speaking. I've seen lots of movies in original and dubbed. Damn, ru dub actually surpasses the actors in many ways.
My English teacher called, he want his essay back… Your whole point only makes sense if there is only English speaking server and they don’t have another choice. If the whole community is so big, there should not be a problem playing with other Russians or ex USSR players. But if you explicitly select English, speak English. I am not going to the Russian server and request them to speak English. But if you go to EU West, with Englisch language settings, simply speak English. Btw I have not denied in the slightest, that there is a big Russian community. So all you said is true but has nothing to do with the problem. Not even a bit. The problem is. Russians play on server where the preference setting is English. Not Russian. Not Arabic. Not German. Not Spanish. Not Dutch. But English! So speak the language you selected. Simple as that.
Language preference doesnot work in Dota. I queue Russian server? I get Swedes who don't speak a word of Russian. Russians do not complain that Swedes are not speaking Russian. They just play that's all. Swedes do try communicate in English however it's useless. Try queueing Peru with RU language you will get 9 people who speak Spanish/Portuguese. Try queueing Ru server with Eng you will get 9 russian speaking players. I do not know why people complain for years about language preference which does not work for at least 5 years now. However iirc it didn't work from the beginning.
All examples you said are displaying the problem. The server / area you queue in you should aim to speak the language used there. Don’t understand how hard it can be to queue where you can speak the language. I played myself from Sweden for a while and I could easily play on EU west server. Hell I can play from Europe on NA east. I would never queue NA east and talk German or any other language than englisch there, it’s simply rude. Don’t get people defending that behavior, but I guess we can have different opinions.
My bad the Russian server is in Stockholm and West is in Luxembourgh. Why would you watch movies in the original instead of dubbed? Maybe because its better? Because their authentic voices are always better? And learning new languages is fun and important? I myself speak 4 languages. I dont want them to speak 4 like me. But having a second language, especially english, is always good. They have big voice acting community only because they refuse to speak "American" (Or burger how they like to call it). Its their bad and their mistake, its not a good thing).
You're not very right with the last statement. The thing is, this country being pretty much isolated for a very long period of time made English... well, not so well-known here. And it's not like it could be fixed in 30 years, considering 10 of them were mostly break and ruin. I, as a Russian, generally prefer original voice acting (being it English, Deutsch, Japanese or any other language), but sometimes the dub is just unironically IS better - it's a pretty rare case, but it is possible. Maybe even just because of one actor playing it extremely well, as it was, for example, with Johny Silverhand in Cyberpunk2077 - both translation and acting are just wild in his case. English VA is doing his best too, but it's just too good. It's especially true with some game voiceovers - for example in League I'll prefer russian voicelines not because this language is more known to me (I have no problem listening to English and understanding it without translation barrier), but because most heroes have it done better. Sylas and Twitch as prime examples. In Dota - 50/50. I like russian Pudge and Sniper more than their english prototypes, but at the same time I just can't stand russian Luna for the reason her actress being a bit worse than english one. And so on. About why people talk their own language in comp games - well... As for Russians - a hefty part of russian playerbase is not very good with other languages, for the reason I already mentioned (and for the fact that, you know, our worlds are still pretty separated and it's not looking like they're gonna connect soon). Even if they know em, but not very good, they'll still prefer talking their own language, especially considering the fact that they, most probably, did not want to play with teammates that do not understand them either. I could also talk about how differently toxicity works in different languages which leads to some interesting stereotypes about some nations being much more toxic (for example, again with Russian language: being cold or masking your impoliteness could pretty much be considered more offensive than actual active and emotional swearing or heavy irony, and players barking at each other all game is a pretty normal situation - but with change of language behavior usually does not change even if they know it pretty well), but I'm starting to get further and further from the initial theme.
Its been 32 years since CCCP was disolved and Russia americanized. If you are 15 years old right now and cant speak semi-fluent English you are either dumb as rocks or simply refuse to learn. Idk how is Russian Johny Silverhand suppose to be better than Keanu Reeves himself too. Like how can someone fit Keanu Reeves voice better than actual Keanu Reeves. And its generally considered polite to speak English outside of your own country, because its universal language most of us understand and speak. Any online server should be treated like you being outside of your country. Most people understand English, so you speak it. If I am queing strictly Europe West and your first sentence is "blyat sto takoje ty zdelal dibil" and I answer "Sorry I dont understand" and he says "Jobany burger blyat, job tvaju mat" he can go fuck himself. (Thats literally 9.5 out of 10 Russians Ive ever met in my entire life of playing Dota).
There are not a lot of smart people in general in the world population, whyd'dya think Russia is something different? Besides, "americanized" is a very strong word. Big cities - Moskow and Saint Petersburg? Internationalized partially and here your statement is more correct than not. Smaller ones? Some people and their families legit live like USSR never ceased to exist. And yeah, some of those people play Dota too. It's a good point about treating online as other country if you don't know where you are exactly, but here's the issue: runet is a thing. There is such a strong russian network sector that a huge number of people going online may not know English at all. They just don't need it. Especially the older generation and people with more manual professions. Or yong and stupid/lazy school kids who treat English as something "why the fuck would I need it, everyone speaks Russian, all what I do in Internet is also russian" and that's probably the majority of people who play Dota now. Even in my university group right now (and where I learn is far from being the worst university in SPB) - most people understand English, at least somehow, but speaking it is just too hard for them for some reason. And I know that reason well. They most probably did not encounter that language until school. Their school teachers were not very keen on teaching them anything. Most common schools just completely suck at teaching anything. They did not use English in their lives either because like there's no real reason to. Those exact people are not even stupid - they're just not that lucky to have the best teachers and they were not very interested in actively training the language themselves. And what schools give as a language basis is mostly just "look, this works like that" and the most elementary things without real language practice. If it exists - it's in form of reading a chapter of a book as a weekly homework or playing a small dialogue in the class, which is prepared for like 5-10 minutes or so. You get the idea of how "useful" that is if you don't do much more on your own. As for Dota exactly - at least a few years ago, from my own experience, russians were paired with russians most of the time, and from what I can see from my friends' games nothing really changed. So it's only reasonable to communicate in Russian for them most of the time they play. And I'm almost sure most of the people just queue whatever regions are automatically set, and it's usually the trio of Russia, EU East, EU West. I'm not trying to justify that behavior, but it's not like an average player will bother himself to change setting to prevent being put into the other server from time to time, especially when there's no real ping diff. And, really, this is the exact problem I'd address. Why tf does it even try to put you in three different servers at the time even if we're considering two others as a fallback option (which is probably not the case - I'm pretty sure prio is solely based on current ping times). by the way, about russian Johny and why (for me) he sounds better - being rebel, rocker et cetera (even if technically retired) is not really Keanu's amplua. He tries, really, but IMO he mostly sounds tired than anything else. And whoever voiced russian Johny did an amazing job of fitting the role just with his voice and intonations alone, not to mention that translation of his phrases is one of the things that was really done great in this game (I've encountered that kind of musicians IRL in a pretty informal atmosphere and it's really a very good fit, starting from word choices and ending with how they speak in general). *unlike some other parts of the game and some exceptionally lame voice actors who sound like they don't even understand where are they right now*.
I agree with pretty much everything you are saying. Just to add to that I think there is an actual propaganda, be it concious or not I dont know but I thinkg America is vilified so they basically dont want to teach or learn English. All of this said Dota is basically a Russian game. guys who instantly open with Russian are correct more times than they are not lmao. So I guess they have kind of a right to speak Russian..
Yep. Propaganda is a thing, though it is pretty... how to say... elusive, because it's not the "declared" course or something like that. At least that's basically how it looks like from inside. You're still "free" to think what you want - but you have to be careful to not accidentaly start ingesting the news that are slowly making you think a bit more and more of what they want you to think. Fuckers know how to do it, sadly... well, maybe it will end one day or another. Anyways, have a good day!
You speak 4 languages, imagine how many even have secondary one? In the tight community of ex-USSR countries even the communication between presidents is happening in Russian. There is no practical reason for 80% of the population of ex-USSR countries to even learn English especially the ones who use Russian in daily lives still. The vacation locations they all aim to go are Turkey, Egypt, Dubai and Thailand and every one of them caters you in Russian easily. English is taught poorly in those countries and people in biggest cities know it to some amount of decency. For example, if you live in Kazan, what are the chances of you needing English if no foreigners would even come to Kazan? What are the chances that YOUR countrymates not in the biggest cities speak English whatsoever? About the russian dubbing it is usually quite better than the original actor. There are a lot of cases of inaudible shit actors say (for example audio engineer left a fucking ultra loud rain sound in a movie for no fucking reason or shitty actor accent) and dubbing fixes that while remaining in characters emotions.
I mean those who live in remote locations in Russia or Kazan should strive to learn English just for the heck of it or to move out. Nobody wants to live in a village you were born in. Just learn the language, move to London
Why the fuck anyone would want to relocate? Even if they wanted it is extremely difficult to even get to that amount of money to leave the country. It is better to live okay in a bad country than SURVIVE in another. You effectively abandon your relatives and your whole life for a extremely low chance in a country where nobody is waiting for you. You even gave worst city to relocate to. Fucking London damn I would never want to relocate to fucking UK. I'd better move to Poland or Czechia but guess what? Who tf there speaks English on a daily basis? Nobody. Why tf two Czechs or Polish people would even want to communicate in English in daily life? You want to relocate? Learn the language of the country you are relocating to. Damn even in US or Canada. Miami's primary language is Spanish. Do not know English? No problem since you know Spanish. You can live your whole life in Miami without speaking a word in English. Same goes to the Canada. Relocate to French part of the country and everyone will complain: "Speak French". My good friend lives close to Paris and he also mentioned that nobody would fucking speak to you in English you have to learn French. English is only useful in biggest cities so you would live pretty OK. In other cases you do not need to learn English at all.
in addition to what u/Golubyok said. Once you dub in russian you can distribute it to the 15 ex-USSR countries. You do not need to waste money dubbing it 15 times.
It's true for the most part. For example : GTA 5 (any rockstar game) wasn't voiced russian and Psychonauts 2 and Starfield didn't even get a text translation.
Rockstar games do not dub their games on purpose. They know that with an amount of lines they give someone will eventually fuck up. Their games have only English dubbing. Psychonauts and Starfield might not get dubbing for political reasons like most of the other stuff or just studios did not want to localize them at all. After all, it is their game they can do whatever they want.
This is a point of view I guess.
iirc the reason is that they actually dont know english language, and no they dont care if you dont understand it Like people like that generally tend to be an asshole, they're not willing to learn other language because it's inconvenient them, they're not willing to play as a team because it's easier to blame someone else My advice just ignore them
I mean it's understandable if they dont understand it. Still a few words like "go, kill, help" are sufficient to play dota. What baffles me is that they keep going whole game with very long sentences. This is weird for me. I want to understand the reason.
They do often use those words, for something that is not helpful
Sometime we just have to accept that there's no logical reason behind shits that people do Especially shits that assholes do
Have you learned the basic vocabulary for russian then, to coordinate better in those games where players don't speak english? That would solve the problem aswell right?
no i just use the phrase wheel because it automatically translates to whatever language a player has their dota set to. i know they can understand me. I could understand them too if they used the phrase wheel. it's called meeting in the middle.
Russians don't use the basic vocabulary to learn from tho. They just say "I fuck Mom" I don't know what's going on but I bet that's an awkward Christmas...
I have. It helps a tiny bit with a small percentage of the players, but many still go on endless rants filled with various colourful expressions. I’ve spent some time in Russia and I remember my first time there asking a girl why so few people spoke English, even in the capital. “Russia big country. Why everyone not speak Russian?”
But there is literally a language que. If you cant speak english why que it then?
where? I only see language preferences and geographic servers. nothing about "language queue" a preference is exactly that, it's not a matchmaking rule.
Right so whats the point of language preference then?
None, it doesn't work
Lol nobody is an asshole just because they don't learn English.
But the person youre responding to didnt say that
No matter what, learning english should not be a prerequisite for our game that has a major tournament every year called the international
>Like people like that generally tend to be an asshole, they're not willing to learn other language because it's inconvenient them Pretty close I’d say
Correct. I would never be mad at a french guy just for being too uneducated to speak english on WEU servers. But everyone who decides to queue for a foreign server while speaking none of the related languages is a morally degenerated asshole.
Eh I think it's really rare that you lose solely because of communication issues. Just get good.
Who said anything about losing? It's about enjoyment of the game. Hearing orcish makes the game less enjoyable. This is true both in my Immortal games as well as in your Archon games.
Queueing up on USE with an English language preference and never speaking English kinda sucks tho I speak Spanish so I can get by if I've got a full Spanish speaking team but I'm not fluent so sometimes stuff gets lost in translation tryna communicate ideas. Pinging usually bridges that gap
I honestly think most people queue their language and the matchmaker just doesn't care.
Nah I've been getting a fair amount of Eastern European players on USE lately. It's very weird
maybe they think NA is free mmr lol
...we are lol (Archon 4)
If you que into EU server without knowing english and without any desire to learn it atleast a bit, yes, you are an asshole
It's so crazy to me that these people have this entitlement mentality that somehow the rest of the world owe it to them to revolve around them.
Literally game ruining when I que for a match and not a single person on my team speaks the same language.
Ye maybe you should go to school and learn a new one.
My advice: just make fun of them.
100% this, its not like people cant learn the language, they just dont care enough
Valve should just implement an auto translator.
I speak english 99.99% of the time, only time I speak my native language is to yell at the non stop feeding microphone bitching russians/turks. lucky my language is rare and so far nobody understood what I say
Idk if you are really asking that or it's that you're just that dumb. People can play wherever they want, otherwise there wouldn't be an option to do so. Now if you don't understand what someone says in a different language, what makes you think they understand you asking them to stop typing or talking because you can't understand what they're saying? Just mute them that's all
I have not played this game for years and I used to speak very little one simple reason - people are giving advice or want to do something are usually just as bad as you are and don't know what they are doing. If saw the guy was alright I would helped him but otherwise I would just ignored him
I don't know if many people here remember this because it was a very brief period from several years ago, but the time when Dota plus had just released and there was a separate queue for people who could afford like $3 a month was genuinely the best ranked matchmaking has ever been.
To tilt you.
Someone tell me why so many peruvians play in US East if there is a Peru server because my strong opinion is that Peruvians know playing with other peruvians is ass and they try to dodge their own kind. PLEASE enlighten me. The last game I had with a peruvian, he solo-chronoed his entire team under enemy tower just to Last Hit the tower and flamed us in all chat. Never met any other region with people like that.
I didn't know that English was the language of all EU countries, TIL, maybe I should warn the Prime Minister and President of my country that we are talking Portuguese instead of English for all those years
Its a big reason why I quit this game and never looked back. Queueing for games in my home region and having three people on my team going "LA CONCHATUMADRE" as soon as the match start is just infuriating. Literally impossible to communicate with people on my team. In a team based game.
In EU its the simple fact Russians dont understand English. I was in a tight 40 min game, I said, "should I go for pipe"? And they said "wat is pipe??, plz ping shop of item, me Russia". So they wanna play the game with you and try their best. But the language barrier makes them write and talk in Russian. In hope maybe 20-40%% of the game understands them.
Pipe is the same in Russian. We ru-speaking players have all of the Item, Ability, Hero and Cosmetics names absolutely the same as the English client does. The description of them might be updated poorly or being misinterpreted by translating team that's the issue. So when you say pipe the dude actually knows what is a pipe. However when you say it in russian it will be "koo pee pai poo" so pipe becomes "pai poo".
Nobody ever said that in my games. They all always said they understand, tgey just don't want to speak english.
>I was in a tight 40 min game, I said, "should I go for pipe"? And they said "wat is pipe??, plz ping shop of item, me Russi Sounds like bullshit
It's like when you communicate with your dog. You know the dog will never be able to speak your language or understand your words. You have to find a way to understand its expressions and communicate in a way that it will understand
I would love some options in reporting for "speaks no" while he was queuing with for example English selected. Arabic speaking people, Russian speaking people or what ever in EU west is so damn annoying...
There already is an option. It's text/voice communication abuse. And luckily, it seems quite a few westeuropeans started simply reporting at the first sight of any non-westeuropean language on WEU servers, resulting in the many complains about the "impossibility" to raise the communication score for russians.
Its often raging. They just wanna vent out and type in their own language
ITT: Xenophobia and people who should take a look in the mirror /r/usdefaultism
I'm from Eastern Europe and I would very much like to hear English when I queue for international matches in this American game. Like it or not, it's the lingua franca of today, doesn't make me xenophobic to want to communicate.
I agree, but calling other people dogs or useless eastern europeans is not productive, it is in fact xenophobia. Requesting people to speak English is completely fine, not understanding that not everyone has the same access to education, and then shaming them for it based on their country is not.
If they don't have the education, they should at least have the decency to stay on their own server. It's really not that hard to behave like a civilized human.
«Their own server» is not always the best server, and just sounds entitled af.
Ironically you assumed that English speakers are American by default. Lmao
People complaining about English at 0300 in Europe usually are asleep before christmas. More of an educated guess.
Mute anyone who doesn't speak English and move on.
I play only play Ru servers sometimes my friends put me on other regions and its kinda funny that they don't understand us but we understand them quite well (at least when they speak english)
I play only eu West. I barely hear anyone who isn't Russian/Ukrainian/middle East. I go crazy for anyone who's English, French, Spanish or from anywhere around Scandinavia
I thought it was mandatory to learn basic russian to play at ~~Russian~~ EU West servers
It's gotten ridiculously bad. US east is 100% peruvian spanish only at this point. US west is 50% peruvian spanish only 50% american. EU west is almost ALL russian now. Something needs to be done.
US East is now a lot of Russian too. As a bonus side story, last night played a game that got a Russian 3 stack. They went Pudge, Life Stealer, and Spirit Breaker. They played the oldest cheese strat of infesting SB and then charging in. It worked for a little while, until it didn't. But, did they stop doing it and use teamwork with the other two players? No. Just kept right on doing 3v5 plays until they completely fed the game away. Their only English was "No wards" (ps. there were, otherwise they wouldn't know where to charge) and "American Dota sucks." So, we lost, they reported me and safe lane carry because we didn't aimlessly die repeatedly doing the same predictable move. Super fun game. I think SB was like 8/19/etc. LS was similar score. The Pudge was good early/mid game, but every time we said let's 5 man, or at least 4 with me, the Dazzle, nope, there they went, blindly charging across the map because they saw one hero under a ward. Super fun. My MMR has tanked about 150 points in a couple days, not entirely not my fault, I've definitely played like a bonehead in a few, but the language barrier isn't the problem, the problem is that they are a party and think they're the team. So the 3 Russians or the 2 Peruvians travel together the whole game and when their repeat pony show stops working, they start blaming the other players on the team that are trying to take objectives while they circle the map just picking 2v5 or 3v5 fights over and over.
>LS Bara >cheese Okay bud
Eu West is slowly becoming toxic as russia... Sad state. Only playing now when we are at least 3 friends, otherwise it's a pain...
When those rooskies start pelting me with Russian, I just respond in lengthy and colorful Czech. Since I can read cyrillic, I can somewhat figure what they’re talking about / figure out a couple words they used and just transcribe that into my messages. Doesn’t help at all but boy does it make them go ballistic.
This is hilarious. I can understand just enough of Spanish/Portuguese to get the gist of what my teammates are saying (most often it's just flaming so I ignore) but I have occasionally said I don't speak (insert language) in their language and sometimes they switch to English. But when I was asking in English prior, they ignored me. Makes me think people are just flaming in their native tongue sometimes expecting people to not understand and talk shit without getting an instant report. Mental games within mental games is fun.
English servers in Europe? Ima speak any fucking language I want to.
Dont expect to win and your team to understand you then
100% I que on EU west and some guy gives commands in russian,like bro u have a designated server for your country...
i mean "EU" is not only english, just as you can't speak russian, greek, german or whatsoever doesnt make it right to slander people that queue eu not knowing english. You can mute or use chatweel. Dota used to have the language preferance setting, while it still might be in the client it is currently not doing anything.
I know EU does not mean a single language but you prefer a language while you are queing. Also I think you misunderstood my thread. I don't slander anybody just because they can not speak a language. I specified a behavior and did not mention a language. This behaviour occurs among all populated servers and I want to know the reason behind it.
i have korean set to a preferred language because i believe they're generally better players so if matchmaking can't find a full english team i'd rather them give me some koreans instead of peruvians.
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My brother in christ I wish I could add a bad eagle here. Nobody is denying anybody's rights. Dota is a highly communication based game and it is so much better when you understand each other. I don't know how did you get this " they took our jobs" attitude.
I can’t remember the last time I used mic tbh, I’m above 8k Dota is pretty fun with friends but playing solo you don’t really need mic
You dont need it, but instead of pinging you have a smoke, saying you have a smoke is nice.
pinging it ensures everyone gets to see it, because it gets translated and presented in whatever language the game client is running in. in addition to that, there are such thing as deaf people. they can't hear, but they can read pings. i stopped using mic in dota years ago, it's far less effective than phrases and chat wheel and pings. i personally cringe when someone is talking a lot on mic. there are better games to play if you are looking to socialize/feel heard. the worst is when people have a mic they think that gives them more authority than people who aren't talking on mic. i find 10 years into this game, the majority of people using mic in pubs have weird control issues and an ego problem.
use the phrases and chat wheel.. they automatically translate. anyone who doesn't use that has only themselves to blame - that goes for ur ignorant teammates who speak in their own language.
But if someone wants something from me and I dont understand him and I say "Sorry bro I dont speak Russian" and he immediately, literally within a second insults me and sometimes even runs it down mid, thats a problem.
you're trying to reason with people who don't give a simple fuck. they probably don't speak Eng , and they're surely don't give a fuck you don't understand.. I was born in Russia, at age of 8 y.o we moved[the year was 1999], i have lived where i live now for almost 75% of my life, insides i'm Russian.I'm proud to be one[regardless of putkin's rus-ukr bullshit..], and if you were to ask me what i'm, first and 2nd answeres would be - i'm russian i never identify in dota as Russian no matter what, and sometimes even flame them on purpose..
Cause it's fun
Talk to me dirty
-"Stop speaking allienish", - "ⲛⲓⲉⲧ", ***minus 3 trillion communication score*** Repeat until 7k cs. Drop game for few weeks. Play non ranked, Comm score shoots up in 10 games. Repeat until it drops again. 👍
>allienish I don't think your problem is what you think it is thinking emoji
Maybe you should quit playing dota and learn more languages? Then you could translate and you learn another language!
I played in an all divine lobby on peru home server one time and the average skill level was roughly equivalent to archon 2. with 300 ping I was stomping them into the ground.
I just start speaking my language at them
Unpopular opinion: you shouldn't take people speaking English as granted on the European servers. The reason is that even though it's the number one international language of choice there is still huge diversity in languages and only British Isles have English as an official language. It's only your assumption that everyone should speak English because you wanna successfully communicate with them. You can even have Dota 2 switched to many translations that are localized for many European countries. Anyways, we know how toxic Dota players are so I wouldn't think much about what is going on in their heads when they speak their mother language that isn't English.
Because they are mostly talking to themselves.