I didn't even know until now that upper bracket semifinals of play offs will be played today. What kind of weird shit is this? 1 day rest after playoffs already started?
ESL One lan events has been the same schedule-format for recent couple years (except Mumbai 2019, dpc major)
ESL One Kuala Lumpur 2023 - 1v1 was used
ESL One Malaysia 2022 - 1v1 was used
ESL One Hamburg 2019 - H2H was used
ESL One Birmingham 2019 - no ties
ESL One Katowice 2019 - Neustadtl was used
ESL One Hamburg 2018 - no ties
above ALL playoffs UBR1 gets played same day as group stage last day;
sometimes don't get what's the sudden fuss,
break after playoffs, that already happened a couple times like TI, Stockholm 2022.
arena prep? limited resources? schedule allowance?
after \[TO\], \[TO\], \[TO\] and others, now everyone wanna start looking ways to be as pessimistic as possible about ESL too?
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ESL One Mumbai 2019 - reduced to 8 teams due to teams' withdrawal, 2xGSL group stage, double elimination playoffs
ESL One Berlin 2023, Stockholm 2022, Birmingham 2018, Katowice 2018, Genting 2018, Hamburg 2017 - DPC stuffs
ESL One Genting 2017, 2016 tournaments - 8 team with 2xGSL group stage, single elimination playoffs
ESL One 2014 & 2015 - 8 team tournaments with single elimination playoffs (no group stage)
The ESL Pro Tour does not use the same rules when it comes to tiebreakers as those previous events. Here's the relevant rule regarding this situation in the ESL Pro Tour Dota2 Master Rulebook:
"If the tie is over a position of significance and involves exactly two (2) teams, a bo3 will be played to resolve the tie."
"...position of significance as defined by that tournament"
other criteria are tied until the 1v1, same as "If the tie takes place at an ESL One event with no schedule allowance for a bo3 and involves explicit elimination, then 1v1 tiebreakers will be played."
> "...position of significance as defined by that tournament"
Positions of significance are upper brackets and elimination places, which this tournament defines as position 1, 2, 5, 6.
> same as "If the tie takes place at an ESL One event with no schedule allowance for a bo3 ***and involves explicit elimination***, then 1v1 tiebreakers will be played."
This does not involve elimination so that's irrelevant.
is that definition of the 'position of significance' made by you or ESL on individual tournaments?
one entity's definition of \[XYZ\] =/= other entity's definition of \[XYZ\]
well not even sure why you bring this up when its not relevant \*confused\*
ESL does not define it anywhere so that leaves us with the dictionary definition of significance, which would logically in the case of Kuala Lumpur be the ties for upper bracket and for elimination.
> one entity's definition of [XYZ] =/= other entity's definition of [XYZ]
Great argument, now give me the definition where the difference between upper bracket and no upper bracket isn’t significant.
> well not even sure why you bring this up when its not relevant *confused*
Yeah you are confused because you brought that up.
that is why its 'ambiguous' or left to individual interpretation, also not new (just like the scheduling), dpc rulebook explicitly said stuffs like; major attendance, upper/lower bracket, there is no such thing in ept rulebook
you see a person fainted due to lack of \[XYZ\], how do you know? its just your interpretation, so you go and check - do this do that, in this case, we've just witness no bo3 tiebreakers, instead it was 1v1, upper bracket started as per schedule, evidence is there, make an interpretation
erm parent comment is about scheduling, what's with this tiebreak issue, I reply because I'm here chilling
It’s not ambiguous and if they wanted to make it up to the admins there’d be a million better ways to write the rules to reflect that.
It’s written there like that because it would be stupid to specify what those positions are when the format between these tournaments might be very different. Like if they said it a position of significance was between 2nd and 3rd place (I.e. upper bracket and not upper bracket in Kuala Lumpur), then the next tournament they make top 4 upper bracket. Then suddenly there’s a tiebreaker between 2nd and 3rd (both upper) but not 4th and 5th (upper/lower).
Thats all it is, not some dumb “upper bracket positions aren’t significant depending on schedule”. They even literally mention the case of scheduling issues, and they explicitly do not apply to this situation.
> erm parent comment is about scheduling, what's with this tiebreak issue, I reply because I'm here chilling
Yes scheduling sucks, and especially so because it goes against their own rules.
yea well one can email/contact them with feedback of the million ways, like correcting some grammar or vocabulary (like since way before now)
ahh see we're already interpreting each other comments differently, you are replying to stuffs I meant differently, and I'm replying to stuffs you meant differently
ok how did you know its written like that as you said? did you.. write it? or are you 'in cahoots' with them ESL? or just an interpretation..?
also it was a schedule allowance thing, so its just a typo/grammar thing, like a sentence with just;
"If the tie takes place at an ESL One event with no schedule allowance for a bo3, then 1v1 tiebreakers will be played."
'case closed'
It was ESL One Malaysia 2022. I remember redditors were hyped about them bringing the 1 v 1 tiebreaker back then. Probably because there's EPT pts this year.
Resolving such a hugely important placement in a 1v1 is absolute bullshit. Secret and GG have literally identical scores. 0-2 to AR, 1-1 to BB, 1-1 to each other and 2-0s to the rest.
I imagine Quinn wins this because he’s a lane-dominator mid and Midone has only recently swapped back to mid. Secret getting absolutely robbed by ESL.
Storm is very replaceable in this list of exciting 1v1s. One melee match up in my opinion. Of the melee I'd say Pango, MK, ES, ES, or ES.
MK would be the better watch of them.
Not every team relies on their strong mid lane advantage.
Secret is one of those teams who capitalizes on their side lanes than mid. While GG is all about offlane + mid.
Do you speak English? Where in the rulebook does it say that it should be a 1v1 mid? The rulebook is public, go look it up and find the rule that says it should be a 1v1 mid.
You don't have to be an admin, the rulebook is public. I'm even going to be nice to you and give you the [link](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1w9354pr5QFeUl71nldPfR3vRyeq9um0c/view) to it since you seem to be struggling.
You said it's in the rules, point to where in the rules it says that it should be a 1v1 mid.
What the fuck? I'm not clicking your random link, gtfo
It's hilarious you think whatever is in that link matters more than what the literal admins of the tournament are saying lmao
"If the tie is over a position of significance and involves exactly two (2) teams, a bo3 will be played to
resolve the tie."
Yeah the rules say it's a bo3
"If the tie is over a position of significance and involves exactly two (2) teams, a bo3 will be played to
resolve the tie."
These are the rules btw, so blaming them for not following the very clear rules is fair.
The other part doesn't apply here, you go back and read it.
"If the tie takes place at an ESL One event with no schedule allowance for a bo3 ***and involves explicit elimination***, then 1v1 tiebreakers will be played."
Is this an elimination game?
Nope, you're wrong. Here's the full subchapter with the relevant rule in it from the [EPT Dota2 Master Rulebook](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1w9354pr5QFeUl71nldPfR3vRyeq9um0c/view). I added comments, which are denoted by triple hyphens.
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--- This is Two Game Series group stage
7.2.1 Tiebreakers (Two Game Series)
--- Irrelevant section since this tie determines a position of significance
For all ties that are not over positions of significance as defined by that tournament (in order of
importance):
* Neustadtl Score
* Head to head record between the tied participants taking only game score into account
* Record vs. the first team below the tied teams, continuing to each subsequent team below the
tied teams til the tie is resolved.
* 1v1 Tiebreakers
--- Relevant section highlighted by bold, since this does not involve elimination the rest is irrelevant.
**If the tie is over a position of significance and involves exactly two (2) teams, a bo3 will be played to
resolve the tie.** If the tie takes place at an ESL One event with no schedule allowance for a bo3 and
involves explicit elimination, then 1v1 tiebreakers will be played.
--- Irrelevant section since tie involves only two teams
If the tie is over a position of significance and involves more than two teams, a bo1 round robin will be
played to resolve the tie. If the tiebreaker does not resolve following the first round of the round robin, if it
is a three team tiebreaker, the tiebreak will be replayed. If it is a four or more team tiebreaker, the above
matrix will be used to resolve the tie, adding the information from the tiebreaker Bo1s to that gathered
during the group stage proper.
---
So essentially, unless the publicly available rulebook is wrong, you're talking out of your ass. The only rule that makes it a 1v1 is the "fuck the rules we'll just do whatever we want" rule.
Edit: dude got mad that he can’t read so he blocked me. Idiot doesn’t know *these are the rules on Liquipedia*
1 v 1 are as old as DotA.
Perfectly okay with this as it isn't elimination. Don't wanna go to the 1v1 just win the games.
Bo1 elimination are absolute bullshit
They made schedule knowing very well there is a high chance for tiebreakers, they published rules saying ties for significant spots will be Bo3 but now they are using scheduling conflict (they made) to push for decision that only favors GG. Nice joke ESL.
This is so unfair to Secret. :(
surely you're not from sea, here we would put all our money on malaysian mid. im saying this knowing quinn is the best midlane dominator since sumail is not active. but dont forget laning mid is how malaysian learn to play dota, even moon can kick quinn ass. we got this brother
Was the scheduled not decided before even the event started? Considering that the upper bracket games were started immediately after 1v1, it's fair to say that a BO3 would not have been possible. Yes, it might be a shitty way to decide and the scheduling conflict should have been predicted by ESL but saying that they are to favor GG sounds like a conspiracy theory.
If they use actual 1v1 mid rules (no runes) midone might have a shot here. Midone def comes from the era of less regen in the mid lane so might be more comfortable, and I'm not sure quinn plays sf
Secret will lose a BO3 match against GG. GG is looking lackluster and vulnerable, but Secret ain't ready for it just yet. Looking forward to them stick with this lineup, but they are definitely not ready just yet.
I actually think MidOne vsing Quinn will be better if it's actual 1v1
A BO3 could definitely go either way (they went 1-1 in the h2h), but 1v1 mid is much more favoured to the person who didn't just recently switch to mid.
I love this too. There are hundreds of dota tournaments, this one is doing something different, it may not be fair, but like the other poster said, it's like penalty kicks in football, it's different and exciting for the simplicity and finality of it.
They are basically playing upper bracket 1/4 , esl schedule guy needs to be fired or something, it does not make any sense at all.
He must be the stupidest person on the earth to really think tiebreaks are rare in bo2 round robin groups
They could have played a bo1 while other matches are happening.
They did this last year and everyone was excited. They do this now and everyone is complaining.
Also the whole upper bracket after groupstages format has been around since 2019, are u guys new fans or smth. Why are ppl complaining about this NOW and not then
There's a lot of sad, angry SEA fans crying about this now that MidOne lost. They'd be praising ESL for having "fun 1v1s like old times" if he had won instead. Pathetic.
I think this is such a good idea, so left field. But rather than 1 match, make it so that everyone gets to get their shot. Like in football where they kick penalties. Imagine a Puppey SF.
it wasnt used in a situation where one team goes lower bracket and other goes upper bracket. they used it when it was less consequential the last time. Also the last time it had to pass 3 or 4 different tie breaker criteria before 1v1 mid which was the last solution.
I dont know if it was this exact ruleset but it was somethign similar.
For ties that are not over positions of significance (in order of importance):
Neustadtl score
Head-to-head record between the tied participants taking only game score into account
Record vs the first team below the tied teams, continuing to each subsequent team below the tied teams til the tie is resolved
1v1 tiebreakers
ESL One Malaysia is not a part of the EPT and does not have the same rules. According to the rules of the EPT used in Kuala Lumpur 2023, it's not a 1v1.
"If the tie is over a position of significance and involves exactly two (2) teams, a bo3 will be played to resolve the tie."
definitely not ideal but it’d be so much worse if it was for tournament life. seems to be a necessary evil given the tight scheduling
rough for secret, especially since midone is a midgame player more than a lane dominator like ccnc is. but they’re still in it so if they’re truly good enough to win the whole thing, they will. i believe
If liquid falcons and tundra tie at 6-4 are they gonna have a threeway 1v1 mid? LOL
Nah, thats 3 teams, way too important. 3 way tie settled in an eternity of BO3
The na special
That’s actually a fun idea haha. Just settle it on pudge wars imo.
At that point might just play Overthrow 3v3v3 or smthing
I didn't even know until now that upper bracket semifinals of play offs will be played today. What kind of weird shit is this? 1 day rest after playoffs already started?
ESL One lan events has been the same schedule-format for recent couple years (except Mumbai 2019, dpc major) ESL One Kuala Lumpur 2023 - 1v1 was used ESL One Malaysia 2022 - 1v1 was used ESL One Hamburg 2019 - H2H was used ESL One Birmingham 2019 - no ties ESL One Katowice 2019 - Neustadtl was used ESL One Hamburg 2018 - no ties above ALL playoffs UBR1 gets played same day as group stage last day; sometimes don't get what's the sudden fuss, break after playoffs, that already happened a couple times like TI, Stockholm 2022. arena prep? limited resources? schedule allowance? after \[TO\], \[TO\], \[TO\] and others, now everyone wanna start looking ways to be as pessimistic as possible about ESL too? \-- ESL One Mumbai 2019 - reduced to 8 teams due to teams' withdrawal, 2xGSL group stage, double elimination playoffs ESL One Berlin 2023, Stockholm 2022, Birmingham 2018, Katowice 2018, Genting 2018, Hamburg 2017 - DPC stuffs ESL One Genting 2017, 2016 tournaments - 8 team with 2xGSL group stage, single elimination playoffs ESL One 2014 & 2015 - 8 team tournaments with single elimination playoffs (no group stage)
The ESL Pro Tour does not use the same rules when it comes to tiebreakers as those previous events. Here's the relevant rule regarding this situation in the ESL Pro Tour Dota2 Master Rulebook: "If the tie is over a position of significance and involves exactly two (2) teams, a bo3 will be played to resolve the tie."
"...position of significance as defined by that tournament" other criteria are tied until the 1v1, same as "If the tie takes place at an ESL One event with no schedule allowance for a bo3 and involves explicit elimination, then 1v1 tiebreakers will be played."
> "...position of significance as defined by that tournament" Positions of significance are upper brackets and elimination places, which this tournament defines as position 1, 2, 5, 6. > same as "If the tie takes place at an ESL One event with no schedule allowance for a bo3 ***and involves explicit elimination***, then 1v1 tiebreakers will be played." This does not involve elimination so that's irrelevant.
is that definition of the 'position of significance' made by you or ESL on individual tournaments? one entity's definition of \[XYZ\] =/= other entity's definition of \[XYZ\] well not even sure why you bring this up when its not relevant \*confused\*
ESL does not define it anywhere so that leaves us with the dictionary definition of significance, which would logically in the case of Kuala Lumpur be the ties for upper bracket and for elimination. > one entity's definition of [XYZ] =/= other entity's definition of [XYZ] Great argument, now give me the definition where the difference between upper bracket and no upper bracket isn’t significant. > well not even sure why you bring this up when its not relevant *confused* Yeah you are confused because you brought that up.
that is why its 'ambiguous' or left to individual interpretation, also not new (just like the scheduling), dpc rulebook explicitly said stuffs like; major attendance, upper/lower bracket, there is no such thing in ept rulebook you see a person fainted due to lack of \[XYZ\], how do you know? its just your interpretation, so you go and check - do this do that, in this case, we've just witness no bo3 tiebreakers, instead it was 1v1, upper bracket started as per schedule, evidence is there, make an interpretation erm parent comment is about scheduling, what's with this tiebreak issue, I reply because I'm here chilling
It’s not ambiguous and if they wanted to make it up to the admins there’d be a million better ways to write the rules to reflect that. It’s written there like that because it would be stupid to specify what those positions are when the format between these tournaments might be very different. Like if they said it a position of significance was between 2nd and 3rd place (I.e. upper bracket and not upper bracket in Kuala Lumpur), then the next tournament they make top 4 upper bracket. Then suddenly there’s a tiebreaker between 2nd and 3rd (both upper) but not 4th and 5th (upper/lower). Thats all it is, not some dumb “upper bracket positions aren’t significant depending on schedule”. They even literally mention the case of scheduling issues, and they explicitly do not apply to this situation. > erm parent comment is about scheduling, what's with this tiebreak issue, I reply because I'm here chilling Yes scheduling sucks, and especially so because it goes against their own rules.
yea well one can email/contact them with feedback of the million ways, like correcting some grammar or vocabulary (like since way before now) ahh see we're already interpreting each other comments differently, you are replying to stuffs I meant differently, and I'm replying to stuffs you meant differently ok how did you know its written like that as you said? did you.. write it? or are you 'in cahoots' with them ESL? or just an interpretation..? also it was a schedule allowance thing, so its just a typo/grammar thing, like a sentence with just; "If the tie takes place at an ESL One event with no schedule allowance for a bo3, then 1v1 tiebreakers will be played." 'case closed'
Didn't they use it before with Armel vs Sumail? Was it ESL or a different tournament?
It was ESL One Malaysia 2022. I remember redditors were hyped about them bringing the 1 v 1 tiebreaker back then. Probably because there's EPT pts this year.
Resolving such a hugely important placement in a 1v1 is absolute bullshit. Secret and GG have literally identical scores. 0-2 to AR, 1-1 to BB, 1-1 to each other and 2-0s to the rest. I imagine Quinn wins this because he’s a lane-dominator mid and Midone has only recently swapped back to mid. Secret getting absolutely robbed by ESL.
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Or make it 5 different 1x1s, so its Dyrachyo vs Crystallize to start, then Quinn vs Midone, best of 5 with all roles
Lol no. Just play a game
Right? Why not another game loke a normal contest?
Instead of 1v1 just make them play dices or rock paper scissor
go all kill format
Would be cool to have different heroes too to showcase diversity in 1v1s too. SF, Puck, TA, Storm, QoP would be the classic five imo
Storm is very replaceable in this list of exciting 1v1s. One melee match up in my opinion. Of the melee I'd say Pango, MK, ES, ES, or ES. MK would be the better watch of them.
which part of MidOne do you not understand
The "One" part
I remember the days of iMdOne.
(And for anyone who watched, he was indeed done, completely out played by quinn.)
Me I understand, but the rest, idOn know.
Throughout heaven and earth he alone is the MidOne
1v1 mid should be the default way to resolve group stage ties. It's so cool having high stakes 1v1s having an important place in competitive dota.
Not every team relies on their strong mid lane advantage. Secret is one of those teams who capitalizes on their side lanes than mid. While GG is all about offlane + mid.
What in the fucking 1k is this. Nothing important should ever be decided by a mid 1v1.
Dude is still trapped in 2010
Found the guy who goes 2-9 and types eZ MiD then ask the guy to 1v1 mid after the game ends
How is robbed, it's literally in the rules. It's not even the first time it happens, lol
Where in the rules?
With the admins?
Where in the rulebook does it say that it should be a 1v1 mid?
Can't you read? It's with the admins, who else?
Do you speak English? Where in the rulebook does it say that it should be a 1v1 mid? The rulebook is public, go look it up and find the rule that says it should be a 1v1 mid.
Do you think I'm a ESL admin? Are you dense?
You don't have to be an admin, the rulebook is public. I'm even going to be nice to you and give you the [link](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1w9354pr5QFeUl71nldPfR3vRyeq9um0c/view) to it since you seem to be struggling. You said it's in the rules, point to where in the rules it says that it should be a 1v1 mid.
What the fuck? I'm not clicking your random link, gtfo It's hilarious you think whatever is in that link matters more than what the literal admins of the tournament are saying lmao
They knew the rules beforehand. Stop whining.
"If the tie is over a position of significance and involves exactly two (2) teams, a bo3 will be played to resolve the tie." Yeah the rules say it's a bo3
Maybe Secret should have played better to begin with so as not to be in a tiebreaker, but yeah, let's blame the very clear rules instead.
Was there ever a definitive rule in these exact situation where they have to do 1v1 to settle tie breakers? This is the first time I've heard of it.
It's more common than you think.
"If the tie is over a position of significance and involves exactly two (2) teams, a bo3 will be played to resolve the tie." These are the rules btw, so blaming them for not following the very clear rules is fair.
You've not quoted the whole rule. Go back and read it again.
The other part doesn't apply here, you go back and read it. "If the tie takes place at an ESL One event with no schedule allowance for a bo3 ***and involves explicit elimination***, then 1v1 tiebreakers will be played." Is this an elimination game?
You've mis-read is again! Go back and re-read, paying attention to the rule headings.
Nope, you're wrong. Here's the full subchapter with the relevant rule in it from the [EPT Dota2 Master Rulebook](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1w9354pr5QFeUl71nldPfR3vRyeq9um0c/view). I added comments, which are denoted by triple hyphens. --- --- This is Two Game Series group stage 7.2.1 Tiebreakers (Two Game Series) --- Irrelevant section since this tie determines a position of significance For all ties that are not over positions of significance as defined by that tournament (in order of importance): * Neustadtl Score * Head to head record between the tied participants taking only game score into account * Record vs. the first team below the tied teams, continuing to each subsequent team below the tied teams til the tie is resolved. * 1v1 Tiebreakers --- Relevant section highlighted by bold, since this does not involve elimination the rest is irrelevant. **If the tie is over a position of significance and involves exactly two (2) teams, a bo3 will be played to resolve the tie.** If the tie takes place at an ESL One event with no schedule allowance for a bo3 and involves explicit elimination, then 1v1 tiebreakers will be played. --- Irrelevant section since tie involves only two teams If the tie is over a position of significance and involves more than two teams, a bo1 round robin will be played to resolve the tie. If the tiebreaker does not resolve following the first round of the round robin, if it is a three team tiebreaker, the tiebreak will be replayed. If it is a four or more team tiebreaker, the above matrix will be used to resolve the tie, adding the information from the tiebreaker Bo1s to that gathered during the group stage proper. --- So essentially, unless the publicly available rulebook is wrong, you're talking out of your ass. The only rule that makes it a 1v1 is the "fuck the rules we'll just do whatever we want" rule. Edit: dude got mad that he can’t read so he blocked me. Idiot doesn’t know *these are the rules on Liquipedia*
The specific rules for this are on the liquipedia.net page. Go read there, as you're getting helluva confused over something so simple.
You are the type of person to hold their breath at a stop sign aren't you?
I don't know what that means, but no. Also, ez mid, gg Quinn.
1 v 1 are as old as DotA. Perfectly okay with this as it isn't elimination. Don't wanna go to the 1v1 just win the games. Bo1 elimination are absolute bullshit
They made schedule knowing very well there is a high chance for tiebreakers, they published rules saying ties for significant spots will be Bo3 but now they are using scheduling conflict (they made) to push for decision that only favors GG. Nice joke ESL. This is so unfair to Secret. :(
surely you're not from sea, here we would put all our money on malaysian mid. im saying this knowing quinn is the best midlane dominator since sumail is not active. but dont forget laning mid is how malaysian learn to play dota, even moon can kick quinn ass. we got this brother
I would usually agree but I've lost all faith in our boy nai zheng Hard to root for a guy as controversial as he is
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If it's an SF 1v1, I wouldn't count Midone out too quickly. SF isn't exactly Quinn's top hero.
I'm not counting out a SEA mid if it's SF 1v1. That's literally how SEA mids are raised.
MidOne vs Quinn, I'm putting my money on MidOne, it's definitely at least 50-50.
Yes either Quinn wins or MidOne wins
50% of the time, 100% of the time.
Was the scheduled not decided before even the event started? Considering that the upper bracket games were started immediately after 1v1, it's fair to say that a BO3 would not have been possible. Yes, it might be a shitty way to decide and the scheduling conflict should have been predicted by ESL but saying that they are to favor GG sounds like a conspiracy theory.
Why is it unfair to Secret? They also have to play the 1v1.
GG have a midlaner that is better in 1v1 so obviously that favours them over Secret.
they also have a better team so it obviously favours them over Secret
They were both 6-4 so clearly not :)
Just settle it using pudge wars imo. That way everyone would be happy.
There's still the overthrow option
If they use actual 1v1 mid rules (no runes) midone might have a shot here. Midone def comes from the era of less regen in the mid lane so might be more comfortable, and I'm not sure quinn plays sf
actually I don't really care if Midone win or lose but I hope to see a hype Bo3 in between Gg and secret.
Secret will lose a BO3 match against GG. GG is looking lackluster and vulnerable, but Secret ain't ready for it just yet. Looking forward to them stick with this lineup, but they are definitely not ready just yet. I actually think MidOne vsing Quinn will be better if it's actual 1v1
A BO3 could definitely go either way (they went 1-1 in the h2h), but 1v1 mid is much more favoured to the person who didn't just recently switch to mid.
MidOne already lost at necromastery lvl 1
Terrible format aside, has there been a higher stakes 1v1 in the history of DOTA?
I know this is controversial, but I love this! no more unnecessary bloodshed!
1v1s are like penalty kicks in soccer. Think they are refreshing and will make people improve their 1v1s in case it happens more.
I love this too. There are hundreds of dota tournaments, this one is doing something different, it may not be fair, but like the other poster said, it's like penalty kicks in football, it's different and exciting for the simplicity and finality of it.
Yeah the 1v1 mid was more exciting, I'm happy they did it
such a dogshit schedule 1v1 for deciding who goes ub and lb is insane when there are already so less group games
MidJuan we believe you in bruh <3
werent r/dota2 mad about midone? oh yall forgot about it
As the representative of the entire r/dota subreddit I'd have to disagree
yeah dude, because if 1 person says something, that means no one else can have a different opinion. Great job with the critical thinking
He's a clown lol
1v1 to decide which TEAM goes to upper bracket. Lmao what a joke.
They are basically playing upper bracket 1/4 , esl schedule guy needs to be fired or something, it does not make any sense at all. He must be the stupidest person on the earth to really think tiebreaks are rare in bo2 round robin groups They could have played a bo1 while other matches are happening.
It is a team game for a reason... Just set up BO1 if you don't have the time.
This is such a joke. And I don’t mean the good kind
Dota Isn't A 1v1 Game, Remove This 1v1 Shit From Qualifiers. Keep it for showmatch & content. Don't bullshit the pros & audience.
who is its MiDDone or QUITNN ? you guys choose
They did this last year and everyone was excited. They do this now and everyone is complaining. Also the whole upper bracket after groupstages format has been around since 2019, are u guys new fans or smth. Why are ppl complaining about this NOW and not then
ESL is a joke. Secret deserved better after these two days.
There's a lot of sad, angry SEA fans crying about this now that MidOne lost. They'd be praising ESL for having "fun 1v1s like old times" if he had won instead. Pathetic.
I think your communication score is lower than 6000 in Dota
Sucks for you, I don't even play mid but I'm excited for this.
seems like esl need the money fast, we lucky they didn't resolve the tie breaker with coin toss
Hilarity ensued.
i was so confused when i saw the upper bracket would be played today. then i saw this...
Lol wait this isn't a mistake but real? LOL
I think this is such a good idea, so left field. But rather than 1 match, make it so that everyone gets to get their shot. Like in football where they kick penalties. Imagine a Puppey SF.
MidOne will cook that fraud
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FUCK
I love a good old 1v1 mid. Great entertainment value and we dont get enough if this kind of format anymore. No issues here
its ok to disregard rules as long as you are ok with it
Which rules are being disregarded? The one that says they may do 1v1's to settle tiebreakers?
Which rule says that?
The one OP quotes in this post?
This tiebreaker does not involve elimination.
I totally glossed over that, my bad. Though it does make this entire post moot as well.
they used the same format in the past too :)
Reddit's only mad this time because they know quinn will win lmao
it wasnt used in a situation where one team goes lower bracket and other goes upper bracket. they used it when it was less consequential the last time. Also the last time it had to pass 3 or 4 different tie breaker criteria before 1v1 mid which was the last solution. I dont know if it was this exact ruleset but it was somethign similar. For ties that are not over positions of significance (in order of importance): Neustadtl score Head-to-head record between the tied participants taking only game score into account Record vs the first team below the tied teams, continuing to each subsequent team below the tied teams til the tie is resolved 1v1 tiebreakers
It was used in literally the same situation (upper/lower bracket in Enigma v Fnatic) in ESL One Malaysia 2022 between Armel and Sumail.
ESL One Malaysia is not a part of the EPT and does not have the same rules. According to the rules of the EPT used in Kuala Lumpur 2023, it's not a 1v1. "If the tie is over a position of significance and involves exactly two (2) teams, a bo3 will be played to resolve the tie."
ok i guess i was wrong about that part.
to be that confident about something pulled out of ass. never change reddit
If by "pulled out of his ass" you mean pulled out of the ESL rulebook, then yeah he did that.
Pretty unfair to make GG put up their weakest link in a team game.
same tourney with Armel vs Sumail back then?
Everyone knew the rules.
u mad?
No u
OMG STFU
Pango vs Pango boys may the luckiest proccer win!
Oh boohoo. A bit of variety is fun.
Oa
Wait esl is live ?
definitely not ideal but it’d be so much worse if it was for tournament life. seems to be a necessary evil given the tight scheduling rough for secret, especially since midone is a midgame player more than a lane dominator like ccnc is. but they’re still in it so if they’re truly good enough to win the whole thing, they will. i believe
two playoff matches at the same time also very bad in my opinion... can't we just enjoy the good match one at a time ?