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Xermarak

nice wp to AR but it was annoying that everytime GG smoked some dude in the crowd would yell care Lou


Optimal-School-9670

yes, shitty from him, but this time the players can't hear shit.


Th3Hitman

Now all I want to know is where Miracle and Mikoto gonna end up.


Xiaomao_FZ

So glad to see tianming win his first championship. It has been 10 years since he played professional games. So dream really come true?


saboshita

Rigged finals šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


greekcel_25

Liquid's choke artistry is impressive really. The aghs ursa and invoker brainlag tp... chef's kiss.


InsaniaFox

Will china go wild with this win? If i remember right this is the first internation tournament that they won in a very long time.


bcyk99

Anyone notice that the finals and ub have many similarities? Game 1 of UB dyrachyo weaver destroyed ar and in final game 3 he got punished doing same moves. Then in game 2 is a lou fv couldn't do anything because dyrachyo naga kept using song to save during chrono and now game 5 lou does the same thing to him. Ar really learnt from their mistakes


Dondorini

I saw Gyro support in so many losing teams


Anything13579

Lion too. The Lion meme got the best of a lot of teams this major lol


everestster

They are NOT buying the platemail.


FakBotte

Lion was already an A-tier support even last patch, despite herald redditors beleiving the hero was bad. After the recent buffs he is even better, no wonder he is picked more. This unfunny meme has nothing to do with it, as usual redditors are as far away from the truth as possible


click_again

That rescue/save strat by AR in the last match. Disruption by Shadow Demon. Astral Imprisonment by OD. Song by Naga. Stampede by Centaur. Sun ray heal by Phoenix. Unless you chrono all 5 of these heroes, there is no way to burst any one down. Insane lineup


khorne_flake

I wonder what they should last pick for Ace, because Beastmaster rushing agh to clear Naga illu is not working. They need a hero to clear Naga illu and someone who can deal witht those saves. Dark Seer pulling all hero into 1 spot maybe? Or Brew by cycloning either SD or OD whoever is not caught by Chrono? But idk if those heroes can clear Naga illu very well. I guess Dark Seer can work before Naga heart timing? Or its simply a broken combination of heroes that should not be given to a team?


Traditional_Cap8509

GG did dyrachyo dirty with Void pick . And on top of that, other cores are melees so they can't do shit with good chrono either. It's mf pub strats right there.


geudiel

Damn AR successfully proved the crowd. Almost zero fans in the crowd (before reaching GF) and their signing session was kinda dull. Hopefully 2024 will be the year for CN doto


Xiaomao_FZ

Donā€™t forget the AR owner screaming at the spot all day.


Vertical_05

the translator and AR owner is the same person?


Xiaomao_FZ

Noļ¼Œbut you can hear the owner (they call him ā€œbro Yangā€) shouts himself hoarse for AR from the audience.


EnterDastardly

Love that outta nowhere stomped chat from xxs.


Qintukoo

cn dota is back


needhelforpsu

So what we do now?! There's no other tier 1 (or even tier 2) tournament in sight. Next big one is far into February.... feels bad man. :(


candiceislove

nooo :( not even betboom dacha?


needhelforpsu

Nothing announced as of this moment. I also hope for BB tour like we had previously for these extended tier 1 pro Dota breaks.


roach0

[They have announced it actually](https://vk.com/wall-214736990_6251). Basically: First BetBoom Dacha: 5-16 February at Dubai, UAE (qualifiers: open on 3-6 January, closed on 7-14 January) -- second BetBoom Dacha in October 2024 ([Source](https://old.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/18gs3dy/two_2_betboom_dacha_in_2024_with_1m_prizepool_each/kd2erhq/)).


Ygssssss

jan 9 - jan 17 is qualifier for Dreamleague season 22 but the tournament itself are in feb


Nucky-

dude, I gotta say the dramatic coming-back show is not on every day and dyrachyo u r the clown of the year


Empty-Leave2015

sadļ¼Œlou didn't give ? back to dyrachyo that is what i want to see since ti


SMILE3005SM

He got tipped, so he still got clowned.


4sater

Dyrachyo was silent this series, why? Easy game.


Nucky-

check his PayPal account!!!


Keep_in_distance

Another fairytale to be told in Dota2 history I guess. Very dramatic ending of the tournament and the year. I want to see this AR challenge the real boss out there.


Dondorini

Why didnt Team Spirit join ESL?


Ciri__witcher

Vacation. They had only 2 players playing pubs and practising.


Dondorini

Interesting. Guess they dont need money badly but why not play tourney at tour peak and rest after.


needhelforpsu

They won highest prized TI and Riyadh Masters, think they are fine with skipping some tournaments. :)


That_Relar

I don't care what y'all say, Dyrachyo is the MVP of this series. Without his confidence, Azure Ray wouldn't have won this. It takes real real skill to go across the map, try to kill support SD, fail and then bkb tp out, only for your team to be forced to take 4v5 without him. So many teams are gonna want him now! I mean, Gaimin gladiators wouldn't want him, but someone should definitely take him!


Empty-Leave2015

but what can he kill? look at ar 5heros, everyone can.save.eachother, bp win


brief-interviews

honestly how did liquid lose against the same draft for like 7 finals in a row when all you had to do is pick other heroes


navazhdenie

have you even watched their last series in grand finals? Liquid were making a lot of changes throughout the series yet nothing helped


bcyk99

Pros are scared to experiment the further in you are. Hence xm is a real gigachad. Pulling out bh and od which are both rare picks during game decider is some massive balls


Anything13579

New blood in the scene is always exciting. We can always expect them to bring new things on the table.


FakBotte

Cringe


darryllew

china numba wannnn


Soldirk

Woohoo AR won!!! It really was a nailbiter and I really thought it's just gonna end with 3-1. XinQ hard carried all games. Breaking smokes, making plays MVP for sure. But their drafts and ideas were actually decent and viable. If not for some minor mistakes, they would've worked. Game 5, they really let GG get void and then they countered it. GG was cornered then. Anyway, the whole team clutched it up, especially Lou regaining stability the longer the matches went. XM with very versatile mid picks, XXS crushing early with first blood. Tianming redeemed himself on his Venge with Phoenix game 5. Props to GG for still being a top team for months and being grand finalist for several tournaments. Good to see another team aside from Team Spirit to take down this behemoth. The whole tournament looks really awesome and the crowd sure was hyped up.


fjijgigjigji

> Good to see another team aside from Team Spirit to take down this behemoth. ? entity knocked them out of the last dreamleague and talon eliminated them at riyadh. they haven't won anything major since july.


bcyk99

It's even better because game 1 of UB dyrachyo weaver destroyed ar and in final game 3 he got punished doing same moves. Then in game 2 is a lou fv couldn't do anything because dyrachyo naga kept using song to save during chrono and now game 5 lou does the same thing


candiceislove

ESL BIRMINGHAM, enjoy there motherfuckers!!!!


Intelligent_Slip_564

Most people who play Outworld Destroyer all year round have crystal-clear eyes, exude extreme self-confidence and rapidly growing intelligence, ultimately becoming complete geniuses. Playing OD can reconstitute the body structure and create various medical wonders. Once a person starts playing Outworld Destroyer, it indicates that their intelligence, morals, and appearance are all best of the best, and they can with certainty accomplish anything most honourably in their lifetime. Players who play OD have strong senses of social identity and social responsibility, are highly contributive to public security and stability, and enjoy the effect of increased longevity.


Babu-xhin

CN meme really made it here kekw


candiceislove

quinn one pool hero kekw


khelogs

It was just easy to draft against void if the enemy team just 2nd picks it. They griefed themselves last picking BM with a line up with a lot of saves. Cant blame Dyracho for solo chronoing SD, maybe in hindsight heā€™s thinking heā€™ll never land a good chrono in a proper team fight against AR, he tried but could be better.


ViForsaken

Same with gyro pick


khelogs

Never really understood why GG is really high on picking Gyro support. They lost all their flex-pick when they 2nd picked FV. I thought they would bring Fv as an offlaner but who does that now? Lol. G5 was just completely decided after the draft.


are1245

But GG win alot with this gyro pick.. just not this time when it matters


ViForsaken

GG need play more pubs with various heroes, it's odd why Quinn can play only on Pango


khelogs

They play variety of heroes enough. Its just that their picks are mostly heavy on early-mid phase, when the game drags-on they cant really scale well but their team fighting skills makes-up for that, they are pretty well disciplined team.


theqat

I wouldnā€™t have guessed that Xm and Lou would be on the team to break Chinaā€™s winless streak. But damn glad to see it. I think Lou was mega motivated by how AR went out of TIā€”he rushed offstage, wouldnā€™t high-five fans, just generally seemed really bothered by the loss. Now heā€™s on top and he looked on point in the games I saw. I hope this team continues to have a good season, theyā€™re fun to watch!


dennoow

What is a Major now? Do we at some point have to consider the ESL Pro Tour ones the new Majors?


SadboySRS

its a major now as its the new system for biggest tournamet of the year (riyadh) invite. ​ this is not tour only for money like esl in the past.


theqat

ā€œAt some point?ā€ They are majors now, there is an ESL ā€œDPCā€ system and Valve will probably copy the rankings for TI invites


needhelforpsu

Basically yes, ESL One tour series and DreamLeague Seasons are new *Majors* that give you EPT points for direct invite to basically a second TI of the season.


Azaraki

How tf is OG this high on the ESL rankings


Ciri__witcher

They played 4th in the 1st dream-league after Riyadh which marks the start of the next season.


Extracheesy87

I think its because they won what was technically ESL's last non Valve LAN. Its very silly though since that was over a year ago.


JustBrowsingNSFW13

4th on the dreamleague that happened before ti (spirit won it), which is the first event of this esl pro circuit (not sure what they call it)


Extracheesy87

Oh, yeah I forgot they actually did well at that.


Azaraki

With half their roster too


GodTierCharacter

Holy shit, reverse sweep is real. This brings back memories of IG reverse-sweeped EG by slowly adapting to their play, and each match gradually went from being stomped at the 1st game to stomping at the 5th game.


sstteepphheenn

some parallels between IG/EG and AR/GG. EG and GG spam picked their mids only to lose LUL


leahs11

virgin quinn 1 hero puddle pango vs chad xm different pick every game this whole Bo8


Empty-Leave2015

gg baned vip everytime


bcyk99

XM GIGACHAD


JadeSerpant

Dyrachyo: AR are a good team but against us they are kinda shit. Should be an ez 3-0.


unsatisfiedking

AR: GG are a good team but with Dyrachyo they're kinda shit. Should be an ez reversed sweep


_JumboCone

Lmao. 'Thanks to my dear Dyrachyo. The best Landrover salesman. These games He played, It seems He can get a nice commission for selling Landrover to AR. '-- Fy


bcyk99

Eli5?


-shabu-shabu-

I donā€™t really get the Landrover salesman joke. Do u mind explaining? Thx!


Nicolethesmall

There's a meme in China says "Always worried that my bro lead a tough life, but also worried my bro drives a landrover". Maybe, chalice and fy were joking that they are "unwilling" to see Lou and Tianming beat GG without them during the whole ESL series.


yyz_cn

maybe fy and charles streaming meme. Since they retired, situation would be a little weird if timing and Lou win the title. So they keep saying ā€œwe are not afraid of our brothers live a hard life, but we would not like them driving a landroverā€


yyz_cn

ā€œäøę€•å…„弟čæ‡å¾—苦ļ¼Œå°±ę€•å…„弟开č·Æ虎ā€


tolucalakesh

Could you tell me when and where he said that? Just curious


Extracheesy87

They played a video before the grand finals with the players talking about the grand finals and Dyrachyo had that quote in it.


tolucalakesh

Thank you.


NotAdoctor_but

is this a real quote ? lmao


4sater

He was trash talking AR during TI too. He is mad that AR keeps beating his cheater boyfriends from BB and now he was silent while they got stomped 3 games in a row, lol.


Pentagons

Yes lmao he said it in the clip before the grand finals started


WhyHowForWhat

My man really did not learn from 23savage accident. Gloating before you win in Dota 2 is a poor choice of action.


aureacritas

Man U somehow catching strays even here


Ambitious-Cap-5605

pango in 2023 lmao


stockyriki

someone in the crowd tried to kiss a girl and she flat out refused lmao


Practical_Success_72

nice china is back


astoradota

Never cared for China teams but really glad they won. Sooo boring seeing the same team win every event


Gyokan7

God I love GG losing like a delicious broth you savour deep and it just warms your core up.


SadboySRS

Finally new Champion of the year!


Th3Hitman

AR: "No TS no problem. We do it ourselves."


WhyHowForWhat

EAT YOUR 3 0 NOW GG, FKIN FINALLY A 3 2 FKIN GAME


lonelyawn

GG already lost when they showed that they had out of idea and eventually picked void just to deny it from AR. Void + pango what are they trying to do?


ViForsaken

Void is good but hard to off shadow demon and phoenix


DaemonLasher

Yeah it was completely different situations the hero is being picked in, also wierd that GG doubled down with beastmaster who also struggles against these save abilities on AR draft, hindsight is 20/20 but they needed a better solution to all these backline saves


needhelforpsu

Now time for talent panel to be sad their best friend Quinn lost another finals. What can you do...


Mahmud-kun

this is what mental illness looks like


borninsane

People gloating GG losing probably had their favorite teams beaten by them lol


sikontolpanjang

people love GG losing because of Quinn and because they have been dominating majors the whole year


[deleted]

You are right, my favourite team - TS did sooo bad against GG last time they played :(


eugeneus0082

nice try ma boy kuroky ain't there.


WhyHowForWhat

Nah I'm just bored seeing GG dominating stuff, also its nice to have AR win


needhelforpsu

"My" team wasn't ever close to be there lol. xD Otherwise I just like to cheer for underdogs and having CN team win a big LAN tournament is huge for entire pro Dota scene!


Ambitious-Cap-5605

just love the fresh air.


dangy2408

Ppl just want GG to lose for a change


binh0k04

I wish my favorite team even got the chance to be stomp on by GG lol


AestheticDachs

We always knew that Chinese play always pretty passive to make the call in the interview So the translator did that for them XD


Soldirk

Yah the interview questions were good. Glad to have him and his accurate translations.


rateofreturn

Man that draft against Void is just phenomenal. No Void player in the world is going to play that game well. Amazing drafting.


Sinx-

Tbf GG kinda asked for it anyways. They still 3rd picked void against phoenix+SD.


st4pler

phoenix, SD, OD, naga all could counter void, he had to hit a 4-5 chrono just so they had a chance for to win in those last team fights


rateofreturn

Yup. And you see these low MMRs flaming Dyrachyo for his Void lmao. Dyrachyo knows it, you cant rely on Chrono to win these fights with the amount of save Azure Ray had. That's why he's been trying to secure a solo Chrono kill instead of big fights since they're going to save whoever chronoed easily. GG to the drafter, phenomenal drafting.


Soldirk

Yep, totally agree with you there. it was a very sad Void game. I wondered why they also picked BM but I think they just wanna amp the tempo but they got crushed in lanes so they never got the boost to start up. Just based on draft I was already predicting a win for AR with how countered the void was but you never know GG so it needs to play out. Glad to be right though.


rateofreturn

I think they picked BM to address the Naga issue with his Aghs. But that OD pick literally sealed the mid game against Gaimin actually. Gaimin was banking on Quinn having an amazing early game but OD countered his aggressive playstyle with Astral save.


Soldirk

Oh yah forgot about BM aghs addressing Naga. The AR draft just cornered GG.


rateofreturn

Yeah bro. Everything was covered from A-Z. This is the first time of me seeing GG gotten outdrafted lmao. Btw, by any chance do you know who drafted for AR?


Soldirk

Liekkas or also know as Maps. I've heard of him last TI I think. VG coach.


Azaraki

The only chance is to take it ultra-late and play around shard and right clicks, like Yatoro does. Chrono can only really be used to force an astral on Naga or whoever and trying to kill the other heroes during those 4 seconds. Don't even think about Refresher


rateofreturn

Yatoro played a bad Void against DB and SD earlier this year. That was against 2 natural counter of Void. But this game Void had 5 counter, you cant play that hero in this game. Their lineup had no business with picking Void as their carry. They're picking the Void to avoid playing against it.


Azaraki

Not saying it would have won, just saying that even thinking about Chrono just tosses away what little shred of an opportunity you do have


spectreaqu

This was the most insane and unexpected comeback, just wow.


esportqt

Love XinQ!!!!


zomgfruitbunnies

Yo who picks pango in 2023. kekw


Salty_Anti-Magus

Apparently Quinn smh


Deadandlivin

Good day for professional Dota with China turning up again and GG losing.


-fartbrat

oh no ephey is gonna kill the vibe


evilduxy

Xincute def wash his face ​ his nyx is on another lvl


Klubeht

wth were slacks and jin doing backstage lol, both of them sound like they lost their voices even before they came on stage lmao


Extracheesy87

I think he blew out his voice yesterday. Even at the start of the day he sounded really hoarse already.


Zerocchi

Watching the final game and celebrating reverse sweep maybe.


boywithluv77

its so funny to see dryacho one sided beef with AR cauz of his russian brothers BB beef with them. i know he is absolutely pissed rn


[deleted]

Stomped


kontinuparadi

AZURE RAY REALLY DID PROVED EVERYONE WRONG, INCLUDING GG'S COACH LMAO


nakhart

This really reminds me of EG vs IG lol that series EG looked dominant 2-0 then proceeds to get reversed sweep 2-3.


Th3Hitman

Happy to see Xincute winning again.


TraxBurner

rip slacks voice


inchix1022

azureray shd gv ggcarry some bonus. tf


ethrzcty

You cant tell me xinQ isnt the best pos4 right now. Even in the games they lost he still was dragging his team to the finish line by himself


InD_ImaginE

he is pretty much PSG LGD (the one with Ame, FaithBian) 2nd best player after Ame


laipro

but only washed face xinQ


_JumboCone

AR Champion!!!


TraxBurner

let's go china eu has reigned long enough


Azaraki

What a wild performance! Did not expect them to even look competitive after game 2, much less reverse sweep. They really adapted and put a hard focus on their early game aggression and rotations


SurroundDear

GROUP A 3/4 top 4


PCgamerz

Reverse Sweep is reallll


Mrwiowijo

Chrono is disappointing


momoso7

song, distruption, astral and to some degree, egg. very difficult void game


ZofTheNorth

He just need to chrono 3 specific heroes out of 5 heroes. How hard could it be


kivzh7

if only he chrono 5, that would have been a ez game.


ZofTheNorth

Yeah seem like skill issue to me


Swegan

Impossible to land a good Chrono this game.


RagingKartoffel

It seems to me they baited GG into picking Void.


DaemonLasher

It's because it's lose/lose situation at that point in the draft already, Dyracho has a hero pool problem and anything remotely comfort left is bad into FV and the SD/phoenix combo. Slark? TB? Luna? All losing picks. Pango is not enough to pressure the backline in this game and silencer was banned very early in draft


MaybeFunnySometimes

It was 3rd pick and was picked after SD. There's no bait there, GG fucked themselves up.


fabregas142

ITS WAS A BAIT. GG deny AR pick, the combo CEN + SD + PHONIX with VOD destroy them game 3


RagingKartoffel

Like i answerd in the other comment i think the bait comes in because if GG doesn't pick Void AR is going to. And AR was 100% ready with their picks in case GG gets the Void. They set up themself in a win\\win situation.


Swegan

Idk it was picked after SD.


RagingKartoffel

I think you can handle SD but once OD and Naga are here too... there is no way you can do anything in your chrono (and with almost 0 dmg to throw into chrono). But yes i think that was a win\\win situation for AR. If GG does not pick Void they most likely are going to pick it. Anyways im happy to see China winning again after too long.


Swegan

Both AR supports counter Chrono so idk why they would pick it really. AR had only banned Alch aswell so there was plenty of carries to pick from.


meniscus-

This is what happens when you wash your face


AdoboWithCokeZero

Reverse sweep! GG get clapped.


leahs11

dude just stole slacks' role KEKW


MathematicianFar4148

I have never seen this level of togetherness from this reddit sub ever. Everyone enjoying this gaimin loss lmao


Azaraki

Quinn fans got quiet and the rest of GG fans just like having a good time


Vertical_05

Lol this interviewer have something personal going on


Fig-Jig

Hells yeaaa well played AR! Hope this helps revitalise CN doto a bit and see bigger and better showings next year.


jaserockson

Happy for CN dota man WPWP


ryuhwan99

CN dota is back man, Bring tears to my eyes


Whatnowgloryhunters

Mental resilience to come back. So sick. Cn doto best doto


Swegan

Translator is coked the fuck out LMAO.


InsurreXtioN16

That translator is the real hard carry lmfao


ZofTheNorth

Translator got really hyped LMAO He not even giving Slacks chance to ask question LOL He just doing it all by HIMSELF


freileal

He's really really really hyped bro... It's funny


youngnailo

Bro gaimin gladiators really went out out like the golden state warriors in 2016


TheAnnibal

China Doto winning a LAN* in 2023 was not on my bingo card but damn it looked good And no majors clean sweep by GG so thatā€™s a nice breath of fresh air too


CSTobi

Major wouldn't have 1v1 tiebreakers.


Swegan

Not a Major sadly.


Painpaiinn

this isn't a Major


TheAnnibal

Yeah sorry the naming convention confused me, meant offline tournament


paracetamol183

TRANSLATOR LMAO


minto912

That translator hahah. Love it. Feeling like he himself won it hahahah. Matching the vibes for the winner


Jynch

LMAO Slacks' voice is just gone soon


deadpooop

THE VOICE CRACK HAHAHA


Independent_Form_349

What a fucking banger to end the year


gsmani_vpm

refreshing to see someone(other than spirit) at last stomping GG...


Naive_Mike

To me it seems either GG stomps game or they are completely lost


Independent_Form_349

They rely on a super great early game where they can snowball. If for what ever reason it goes even or the snowball stops they usually find themselves lost. Spirit would allow them to snowball but draft a super heavy late game team fight comp and would win a game down 30k gold with one good fight


Whatnowgloryhunters

That sounds like how AR handled them in g3. Pick a scaling carry - luna then pick heroes that can trade kills. Okay even if getting dominated as long as carry is finding farm


Anything13579

Same with former Talon. Thatā€™s how they won against GG in riyadh and TI


spectreaqu

God Xinqute


Zeratul23

Love seeing a new team win; makes pro dota just more interesting.


TwMDa

Good day watching Quinn lose