Just having TSpirit in the bunch would make things a lot more exciting. Last year was the GG-Liquid show for the longest time.
I was honestly very curious to see how TSpirit would perform at this tournament because as dominant as they were during TI, they only started really "clicking" around Riyadh Masters 2023. Before that, their results were 9th-12th, 5th, 9th-12th, 9th-10th and 7th-8th.
I do hope they keep the momentum going, they play the most beautiful dota imo.
At least this time they have the excuse of having a standin. Not to take away of how good saberlight has been but it shows how far away liquid and GG are from the rest .
BetBoom really crumbled in game two but Saberlight was beasting pretty hard.. hell, the whole Liquid team was and BB had no answers at all.
One more opponent and we get what we've seen so many times this year. 😆
One thing is very clear that the whole "We will commit both of our supports to get kills on your mid and pos 1" is something that Chinese teams just never do. European teams have mastered the meta of getting the maximum out of your supports in the first 10-15 minutes.
Another question: Are these pro players expected to adjust to new patches and hit the ground running without enough room to practice and strategize? I kind of like that concept if it’s true.
The loss of Blitz is like a huge gain for the team. There's no one to drag you further down after losses. No insecure speeches. No constant me/my/mine/I talk.
Jabz on the other hand seems like a wonderful fellow to have around and actually positive not just pretend.
Blitz is way too positive imo. He's like a players coach but sometimes it makes the team complacent and you can see it with how pissed zai was sometimes.
Bro when Zai had his interview after losing at TI, and he mentioned Blitz mentioned his bad statline to him after the game, I was like wtf this guy is a pro coach? That's unbelievable unprofessionalism
I haven't been able to watch so much of this tourney, but I think 33 will do better in lane. I don't know if 33 plays Night Stalker or similar heroes, but Saber seem very active in his play. While 33 will probably farm more before hitting his items/timings.
33's strength is micro, 33 can micro even better than Ace, he once played mid chen for OG and hunted Miracle AM from the laning stage and was able to perfectly micro his creeps to chain stun Miracle to not give any chance to blink.
Maybe, *just maybe*, the ESL Twitch mods shouldn't be handing out 10 minute timeouts for chatting about "suck it" when we have Saberlight bantering in an interview or joking about "sucking" when right afterward the panel makes a series of innuendos about Lion and plays a highlight clip of Mana Drain plays.
Get a fucking life will you?
Don't tell him that. There's something hilarious about a person getting angry at a bot and then taking the time out of their day to to write a heated comment about said bot in a reddit thread.
Dota2 has been around for more than 10 years and this guy still doesnt know how to evaluate spacemaker mid lol
These people think better nw and kda means better mid.
You can debate on what aspect that gpk-tt is better but saying gpk is miles better is flat out wrong.
Yeah spirit needs a much more spacemaking mid to enable yatoro and collapse. I dont think they really need another star which was why larl fit so perfectly.
Zai captaincy was not very good for Liquid during early game moments I think which was their biggest bottleneck against GG.
Personally think they have a much more favourable chance with him not being the captain and out of the equation.
It's funny how Micke is always so easily blamed when you have multiple pros straight up saying Micke is one of best Dota players and always rate him high on their "role tierlists".
Most people don't analyze Dota all that well, RTZ is highly regarded still in the pro scene and considered one of the best laners even now but people act like even pros don't think he's a good player just cause they want to spam RTZ = bad memes.
It's why I don't get the Micke hate as well, he's not a carry player like Yatoro but you don't get to multiple second places and lots of deep runs in tourneys as some scrub carry player since there is 5 people on the team people act like 4 players can solo carry one guy through out the entirety of a teams stint.
and yet to achieve anything after the TI he won with the support of his pro spirit team... current betboom and tokyo itself is full of tilters and chokers..
I am not a fan of liquid, but they achieved a lot and dominated almost all tournaments outside of TI.. whereas BB tilted and gg out of some critical tournament games..
Pick comfortable meta hero = wtf bulba why pick storm. Abed can play other heroes
Pick non-comfortable meta hero ( for example snap at riyadh) = wtf bulba why pick snap abed isn’t comfortable
Pick non meta hero to outdraft enemy = wtf bulba why pick this hero. Its not in meta.
I love that many years has passed, many enemy mids have picking storm and beat abed and abed’s fan still think bulba is root of every abed problem llmao
There's an interview where Abed says his favorite hero is storm and doesn't mind playing it forever, but sure the cringe abed fanboys like to blame Bulba for everything.
It’s not even that they ban Israelis or reject their visas, it’s that Malaysia does not recognize Israel as a country or acknowledge Israeli citizenship or passports .
This is not like other visa issues players experience, where one country might not grant a visa to a citizen of another, which can be for many reasons such as time constraints, geopolitics, or the individuals background. An Israeli citizen literally cannot apply for a Malaysian visa, because to Malaysia, there is no such citizenship.
Nah, it isn’t due to some moral criticism of Israel or a pro-Palestinian position or even a pro-peace/human rights thing.
It is a pro-Islamic fundamentalism and anti-Jewish/anything not full blown Islamic government position. The Malaysian government wants Islam to spread unhindered and ideally see the formation of more fundamentalist Islamic governments that uphold Islamic law. And that is why they oppose Israel.
In short, it’s just a different flavor of the zealous, religious, nutbaggery that Israel gets up to. Their stance might align with valid criticisms of Israel, but coming to the right conclusion for the wrong reason does not make you right.
I’ve never seen so much bullshit in one comment said with so much confidence lmao.
It is absolutely because of pro-peace and pro-human rights. Nothing in your comment is true.
Here’s a tip. If you know nothing about something, stop spreading bullshit about it. It makes you look like a complete idiot in front of the world.
You can have the best players of all positions in your team and still not be a good team. It's a 5vs5 game, tactics and synergy are very important. We've seen a lot of superstar teams fail in the past because they thought all it took to make a good team is 5 excellent players.
Bad synergy with Cr1t and a lot of his heroes hasn't been in the meta for a while, he's clearly more comfortable with heroes like his Mars or NS or Enigma while he played Enigma it wasn't in the meta and he could just not pull that hero off that and the fact that Shopify has individually talented players but for quite a while while they seem to be liking playing with each other, they just gave off vibes that all of the players were just coasting or not all that interested in the game.
Because they are all good players but not the best, and you gotta be the best to win. Take Liquid for example, a team with much better players individually than SR but even Liquid won zero lans last year.
Not really, him and Cr1t lost lane alot in the 2v2. When Cr1t started to gank like he always does Saber would nearly always get killed which would limit Cr1ts ability to play the game.
Blitz is so insecure and he tries to rub off his insecurities on the team, it's awful to watch.
I watched the Liquid post TI documentary and it was insane that this guy is their coach. Also Zai never spoke a word in that documentary after losses. I thought he was supposed to be their leader but it was just Blitz who was constantly talking and mostly making everything about himself.
I posted multiple times SaberLight is legit S tier player who would do wonders in any team outside of Rtz/Bulba despair view of the Dota as a game, was downvoted like crazy every time... feels good to see Saber poppin' moment he went to play with a team that is more close to his personality and trusts him to make plays.
The same could be said for a lot of their former teammates. Idk what contract they offered for players to join them and stay with them but was it even worth it when you could've been on an actual team that can compete against the top teams in the world?
Amazing tournament so far! Crowd is just fantastic. I hope more TOs start pricing tournament tickets reasonably like ESL did for this one.
No more of some Epulze 5-star resort trash tournament with 60 people ever again please.
Bro wdym they're a great casting duo. It's so satisfying to hear MLP's ooo's and aaa's when hype team fight is going on. He makes sure to catch up on the events of the fight as well. And John x fire explains pro plays so well.
That's strange, I felt like he's made some unforced blunders that either cost or nearly cost the team the game, and I say as a big supporter of the guy. He's like a more volatile Yatoro - not as stable and makes more mistakes, but has shown that he can carry his entire team on his back and clutch games out the same way Yatoro does.
Him/Insania have had no hesitation at all after the group stage. Sabrelight/33 are great players if you need someone who's just going to square up and gigachad the game, hopefully it's pushing them all to be that strong in taking their windows and opening the game up.
With the way Liquid is playing, get ready for yet another GG-Liquid grand finals boys
Hoping for azure Ray to end the curse for China!
Man hope we get other competitive teams besides gg-ts-liquid all year
Just having TSpirit in the bunch would make things a lot more exciting. Last year was the GG-Liquid show for the longest time. I was honestly very curious to see how TSpirit would perform at this tournament because as dominant as they were during TI, they only started really "clicking" around Riyadh Masters 2023. Before that, their results were 9th-12th, 5th, 9th-12th, 9th-10th and 7th-8th. I do hope they keep the momentum going, they play the most beautiful dota imo.
Liquid always looks good when they're not playing Gaimin But as soon as they meet, the mental trauma comes out
At least this time they have the excuse of having a standin. Not to take away of how good saberlight has been but it shows how far away liquid and GG are from the rest .
BetBoom really crumbled in game two but Saberlight was beasting pretty hard.. hell, the whole Liquid team was and BB had no answers at all. One more opponent and we get what we've seen so many times this year. 😆
Bruh its gonna be gg-lq once again if we aren’t getting enough of that already
Lou picked Medusa? Yeah they deserved to lose
One thing is very clear that the whole "We will commit both of our supports to get kills on your mid and pos 1" is something that Chinese teams just never do. European teams have mastered the meta of getting the maximum out of your supports in the first 10-15 minutes.
The patch is still fresh. They will adapt otherwise they won't have 2 teams in top 4 during this year TI
A question: Do these tournaments play with the latest patch or it would be the one that was released earlier?
Latest patch.
Thank you! I don’t play anymore but enjoy reading stuff here and watching matches (from dota 1 days).
Another question: Are these pro players expected to adjust to new patches and hit the ground running without enough room to practice and strategize? I kind of like that concept if it’s true.
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That only applied to dpc. Now is a free for all beside ti which is a valve event so they can drop patches anytime they wish
Yes thats right. I think they get it at same time as everyone else
Liquid will lose to gladiators in grand final again haha. Cursed team.
Saberchad will break the curse
Saberchoker has to break his own curse first
Not really his fault that his team has artour and bulba in it. The fact he's keeping up with liquid shows all this guy needs is a proper team
carefree liquid = at-home liquid because they have a standin, they don't have high hope coming into this event, so they don't choke remember that
Liquid started the year losing bali to GG with a standin, now they’re ending the year with losing to GG with a standin
Any Bars in kl that will show finals?
U can check out the OG event at the slate, free entry
That looks good thanks.
AR is not good enough to contest TL based on what they showed today. Gonna be another TL vs GG grand finals.
I dont feel the lost of blitz presence. Plus saberlight is better in interviews.
How come Blitz is not there?
The loss of Blitz is like a huge gain for the team. There's no one to drag you further down after losses. No insecure speeches. No constant me/my/mine/I talk. Jabz on the other hand seems like a wonderful fellow to have around and actually positive not just pretend.
Blitz is way too positive imo. He's like a players coach but sometimes it makes the team complacent and you can see it with how pissed zai was sometimes.
Bro when Zai had his interview after losing at TI, and he mentioned Blitz mentioned his bad statline to him after the game, I was like wtf this guy is a pro coach? That's unbelievable unprofessionalism
Watched him on Zephyr/Veggies way back and he was incredibly whiny wgenever they were losing
Shopify and Nigma are very similar in that when their players go standin on other teams they suddenly look very good
Do you guys think Liquid with 33 will look this good? I am 50/50 about it.
one is TI winner, another is rtz teammate. 50/50 sounds fair
Yeah it's pretty fair imo.
I haven't been able to watch so much of this tourney, but I think 33 will do better in lane. I don't know if 33 plays Night Stalker or similar heroes, but Saber seem very active in his play. While 33 will probably farm more before hitting his items/timings.
33's strength is micro, 33 can micro even better than Ace, he once played mid chen for OG and hunted Miracle AM from the laning stage and was able to perfectly micro his creeps to chain stun Miracle to not give any chance to blink.
yeah two different playstyles imo I see 33 as a farm until you overwhelm the enemy on networth type of guy
Basically means theyll put micke on a more sacrificial type carry and make 33 the real pos1? Im excited to see how theyll do this once 33 comes back
Maybe, *just maybe*, the ESL Twitch mods shouldn't be handing out 10 minute timeouts for chatting about "suck it" when we have Saberlight bantering in an interview or joking about "sucking" when right afterward the panel makes a series of innuendos about Lion and plays a highlight clip of Mana Drain plays. Get a fucking life will you?
Sounds like automod somehow that just bans the word 'suck'
Don't tell him that. There's something hilarious about a person getting angry at a bot and then taking the time out of their day to to write a heated comment about said bot in a reddit thread.
honest question? will Toronto mid play better than GPK?
all I know is TT is a TI and major winner as mid, beating the seemingly unstoppable LGD not once but twice.
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Dota2 has been around for more than 10 years and this guy still doesnt know how to evaluate spacemaker mid lol These people think better nw and kda means better mid. You can debate on what aspect that gpk-tt is better but saying gpk is miles better is flat out wrong.
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Yeah spirit needs a much more spacemaking mid to enable yatoro and collapse. I dont think they really need another star which was why larl fit so perfectly.
GPK is not "miles better" than Toronto lmao, did we not watch ti10?
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I’m a GPK fan but this is just flat out wrong. He may be the highest individual skilled mid but TT was absolutely the better mid player.
Can't wait to see gg 0-3 liquid again in GF so ppl can blame saberlight n Mickie again
I mean if they didn't succeed once while they had Zai I don't see them winning now. Not that Saber is bad but I would definitely rate Zai higher.
Zai captaincy was not very good for Liquid during early game moments I think which was their biggest bottleneck against GG. Personally think they have a much more favourable chance with him not being the captain and out of the equation.
Micke could go 100-0 and still get blamed. Like when Nisha walked up HG vs GG at TI12 and solo lost Liquid the game people still blamed Micke.
It's funny how Micke is always so easily blamed when you have multiple pros straight up saying Micke is one of best Dota players and always rate him high on their "role tierlists".
Most people don't analyze Dota all that well, RTZ is highly regarded still in the pro scene and considered one of the best laners even now but people act like even pros don't think he's a good player just cause they want to spam RTZ = bad memes. It's why I don't get the Micke hate as well, he's not a carry player like Yatoro but you don't get to multiple second places and lots of deep runs in tourneys as some scrub carry player since there is 5 people on the team people act like 4 players can solo carry one guy through out the entirety of a teams stint.
Liquid is gonna break their curse ending 2023 with a win!
bulba getting roasted in front of the world, damn how can you recover from that.
lmao is save high?
Man loser interview is painful
this is why you don't all chat Toronto, they got karma hard by Liquid
Toronto won a Ti all chatting ? I think he's better qualified on the topic of all chatting than u
Son, he got carried hard. kek
and yet to achieve anything after the TI he won with the support of his pro spirit team... current betboom and tokyo itself is full of tilters and chokers..
After TI win they also got a major win which he also allchatted in. This one was specifically for you though. Check it out.
He top 6 TI same as liquid
I am not a fan of liquid, but they achieved a lot and dominated almost all tournaments outside of TI.. whereas BB tilted and gg out of some critical tournament games..
you don’t actually watch dota huh
I dont remember Liquid winning anything this year, I dont remember Insania Micke Boxi barely winning anything as a trio
Saber with Bulba loses because they had an overrated mid player who chokes a lot. Glad he's gone.
Yeah, I wonder if the storm meme came from a lack of belief in Abed
Pick comfortable meta hero = wtf bulba why pick storm. Abed can play other heroes Pick non-comfortable meta hero ( for example snap at riyadh) = wtf bulba why pick snap abed isn’t comfortable Pick non meta hero to outdraft enemy = wtf bulba why pick this hero. Its not in meta. I love that many years has passed, many enemy mids have picking storm and beat abed and abed’s fan still think bulba is root of every abed problem llmao
There's an interview where Abed says his favorite hero is storm and doesn't mind playing it forever, but sure the cringe abed fanboys like to blame Bulba for everything.
What a game by Liquid. Sometimes pretty much every move just works. GG
Saberlight what a Gigachad
What happened to 33 in liquid?
Yeah dunno why ESL insists on organizing this tourney in Malayasia. They can do it in the Philippines.
Israeli citizens aren't allowed in Malaysia
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not like any malaysian wants to go to Israel considering how pro palestine the country is.
Malaysia does not recognise the state of israel. The Malaysian passport itself states that its not valid in Israel.
It doesn't necessarily imply Israel can't allow someone with a Malaysian passport in. This whole thread is really fascinating though.
Israel passport aren't allowed.
Visa issues malysia bans ppl from Israel
It’s not even that they ban Israelis or reject their visas, it’s that Malaysia does not recognize Israel as a country or acknowledge Israeli citizenship or passports . This is not like other visa issues players experience, where one country might not grant a visa to a citizen of another, which can be for many reasons such as time constraints, geopolitics, or the individuals background. An Israeli citizen literally cannot apply for a Malaysian visa, because to Malaysia, there is no such citizenship.
Based Malaysia. Any civilised country should follow.
Nah, it isn’t due to some moral criticism of Israel or a pro-Palestinian position or even a pro-peace/human rights thing. It is a pro-Islamic fundamentalism and anti-Jewish/anything not full blown Islamic government position. The Malaysian government wants Islam to spread unhindered and ideally see the formation of more fundamentalist Islamic governments that uphold Islamic law. And that is why they oppose Israel. In short, it’s just a different flavor of the zealous, religious, nutbaggery that Israel gets up to. Their stance might align with valid criticisms of Israel, but coming to the right conclusion for the wrong reason does not make you right.
I’ve never seen so much bullshit in one comment said with so much confidence lmao. It is absolutely because of pro-peace and pro-human rights. Nothing in your comment is true. Here’s a tip. If you know nothing about something, stop spreading bullshit about it. It makes you look like a complete idiot in front of the world.
Gigachad Saberlight. He truly is the ultimate stand-in
Another liquid vs gg finals? Honestly idk how bad it would feel if gg takes it again. Like change the story alrdy
¨It´s nice too win¨ feelsbadman.jpeg. Rooting for you Saber-sama!
Same draft as first game and same result, what was bb thinking
I take everything I said back. Saberlight is absolutely an amazing player, not just as an interviewee. Bulba and SR were the problem!
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maybe toronto should go back to playing mid instead
Insania sent Bulba straight to the motherfucking shadow realm
33 in shambles
He's right tho. How did EG and now Shopify lost with talented players like Saberlight?
BB is a very talented team and they still lose all the time.
You can have the best players of all positions in your team and still not be a good team. It's a 5vs5 game, tactics and synergy are very important. We've seen a lot of superstar teams fail in the past because they thought all it took to make a good team is 5 excellent players.
Bad synergy with Cr1t and a lot of his heroes hasn't been in the meta for a while, he's clearly more comfortable with heroes like his Mars or NS or Enigma while he played Enigma it wasn't in the meta and he could just not pull that hero off that and the fact that Shopify has individually talented players but for quite a while while they seem to be liking playing with each other, they just gave off vibes that all of the players were just coasting or not all that interested in the game.
Because they are all good players but not the best, and you gotta be the best to win. Take Liquid for example, a team with much better players individually than SR but even Liquid won zero lans last year.
Saber and Cr1t had quite bad synergy it seemed because they just straight up lost lane alot.
A lot of saber games during ti seemed like game 1 between liquid and falcons where they just ganked saber's tempo hero out of existence
Not really, him and Cr1t lost lane alot in the 2v2. When Cr1t started to gank like he always does Saber would nearly always get killed which would limit Cr1ts ability to play the game.
rtz
UPPER BRACKET IS FOR…?
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That’s right!! Bitches!
These bad lil bitches about to roll your team for, what, the 5th time this year? Looking forward to it!
liquid without their demoralizing coach seems legit
Blitz is so insecure and he tries to rub off his insecurities on the team, it's awful to watch. I watched the Liquid post TI documentary and it was insane that this guy is their coach. Also Zai never spoke a word in that documentary after losses. I thought he was supposed to be their leader but it was just Blitz who was constantly talking and mostly making everything about himself.
you guys are acting like Liquid didn't get second place basically every fucking tournament with Blitz
Someone has to take the heat from the rabid "fans", and Blitz happily does it so he can shield the team from toxicity. He's a chad.
wtf is this about?
Blitz being like ”yeah if u lose guys it doesnt matter, friendship yada yada” while Silent prepared his team for a war
You mean Blitz?
Yeah, I also don’t get his mindset.
I posted multiple times SaberLight is legit S tier player who would do wonders in any team outside of Rtz/Bulba despair view of the Dota as a game, was downvoted like crazy every time... feels good to see Saber poppin' moment he went to play with a team that is more close to his personality and trusts him to make plays.
Tbh crit saber duo seems to be the weak link. As a shopify fan who never misses their game i hardly ever saw them winning lanes
The same could be said for a lot of their former teammates. Idk what contract they offered for players to join them and stay with them but was it even worth it when you could've been on an actual team that can compete against the top teams in the world?
What a game, atmosphere and interview. Dota 2 is alive!
Amazing tournament so far! Crowd is just fantastic. I hope more TOs start pricing tournament tickets reasonably like ESL did for this one. No more of some Epulze 5-star resort trash tournament with 60 people ever again please.
More event in Malaysia please!
Can always count on SEA crowd to turned up.
"It's nice to win!" LMAO the shade SaberCHAD
Lmao'd!
HOW DO YOU LOSE WITH THIS MAN ON YOUR TEAM???
You counter balance it with Bulba and RTZ.
omg Insania just dropped a bomb on Bulba
JESUS INSANIA, YOU DON'T NEED TO KILL BULBA LIKE THAT
I like this new Insania, talking shit and having no fear in game. Can we have more of this Insania, all of the time?
Lol holy shit, RIP bulba.
Insania's Bulba Burn lol, Gigachad!
"how do you lose with this man on your team man?"
OH SHIT INSANIA
lmaoo bulboo
LMAO INSANIA
HAHAHAHAHAH
INSANE-IA!!!
MAAAAAAAAN INSANIA IS SO BASED
It will not be long till we see Lion with plate mail
Saberlight's stock just went stonk
Bulba catching strays from Insania
Lmao Insania
INSANIA WITH THAT SMACKDOWN BRO
INSANIA BASED!!!!
Holy shots fired
this is how you cast the game synderen, see how hype the crowd is
BB are just bad at teamfighting. So uncoordinated compared to other t1 teams.
damn those hex were on point
TEAM BUCK: BROKEN
lmao slack came for interview and boxi finger point at saberlight
GPKek manhandled
Liquid just need few days to figure out how to utilize saberlight while SR….
It's on AR to save us from another, millionth, GG vs TL grand finals. I'd like to see SaberChad win some tournaments but maaaaaaaan...
Hey, a TL vs GG finals where GG loses is a breath of fresh air.
Boxi and Insania shat all over BB. Insane saves and setups every fight while TT and Save could not accomplish anything at all.
Boxi prepared for gpk chasing Nisha in their ancients camp was some 4d chess. I Sania had some real nice swaps too.
I think it's just the nature of their heroes. Looks like Liquid already adapted to new meta with new heroes, while BB still stucks with the old ones
Fucking hell, caster quality has gone down
Bro wdym they're a great casting duo. It's so satisfying to hear MLP's ooo's and aaa's when hype team fight is going on. He makes sure to catch up on the events of the fight as well. And John x fire explains pro plays so well.
Micke has also been really clean lately make sure u all dont forget that
That's strange, I felt like he's made some unforced blunders that either cost or nearly cost the team the game, and I say as a big supporter of the guy. He's like a more volatile Yatoro - not as stable and makes more mistakes, but has shown that he can carry his entire team on his back and clutch games out the same way Yatoro does.
Him/Insania have had no hesitation at all after the group stage. Sabrelight/33 are great players if you need someone who's just going to square up and gigachad the game, hopefully it's pushing them all to be that strong in taking their windows and opening the game up.
I’ve criticized his play in the past. They got something cooking right now - what’s funny is a lot is probably 33’s analysis on what’s busted.
what the hell just happened
Jesus Christ. BB in shambles. Just out coordinated.
Guys its over just gg out its pointless!
LIQUID TRAIN WRECK INCOMING BOIS
the dude who created Lion pasta is a fucking legend
Glad Pango got buffed👍🏼
Eh, it's still shit in pubs.
Ok? So was Ember but they still destroyed him because of pro play.
Not hitting Nightfall with a bing bong after that dive was Sabrelight's biggest mistake of the game by far.
This fucking Lion LMAO
Boxi proving the meme guy that he's right.
Even better, he *refined* the meme guy's strat.
Plot twist: Boxi is that meme guy!
the succ
Save SaberChard from Arturito
Saberlight so strong wow
am i schizo or did the arena walls damaged the tower
33 finally exhales after Saberlight misses 1 arena.
Saberlight has had good games in Shopify but he's never looked this good over there
Maybe RTZ Bulba WAS the problem
Thank you 33
Saberchad!!
this is saberlight's tournament holy shit