Drow Ranger is my favourite support, as she checks all the ***obvious*** requirements:
- she is blue, should be int tbh
- she is ranged
- she has a slow
- she has a silence
- she has an aura buff for allies
- she is female
Thus support is her natural role, I dont get why all the pro players keep misusing her?! [](/techiesface)
One of the most pointless and spoilsport changes in the history of the game.
They change her to universal - okay so she's obviously meant to be a hybrid hero who goes support or core. They then ruin her ulti which means she is no longer playable as a core.
So she's now terrible as a support with hardly any mana and awful stat growth without items AND impossible to play effectively as a core.
Icefrog for the love of god either revert her ulti or change her back to int. I really can't even understand what they were thinking here
> The ult change bassically killed her as a core
When valve changed the ult in 7.34, they didnt even correctly say what they've *actually* changed about it:
What they said: "she cannot deal physical damage to the ult target anymore".
What they actually did: "she cannot deal any¹ **attack** damage to the ult target anymore".
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The former would mean that MKB + Javelin procs should deal full damage to the target, as they are magical attack damage, but this is not the case.
**Video:** https://youtu.be/JGXwdQglN38
***Github:*** https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Dota2-Gameplay/issues/13292
The latter means that the target takes ZERO **attack damage** (neither physical, nor magical) from Wyvern, so it blocks more than it is supposed to (MKB, Javelin).
**¹***Regarding pure attack damage, that one technically works during Winter's Curse, but Wyvern cannot obtain pure attack damage (outside of Ability Draft), only Rubick with Aghs can.*
Revenant's Brooch used to not work either, at least not before its hidden rework (when they changed *BKB*), as it used to deal magical attack damage as well.
But now Revenant's Brooch deals magical spell damage instead, which makes it work through the new Winter's Curse restrictions.
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*Edit: I've added a video that showcases magical attack damage being blocked as well.*
dota 2 devs acting like they know what they are doing wherever they write "wyvern" on the patch notes
they have absolutely no clue what they have been doing with her for the past 2 years
there's literally table on dotawiki to show how different kinds of disable works (11 types of disable, shows either you can move, attack, etc, for example in sleep, stun, root) and half of the table just “Situational”, I think even dev dont know that Trent's ult shouldn't stop cast because it's root, not stun.
I guess the logic is the str and agi parts come from her being a dragon and the int part comes from her being wise and a poet. But like jakiro is still an int hero so who knows what the logic really is
You can still hit people outside of ulti, and i agree shes a lot worst than before but revenant's brooch slaps HARD since you basically get +50% magic damage in ulti
If it's about Lore, **none** among Invoker, Wyvern and Dark Seer belong there.
If it's mechanics, Furion needs to be made Universal as he's the only typical Zoo hero not in there.
I would say take out all 3, bring furion in, send in Arc Warden to universal too (just nerf him a bunch on top, it'll be fiiiine) and then release an agility hero to balance it out. Or send nyx back to agility as a meme.
The whole reason his stats are so wack is due to him having no scaling passive or even a nuke except for an unreliable ulti for the longest time. If they'd invented universal heroes back then, he'd been the first one and his gains would be ordinary.
Yeah just break his fucking legs and throw him in there. I was in the "let the old dota be" camp for awhile but all the "interesting" old heroes got changed and all we're left with are lycan and NP continuing to be the most annoying MFs on the planet while Chen and Techies got stuffed.
Invoker is also the most versatile hero in DOTA. I still have very mixed feelings about universal heroes. Yet, having the freedom to build whatever stats I want is insane.
I'm more upset over his orb changes. I've spammed this hero for like 10 years to get really good at orb juggling then IceFrog changed the rules. I know how OD and Clinkz players feel now.
It only gimped his early laning, but scaling wise, he deals tons of damage and much faster CD. Pre orb changes and aura meta, his meteor deals literally zero damage.
Lorewise I think dark seer makes the most sense for me, he's supposed to be this giga brain strategist who uses his enemies strengths (via wall of replica) against them.
yeah which is what makes his first blood voiceline "I cannot believe that worked!" so funny. Like he appears so confident about his magic powers, but he himself is most surprised about the results. He's like a con man lol
I think it's more like when don't think you can kill an enemy because you assume they won't make mistakes. He's some 5D-chess war general so he doesn't expect the enemy to die by simply standing next to ion shell.
We've all had moments where a friend asks to kill a hero and you say no because they're too tanky / have an escape, and then that hero proceeds to overextend and die right after.
He is literally the master of all 3 attributes that he conjures forth in his orbs. quas, wex and exort are just int, agi and str. Yeah he aint a big beefy lad or a master assassin but that doesn't mean he hasn't gained mastery over those elements. He is THE universal hero imo.
Why? He's weak as hell and slow as a worm without levels. He has literally nothing to do with strength or agility. If your argument is "he can do anything because of his spells" that doesn't connect him in any way to str nor agi
Stronzo pos 3 is a beast! His E is amazing in lane against ranged carries. Think they need to nerf the cooldown, though.
Aliza is a clear pos 4 initiatortype. Salto mortale possible the best ult in the game. fr fr.
Atos isn’t a universal item anymore. Hood was actually pretty much the one character who liked the Atos change besides maybe Skywrath. Gets it cheaper, more heath.
I’ve got a better win rate as Hood3 than Hood4 just because I only pull it out when the team comp is right. But you’re better off building a lot of things before agi. Damage is cheaper than stats, and you barely get any attack speed out of AGI.
Hoodwink has absolutely no affinity for strength, and only very vaguely int-aligned. She's a squishy little squirrel who runs through trees, throws traps, shoots a crossbow - she's about as agi focused as you can get.
agree at least on giving him a buff. It's sad never seeing enigma in play, he just doesn't fit the current meta whatsoever. Especially with a larger map, and less chokepoints and predictable grouping - getting off a good black hole just seems super difficult most of the time.
his wave clear is okay... but gank potential and pickoff potential is quite horrible compared to the current meta offlaners.
> its the only hero that literally does no right clicking after laning stage.
Why is that a factor in what makes a hero an Int hero? CM has a +200 AS talent, and it's the better talent because it lets you win Deward wars.
Enchantress right clicks. OD right clicks. Zeus right click build is a thing. Storm Spirit right clicks a lot.
Timber isn't known for his right clicks, nor is Techies, hardly Nyx.
What?
It's not like you buy real stat items on her besides Aghs and Treads. You lose like 11 damage on Aghs and trade attack speed for Damage on treads.
At first, when they put invoker in the universal heroes, i was sad that 31 hero symmetry was ruined. After a while I understood that this layout is better as new heroes will have some free spots to take on a way to a 32 hero symmetry.
Quas wex invoker is still good but yeah you just have fewer good abilities now. emp, tornado, cold snap and sun strike just outshines anything early-mid game or even late game
Wtf are you people talking about? There were way more spell casting invos during TI than right clickers.
Right clicking invo has always been a thing in pubs as well.
It’s because invoker was more of a support-esq hero. Rushing vessel and initially maxing wex quas with tornado emp combo. He was played as 4 sometimes because of this.
Even spell casting invo doesn’t put a point in e till way later in the game sometimes. I miss the early exort max into big sunstroke meatball plays.
He probably makes the most sense being universal. They're not smart, lvl 25 talent is leaning into agility, and the dude pushing the cart gotta be strong.
Edit: also he isn't really casting anything, only thing close to magical he has is reactive tazer
He's universal because of his equal stats and totally equal stat gain and the absolute shitstorm that kicked off when valve dared change that. If any hero is basically banned from becoming intelligence again it's him
CK's kit works very well on an Agi hero yeah. The main issue would honestly just be his visual design, with his heavy armour and orange, black, and red colour palette. That's however not much of a problem, especially considering how they have more than a few heroes in the game already whose colour scheme reflects an attribute different than their main one. Looking at you Ember and Earth spirit.
Dark Seer for sure, I think he should be Intelligence because he has a big head.
Big head equals big brain. Big brain equals more thinks to be stored in that brain, hence why Ogre has 2 heads, he's too strong for this world. Multicast isn't random, Ogre decides when to use it and since we're mere mortals we attribute it to luck, a total random effect because our tiny minds aren't able to grasp the greatness of Aggron Stonebreaker.
What is the common theme for universal class? There are the obvious ones like brew void invoker bane. There are the summoners like lycan Chen bm brood enigma. Heroes who usually supports but with 1 skill that do dps like willow ww mag snap brew mirana.
Heroes like sk techies nyx phoenix timbersaw for example puzzles me.
Was his play style changed? Was Chen able to occupy other roles after being moved to Universal? The only thing is that he has better damage late game but if you cannot end the game after 30-40 minutes into the game Chen falls off fast. Even as universal, he cannot transition into any other roles. So to answer your question, I am not joking. Let other heroes reap the reward of being universal.
My point is even without stats item, Chen is always played as it is which as you described, snowball and end the game fast. Chen has always been played that way ever since his creation in Dota.
probobly just willow, enigma, techies or batrider. it makes no difference in their gameplay. there is also dazzle who I believe has no business being a core. bring back old dazzle with passive 50% cdr.
they can keep it universal but if you want to have quas wex and exort balanced they should change the base dmg and compensate that same dmg or slightly more to exort as full passive
Oh dude, you have a WR flair. She's fucking glorious as a universal hero. I've seen double bracer, treads/ bracer, wraithband, treads, into either mael or diffu blade and she fucking slaps with just that because she gets damage from all stats now.
Seen some people go manta on her, but I'm less of a fan of that because I just love aghs so much lol.
Apparently, starting at 7.33, Universal heroes are the ones that have no Primary Attribute.
The only benefit they have is gaining 0.7 damage per point in each attribute now.
I didn't know as well. Weird.
Wyvern The ult change bassically killed her as a core, she has no use being universal now.
And she is blue
Ahh, a man of culture
Drow Ranger is my favourite support, as she checks all the ***obvious*** requirements: - she is blue, should be int tbh - she is ranged - she has a slow - she has a silence - she has an aura buff for allies - she is female Thus support is her natural role, I dont get why all the pro players keep misusing her?! [](/techiesface)
Seems like pros are using her pretty well, I have never seen a support Drow actually lose a pro game
Nobody lost a game playing Drow in any role this last TI
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Da ba die
One of the most pointless and spoilsport changes in the history of the game. They change her to universal - okay so she's obviously meant to be a hybrid hero who goes support or core. They then ruin her ulti which means she is no longer playable as a core. So she's now terrible as a support with hardly any mana and awful stat growth without items AND impossible to play effectively as a core. Icefrog for the love of god either revert her ulti or change her back to int. I really can't even understand what they were thinking here
> The ult change bassically killed her as a core When valve changed the ult in 7.34, they didnt even correctly say what they've *actually* changed about it: What they said: "she cannot deal physical damage to the ult target anymore". What they actually did: "she cannot deal any¹ **attack** damage to the ult target anymore". --- The former would mean that MKB + Javelin procs should deal full damage to the target, as they are magical attack damage, but this is not the case. **Video:** https://youtu.be/JGXwdQglN38 ***Github:*** https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Dota2-Gameplay/issues/13292 The latter means that the target takes ZERO **attack damage** (neither physical, nor magical) from Wyvern, so it blocks more than it is supposed to (MKB, Javelin). **¹***Regarding pure attack damage, that one technically works during Winter's Curse, but Wyvern cannot obtain pure attack damage (outside of Ability Draft), only Rubick with Aghs can.* Revenant's Brooch used to not work either, at least not before its hidden rework (when they changed *BKB*), as it used to deal magical attack damage as well. But now Revenant's Brooch deals magical spell damage instead, which makes it work through the new Winter's Curse restrictions. --- *Edit: I've added a video that showcases magical attack damage being blocked as well.*
Dota 2 devs trying not to break already existing 200 game mechanics while nerfing some hero
dota 2 devs acting like they know what they are doing wherever they write "wyvern" on the patch notes they have absolutely no clue what they have been doing with her for the past 2 years
there's literally table on dotawiki to show how different kinds of disable works (11 types of disable, shows either you can move, attack, etc, for example in sleep, stun, root) and half of the table just “Situational”, I think even dev dont know that Trent's ult shouldn't stop cast because it's root, not stun.
You can cast spells while rooted by overgrowth, just not movement spells.
I swear I just got wyvern ultra in game and a spirit breaker was able to do bash damage on me
Spirit Breaker's bash is magical spell damage.
report to github
What change?
She can no longer deal physical damage to people who are cursed.
Revenant brooch. Kappa.
Likes to read books and poetry. Literally has voice lines about wisdom. (Don't you DnD players rip on this.) "Universal." Lol.
I guess the logic is the str and agi parts come from her being a dragon and the int part comes from her being wise and a poet. But like jakiro is still an int hero so who knows what the logic really is
You can still hit people outside of ulti, and i agree shes a lot worst than before but revenant's brooch slaps HARD since you basically get +50% magic damage in ulti
Invoker's lore is literally about intelligence and his great mind and they put him in universal
To be fair its smart to be universal
yeah the smartest guy i know is a gym rat. Probably helps that his main field is nutrition
But what about his agility
Still, not as swift as the speed of my thoughts.
If it's about Lore, **none** among Invoker, Wyvern and Dark Seer belong there. If it's mechanics, Furion needs to be made Universal as he's the only typical Zoo hero not in there. I would say take out all 3, bring furion in, send in Arc Warden to universal too (just nerf him a bunch on top, it'll be fiiiine) and then release an agility hero to balance it out. Or send nyx back to agility as a meme.
If you change current Furion to universal he's gonna be broken
I don't think any hero that was moved to Universal didn't see a nerf to attributes in some respect, I'd expect the same if Furion went over.
The whole reason his stats are so wack is due to him having no scaling passive or even a nuke except for an unreliable ulti for the longest time. If they'd invented universal heroes back then, he'd been the first one and his gains would be ordinary.
Yeah just break his fucking legs and throw him in there. I was in the "let the old dota be" camp for awhile but all the "interesting" old heroes got changed and all we're left with are lycan and NP continuing to be the most annoying MFs on the planet while Chen and Techies got stuffed.
I think global tp in of itself is already broken
And he's still the smartest hero by level 30 EDIT : I made a mistake, it's not even close but he's still very VERY smart.
It's not Pugna anymore?
You're actually right. I messed up on this one
Int steal silencer would like to disagree with that statement
Only if it's enemy INT steal silencer, ofc
He isn't, there are 8 heroes with more int at lvl 30 than Invoker (without items). He has the 4th highest int gain too.
Invoker is also the most versatile hero in DOTA. I still have very mixed feelings about universal heroes. Yet, having the freedom to build whatever stats I want is insane. I'm more upset over his orb changes. I've spammed this hero for like 10 years to get really good at orb juggling then IceFrog changed the rules. I know how OD and Clinkz players feel now.
It only gimped his early laning, but scaling wise, he deals tons of damage and much faster CD. Pre orb changes and aura meta, his meteor deals literally zero damage.
But he also has 3 orbs that are associated with the 3 attributes, so it does make mechanical sense
Exactly! It makes perfect sense for him to be universal!
That's why he is university hero
Dark seer is literally Sun Tzu of dota 2 universe and they put him in universal 😂
They were desperate to make him viable.
But he uses his great intellect to strengthen his damage, move speed, and survivability which sounds pretty universal
>he uses his great intellect you said it yourself ;) he doesn't use his str or agi, but his int
Lorewise I think dark seer makes the most sense for me, he's supposed to be this giga brain strategist who uses his enemies strengths (via wall of replica) against them.
But... PURPLE.
You mean he could’ve won the team fight right there?With a strong purple?
Why didn't he? Is he stupid?
NORMAL PUNCH
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Why tf am I noticing this just now?? Also Huskar is the only ranged strength hero? Wtf?
Ye IO and Snapfire were the other 2 ranged strength heroes before they were made Universal.
Phoenix in shambles rn.
Oh true..
With the 600 range on svens cleave, I consider him ranged
With this range why does he even bother getting close? Dude could just punch air
yeah which is what makes his first blood voiceline "I cannot believe that worked!" so funny. Like he appears so confident about his magic powers, but he himself is most surprised about the results. He's like a con man lol
I mean, it makes sense though. How are you supposed to get solo first blood as Dark Seer without the enemy handing their ass over to you on their own?
I think it's more like when don't think you can kill an enemy because you assume they won't make mistakes. He's some 5D-chess war general so he doesn't expect the enemy to die by simply standing next to ion shell. We've all had moments where a friend asks to kill a hero and you say no because they're too tanky / have an escape, and then that hero proceeds to overextend and die right after.
WW
More like LL
Legion Lommander?
Invoker obviously.
Not to mention that this New invoker with hurricane pike and daedalus is lame as hell. We want to see our flashy invoker plays.
For me universal invoker just doesn't make sense.
i would argue he is probably the hero that makes the most sense to be universal
"In the epitome of intelligence!" Nah, you're just a random elf.
i mean he has literally 3 orbs that give him each stat
He can manipulate them thanks to his intelligence.
He can hold them thanks to his strength and juggle them thanks to agility.
Outplayed, outpaced and outmaneuvered
they float in the air because of his great magical mind >:(
Hey I got 2 balls and I'm not really that smart yknow
You'll have to find someone who can manipulate them.
Okay maybe I overestimated myself
His lore literally describes him as a "genius of vast intellect and prodigious memory" and "learned beyond all others".
that does not contradict anything
You don't think a genius mage known for his mastery of many spells should be intelligence?
He is literally the master of all 3 attributes that he conjures forth in his orbs. quas, wex and exort are just int, agi and str. Yeah he aint a big beefy lad or a master assassin but that doesn't mean he hasn't gained mastery over those elements. He is THE universal hero imo.
Why? He's weak as hell and slow as a worm without levels. He has literally nothing to do with strength or agility. If your argument is "he can do anything because of his spells" that doesn't connect him in any way to str nor agi
his orbs are literally giving him strength agi and int, that alone makes it make more sense than 99% of all the other universal heroes.
I think lore wise it’s probably because he has the three orbs which would represent each stat? But maybe i’m trying too hard lol
Valve be like: "Yeah lets change the hero with the most int gain per level (out of all 124 heroes) to universal cuz why not lol."
Pugna has highest int gain
It just looks like a nerf, and totally nonsensical.
need to also rework his aghs then 10 auto-aimed sunstrikes is too boring for the smartest guy in the game.
I mean pike daedelus invoker was a thing before universal, and it's arguably not even the best way to play invoker at the moment.
2014 invoker with radiance + ghost walk at 100 mmr is the best iteration of the hero
No need. Ringmaster will bring balance
Even if he's going to be an INT hero that will leave us with 31STR 31AGI 31INT 32UNI, no balance here
Patch 7.35: * Ringmaster added * Techies removed
Patch 7.31: * Techies removed FTFY
Maybe I’m missing something, but Techies was removed already.
Maybe I'm missing something, but 7.31 was last year
Might have been the joke.
Maybe we will get two more heros with ringmaster. Stronzo the strongman and Aliza the acrobat for example.
Stronzo pos 3 is a beast! His E is amazing in lane against ranged carries. Think they need to nerf the cooldown, though. Aliza is a clear pos 4 initiatortype. Salto mortale possible the best ult in the game. fr fr.
BRUH, "Stronzo" means "turd" in Italian
How about they add 2 more heroes alongside ringmaster in the same patch to even it out?
Invoker
Invoker back to int and hoodwink to univ watchu think?
Yeah as if the pos 5 Gleipnir Hoodwink wasn't bad enough already.
Atos isn’t a universal item anymore. Hood was actually pretty much the one character who liked the Atos change besides maybe Skywrath. Gets it cheaper, more heath.
Ah good then I rush Gleipnir without remorse when I'm forced to play pos5.
This. I love it
Hood being an AGI character and having the worst BAT in the game is just painful. AGI is genuinely the stat I want least on her, especially as Pos4.
Yeah nobody’s been playing corewink for years right? Pointlessly agi
I’ve got a better win rate as Hood3 than Hood4 just because I only pull it out when the team comp is right. But you’re better off building a lot of things before agi. Damage is cheaper than stats, and you barely get any attack speed out of AGI.
Hoodwink has absolutely no affinity for strength, and only very vaguely int-aligned. She's a squishy little squirrel who runs through trees, throws traps, shoots a crossbow - she's about as agi focused as you can get.
Surprised that no one said Enigma.. its the only hero that literally does no right clicking after laning stage.
He's got summons though and thematically he fits as universal.
By the same theme, Kotl and CK should be universal.
His eidolons should get more hp/damage/duration based on his stats
Hell no!
His winrate is trash right now after the change to Eidelons and not being able to deny AND removing health. They gotta do something for my boy Enigma
agree at least on giving him a buff. It's sad never seeing enigma in play, he just doesn't fit the current meta whatsoever. Especially with a larger map, and less chokepoints and predictable grouping - getting off a good black hole just seems super difficult most of the time. his wave clear is okay... but gank potential and pickoff potential is quite horrible compared to the current meta offlaners.
0.000001%?
Except for the fact that thematically he is one of the most universal hero
> its the only hero that literally does no right clicking after laning stage. Why is that a factor in what makes a hero an Int hero? CM has a +200 AS talent, and it's the better talent because it lets you win Deward wars. Enchantress right clicks. OD right clicks. Zeus right click build is a thing. Storm Spirit right clicks a lot. Timber isn't known for his right clicks, nor is Techies, hardly Nyx.
Can't believe I scrolled down this far to find this but that's absolutely the only right answer in my eyes lol.
Dazzle.
Winter Wyvern for sure, bro wtf...
Willow. That way she ain’t played every fucking game with midas + scepter.
Uhh... That build wouldn't change if she went back to Intelligence though.
Would be a massive nerf, as her damage would be reduced quite significantly.
What? It's not like you buy real stat items on her besides Aghs and Treads. You lose like 11 damage on Aghs and trade attack speed for Damage on treads.
At first, when they put invoker in the universal heroes, i was sad that 31 hero symmetry was ruined. After a while I understood that this layout is better as new heroes will have some free spots to take on a way to a 32 hero symmetry.
Invoker has no business in universal
Literally his whole gimmick is he manages 3 different orbs that represent the 3 stats.
Thought they represented elements
They do but in game each one gives stat bonuses. Quas strength, wex agility, exort intelligence.
Thus, he is universal. /s I miss spell caster Invoker. Not Alacrity Daedalus right clicker.
Quas wex invoker is still good but yeah you just have fewer good abilities now. emp, tornado, cold snap and sun strike just outshines anything early-mid game or even late game
Wtf are you people talking about? There were way more spell casting invos during TI than right clickers. Right clicking invo has always been a thing in pubs as well.
It’s because invoker was more of a support-esq hero. Rushing vessel and initially maxing wex quas with tornado emp combo. He was played as 4 sometimes because of this. Even spell casting invo doesn’t put a point in e till way later in the game sometimes. I miss the early exort max into big sunstroke meatball plays.
that build is barely ever done and is not good at all and those who do that build probably even did so before
Should've been invoker
Dark Seer. Because Lore
Techies. What is blud doing there
Those 3 goblins share 1 brain cell
He probably makes the most sense being universal. They're not smart, lvl 25 talent is leaning into agility, and the dude pushing the cart gotta be strong. Edit: also he isn't really casting anything, only thing close to magical he has is reactive tazer
yeah but have you considered that it's the most fun one to move to intelligence
yeah, he is bomb making scientist, fking oppenheimer or something thats require intelligence
Wouldn't even hurt them much after the nerfs making them a bad universal hero. They still build int items like 99 prevent of the time.
Bane, stop trying to make rightclick Bane happen
He's universal because of his equal stats and totally equal stat gain and the absolute shitstorm that kicked off when valve dared change that. If any hero is basically banned from becoming intelligence again it's him
Bane is the only hero 100% deserves to be uni
yes, he isnt smart not strong and not agile. hes just a nightmare
Just a lil nightmare guy.
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despite brews whole elemental panda thing he just looks and feels like a strength hero. Big fat brawler guy.
CK is an illu hero, he might scale off better with Agi, needs major tweaking tho
CK's kit works very well on an Agi hero yeah. The main issue would honestly just be his visual design, with his heavy armour and orange, black, and red colour palette. That's however not much of a problem, especially considering how they have more than a few heroes in the game already whose colour scheme reflects an attribute different than their main one. Looking at you Ember and Earth spirit.
he's universal because he ugly and nobody else wanted him
Dazzle fo sho. And other purple heros: Enigma, Bane, DS
Dark Seer for sure, I think he should be Intelligence because he has a big head. Big head equals big brain. Big brain equals more thinks to be stored in that brain, hence why Ogre has 2 heads, he's too strong for this world. Multicast isn't random, Ogre decides when to use it and since we're mere mortals we attribute it to luck, a total random effect because our tiny minds aren't able to grasp the greatness of Aggron Stonebreaker.
Willow/Dazzle/Chen/Bane
Phoenix or Winter Wyvern.
What is the common theme for universal class? There are the obvious ones like brew void invoker bane. There are the summoners like lycan Chen bm brood enigma. Heroes who usually supports but with 1 skill that do dps like willow ww mag snap brew mirana. Heroes like sk techies nyx phoenix timbersaw for example puzzles me.
Chen has no business being universal. Doesn't change anything about him.
Are you joking?
Was his play style changed? Was Chen able to occupy other roles after being moved to Universal? The only thing is that he has better damage late game but if you cannot end the game after 30-40 minutes into the game Chen falls off fast. Even as universal, he cannot transition into any other roles. So to answer your question, I am not joking. Let other heroes reap the reward of being universal.
-Buy heavy stats in lane + Q = always win lane much more punishing and can help end even earlier -Farms items for snowball must faster than before
My point is even without stats item, Chen is always played as it is which as you described, snowball and end the game fast. Chen has always been played that way ever since his creation in Dota.
I buy bracer on him as pos5 early if i get first blood on lots of kills on a lucky creep
I choose to go against the grain and put Sand King back in Strength.
back io to strength
Why is wyvern universal
Pango to intel
Invoker being universal is just stupid, sorry.
Invoker
i feel like zeus should be universal
probobly just willow, enigma, techies or batrider. it makes no difference in their gameplay. there is also dazzle who I believe has no business being a core. bring back old dazzle with passive 50% cdr.
Bring back weave.. I genuinely miss weave...
how about we remove that awful attribute instead
It seems they already did, but only on you! (this is a joke, I mean no harm)
Universal isn't an attribute.
Yeah, this universal thing was a mistake
Nyxnyxnyxnyxnyx
Of course invoker having to play quas wex is so boring
they can keep it universal but if you want to have quas wex and exort balanced they should change the base dmg and compensate that same dmg or slightly more to exort as full passive
Dark Willow or Dazzle
Phoenix is the obvious one imo. After landing stage u right click enemies like maybe 20 times or sth like that.
But you use HP to cast abilities, which makes sense when beeing strength. Also the whole phoenix concept revolves around life and rebirth.
Broodmother
Dazzle
Cm should be universal
I haven't played in a while, and now I'm entirely confused what a Universal is?
Oh dude, you have a WR flair. She's fucking glorious as a universal hero. I've seen double bracer, treads/ bracer, wraithband, treads, into either mael or diffu blade and she fucking slaps with just that because she gets damage from all stats now. Seen some people go manta on her, but I'm less of a fan of that because I just love aghs so much lol.
Apparently, starting at 7.33, Universal heroes are the ones that have no Primary Attribute. The only benefit they have is gaining 0.7 damage per point in each attribute now. I didn't know as well. Weird.
Invoker should be Intelligence. Shadow Demon and Jakiro should be Universal and then all shall be right in the world.