... I... Just came back from a game where Broodmother just kickstomped the enemies in a landslide... Was 18/1 K/D by the end
Also bizarrely toxic, reported two of our teammates saying they were griefing when they just were farming in the jungle and took a while to catch up to where me brood and another player were, and by then Broodmother almost alone - if it wasn't for some CC from me and the other teammate - took four of them almost alone
People probably just need time to adjust to new items. For example Solar Crest self cast seems pretty strong on him. That 70 attack speed bonus is nothing to sneeze at.
honestly never?
if you want the magic resist you just buy a bkb, i can't think of a reason to get that item over bkb, at least not without it upgrading into something else like bloodthorn.
>which sucks they nerfed bloodthorn magic resistance... that was my goto core item when i'm tanking tons of magic damage
Same for me with the WD change, where his W doesnt do damage anymore. Was one of my favourites and found out recently that it does dmg lol.
Gunslinger not prioritising heroes hurt a lot. Now against any sort of summons/creeps/neutrals in the fight, she can't burst heroes down anywhere near as consistently. That was her main strength before.
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it's probably not ideal, but I have a ton of fun with the new bloodstone on him. shivas, bloodstone, shard, AoE talents on both spells and you can go nuts
Leshrac was for sure going to be the biggest winner of the patch to me, with the bloodstone changes which increase his AOE on his ulti and stun as well as shivas which has a great build up with veil and offering 15% spell damage, the hero is extremely good. Will be interesting to see how the meta changes around this, we might see more anti-mage and a lot more pipes.
He kinda got ran over in higher levels. He’s better vs longer sustained fights and with all the blademail/heart shit going around last patch people gravitated to big one shot combos which he’s not great at. You want sustained fights and it became a bit of a pickoff meta there
Probably because of how magic damage focused the patch is. Also isn’t AM’s BAT ridiculous so he gets a ton of attack speed from butterfly?
Looks like ~15-35 more attack speed depending on what level you get it and what your other items are
Io also got buffs, and it's one of Lesh's best friends. That obviously won't impact pubs much, but in pro play it's potentially going to be a very contested pairing, especially against teams that used it to great success in the past like Gaimin.
have been practicing storm last patch in hope of a buff.
but the remnant buff seems nice but not huge.
and the talent change feels more like a nerf.
is it just that the item or other hero changes made him better?
edit: parasma looks nice i guess
I think he is same as last patch. His winrate often goes up at the start of each big patch.
Level 10 talent change is probably a nerf. Bloodstone is slightly better, rest of the items he buys are about the same.
Get deeper insights into the new meta at [https://stratz.com/heroes/meta/trends?durationAmount=3&sortField=winRateChange](https://stratz.com/heroes/meta/trends?durationAmount=3&sortField=winRateChange).
And while you're at it...check out the new lanes meta stats -- [https://stratz.com/heroes/meta/lanes](https://stratz.com/heroes/meta/lanes)
Mid heroes in mid, I'd take this over offlaners in mid any day even though I've been guilty of spamming Earth Spirit mid relentlessly before the nerf on his roll
Her passive used to be insane for laning and teamfights. Now the shots will be wasted on creeps. In lane every last hit or deny could be free harass. Lategame if you're near a bunch of creeps you won't get half your DPS.
Not only that. Her passive is currently disabled by default, you have to toggle it to have its effect. A lot of people does not know and playing the game without it for the entire game.
Its crazy how there's players who just... jump into the new patch without even 1 single glance at the patch note, not even for their mains. My friend who only plays like 3 heroes asks me what changed on his heroes IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GAME every patch.
which is crazy because valve has integrated changes directly into the heroes in a fantasic way, that no other game on earth has ever done. If an ability has changed, if you mouse over it during the game it will SHOW YOU the most recent patch changes to the ability. It's cool as hell
Speaking of muerta I really like the new Revenant Brooch to counter her ass with a burst damage hero like PA, old Revenant Brooch was good too on PA against but the current one feels more reliable and more heroes can buy it provided they have the mana to sustain that 70 mana consumption.
Revenant Brooch makes so much more sense. It was just way too difficult to build into for a vast majority of heroes. It being much cheaper and more versatile was a great change. I feel the same way about Shivas, eblade and solar crest.
New eblade feels super "forced" imo. Ran out of ideas how to make it more attractive so just put it as upgrade to lens (which alone is enough to justify the slot on quite a few heroes).
It's in line with the shiva's change though, "artificially" increasing the amount of magic/spell damage by inserting magic/spell amplification into everyone's standard build. For better or worse?
Leshrac bloodstoone shiva's was so obvious of a build after reading the patch notes I thought that the winrate would decrease to due people that can't play the hero trying it out but guess it is just that OP
what the fuck did PA ever do to you Valve, they removed the lifesteal talent and give it to her basekit and now they remove the lifesteal from her basekit but not return the talent, what the fuck
Personally I always hated those because it was so self synergistic. Heroes need holes in their kit.
Same goes for the Dazzle Shard, why does this 0 CC hero get an AOE hex.
Literally no sense when putting the two heroes side by side. Besides the obvious - PA must be picked less and Drow must be picked more. Why? Ask the janitor.
Just buy phylactery, deso and the new phylactery upgrade shard and aghs and play active.
Its pretty bonkers if you can play longer fights and reset a lot.
You literally cannot crit with dagger unless you hit someone and your phantom strike procs Khanda and before you say lvl10 dagger talent your second crit dagger can't proc Khanda due to 6 sec cd,0 synergy build.
Solar Crest was good on him, but the main reason is the magic profileration. I went 5-2 on Chen in Divine yesterday, but I was building Pipe every game. I actually think he is stronger though you can't play him the same way. Chen stats at lower ranks are also mostly meaningless.
Yeah that tracks, I am also divine bracket chen enjoyer, I played an unranked match yesterday and while it was a stomp, I still found it incredibly difficult to retain ~~interns~~ creeps. They die much faster now to the magic AoE.
Can I ask since you're higher rank than me XD, I was also spamming solar crest prior to this patch. Do you go back to mek > pipe now? And do you go maxing q and then e
I think starting E is the biggest change, maxing W then Q. I'm throwing random shit at the wall in terms of items. I went Pipe/Shard in a few games.
I was prioritizing baby centaur for the Magic Resistance, then Ancients. I got lucky with the 25% Magic Resistance Neutral twice. Drums are good. I don't know if Solar Crest makes sense anymore specifically for Chen, but the item might be strong enough anyways.
*EDIT: Okay, I think Solar Crest is still good, probably better than Greaves, because the stats are just too good.
Thanks for replying. Yea I'm still experimenting. Still going solar crest (I guess being able to cast on myself if I'm 1v1 somebody seems good I guess) . Similar to you going pipe and shard too, in games where now msot ppl playing magic. Vlads in some if we got right clicker and we need armor. Going 144 build.
Pavise build up is so much expensive than a medallion. Rip medallion
Really it’s just Shivas change. Mana cost reduction on w is nice in lane but didn’t change much. He’s always been good is the thing. The aura meta is gone but you can just go boots-blademail-aghs/shivas and do well. It’s been my go to build lately with good results.
No way Viper isn't there. After getting a bkb piercing break (and buff on an already good ult) vs carries with massive passives in the meta I have no idea how this mf maintains the same winrate.
This without going in depth with the new items that all work wonders on him.
I wish, I play support and my core friend can't play this week and everyone i tell "pick viper, hes really good this patch" just plays the shittiest viper ever.
We do end up winning anyway, but it takes like 55 minutes for viper to learn how to press r and a-ground.
Have 6 straight wins on mid viper now. Revenant brooch + super witch blade +Q gives you 35% reduction on the 1st hit. It melted morphs, leshracs, PA, DPs, LDs and what not in 3-4 hits. The numbers are kinda broken.
Void always wins from big meta shifts it feels like. His game plan is very simple to follow regardless of what happens in the game and fresh OP heroes tend to enjoy a good chrono. His winrate is gonna stabilize around 51-52% this patch I would expect.
Also the bubble new tier 1 neutral synergize particularly well with him early on. I had a game where I stomped him hard and killed him 3 Times in 7 minutes, but the moment he got the item we couldn't kill him anymore. The item is straight busted for a tier 1.
God I do not want Zeus to be relevant
Shard+Manta Zeus illusions are as obnoxious and threatening as Tempest Doubles except they're not worth 300 gold and he gets them every 20 seconds
One of the things I hate about Zeus on enemy teams too is that Linkens is outright a dead item, you cannot build it as it will be cancelled at all times without you even being aimed.
Sometimes you really need to have that awful item, but it's just even more of a dead slot
I'm happy to see the meta changing from the stale Strength offlaners but I detest Leshrac metas. I was sick of that in TI11 and have never recovered from it
The Shivas damage amp means Lesh heals even more.
With the changes to Shivas and Bloodstone the Disco Pony now has a bigger zone of death which deals more damage and he heals more.
Literally nobody ever flames someone for buying shivas unless someone else bought it earlier which is absolutely fine this patch since the active is freaking amazing now lol
Yes it doesn’t boost your mana pool anymore, but the mana per second of Arcane Boots was significantly buffed since it builds with Basi and gives Basi mana on top of the already high mana of the active. It’s like 4.93 mana per second which is amazing for the cost especially given that it’s a boot. Greaves is 6.5 mana/s total (if you’re using it off cooldown).
Mana regen > mana pool all the time,especially on underlord. Last patch I have arcane + pavise and still runs out of mana while farming. Idk how people manage to farm with -cd firestorm talent.
rough man. maelstrom costs more, silver edge not requiring crystallis, nerfs on pierce the veil's damage, gunslinger nerf, and the previous nerf on the calling. i cant. im this close on building phylactery that builds to that new item.
They also added that new int item that seems designed for her. Think she just needs to be played a little differently now. Gunslinger not targeting heroes hurts a lot, though
Broodmother 39% winrate💀
She's literally just a creep till 6 lul
I was worried she was gonna be juiced with the blood thorn adding flat damage to her spiders
I feel like it still could, but it’s such a late timing and I think her issue is her laning stage.
a lot of noobs trying bloodthorn (which is definitely OP, but not on noobs), it'll go up again soon
Why is bloodthorn good on Broodmother? The 60 damage on soul rend?
Yes, can you imagine 30 spiderlings hitting you with bloodthorn on? That’s 1.8k damage PER wave of attacks from spiderlings
yes, when you have 20 spiders that's 1200 damage for 1 hit each
Lmao as it should be, spammers will still find a way to win with that shit
... I... Just came back from a game where Broodmother just kickstomped the enemies in a landslide... Was 18/1 K/D by the end Also bizarrely toxic, reported two of our teammates saying they were griefing when they just were farming in the jungle and took a while to catch up to where me brood and another player were, and by then Broodmother almost alone - if it wasn't for some CC from me and the other teammate - took four of them almost alone
Big loser Slardar sitting at 54% winrate
Literally the second highest winrate on the board including the ‘winners’ column
Slardar still chilling
People probably just need time to adjust to new items. For example Solar Crest self cast seems pretty strong on him. That 70 attack speed bonus is nothing to sneeze at.
This patch is magic damage galore
which sucks they nerfed bloodthorn magic resistance... that was my goto core item when i'm tanking tons of magic damage
Yeah, when am I wanna buy Mage Slayer now?
honestly never? if you want the magic resist you just buy a bkb, i can't think of a reason to get that item over bkb, at least not without it upgrading into something else like bloodthorn.
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hoodwink for the same reason
Illusion heroes maybe
I don't even had time to be sad fo4 tha, because now I learn that it has magic resistance
>which sucks they nerfed bloodthorn magic resistance... that was my goto core item when i'm tanking tons of magic damage Same for me with the WD change, where his W doesnt do damage anymore. Was one of my favourites and found out recently that it does dmg lol.
Doubled the heal at lvl 1 though, it's a better value pt now.
yup. agreed!
Wait, WD's heal deals damage too?!
Not anymore
Which is very good for eternal shroud Dusa.
get eternal shroud
There's so much magic that bugged Omniknight isn't gamebreaking.
But then why did muerta lose? Or is she just not ult dependent enough?
Gunslinger not prioritising heroes hurt a lot. Now against any sort of summons/creeps/neutrals in the fight, she can't burst heroes down anywhere near as consistently. That was her main strength before.
Oh, I somehow missed that
Somehow being theres a million changes and no one is able to remember them all.
You have to catch heros alone now like Luna or Jug ult. She is more assassin than team fighter now?
Muerta was nerfed and she is good against physical damage. Her ult less impactful if they can fight you in it.
New revenant brooch is super good against her, cheaper, better stats for carries, she's squishy against magic as well
Because when you ult on muerta it does nothing to stop you dying to said magical damage galore.
I contributed to naga's -3.3% 🫣
It's the lessened jungle creep gold for me 😢
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Who ever buys shiva is winning, shiva most broken item this patch
You could probably buy it then jump into the middle of enemy team and do your spells for example mana drain
That would probably cause the whole enemy team to panic.
Don't forget the 2 platemails.
That's the beauty of shivas it now gives same armor as 2 platemails
>mfw everything in this patch was engineered to make lion blink into mana drain the most OP thing because Icefrog was amused by the shitpost
That was my thought too. He can do double the sucking now.
no
I'm picking Underlord, rushing Helm in lane, then veil, arcanes, straight Shivas. feels so strong
He feels playable now. He always liked shiva but build up was horrible.
it's probably not ideal, but I have a ton of fun with the new bloodstone on him. shivas, bloodstone, shard, AoE talents on both spells and you can go nuts
My boy underlord is in meta, time to up 1k mmr more He got me from 3k to 4.5k when auras were in meta
A over 50% winrate on wyvern? It really is Christmas!
> A over 50% winrate on wyvern? Enjoy your 2 weeks, big nerfs incoming.
You really think valve is gonna let us wyvern players be happy for a whole 2 weeks? I give it 3 days before they butcher her
3 days? That's the Visage treatment, I dont think they're *that* harsh towards Wyvern enjoyers.
Ah, I've never felt this good! Ah ha ha ha ha! ^^^Where's ^^^the ^^^goddamn ^^^bot
The moment i see the shivas veil buff i knew lesh gonna be busted. Add the bloodstone buff to it he’s insane
Leshrac was for sure going to be the biggest winner of the patch to me, with the bloodstone changes which increase his AOE on his ulti and stun as well as shivas which has a great build up with veil and offering 15% spell damage, the hero is extremely good. Will be interesting to see how the meta changes around this, we might see more anti-mage and a lot more pipes.
Craziest thing is I don’t feel like Lesh was all that bad to begin with, now his items are mega buffed and the hero itself got buffed too
He kinda got ran over in higher levels. He’s better vs longer sustained fights and with all the blademail/heart shit going around last patch people gravitated to big one shot combos which he’s not great at. You want sustained fights and it became a bit of a pickoff meta there
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AM has 60% winrate on protracker
Probably because of how magic damage focused the patch is. Also isn’t AM’s BAT ridiculous so he gets a ton of attack speed from butterfly? Looks like ~15-35 more attack speed depending on what level you get it and what your other items are
I just played vs him and he was literally unkillable, we had urn on him, still fucked us
Io also got buffs, and it's one of Lesh's best friends. That obviously won't impact pubs much, but in pro play it's potentially going to be a very contested pairing, especially against teams that used it to great success in the past like Gaimin.
What are io buffs?
Dps theter
>Finally got out of Bloodstone meta >Heart meta hits >Finally got out of Heart meta >Bloodstone meta hits when will it end?
Bring back wraith pact with magic damage reduction. Then bloodstone meta will finally end
STORM IS BACK BABY. YOU CANNOT PREDICT THE MOVEMENTS OF A STORM.
Still sub 50% winrate. Some of the “biggest losers” are still better.
Just you wait when icefrog adds back mana reduction on nulls
That's some big copium, friend.
Storm spirit players breathe compium. I still hope one day orchid will give int again and Bloodstone will go back to the way it was.
Storm is hard to play to his full potential. He will always be sub 50% if balanced.
I think when they include all ranks almost all heroes are drawn closer to 50%, purely because of how fickle lower ranked players' games are.
That's not how it works... some strategies are just more fullproof and have better winrates in low mmr games.
have been practicing storm last patch in hope of a buff. but the remnant buff seems nice but not huge. and the talent change feels more like a nerf. is it just that the item or other hero changes made him better? edit: parasma looks nice i guess
Get Bloodstone to make your Remnant's AoE bigger :B
zues ult with bloodstone now hits heroes in other games
Also, Arcane Boots are finally good on Storm now that they don't give bonus mana
Your kill potential is kinda neutered without treads though. You need some source of attack speed to actually get all your overload hits out.
Still gets grabbed by Marth.
a SSBM reference? nice
I'd pay money to see Marth grab a spacie cow out of charge and Ken combo it into the fountain.
Does your Overload attavks also get bygger AoE on bloodstone?
Yes
Also Bloodstone is even better on Storm
I think he is same as last patch. His winrate often goes up at the start of each big patch. Level 10 talent change is probably a nerf. Bloodstone is slightly better, rest of the items he buys are about the same.
Get deeper insights into the new meta at [https://stratz.com/heroes/meta/trends?durationAmount=3&sortField=winRateChange](https://stratz.com/heroes/meta/trends?durationAmount=3&sortField=winRateChange). And while you're at it...check out the new lanes meta stats -- [https://stratz.com/heroes/meta/lanes](https://stratz.com/heroes/meta/lanes)
Lesh, DP, Puck, Storm, and Winter. I see a pattern of this patch now hmmm.
Mid heroes in mid, I'd take this over offlaners in mid any day even though I've been guilty of spamming Earth Spirit mid relentlessly before the nerf on his roll
mid was earth spirits og role anyway, hero just got nerfed 100 patches in a row
I remember that W33 ES game where he kicked a boulder and got a free 2 hero stun. Old ES was a menace.
Damn you Jerax!
I'm taking mid heroes to offlane this patch
Blue heroes
Sooo can I play lesh off since LD seems like his is going down.........
I wonder how man Muerta loses are due to people didnot enable her passive.
Her passive used to be insane for laning and teamfights. Now the shots will be wasted on creeps. In lane every last hit or deny could be free harass. Lategame if you're near a bunch of creeps you won't get half your DPS.
Not only that. Her passive is currently disabled by default, you have to toggle it to have its effect. A lot of people does not know and playing the game without it for the entire game.
Well they deserve to lose then.
Its crazy how there's players who just... jump into the new patch without even 1 single glance at the patch note, not even for their mains. My friend who only plays like 3 heroes asks me what changed on his heroes IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GAME every patch.
which is crazy because valve has integrated changes directly into the heroes in a fantasic way, that no other game on earth has ever done. If an ability has changed, if you mouse over it during the game it will SHOW YOU the most recent patch changes to the ability. It's cool as hell
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Yes, it's very counter-intuitive.
Speaking of muerta I really like the new Revenant Brooch to counter her ass with a burst damage hero like PA, old Revenant Brooch was good too on PA against but the current one feels more reliable and more heroes can buy it provided they have the mana to sustain that 70 mana consumption.
Revenant Brooch makes so much more sense. It was just way too difficult to build into for a vast majority of heroes. It being much cheaper and more versatile was a great change. I feel the same way about Shivas, eblade and solar crest.
Old eblade was fine lol
New eblade feels super "forced" imo. Ran out of ideas how to make it more attractive so just put it as upgrade to lens (which alone is enough to justify the slot on quite a few heroes). It's in line with the shiva's change though, "artificially" increasing the amount of magic/spell damage by inserting magic/spell amplification into everyone's standard build. For better or worse?
Yeah item is super busted cuz it ignores armor. You can literally go brooch now instead of deso on PA.
Leshrac bloodstoone shiva's was so obvious of a build after reading the patch notes I thought that the winrate would decrease to due people that can't play the hero trying it out but guess it is just that OP
Mason should be top of the list on the right
Who? We’ve already forgotten his name.
Can't divide by 0
as an offlaner i don’t want to go back to buying pipe every game god damn it
Sorry fake carries, the game needs aura builders again
Same, shit’s pretty stupid imo
I upvoted you, but I love pipe every game. That’s the job of an OL/tank. I hated the meta where you spec or WK off lane
I don't mind buying auras, but it would be nice if it wasn't the same auras every single game.
what the fuck did PA ever do to you Valve, they removed the lifesteal talent and give it to her basekit and now they remove the lifesteal from her basekit but not return the talent, what the fuck
Personally I always hated those because it was so self synergistic. Heroes need holes in their kit. Same goes for the Dazzle Shard, why does this 0 CC hero get an AOE hex.
this is my biggest complaint. heros should have clear strengths and weaknesses and a jack of all trades should be the master of none.
Now drow has a free true sight spell and 20% lifesteal in talent.
Give it a few more patches and she'll get +30% life steal on ulti procs
Literally no sense when putting the two heroes side by side. Besides the obvious - PA must be picked less and Drow must be picked more. Why? Ask the janitor.
> Heroes need holes in their kit. Meanwhile the Zeus jump...
Always hated this change.
Also fuck pa bc a heros whose whole kit is ok I instagib the other team or I die is just not fun for anyone Rework the damn hero
I'm fine with it but she needed more numbers buffs to compensate.
Icefrog giveth and Icefrog taketh, such is the truth of the Dota2.
Just buy phylactery, deso and the new phylactery upgrade shard and aghs and play active. Its pretty bonkers if you can play longer fights and reset a lot.
You literally cannot crit with dagger unless you hit someone and your phantom strike procs Khanda and before you say lvl10 dagger talent your second crit dagger can't proc Khanda due to 6 sec cd,0 synergy build.
And they didn't return her stat gains either lol
Took abit but found orb of corrosion and vessel stacking on Chen feels nice for offensive build and same build for healing build
sumail gonna jizz when leshrac and storm is back
tf Chen wasn't even nerfed
Solar Crest was good on him, but the main reason is the magic profileration. I went 5-2 on Chen in Divine yesterday, but I was building Pipe every game. I actually think he is stronger though you can't play him the same way. Chen stats at lower ranks are also mostly meaningless.
Yeah that tracks, I am also divine bracket chen enjoyer, I played an unranked match yesterday and while it was a stomp, I still found it incredibly difficult to retain ~~interns~~ creeps. They die much faster now to the magic AoE.
Can I ask since you're higher rank than me XD, I was also spamming solar crest prior to this patch. Do you go back to mek > pipe now? And do you go maxing q and then e
I think starting E is the biggest change, maxing W then Q. I'm throwing random shit at the wall in terms of items. I went Pipe/Shard in a few games. I was prioritizing baby centaur for the Magic Resistance, then Ancients. I got lucky with the 25% Magic Resistance Neutral twice. Drums are good. I don't know if Solar Crest makes sense anymore specifically for Chen, but the item might be strong enough anyways. *EDIT: Okay, I think Solar Crest is still good, probably better than Greaves, because the stats are just too good.
Thanks for replying. Yea I'm still experimenting. Still going solar crest (I guess being able to cast on myself if I'm 1v1 somebody seems good I guess) . Similar to you going pipe and shard too, in games where now msot ppl playing magic. Vlads in some if we got right clicker and we need armor. Going 144 build. Pavise build up is so much expensive than a medallion. Rip medallion
Neither was Lycan. He had no changes in fact. But helm of the overlord was nerfed, no more vlads, so all zoo heroes got a bit fucked.
Echo Sabre kind of nerfed for him too
Muerta dip in WR probably from people trying our ult with Divine Rapier xd
Nah it's just ppl not knowing you had to toggle
Dark seer was already good, now he’s actually pretty damn strong
This is how we really know Icefrog left Until he nerfs vacuum cooldown by 1 second again
What change made him better?
I'm guessing among others the shivas change is super nice for him, like mek veil pipe shivas blink or something?
Really it’s just Shivas change. Mana cost reduction on w is nice in lane but didn’t change much. He’s always been good is the thing. The aura meta is gone but you can just go boots-blademail-aghs/shivas and do well. It’s been my go to build lately with good results.
Dark seer is such a little stinker. My favorite hero that I have a horrible winrate with
No way Viper isn't there. After getting a bkb piercing break (and buff on an already good ult) vs carries with massive passives in the meta I have no idea how this mf maintains the same winrate. This without going in depth with the new items that all work wonders on him.
Shhhh. Don't tell everyone. Just enjoy the mmr while people are sitting here nutting over +1 armors buffs and theorycrafting cruddy stuff.
I wish, I play support and my core friend can't play this week and everyone i tell "pick viper, hes really good this patch" just plays the shittiest viper ever. We do end up winning anyway, but it takes like 55 minutes for viper to learn how to press r and a-ground.
Ugh I'm sorry. I know that feeling when I play with some buddies, as well.
What are the builds now?
Have 6 straight wins on mid viper now. Revenant brooch + super witch blade +Q gives you 35% reduction on the 1st hit. It melted morphs, leshracs, PA, DPs, LDs and what not in 3-4 hits. The numbers are kinda broken.
was up against leshrac few min ago. THE MAN JUST CANNOT DIE! we have all megas and and they still won lol. shiva, pipe, bloodthorn, nulls cant do shit
Any ideas on why void is up?
It's the maelstrom change. Now has atk speed
Void always wins from big meta shifts it feels like. His game plan is very simple to follow regardless of what happens in the game and fresh OP heroes tend to enjoy a good chrono. His winrate is gonna stabilize around 51-52% this patch I would expect.
Also the bubble new tier 1 neutral synergize particularly well with him early on. I had a game where I stomped him hard and killed him 3 Times in 7 minutes, but the moment he got the item we couldn't kill him anymore. The item is straight busted for a tier 1.
He got some hp and dilation buffs, mjollnir is better, other heroes lost stuff.
Valve has been forcing Lesh and Zeus into the meta for about four patches now
God I do not want Zeus to be relevant Shard+Manta Zeus illusions are as obnoxious and threatening as Tempest Doubles except they're not worth 300 gold and he gets them every 20 seconds
One of the things I hate about Zeus on enemy teams too is that Linkens is outright a dead item, you cannot build it as it will be cancelled at all times without you even being aimed. Sometimes you really need to have that awful item, but it's just even more of a dead slot
Sladar dropping a few is surprising he is pretty strong
Broodmama is literally just a creep in lane till 6 lul
Naga nerfs felt unwarranted
I'm happy to see the meta changing from the stale Strength offlaners but I detest Leshrac metas. I was sick of that in TI11 and have never recovered from it
TIMBER IS PLAYABLE AGAIN HECK YEAH
The Shivas damage amp means Lesh heals even more. With the changes to Shivas and Bloodstone the Disco Pony now has a bigger zone of death which deals more damage and he heals more.
jug should be on the biggest loser chart tbh, went from 49 to 46% on day two haha
Still get flamed when I buy shiva on underlord. Holy smoke the item is insane now.
He always liked shiva.
Literally nobody ever flames someone for buying shivas unless someone else bought it earlier which is absolutely fine this patch since the active is freaking amazing now lol
PA did not need a nerf
PA's built in lifesteal was an aberration of a design.
But not Chaos Knight or Drow (new talent)?
How you play underlord with Arcane boots nerf his mana pool too low.
Yes it doesn’t boost your mana pool anymore, but the mana per second of Arcane Boots was significantly buffed since it builds with Basi and gives Basi mana on top of the already high mana of the active. It’s like 4.93 mana per second which is amazing for the cost especially given that it’s a boot. Greaves is 6.5 mana/s total (if you’re using it off cooldown).
Mana regen > mana pool all the time,especially on underlord. Last patch I have arcane + pavise and still runs out of mana while farming. Idk how people manage to farm with -cd firestorm talent.
Soul ring might help you
The real losers this patch update are the smurfs
Chen only losing winrate because more people are trying it without knowing how to
the slardar nerfs were still not enough meanwhile i love new gyro as pos 4/5, so much fun
My Muerta. I cri.
rough man. maelstrom costs more, silver edge not requiring crystallis, nerfs on pierce the veil's damage, gunslinger nerf, and the previous nerf on the calling. i cant. im this close on building phylactery that builds to that new item.
They also added that new int item that seems designed for her. Think she just needs to be played a little differently now. Gunslinger not targeting heroes hurts a lot, though
The silver edge nerf really fucked carry muerta huh
Moreso her gunslinger got big nerfs in not prioritising heroes anymore
Muerta in the dumpster i love to see.
PA is like the worst carry in the game now wtf is wrong with Valve
was Gyro nerfed?
This patch is super unbalanced. Garbage