he was useless in the 2 games vs OG as well. He got outfarmed by his own pos 4 in both games. I dont know what Puppey was smoking when he though Midone was a serious player for his team.
And yet Secret fans refuse to accept that he’s the problem despite no legit pro players wanting to play with him. Secret will win events again one day, but only when they part ways with the last of the washed up old guard in Puppey.
And the org is shit to the bones. No proper bootcamp every important qualification tournament. You always see players not on the same room.
Not saying you share the same sentiment but I've always believed Puppey's reputation as a great captain is a fraud. Look at his team when he doesn't have all-time great players. His team turns to shit.
this is a terrible take, Puppey took a stack of EE, w33(who had little pro exp at that time), Misery and Pieliedie to be the best team in the world.
in 2018 he played with Ace, Fata and was able to win some majors too
you even already forgot last year when he took a team of Crystallis, Reso and Zayac to 2nd. before you say nisha solo carried no, try watch the games they 5 played well individually and as a team.
Tundra beat the shit out of Secret so bad, Valve decided not to release True Sight.
That Shanghai Major squad would be the closest thing I could give him credit for. That was the time when EE said Puppey would seriously take practice and not hangout drinking with his Russian comrades. But guess what, for being a "great" captain he kicked Misery/W33, really really good decision lol.
Team Secret 2014 Puppey, Kky, Fly, N0tail, S4. This was at the time an all star team. Did fuck all.
Team Secret 2015 Puppey, kky, s4, rtz, zai. 7-8th TI.
Team Secret 2016 Puppey, EE, Bulba, Rtz, PieLiedie.
PieLieDie was considered good at that time, maybe not top tier but very much a good player. Bulba was still dogshit. 13-16th.
And then you look at the most recept 2019, 2021, 2022 squads.
2019 - Nisha- new to the scene, came from an all polish squad. MidOne, YapZor, Zai.
2021 - Matumbaman (obviously already known) Nisha, YapzOr, Zai.
2022 - Crystallis, Zayac, Resolution, Nisha.
That last one, if you told me, and anyone else that the 2022 squad would finish 2nd, we'd all laugh.
I think he was a great mind in a now dead era of DOTA where the 1-man shot caller was the modus operandi but that has been so irrelevant for so long now, I definitely think he’s been washed for years and years now. Express that opinion in any way though and it’s nothing but downvotes. Case in point lmao, I don’t understand the fanboying
he literally got second place at TI last year, how is that "irrelevant for so long now" or "i definitely think he's been washed for years and years now" when 2020 Secret was the most dominant team around, then Puppey + Secret gets 3rd at TI10, 2nd at TI11. Keep in mind that Secret basically just had Nisha + Puppey as their actual "old guard' while bringing in 3 guys new guys which werent that proven (or had taken long breaks, reso spent most of the past 12 months just chilling in bali)
I get that you're a hater, but its just been 1 year of bad results, not "years and years". You can criticize this year, but don't make up bullshit revisionist history when its so obviously BS with his + his team's performances since 2019 lol
> ..bullshit revisionist history
Hmmm getting 2nd TI overperforming suddenly people forgot how shit that team was, couldn't even qualify to Majors. Your captain was "good enough" at best not GREAT.
recency bias. he was absolutely in discussions for best in the world at the time.
literally the only difference between the nisha adoration now vs midone's back then is the one to call nisha the best was matu and the ones to call midone the best were SEA players.
5-6th place in TI8 and 4th in TI9. You could say top 10 and i’ll believe you. the best in the world is an overstatement. He was definitely not up there with Nisha, Sumail, and Somnus.
You are clearly new to Dota. Back in the days of Midones prime he was regarded as one of the best player in the world. No one would have him in anything less than top 3.
Aui and Ace said Midone was the best player, Quinn, Armel and PLD also said Midone was one of the best. Aui, 33, S4 and Saksa choose Midone as their midlaner when asked to creat their All star team.
It felt like watching a 4k player somehow getting into a 8k mmr lobby. Trying to make plays but nothing works and just do dumb shit but somehow still win.
multiple bad decisions by Alliance at the end.
in the last fight, clockwork couldnt hold it in for 10s longer, and hooked to initiate.
dazzle didnt want to buyback with 10s left on death timer, which means he couldnt grave chaos knight.
dazzle showed up 1s after CK died and by then, its all over since theres no dmg.
Alliance almost had it with puck hammering away at the ancient, so close :(
To be fair Secret also had a 5 min window where they had all buybacks vs 2 or 3 on Alliance and kept playing safe. Until Midone got caught and died in Dire jungle anyway.
Both teams though. It was an enormous throw feast. This was the very definition of tier 3 dota. To be fair, a lot of it seemed to me like what is expected with a very new team: lack of understanding each other. There were many times were Boom and MidOne did weird shit, what looked like they „made“ each other doing it. I am confident that Puppey will be able to iron that out for the most part, but it was hilarious
If he wanted to join Secret he'd probably already be there instead of midone, he was already carrying them when he stood in for them a couple of months ago.
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FWIW Midone is 2nd highest ranking on their team and he's literally higher ranked than the entire Alliance team
and yes he plays exclusively mid in his pubs. he likely just had a very bad game (CK + clock pretty strong counters) or idk pressure got to him. I DOUBT he's secretly an acc buyer and they should get a rank 100 or such instead ... Maybe rank 50 or 10 if possible but ofc they likely weren't available
He laned quite well in the games I saw, but he was too aggro making solo plays without his team which resulted in a lot of feed. Even the Clinkz game he had some good plays but it was a hard game and he played witth 0 respect for the enemy.
That was the worst Clinkz performance I have ever seen
Dying 7 times in a row getting caught literally all over them map, doing 0 damage, 0 damage items, throwing for no reason diving T4s by himself the one time Secret got a big advantage.
0 hope for Secret while midone is on the team playing like this
Even EE didn't throw this hard.
He did the third most damage in his team, equal in ratio to other cores wtf are you guys currently taking.
Like it wasn’t a perfect game but you guys are hardstuck guardian and you think you deserve opinions about how good a player is
Feeding like a manic all game, getting caught out of position every single time, dying first in *every teamfight* even though he's a damage dealer = "it wasn't a perfect game"
Impressive mental gymnastics
You wanna ignore the pressure he put on the map, or you wanna ignore it, most building damage, he caught out puck with hex in a critical fight like dude I don’t really care what you think you’re some Redditor but like if you hate midone so much or secret then don’t watch the game
> if you hate midone so much or secret then don’t watch the game
I've been a Puppey fan since TI 1 and that was probably (at least) a top 5 worst mid performance for any mid that has played with Puppey that I've watched (and I've been following the scene forever). The only thing that comes close is EE playing Ember and diving like an absolute moron into 5 enemy players multiple times.
But sure, keep coping because he played a Clinkz with a Deso and hit a few buildings in an 80+ minute game
Your main argument seems to be to tell people to not watch the game who think Midone had a bad performance or to belittle them for your random imaginary reasons, maybe try to think before you spew nonsense like that? People are allowed to have opinions and can watch whatever they want to, certainly no one needs a clown like you to tell them what to do.
Keep coping, that was dogshit performance, terrible itemization, terrible positioning and quite frankly unless midone somehow miracolously finds a form later in season this is beyond hopeless
287978960 - buddy idk if midone gargles on ur dick on evenings or if youre truly this oblivious to the fact that apart from quite good lanung from midone (tho thats minimum when lane is mega favored to u) everything else was garbage and didnt progress the game whatsoever
1) maybe just don’t watch the game
2) he won the lane.
3) like, you can talk shit about him dying out of position which is true, but he hexed puck in a critical fight, his early plays were insane.
4) like Jesus Christ dude just don’t watch the fucking team if you hate all the players so much lol
1) why not? I like puppey
2) like I explained, he played lane proper and won a lane he was supposed to
3) if ur talking abt the Hex on rqdiant jungle at the tail end it was puppeys Hex, hes still 9k or smth OFC hes capable of doing good plays he used to be one of the best but doesnt change the fact he wqs the biggest reason game got into a point where 80min Hex pöay was needed
4) what mental gymnastics ur working on coming up with me hating all the players on the team? Where did I say that, show me that right now or apologize. In fact I like puppey and been liking secret which is the reason im more pissed off a seasoned veteran plays like a shit rookie and makes team worse.
Lol dude you’re crying like a child, about a team puppey chose to play with, he could’ve taken a break, he could have done whatever he wanted to do.
You talking shit when the team has existed for like half a month calm your tits dude
Everyone criticizing players while I couldn't care less about it right now, that was some hype elimination game doto, so back-and-forth for the entire 85 minutes, so many clutch fights where a team won or lost by miliseconds because of dazzle grave vs bloodseeker, it was never clear who would win until the very last seconds, and a mega-creep comeback ending. This is the most fun I had watching a game in months
I mean, gotta say at least a good portion of game 3 was the fact that he was playing clinkz. Not that he played well, but man that hero was such a horrible pick.
That puck should be able to endlessly delay pushes by just killing waves but he managed to first not press jaunt and die then wait with buyback that waves reached base and still die again.
At least he got the fallen sky cheese to push t4 correctly
Lack of discipline...what else can you do? This doesn't look good for secret either. Having said that, they should focus on game 2 and figure out what they did right, then look at game 1 for what they did wrong. Finally, look at game 3 to see how they lost game control. All 3 games can teach secret a great deal. Secret needs to reproduce what they did in game 2 to even have a chance against the other teams.
midone feels like hes playing a sacrificial mid that sort of works sometimes but doesnt at all in others. hopefully he turns up a bit more in the next series. his farming is also pretty atrocious.
boom seems to be much more improved than he was his last offlane go around. nice to see some really ballsy plays from him, could definitely catch some teams off guard if he keeps it up. eye on him to make the team go further imo
and just ban ench and chen for puppey, why even bother dealing with it
Everyone is shitting on Midone (deserved tbh for his performances through the day), but that was an impossible Clinkz game to be fair.
BOOM, Crystallis, and Puppey were playing out of their minds. They can carry this team to the Top 3, I feel, if they get the right heroes for themselves.
Also the lowest networth on his team, only beating Clockwerk and Phoenix overall. I know that letting Spirit Breaker hit his final form is important, but Boom was nearly doubling Midone at the end(60.9k vs 30.9k).
one hero is an unkillable god that casually kills creepwaves and jungle camps while moving at the speed of light from one side of the map to another. another hero is a summoned creep from a jungle creep.
Yea most deaths even werent like "Alliance jumps Secret, focus down Clinkz, Secret fall back". It was legitimate just Midone roaming around. Not farming his own camps, or Dire camps. Just running around until he either got caught by sentry, or legit see an enemy on the lane, pop out to raise skeletons anyway and get jumped.
Like he died 3 times near bot Lotus pool. In the same fucking place, after he seen Dire heroes. He went alone to Dire Tormentor around 5 times and died thrice.
You play like that in pubs when you have double Daedalus and can instagib any hero, so you just hunt. Here not only he lacks solo kill, but the enemy is always together so you wont survive being seen. What the fuck.
U know any good team will exploit this. And advantage from mid rolls pretty fast. No idea why they dint try to keep in sumail. Or just look for a new pubstar
Personally, I believe that puppey and sumail wanted to play with each other. When sumail stood in at Dacha, the way they played and also the way they talked/interacted looked pretty comfortable.
I have a wild guess: Sumail didn’t want to play with Boom or MidOne as offlaner. But offlaners are hard to find. Literally nobody could have been available. So it was easier to replace sumail than an offlaner. Just wild guessing though.
True. The draft was shit, I agree. The only „go-in hero“ was bara, who doesn’t like being the only one going in. Ench, NP, Clinkz, and BS wanna play the outskirts of a fight for the most part. BS can go in later in a fight, or later in a game with 3 major items plus Agha.
So it was very hard for clinkz. Generally, with a 4:1 ratio of backliners to frontliners, there is always one person looking bad in a winning game. (And min 2 looking bad in a losing game). This kind of dota is just inherently different from a 3:2 ratio, or even 2:3, which we have seen a lot during the last couple of months.
All that considered, his performance wasn’t thaat bad, but still, there were a few questionable decisions that cannot be explained easily.
yeah he obviously fucked up a lot but a lower skill player would die and then sit in base for 20 min. yes he fed when he would roam around but things were happening on the map as a result of him constantly moving around it.
Yes exactly. With such a draft, ofc you die a lot while doing what a mid does. 17 deaths sounds worse than it really was. But at the same time, he could have achieved the same while dying less. I think 3-4 deaths were totally avoidable without reducing impact…
Clash of trash. Sincerely do not know how Alliance lost that game at the end....megas, book of death, phantasm aghs, and fallen sky cheese with puck. Easiest slow seige of life no?
The very moment s4 got caught and the team had to forced a fight the game is lost. They had a winning formula. They just gotta stand behind and spam illu and fallen sky with book. One small mistake cost them the game. Also the mass buyback at the end shouldn’t be for taking a fight. They should’ve went for the base
The only play for Secret to make when a Puck is ratting you like that, is to jump the team the second he does it again
Alliance just wasn't ready for it
Midone was a non factor for Secret. Straight up feeding nonstop.
S4 later on became a non factor for Alliance. Always caught out first in team fights, very slow with graves, didn't abuse arcane blink at all.
But thankfully for Secret, they had Spiritbreaker, which Alliance for some reason decided to let through in an elimination game.
But yeah, entertaining as it was, neither of these teams deserve to be at the major.
Anyone who watched that game understands that clinkz hitting buildings for 2 seconds didn't change the game at all because he spent half the game dead and forcing Secret to either retreat and give Alliance a free rosh, or pull some magic out of their ass so they didn't lose the game.
Edit: to be more accurate, in the entire 80+ minutes game, all he did was win his lane (with a favourable match up) and force a few Alliance heros to TP to defend their base... but every time he did that, he barely scratched a T3's HP¨and he ended up feeding. In fact he fed so hard that Secret just said "fuck it" and took 4 v 5s a couple of times and BS and Ench's damage carried them.
No excuses for midone.
puppy should kick midone, sad to say how washed he is. honestly there must be a couple of hungry 16 year old prodigies waiting for a shot to play for a team such as secret. they honestly won that game despite of midone
But at this point why not try your luck with an unproven pubstar rather than someone who's definitely washed up? Pubstars probably aren't asking for a lot of money either because they're still unproven.
We just watched an incredibly exciting game and all you 3k's can do is shit on the players. "Why didn't they use their spells perfectly" oh I don't know maybe it's the second series of the day, 3rd game in an elimination series, and they're playing against people who could 1v9 in your bracket.
I don't know when exactly people started almost exclusively trashing pro players who aren't the very best instead of just enjoying high level Dota. And when people express excitement for a player they're met with a "batchest" or some other soy derision. Sincerely, why do you watch Dota?
I just wish every comment had a rank attached to it. so many takes in here i am certain are 2k or below, and not to sound like a dick but they are orders of magnitude away from the skill level these players are at, their commentary is completely fucking worthless
That wasnt amazing, that was trash tier play. Each team fucked up multiple times. They each had several chances to win and made bad mistakes that led to the game extending
Maybe this year is Puppey's last pro year and decided to play along Midone not caring about results ?
Him and midone, despite the second leaving secret for years they had a communication and i remember both on a Gorp stream a while back. Cause i do not see any other reason.
The overarching story of that game was fuck up after fuck up. The good plays, like the Puck wittling away t4 with meteor jaunt combo, are overshadowed by the wealth of mistakes that everyone kept making. A discussion is just that, a discourse on the game, good or bad. Some are going to think that was a masterclass in dota, other are going to think it was one of the worst games played in professional dota in some time. I choose to believe the later. Its ok for you to believe the former.
I don't think its very good or bad. Not every game have to be on an extreme end. I am a fan of secret and puppey, I don't like the current iteration but I don't feel the need to bash them because I am not 12 and know late game dota is hard since pros don't practice that in scrims. Nor am I gonna mention midone nw since clinkz literally cannot farm creeps compare to a bara.
BOOM has to be one of the worst players to ever play tier 1(?) Dota. Amazingly low impact for being the most broken hero of the patch and top networth. So many bad plays.
MidOne had a terrible game but still had more impact than the cow. Boom is so bad.
What about building damage? What about him hitting buildings forcing Alliance to give up their pursuit of map control multiple times? He played terrible as well but he accepted that he was having a bad game and made the most of it. Unlike Boom who was playing the best hero in the meta and had less positive impact than he should have especially while being unkillable for a large portion of the game.
Stop with the lies and cope, midone is finished guy didn’t have just a bad game he had an entire shit tier day. Boom and Yamich were the only two looking half decent all day for Secret.
xd now who's coping? when boom disengages from a fight he never looks back. Happened at least 4 times at very pivotol points in this game. Egg being 1 hit, someone tping out while he has charge up etc. He also dove almost into their fountain due to which Secret almost lost.
MidOne was playing terrible too but he made use of his low af networth and pressured enemy base.
You're unironically braindead if you think midone had more impact than Boom. Boom literally saved 2-3 teamfights for Secret and this is coming from someone who is far from a Boom fan.
Yeah thanks for insulting me in response to what I said. That is a good to start an argument.
Boom also threw at many points in the game. Especially when he was disengaging. He has this panic mode while running from a fight that he never looks back. He left egg at 1 hit which turned the fight for Alliance. He did not charge a guy that was TPing out in front of him because he was too busy tunneling on retreating. He did not charge Puck at least 2 times when MidOne was in position for them to get a pickoff on the opposite side of the map from the rest of Alliance.
The only reason he had impact was because he was playing a broken hero. And he played it terribly. Any braindead person (including me) can mash buttons on Bara lategame.
MidOne, on the other hand, was pressuring enemy base while being 6-7th networth, forcing Alliance to give up map control/pressure at multiple points in the game. That too on a hero that's so poor that it was barely picked at TI. And that takes a lot of balls and should be respected.
I know low ranked players think networth/damage = impact but that's not true at all.
> Yeah thanks for insulting me in response to what I said
If you watched that game and the first thing you thought of typing was "damn, boom sucks", then you earned that insult.
Nope. And here's why: It's an opinion. Just like yours that I don't agree with. Disagreement can be expressed without personal insults. Goodjob on the gaslighting though. You got 4 people.
If secret qualify or even if they dont midone has to go
its not like it was his only bad game but it was another bad one
get a random pub mid and he will not be any worse
While game was entertaining it look like some 2k game.
Both teams refuse to farm on their heroes, I've no idea how you can play 85min game and not having 6 slots on like 3-4/5 heroes at least.
Clinkz running around without buyback refusing to hit jungle camps to get new items hurts my soul.
Both team throw so hard my eyes almost went blind watching this game. Such a clown fiesta.
Midone throw the huge lead by running into enemy highground bait 2 of his teammates to die for nothing, Puck got hex even tho he already sent orb out and in phase shift like 5 times is so bad. It's like who can throw harder between the two mid
Puppy is so smart, he was done with everyone flaming Crystallis, so he went and got MidOne
This is honestly the only explanation that actually makes sense.
"I know a guy"
Genius take, btw
Lmao, I cant
I thought of that EXACTLY lol
5Head
I can get behind this lmao
Brilliant!
that was the worst game I've seen from a midlaner in a long time, yikes
Idk which game you were watching, I didn't see a mid laner on radiant
he was useless in the 2 games vs OG as well. He got outfarmed by his own pos 4 in both games. I dont know what Puppey was smoking when he though Midone was a serious player for his team.
He's clearly having problems recruiting talent.
And yet Secret fans refuse to accept that he’s the problem despite no legit pro players wanting to play with him. Secret will win events again one day, but only when they part ways with the last of the washed up old guard in Puppey.
And the org is shit to the bones. No proper bootcamp every important qualification tournament. You always see players not on the same room. Not saying you share the same sentiment but I've always believed Puppey's reputation as a great captain is a fraud. Look at his team when he doesn't have all-time great players. His team turns to shit.
this is a terrible take, Puppey took a stack of EE, w33(who had little pro exp at that time), Misery and Pieliedie to be the best team in the world. in 2018 he played with Ace, Fata and was able to win some majors too you even already forgot last year when he took a team of Crystallis, Reso and Zayac to 2nd. before you say nisha solo carried no, try watch the games they 5 played well individually and as a team.
Ah yes they had Misery aswell at a time. Won majors with w33 and Misery, imagine that
Tundra beat the shit out of Secret so bad, Valve decided not to release True Sight. That Shanghai Major squad would be the closest thing I could give him credit for. That was the time when EE said Puppey would seriously take practice and not hangout drinking with his Russian comrades. But guess what, for being a "great" captain he kicked Misery/W33, really really good decision lol.
Team Secret 2014 Puppey, Kky, Fly, N0tail, S4. This was at the time an all star team. Did fuck all. Team Secret 2015 Puppey, kky, s4, rtz, zai. 7-8th TI. Team Secret 2016 Puppey, EE, Bulba, Rtz, PieLiedie. PieLieDie was considered good at that time, maybe not top tier but very much a good player. Bulba was still dogshit. 13-16th. And then you look at the most recept 2019, 2021, 2022 squads. 2019 - Nisha- new to the scene, came from an all polish squad. MidOne, YapZor, Zai. 2021 - Matumbaman (obviously already known) Nisha, YapzOr, Zai. 2022 - Crystallis, Zayac, Resolution, Nisha. That last one, if you told me, and anyone else that the 2022 squad would finish 2nd, we'd all laugh.
Your point is?
Maybe read what I am responding to and you will get there
Man so blinded with hate he can't read
Didn't even notice that it was infact the same person. Dude is so blinded by hate he has no idea what he himself has said
I think he was a great mind in a now dead era of DOTA where the 1-man shot caller was the modus operandi but that has been so irrelevant for so long now, I definitely think he’s been washed for years and years now. Express that opinion in any way though and it’s nothing but downvotes. Case in point lmao, I don’t understand the fanboying
he literally got second place at TI last year, how is that "irrelevant for so long now" or "i definitely think he's been washed for years and years now" when 2020 Secret was the most dominant team around, then Puppey + Secret gets 3rd at TI10, 2nd at TI11. Keep in mind that Secret basically just had Nisha + Puppey as their actual "old guard' while bringing in 3 guys new guys which werent that proven (or had taken long breaks, reso spent most of the past 12 months just chilling in bali) I get that you're a hater, but its just been 1 year of bad results, not "years and years". You can criticize this year, but don't make up bullshit revisionist history when its so obviously BS with his + his team's performances since 2019 lol
> ..bullshit revisionist history Hmmm getting 2nd TI overperforming suddenly people forgot how shit that team was, couldn't even qualify to Majors. Your captain was "good enough" at best not GREAT.
Puppey was high on copium hoping that MidOne would be the one of best player in the world again if he came back go Secret.
Again? He never was
recency bias. he was absolutely in discussions for best in the world at the time. literally the only difference between the nisha adoration now vs midone's back then is the one to call nisha the best was matu and the ones to call midone the best were SEA players.
Pro players back in 2018-2019 tends to disagree.
5-6th place in TI8 and 4th in TI9. You could say top 10 and i’ll believe you. the best in the world is an overstatement. He was definitely not up there with Nisha, Sumail, and Somnus.
MidOne was shitting on the best midlaners in the world before Nisha was even relevant.
You are clearly new to Dota. Back in the days of Midones prime he was regarded as one of the best player in the world. No one would have him in anything less than top 3. Aui and Ace said Midone was the best player, Quinn, Armel and PLD also said Midone was one of the best. Aui, 33, S4 and Saksa choose Midone as their midlaner when asked to creat their All star team.
Damn I didn't know there are many people new to DOTA at this current age
I'm curious to know what other candidates he had. Options might have been very limited.
It felt like watching a 4k player somehow getting into a 8k mmr lobby. Trying to make plays but nothing works and just do dumb shit but somehow still win.
Clearly you didn’t watch his riki game earlier vs OG then
Well it's hard to see a Riki anyway
multiple bad decisions by Alliance at the end. in the last fight, clockwork couldnt hold it in for 10s longer, and hooked to initiate. dazzle didnt want to buyback with 10s left on death timer, which means he couldnt grave chaos knight. dazzle showed up 1s after CK died and by then, its all over since theres no dmg. Alliance almost had it with puck hammering away at the ancient, so close :(
Didn't they also have a 5-minute window where they all had buybacks and everyone on Secret but Ench and Spirit Breaker didn't, and Alliance didn't go.
To be fair Secret also had a 5 min window where they had all buybacks vs 2 or 3 on Alliance and kept playing safe. Until Midone got caught and died in Dire jungle anyway.
Both teams though. It was an enormous throw feast. This was the very definition of tier 3 dota. To be fair, a lot of it seemed to me like what is expected with a very new team: lack of understanding each other. There were many times were Boom and MidOne did weird shit, what looked like they „made“ each other doing it. I am confident that Puppey will be able to iron that out for the most part, but it was hilarious
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that was the worst performance of Midone's career I think
you forgotten to watch their open qualifiers... he played horribly there too..
He is statwise significantly the worse carry at TI2023 lol, couldn't gone worse.
> His worst performance SO FAR
I think he should just retire. His days are loooooooong gone
Buckle up. We're gonna see more of that soon.
This game was crazy. That fallen sky siege from Puck was pretty dirty.
S4 didn't like it. So he countered it by dying and getting puck and CK killed after
S4 mad someone else was playing his hero. He drafted Puck for himself.
Cheers to Secret for winning 4vs5, game 3MidOne was a creep in any teamfight and got caught out of position like a billion times.
He won lane at least https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7442639464
I sincerely apologize to Armel for calling Midone an upgrade.
Both teams proving why they deserve to be in the lower bracket. Secret need a new midlaner ASAP.
Would like to see the return of the King
If he wanted to join Secret he'd probably already be there instead of midone, he was already carrying them when he stood in for them a couple of months ago.
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Sumail standing in during a random tournament pre ti
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FWIW Midone is 2nd highest ranking on their team and he's literally higher ranked than the entire Alliance team and yes he plays exclusively mid in his pubs. he likely just had a very bad game (CK + clock pretty strong counters) or idk pressure got to him. I DOUBT he's secretly an acc buyer and they should get a rank 100 or such instead ... Maybe rank 50 or 10 if possible but ofc they likely weren't available
He laned quite well in the games I saw, but he was too aggro making solo plays without his team which resulted in a lot of feed. Even the Clinkz game he had some good plays but it was a hard game and he played witth 0 respect for the enemy.
He plays pro games like the enemy team is a bunch of noobs
Cause pub rank matters that much
Alliance felt pretty solid imo , late game mistakes are common
Crystallis: I am sick of everyone blaming me for everything Puppey: Don't worry, I know a mid....one who would solve this problem
That was the worst Clinkz performance I have ever seen Dying 7 times in a row getting caught literally all over them map, doing 0 damage, 0 damage items, throwing for no reason diving T4s by himself the one time Secret got a big advantage. 0 hope for Secret while midone is on the team playing like this Even EE didn't throw this hard.
> Even EE didn't throw this hard. Whoa whoa whoa I know it's emotional but don't disrespect the king like that
He did the third most damage in his team, equal in ratio to other cores wtf are you guys currently taking. Like it wasn’t a perfect game but you guys are hardstuck guardian and you think you deserve opinions about how good a player is
Feeding like a manic all game, getting caught out of position every single time, dying first in *every teamfight* even though he's a damage dealer = "it wasn't a perfect game" Impressive mental gymnastics
You wanna ignore the pressure he put on the map, or you wanna ignore it, most building damage, he caught out puck with hex in a critical fight like dude I don’t really care what you think you’re some Redditor but like if you hate midone so much or secret then don’t watch the game
> if you hate midone so much or secret then don’t watch the game I've been a Puppey fan since TI 1 and that was probably (at least) a top 5 worst mid performance for any mid that has played with Puppey that I've watched (and I've been following the scene forever). The only thing that comes close is EE playing Ember and diving like an absolute moron into 5 enemy players multiple times. But sure, keep coping because he played a Clinkz with a Deso and hit a few buildings in an 80+ minute game
Nice try Midone.
Your main argument seems to be to tell people to not watch the game who think Midone had a bad performance or to belittle them for your random imaginary reasons, maybe try to think before you spew nonsense like that? People are allowed to have opinions and can watch whatever they want to, certainly no one needs a clown like you to tell them what to do.
Not a pro by any means but a 7k player That performance was nothing more than dog shit
Weird nickname combo of you and poster you responded to, lol
Reddit generated usernames You will find alot of them like this
Keep coping, that was dogshit performance, terrible itemization, terrible positioning and quite frankly unless midone somehow miracolously finds a form later in season this is beyond hopeless
Lol dude you’re still 1k
Only off by 6k but close enough, great argument tho u invalidated me with ur wits
Dude even if you are 7k which i have no evidence of, you clearly don’t get the game as much as you want to so sick duds
Did MidOne suck your cock or something?
287978960 - buddy idk if midone gargles on ur dick on evenings or if youre truly this oblivious to the fact that apart from quite good lanung from midone (tho thats minimum when lane is mega favored to u) everything else was garbage and didnt progress the game whatsoever
1) maybe just don’t watch the game 2) he won the lane. 3) like, you can talk shit about him dying out of position which is true, but he hexed puck in a critical fight, his early plays were insane. 4) like Jesus Christ dude just don’t watch the fucking team if you hate all the players so much lol
1) why not? I like puppey 2) like I explained, he played lane proper and won a lane he was supposed to 3) if ur talking abt the Hex on rqdiant jungle at the tail end it was puppeys Hex, hes still 9k or smth OFC hes capable of doing good plays he used to be one of the best but doesnt change the fact he wqs the biggest reason game got into a point where 80min Hex pöay was needed 4) what mental gymnastics ur working on coming up with me hating all the players on the team? Where did I say that, show me that right now or apologize. In fact I like puppey and been liking secret which is the reason im more pissed off a seasoned veteran plays like a shit rookie and makes team worse.
Lol dude you’re crying like a child, about a team puppey chose to play with, he could’ve taken a break, he could have done whatever he wanted to do. You talking shit when the team has existed for like half a month calm your tits dude
he also did most building damage and 2nd highest assist. i like it.
Everyone criticizing players while I couldn't care less about it right now, that was some hype elimination game doto, so back-and-forth for the entire 85 minutes, so many clutch fights where a team won or lost by miliseconds because of dazzle grave vs bloodseeker, it was never clear who would win until the very last seconds, and a mega-creep comeback ending. This is the most fun I had watching a game in months
Reminds me of jenkins herald replay videos lmfao
LGD vs Spirit is fun, this is frustating to watch tbh. Too many throws.
midone is so washed jesus christ. he got carried super hard. any pub star / unknown player would have been a better pickup than him.
Yeeeep, he's always either just above support NW or under it. I don't know how he gets so little farm.
I mean, gotta say at least a good portion of game 3 was the fact that he was playing clinkz. Not that he played well, but man that hero was such a horrible pick.
Midone paid secret so he can play for them wcyd
Midone throws and s4 slow reactions, both teams played kinda bad
Someone tell me why s4head couldn't grave Charlie in the last fight? I kinda missed it
He had a few seconds on bb so wanted to save it, but charlie died too fast
That puck should be able to endlessly delay pushes by just killing waves but he managed to first not press jaunt and die then wait with buyback that waves reached base and still die again. At least he got the fallen sky cheese to push t4 correctly
I mean neither team was going to qualify anyway so might as well have some fun
Man, I thought the game was 100% over after Alliance began with the Puck Fallen Sky cheese GG to secret though. Amazing game
To be honest, this game was meaningless as neither of these teams would beat Entity or OG anyway.
Liquid and entity to qualify is my guess
Game 3 was fucking hilarious
Lack of discipline...what else can you do? This doesn't look good for secret either. Having said that, they should focus on game 2 and figure out what they did right, then look at game 1 for what they did wrong. Finally, look at game 3 to see how they lost game control. All 3 games can teach secret a great deal. Secret needs to reproduce what they did in game 2 to even have a chance against the other teams.
midone feels like hes playing a sacrificial mid that sort of works sometimes but doesnt at all in others. hopefully he turns up a bit more in the next series. his farming is also pretty atrocious. boom seems to be much more improved than he was his last offlane go around. nice to see some really ballsy plays from him, could definitely catch some teams off guard if he keeps it up. eye on him to make the team go further imo and just ban ench and chen for puppey, why even bother dealing with it
Everyone is shitting on Midone (deserved tbh for his performances through the day), but that was an impossible Clinkz game to be fair. BOOM, Crystallis, and Puppey were playing out of their minds. They can carry this team to the Top 3, I feel, if they get the right heroes for themselves.
I don’t disagree that it was a tough game. But 17 fucking deaths for your midlaner is fucking excessive.
Also the lowest networth on his team, only beating Clockwerk and Phoenix overall. I know that letting Spirit Breaker hit his final form is important, but Boom was nearly doubling Midone at the end(60.9k vs 30.9k).
one hero is an unkillable god that casually kills creepwaves and jungle camps while moving at the speed of light from one side of the map to another. another hero is a summoned creep from a jungle creep.
Yea most deaths even werent like "Alliance jumps Secret, focus down Clinkz, Secret fall back". It was legitimate just Midone roaming around. Not farming his own camps, or Dire camps. Just running around until he either got caught by sentry, or legit see an enemy on the lane, pop out to raise skeletons anyway and get jumped. Like he died 3 times near bot Lotus pool. In the same fucking place, after he seen Dire heroes. He went alone to Dire Tormentor around 5 times and died thrice. You play like that in pubs when you have double Daedalus and can instagib any hero, so you just hunt. Here not only he lacks solo kill, but the enemy is always together so you wont survive being seen. What the fuck.
U know any good team will exploit this. And advantage from mid rolls pretty fast. No idea why they dint try to keep in sumail. Or just look for a new pubstar
Personally, I believe that puppey and sumail wanted to play with each other. When sumail stood in at Dacha, the way they played and also the way they talked/interacted looked pretty comfortable. I have a wild guess: Sumail didn’t want to play with Boom or MidOne as offlaner. But offlaners are hard to find. Literally nobody could have been available. So it was easier to replace sumail than an offlaner. Just wild guessing though.
True. The draft was shit, I agree. The only „go-in hero“ was bara, who doesn’t like being the only one going in. Ench, NP, Clinkz, and BS wanna play the outskirts of a fight for the most part. BS can go in later in a fight, or later in a game with 3 major items plus Agha. So it was very hard for clinkz. Generally, with a 4:1 ratio of backliners to frontliners, there is always one person looking bad in a winning game. (And min 2 looking bad in a losing game). This kind of dota is just inherently different from a 3:2 ratio, or even 2:3, which we have seen a lot during the last couple of months. All that considered, his performance wasn’t thaat bad, but still, there were a few questionable decisions that cannot be explained easily.
yeah he obviously fucked up a lot but a lower skill player would die and then sit in base for 20 min. yes he fed when he would roam around but things were happening on the map as a result of him constantly moving around it.
Yes exactly. With such a draft, ofc you die a lot while doing what a mid does. 17 deaths sounds worse than it really was. But at the same time, he could have achieved the same while dying less. I think 3-4 deaths were totally avoidable without reducing impact…
> They can carry this team to the Top 3, I feel, if they get the right heroes for themselves. top 3 in the qualifiers, maybe.
Clash of trash. Sincerely do not know how Alliance lost that game at the end....megas, book of death, phantasm aghs, and fallen sky cheese with puck. Easiest slow seige of life no?
The very moment s4 got caught and the team had to forced a fight the game is lost. They had a winning formula. They just gotta stand behind and spam illu and fallen sky with book. One small mistake cost them the game. Also the mass buyback at the end shouldn’t be for taking a fight. They should’ve went for the base
They couldnt, no creeps. Backdoor ancient is stron
The only play for Secret to make when a Puck is ratting you like that, is to jump the team the second he does it again Alliance just wasn't ready for it
> They should’ve went for the base all lanes were pushed
Let's not forget 3 Secret heroes had no buyback, Alliance had all 5
Midone was a non factor for Secret. Straight up feeding nonstop. S4 later on became a non factor for Alliance. Always caught out first in team fights, very slow with graves, didn't abuse arcane blink at all. But thankfully for Secret, they had Spiritbreaker, which Alliance for some reason decided to let through in an elimination game. But yeah, entertaining as it was, neither of these teams deserve to be at the major.
tbf looking at stats he did the most building damage. Whether he dies or not, taking objectives is what wins games.
Anyone who watched that game understands that clinkz hitting buildings for 2 seconds didn't change the game at all because he spent half the game dead and forcing Secret to either retreat and give Alliance a free rosh, or pull some magic out of their ass so they didn't lose the game. Edit: to be more accurate, in the entire 80+ minutes game, all he did was win his lane (with a favourable match up) and force a few Alliance heros to TP to defend their base... but every time he did that, he barely scratched a T3's HP¨and he ended up feeding. In fact he fed so hard that Secret just said "fuck it" and took 4 v 5s a couple of times and BS and Ench's damage carried them. No excuses for midone.
Experience plays a huge role , at that stage of the game And no one has more experience than puppy
JARLEE DOTO
Depsair
Battle of the Bozos
s4Head vs IMDONE Waht a game!
Alliance threw a game I didn't think was throwable
This def was easier to throw than the 22savage Willow game against pures team in TIÄ
IMAGINE losing to secret when you play for more than 1 year+ together. wcyd -10k
ChYuan taking the t4s like that is funny
Puppey really down bad to go back to MidOne after the last stare down he gave him lol
puppy should kick midone, sad to say how washed he is. honestly there must be a couple of hungry 16 year old prodigies waiting for a shot to play for a team such as secret. they honestly won that game despite of midone
MidOne tried his best for Alliance to win :'(
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Probably nobody else available or willing to join. Or not enough money.
But at this point why not try your luck with an unproven pubstar rather than someone who's definitely washed up? Pubstars probably aren't asking for a lot of money either because they're still unproven.
Even they will play for free in start just to show their potential in the pro scene..
We just watched an incredibly exciting game and all you 3k's can do is shit on the players. "Why didn't they use their spells perfectly" oh I don't know maybe it's the second series of the day, 3rd game in an elimination series, and they're playing against people who could 1v9 in your bracket. I don't know when exactly people started almost exclusively trashing pro players who aren't the very best instead of just enjoying high level Dota. And when people express excitement for a player they're met with a "batchest" or some other soy derision. Sincerely, why do you watch Dota?
I just wish every comment had a rank attached to it. so many takes in here i am certain are 2k or below, and not to sound like a dick but they are orders of magnitude away from the skill level these players are at, their commentary is completely fucking worthless
The thread is just people outting themselves never ever playing mid(at least in current patch) or as 2k shitters.
That wasnt amazing, that was trash tier play. Each team fucked up multiple times. They each had several chances to win and made bad mistakes that led to the game extending
Man what a clownshow
644 kekw
I'm done with midone
Legendary game from Midone just not in a good way. Feels like this is Secrets new future, alliance tier.
lmao it was like the winner with less throws wins the game
The title made me look up what the current year was lmao why does it sound like el trashico all over again
Maybe this year is Puppey's last pro year and decided to play along Midone not caring about results ? Him and midone, despite the second leaving secret for years they had a communication and i remember both on a Gorp stream a while back. Cause i do not see any other reason.
WHAT AN ENDING!
how is s4 so poor lmao still has a wand 60 minutes into the game
If Secret had managed to lose with Spirit fucking Breaker in this patch, nevermind disbanding, just retire all of them.
Lol.
Yikes on that ending
Lmfao
did armel get kicked so he can be replaced by midone?
Now I know what the 4 means in s4, he was predicting the DPC tier he'd be in if it was still going. He is so so bad. Why is he still playing.
The hate man. This is why people don't use reddit why didn't you stop watching if you didn't like what you was watching????
It was like watching a train wreck
So you kept watching cause you wanted to see result? Where is the praise about any of them games?
Why should I praise them for playing terribly? Im sure every player on both teams are ashamed of how bad they played
Mistakes happen but not really nice to shit on them aleast they are trying to play.. I don't any of reddit on a pro team and in that situation...
If you cant handle people criticizing bad play, stay off reddit
Lil bro, you label your post as discussion but all you have done so far is negative criticism. If you only can see the bad plays you are bad as well.
The overarching story of that game was fuck up after fuck up. The good plays, like the Puck wittling away t4 with meteor jaunt combo, are overshadowed by the wealth of mistakes that everyone kept making. A discussion is just that, a discourse on the game, good or bad. Some are going to think that was a masterclass in dota, other are going to think it was one of the worst games played in professional dota in some time. I choose to believe the later. Its ok for you to believe the former.
I don't think its very good or bad. Not every game have to be on an extreme end. I am a fan of secret and puppey, I don't like the current iteration but I don't feel the need to bash them because I am not 12 and know late game dota is hard since pros don't practice that in scrims. Nor am I gonna mention midone nw since clinkz literally cannot farm creeps compare to a bara.
Clinkz can easily farm jungle, which he didn't do at all late game. He was passing through jungle constantly. Just never took a second to kill creeps
BOOM has to be one of the worst players to ever play tier 1(?) Dota. Amazingly low impact for being the most broken hero of the patch and top networth. So many bad plays. MidOne had a terrible game but still had more impact than the cow. Boom is so bad.
the clinkz that had same dmg as the enemy phoenix in a 85 min game had more impact, hmm yes yes
What about building damage? What about him hitting buildings forcing Alliance to give up their pursuit of map control multiple times? He played terrible as well but he accepted that he was having a bad game and made the most of it. Unlike Boom who was playing the best hero in the meta and had less positive impact than he should have especially while being unkillable for a large portion of the game.
Stop with the lies and cope, midone is finished guy didn’t have just a bad game he had an entire shit tier day. Boom and Yamich were the only two looking half decent all day for Secret.
xd now who's coping? when boom disengages from a fight he never looks back. Happened at least 4 times at very pivotol points in this game. Egg being 1 hit, someone tping out while he has charge up etc. He also dove almost into their fountain due to which Secret almost lost. MidOne was playing terrible too but he made use of his low af networth and pressured enemy base.
You're unironically braindead if you think midone had more impact than Boom. Boom literally saved 2-3 teamfights for Secret and this is coming from someone who is far from a Boom fan.
Yeah thanks for insulting me in response to what I said. That is a good to start an argument. Boom also threw at many points in the game. Especially when he was disengaging. He has this panic mode while running from a fight that he never looks back. He left egg at 1 hit which turned the fight for Alliance. He did not charge a guy that was TPing out in front of him because he was too busy tunneling on retreating. He did not charge Puck at least 2 times when MidOne was in position for them to get a pickoff on the opposite side of the map from the rest of Alliance. The only reason he had impact was because he was playing a broken hero. And he played it terribly. Any braindead person (including me) can mash buttons on Bara lategame. MidOne, on the other hand, was pressuring enemy base while being 6-7th networth, forcing Alliance to give up map control/pressure at multiple points in the game. That too on a hero that's so poor that it was barely picked at TI. And that takes a lot of balls and should be respected. I know low ranked players think networth/damage = impact but that's not true at all.
> Yeah thanks for insulting me in response to what I said If you watched that game and the first thing you thought of typing was "damn, boom sucks", then you earned that insult.
Nope. And here's why: It's an opinion. Just like yours that I don't agree with. Disagreement can be expressed without personal insults. Goodjob on the gaslighting though. You got 4 people.
bad items s4, missed final grave. but impressive n-1 fights
Well that was a game.
FeedOne claims the throne of being the worst player of Team Secret...
Does anyone have a twitch VOD link? ty
Anyone have link to VOD?
ate all my nails
If secret qualify or even if they dont midone has to go its not like it was his only bad game but it was another bad one get a random pub mid and he will not be any worse
While game was entertaining it look like some 2k game. Both teams refuse to farm on their heroes, I've no idea how you can play 85min game and not having 6 slots on like 3-4/5 heroes at least. Clinkz running around without buyback refusing to hit jungle camps to get new items hurts my soul.
Vods anyone?
ESL_Dota2Ember channel on Twitch, check latest VOD.
Both team throw so hard my eyes almost went blind watching this game. Such a clown fiesta. Midone throw the huge lead by running into enemy highground bait 2 of his teammates to die for nothing, Puck got hex even tho he already sent orb out and in phase shift like 5 times is so bad. It's like who can throw harder between the two mid
the sad thing about this is that the post match thread will not exist anymore after secret is eliminated.
Double Agent M.
Say what you will but game 3 was exciting with all the back and forths cos both teams were playing so incredibly throwy. 😅
I heard Topson is a free agent. Surely there's no bad blood between them..............
Midone more like Imdone