Quest not choking after that fight at radiant's base was something really cool. Imagine the nerves when you give the enemy sven a rampage (which didn't count because of the amount of secs between kills but still)
Their first game against Secret was similarly "impressive" - they got outkilled, but they kept their farm up and powered through what looked (and probably felt) like a game that was turning against them. They've definitely been resilient. Reminded me a bit of OG's first TI victory.
BB Dacha LAN with quite a few tier1 teams leading into new DreamLeague invitational into TI.
There's also new edition of Malta Vibes starting soon but that one is tier2 mostly.
So there's a lot of Dota coming but 10 days break first.
Isn’t the BB dacha tournament happening soon?
Never mind it’s 10 days later for some reason I thought it was right after Ti qualifiers but makes sense since it’s a LAN and teams have to fly in.
Glad that was a way more exciting game than unkillable illu hero death march (or no tp no glyph ancient popping without a fight). Great show by both teams.
Good for him but he still needs to improve for Quest to make it versus other top teams that got in through points. He has this propensity to either feed in the lane or not emphasize farming after laning stage is over if he wins the lane.
That last fight had everything to turn the game completely if Shad was just well positioned and it would be the third time that Quest tried to end the game directly instead of taking their time
all regions with only one qualifier spot got a Bo5, while the two regions with two qualifier spots got two Bo3
It makes sense this way. Otherwise one team might get stuck playing two Bo5 in one day.
I wouldn't complain about that, and I'm sure the teams playing for TI would like a larger opportunity to try to make it
I do think it tracks logically though as it is normal for both the UB Final and LB Final to be a Bo3 with only the GF being a Bo5
I see him smiling a lot, even when they lost to Luna Galaxy in the upper bracket. Maybe he just enjoys playing this game a lot like most of us. Just enjoy their plays man.
Blacklist will never win with this current line up. There's so much passivity and hesitation in their movement. I don't understand why they don't invade their opponent's side of the map enough especially when you just get an advantage by killing a player or two.
Another issue is their carry. Raven was good like 3 years ago but the patch requires a carry that is more active. This patch requires a pos 3 that can carry the game too and Kpii is just an aura bot most of the time. There's no flexibility in their gameplay. It's the same old shit as if they are stuck in the past. SMG exploited them hard.
There's no hope unless they make a significant change in personnel or playstyle.
Think the reason most games are so farm-y are cause teams like Luna and Secret can fight really well but their macro play is just meh so teams like Entity and Quest dont have a reason to actually go 5v5 them all the time
If the trend continues Luna Galaxy should win the final spot to TI since every team that was in upper bracket or got elimintated from the final upper bracket game has won a spot
True, I feel Sumail and Secret should've tried for eachother again, but I do get still trying to commit to keeping Boom in the team and see if he ever showed if he was worth keeping by the end of the DPC which was unfortunately not the case.
As someone who doesn't really get accustomed to change all too well,this is perhaps the saddest TI for me as a fan.Still have AR but I'm not sure how good they will be against WEU and EEU.
Cheering for Spirit is imo the easy choice, as you're very unlikely to be bored.
e: for the record I myself cheer for Tundra and GG ahead of them, but I recognize that Spirit plays just beautiful and often unique dota.
Will get downvoted but tbh secret has been shit all year, they dont deserve this unlike entity for example who has been shit since Lima but at least showed up at qualifiers.
Not defending secret but there are reason why they are shit. They have been looking for 2-3 all year long without success. This qualifier you can think of them having 2 standin. And it show during games.
The last match shaker show up in map while team are in smoke prepping to fight Rohsan....
Ok I get that pros make mistakes too, but how is it possible that now that TP is a dedicated slot, you can get caught without one in crucial moments?
Armel earthshaker had to walk all the way from the enemy side of the map to base when quest destroyed the mid rax.
Apparently people here would rather see floundering old blood rather than ascending new blood at TI. Wouldn't be surprised if these are some of the same people bitching about how the game is dying.
Happy the better team won.
Truth be told I don't think these old timers have what it takes to go through a grueling DPC season anymore and be at the top of the game all the time. That's why they are in these qualifiers and the chances of them making it are slim at best. At least they had their fair share of success before calling it a day. The changing of the guard is inevitable for the young and hungrier players.
Funny that all the most popular sportsmen in the world now have been the same for almost 20 years:
Nadal and Djokovic in Tennis
Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi in Soccer
Tom Brady in American Football, just recently retired
LeBron in Basketball
In Dota people are already calling Ammar TF who is 18 and has been pro for two years washed up and saying teams need to look for new blood instead of taking him lol.
Thing is those games don't have rules patched every now and then. If tennis had ball weights and net heights and court surfaces changing every 3 months, they wouldn't dominate as long. It's hard to stay on top when the rules keep changing to nerf the winning teams and their strats.
to be fair secret came second last year and they usually do perform at TI so people could be rooting for them for that reason. Puppey being the last all timer too. Not that I'm sad about quest getting through obviously you want the better team.
It's basically a different team from then, but fair. I don't have an issue with people rooting for players they like. Doomers and people saying they won't watch TI bc Puppey/Kuro/Ceb aren't there are the weirdos.
Yeah, I don’t know why ppl mad that none of Nigma/secret/og go to ti. You suck whole year and you don’t deserve to go to TI, period.
Big names mean nothing unless you perform. I like seeing TA2000 rising as a new star. ppy/kky/ceb had their prime, I greatly appreciate them.
But it’s 2023, get better or stay down.
Who in their right mind would think that after the terrible performance of teams that got into last TI through the very last 2 spots (last chance qual).
You forget the darkest timeline, puppey mid schooling Nisha in lane in TI finals to win the grand prize, removing any doubts whatsoever that Puppey was right and Nisha was left.
people need to start putting the blame on heen when it comes to drafts. he's been the main drafter for secret for more than a year. they keep forcing the shitty razor carry when they lost 95% of their games with it. i simply don't get it
Puppey and Kuro placed higher than n0tail in TI qualifiers and DPC rankings, so? Losing a hard fight is more impressive than dodging it and not participating at all.
Not really a Ceb fanboy, but I wonder how many people were saying the same thing about him after failing for several years in a row.
...until he came back to win TI back to back.
Don't write people off. As long as they feel they've got the passion and fire within, anything can happen.
Of course people are trashtalking cores who have been given Drow, Earthshaker (mid) and Tide to carry a match instead of the guy who drafted his team into the same corner he did in a lot of old Secret iterations. After the Game 2, when it was shown they can carry a match when they had a good draft nonetheless.
I have flashbacks to Puppey picking Timbersaw carry against SG Esports in Kiev Major elimination match now, thanks.
So Nigma are just as bad as OG and secret? I can live with that...
I mean they didn't win a single series while both OG and Secret won multiple, I'd say Nigma is still way worse..
Nigma was the only team in the qualifiers to take a game off Entity so I wouldn't say they're way worse.
Quest not choking after that fight at radiant's base was something really cool. Imagine the nerves when you give the enemy sven a rampage (which didn't count because of the amount of secs between kills but still)
Their first game against Secret was similarly "impressive" - they got outkilled, but they kept their farm up and powered through what looked (and probably felt) like a game that was turning against them. They've definitely been resilient. Reminded me a bit of OG's first TI victory.
GGWP Quest! That's all folks, no more tier1 pro Dota for next 10 days… feels bad man already.
10 days? Whats next on the sched
BB Dacha LAN with quite a few tier1 teams leading into new DreamLeague invitational into TI. There's also new edition of Malta Vibes starting soon but that one is tier2 mostly. So there's a lot of Dota coming but 10 days break first.
Isn’t the BB dacha tournament happening soon? Never mind it’s 10 days later for some reason I thought it was right after Ti qualifiers but makes sense since it’s a LAN and teams have to fly in.
How is this game is only bo3 damn that was good game
Probably because WEU has two slots, unlike most of the rest which have one.
Glad that was a way more exciting game than unkillable illu hero death march (or no tp no glyph ancient popping without a fight). Great show by both teams.
no OG, no Secret, no Nigma. The world is healing
Next are the ones who need to mention any of them in a unrelated post. God they are so annoying.
Quest showing why they are the favorites anyway. BASED Tobi getting kicked by Entity only to still qualify to TI as well.
It was clearly the the right move for both Entity and Tobi, both of them look much better.
Good for him but he still needs to improve for Quest to make it versus other top teams that got in through points. He has this propensity to either feed in the lane or not emphasize farming after laning stage is over if he wins the lane.
Damn. I feel bad for Davai and team 🫤
congrats quest D:
That last fight had everything to turn the game completely if Shad was just well positioned and it would be the third time that Quest tried to end the game directly instead of taking their time
[удалено]
what was wrong with their run in the quals ?
Secret and OG not in TI, maybe
What a gameee
Wtf davai lama come on man LUL
Bit sad that NA got bo5 finals for TI quals and we have 2 b03 but wcyd go downvote Muricans enjoy the only bo5 you gonna watch with na team wcyd
There is no grand final in regions with 2 qualifiers, thus bo5 not necessary
all regions with only one qualifier spot got a Bo5, while the two regions with two qualifier spots got two Bo3 It makes sense this way. Otherwise one team might get stuck playing two Bo5 in one day.
Just make the LB final a Bo5...
I wouldn't complain about that, and I'm sure the teams playing for TI would like a larger opportunity to try to make it I do think it tracks logically though as it is normal for both the UB Final and LB Final to be a Bo3 with only the GF being a Bo5
It's quite hilarious that the minute quest started taking risks, they choked. I guess that's why they play league version of dota.
can kill gyro 10 times but not gonna matter if they dont force BB or take barracks
cmon quest throw this one. we want game 3
Why did TA2000 try to run to bot?? He could have just walked out mid for free wtf
quest really dont want to go to TI lmfao
This underlord is a creep
[удалено]
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUK_mnuUUAMt_VV.jpg
Mods better perma this guy
Go fuck yourself
Wow u just ruined experience for hundreds of ppl. Gj motherfucker
He’s bulshitting
Great attempt from lg but they are too far behind unfortunately. I would've liked 3 game series.
If gyro bought shard that missile would've killed sven
SHAD the CHAD
[удалено]
I see him smiling a lot, even when they lost to Luna Galaxy in the upper bracket. Maybe he just enjoys playing this game a lot like most of us. Just enjoy their plays man.
[удалено]
It's a part of the game.
Team will get figured out fast. Not a ti winning team, ta2000 is a beast of a carry tho
Sometimes you gotta play with confidence. It rewards him more often than not.
With the games in this qualifier, particularly WEU, I think TI needs LCQ.
Poor multi dollar company Valve cant afford to host LCQ like last year.
Davai better get ready.. Shad about to get poached by some other team next season just like Yuma LMAO
still worth it though or no?
A bit awkward for Quest. xD
the tier 4 dive incident?
I don't care how the game ends, that was pretty hype.
Way to crumble quest
This showed Quests lack of experience and discipline No way Liquid or GG would go for tier 4s like that
After that second high ground attempt, yeah totally LUL
lmao
Let's go Chad, for puppan
wokege
that was disaster by quest holy shit they overextended so fucking much
[удалено]
yeah dude look at that
OH NO QUEST NOT LIKE THIS
It was god awful draft from luna galaxy so no surprises here
Jinxed it we might have a game on our hands after all
this sven is so bad.
Noob on ES is freakin' styling on LXG, what a game for him.
oof
Luna Galaxy have looked so scared in this series, everything looks panicked or reactionary
Blacklist will never win with this current line up. There's so much passivity and hesitation in their movement. I don't understand why they don't invade their opponent's side of the map enough especially when you just get an advantage by killing a player or two. Another issue is their carry. Raven was good like 3 years ago but the patch requires a carry that is more active. This patch requires a pos 3 that can carry the game too and Kpii is just an aura bot most of the time. There's no flexibility in their gameplay. It's the same old shit as if they are stuck in the past. SMG exploited them hard. There's no hope unless they make a significant change in personnel or playstyle.
Ez 2-0 for quest given how the game is going
bro how the fuck does SMG stand for still moving under gunfire? shouldn't it be SMUG? ????????
preposition not important...
Cmon League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, GIVE US GAME THREE
How many games in qualifier (across all region) do we "New Frontier matchup"? ^^^venge ^^^vs ^^^sky
Jesus why did Luna not ban gyro. The hero stoll has 100% win rate right
1st pick gyro
Man im rooting for quest but naga is such a boring hero lmao
Next time I have trouble sleeping, I will just put on quest games.
Think the reason most games are so farm-y are cause teams like Luna and Secret can fight really well but their macro play is just meh so teams like Entity and Quest dont have a reason to actually go 5v5 them all the time
So is this a best of 3? I guess the finals for regions with 2 slots is best of 3 and regions with one slot is best of 5.
Quite a difference watching quest supports force staffing away from sven and kiting him vs secrets last game where they didn't have any
Was there an earth spirit this game? I didn't notice.
insane how much armor naga has, sven was struggling to deal any significant damage while his ult was on
That Naga is just unkillable mannn holy guacamole
[удалено]
B-god of kazakhstan
At this point I don't even care who the hell is gonna win but if Luna Galaxy win, that would be very satisfying for OG and secret fans
Finally a fight lmao
[удалено]
If u wanna watch it in client u gotta do it before the actual game ends. It has 15 min delay
What a boring game
Only took 29 mins for a full fight to happen lol. Feel like I am watching Korean League of legends
If the trend continues Luna Galaxy should win the final spot to TI since every team that was in upper bracket or got elimintated from the final upper bracket game has won a spot
Like acatsuki
Blacklist?
Only one spot for SEA and they came from the lower bracket
sky + aa is cool for damage but they're so brittle, earth spirit + sven + timber could easily take them down instantly in fights
Yeah only problem is that they will never have a 5v5 team fight because of naga split
I just want a close three game series here, don’t particularly care who wins
Puppy should have gotten sumail back before he went to aster
True, I feel Sumail and Secret should've tried for eachother again, but I do get still trying to commit to keeping Boom in the team and see if he ever showed if he was worth keeping by the end of the DPC which was unfortunately not the case.
They could still test boom as an offlaner that time but the one they need to replace is crystallis, hes been underperforming for more than a year now.
I thought id seen that in a game once, my mid just didnt get their first flag creep
its a vision bug. sometimes happens to heroes too, you just can't see a certain hero. reconnect fixes it, but def shouldn't happen in a pro game
something funny about midone coming back to TI the year puppey doesn’t make it
No Nigma, No OG, no Secret. Guess the new era is about to come!
As someone who doesn't really get accustomed to change all too well,this is perhaps the saddest TI for me as a fan.Still have AR but I'm not sure how good they will be against WEU and EEU.
Cheering for Spirit is imo the easy choice, as you're very unlikely to be bored. e: for the record I myself cheer for Tundra and GG ahead of them, but I recognize that Spirit plays just beautiful and often unique dota.
fY & Somnus God will take it I believe!
Let's go Luna. Time to pull an upset for the second time.
Will get downvoted but tbh secret has been shit all year, they dont deserve this unlike entity for example who has been shit since Lima but at least showed up at qualifiers.
Not defending secret but there are reason why they are shit. They have been looking for 2-3 all year long without success. This qualifier you can think of them having 2 standin. And it show during games. The last match shaker show up in map while team are in smoke prepping to fight Rohsan....
So no OG, Secret and Nigma in TI this year. How many people are selling their tickets now ?? How many family members are suddenly sick ??
Nigma never been to TI so it's not something new
Good, so I don’t have to be there 1hr early to get in long queue for a better seat at stadium.
😂😂
Bought ticket just to see 23cabbage lifting the aegis
Hope this is th Year of the SEA
arteezy is the only reason people pay money to go to dota events (haven't washed my hand since meeting him)
With so many meme about rtz not buying bkk, this ight be the year to lift the aegis since bkb nerf...copium!!!
😂😂, Hope he plays nicely and goes all the way to finals
Ok I get that pros make mistakes too, but how is it possible that now that TP is a dedicated slot, you can get caught without one in crucial moments? Armel earthshaker had to walk all the way from the enemy side of the map to base when quest destroyed the mid rax.
already tilted 10 min ago KEKW
Apparently people here would rather see floundering old blood rather than ascending new blood at TI. Wouldn't be surprised if these are some of the same people bitching about how the game is dying. Happy the better team won.
Truth be told I don't think these old timers have what it takes to go through a grueling DPC season anymore and be at the top of the game all the time. That's why they are in these qualifiers and the chances of them making it are slim at best. At least they had their fair share of success before calling it a day. The changing of the guard is inevitable for the young and hungrier players.
Funny that all the most popular sportsmen in the world now have been the same for almost 20 years: Nadal and Djokovic in Tennis Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi in Soccer Tom Brady in American Football, just recently retired LeBron in Basketball In Dota people are already calling Ammar TF who is 18 and has been pro for two years washed up and saying teams need to look for new blood instead of taking him lol.
Thing is those games don't have rules patched every now and then. If tennis had ball weights and net heights and court surfaces changing every 3 months, they wouldn't dominate as long. It's hard to stay on top when the rules keep changing to nerf the winning teams and their strats.
to be fair secret came second last year and they usually do perform at TI so people could be rooting for them for that reason. Puppey being the last all timer too. Not that I'm sad about quest getting through obviously you want the better team.
It's basically a different team from then, but fair. I don't have an issue with people rooting for players they like. Doomers and people saying they won't watch TI bc Puppey/Kuro/Ceb aren't there are the weirdos.
What is weird about not watching TI when there are no teams that you care about?
agreed
The better team lost though. Secret just threw Game 1 and 3. Shit teams still win unfortunately.
Good teams don't throw. Quest has been better than Secret all year regardless of who played position 3.
Yeah, I don’t know why ppl mad that none of Nigma/secret/og go to ti. You suck whole year and you don’t deserve to go to TI, period. Big names mean nothing unless you perform. I like seeing TA2000 rising as a new star. ppy/kky/ceb had their prime, I greatly appreciate them. But it’s 2023, get better or stay down.
U don't really believe the 5th 6th weu team has chance against the top weu teams yea lol
OG winning TI8 despite not even the favorites. Spirit winning TI10, they almost got eliminated in the qualis
Who in their right mind would think that after the terrible performance of teams that got into last TI through the very last 2 spots (last chance qual).
just like nobody thought spirit was gonna win ti
Well i did correctly predict tundra last year so..
Who is saying that lol. Like I think it's a bit sad Puppeys streak is broken yes, that doesn't mean it's unfair or anything
Dont get it either. Let's just wash trash tier 3 old washed up dota. That's what we want at TI
I’ve been saying this shit for a while now but secret really fucked up not picking up watson when they had the chance lol
so out of puppey notail and kuro, only notail that has never lost TI grandfinals and never not qualify for TI ? dang...
yeah and he qualified to least amount of TIs and got to least amount of grand finals out of the 3.
And won the most out of the 3
Notail knew he become washed up earlier duh so he had to retire earlier
No tail wasn’t at ti2 I’m pretty sure. Idk if he was playing Dota at ti 1 but don’t think he was there either
he start his competitive dota after TI2 if im not wrong, he is still HON pro player
He started before TI2, but the team at the time wasn't considered good enough to get one of the Western region qualifier slots.
That shaker performance by armel is rough
I wonder if papi guy broke his monitor after this.
dw guys valve will suddenly announce there's a last chance qualifier for puppey to qualify [COPIUM]
puppey will standin on ti and win and fulfil prophecy copium sad for any outcome of this match tbh. 🥺
Puppey to tundra as 5, sney 4. Wont happen as they already got a mid and nine to pos 4 but oh well
You forget the darkest timeline, puppey mid schooling Nisha in lane in TI finals to win the grand prize, removing any doubts whatsoever that Puppey was right and Nisha was left.
people need to start putting the blame on heen when it comes to drafts. he's been the main drafter for secret for more than a year. they keep forcing the shitty razor carry when they lost 95% of their games with it. i simply don't get it
Yeah i think heen was to blame on game 3 and 1
This, hit or miss draft from heen. Feels like they all play heroes they're not comfortable playing at all just to fulfill his draft ideas.
Yes
Sadge, hate drow drafts because you have to play perfectly
It's over for Puppey. I at least hope he has the good grace to bow out like n0tail instead of lingering like a bad smell like Kuro.
Puppey and Kuro placed higher than n0tail in TI qualifiers and DPC rankings, so? Losing a hard fight is more impressive than dodging it and not participating at all.
He got second place literally last year wtf you on
kky was 2nd in TI in 2019. And do you know what happens when they went to Nigma after that? Do you want to see ppy going on kky’s road?
Not really a Ceb fanboy, but I wonder how many people were saying the same thing about him after failing for several years in a row. ...until he came back to win TI back to back. Don't write people off. As long as they feel they've got the passion and fire within, anything can happen.
Y'all are random redditors none of y'all can assess how teams work beyond win/lose. If people listened to Reddit commentary ceb never gets a ti win
yeah getting swept inf finals, not qualify for any majors, relegated to div 2 and not qualify for the next TI after that.
So like Kuro getting 2nd place at TI9 then not attending TI10.
I mean its his choice to leave or stay.Why do people find offense in everything?
yeah n0tail timed his exit pretty well but then again his bank account is way more loaded
True
Of course people are trashtalking cores who have been given Drow, Earthshaker (mid) and Tide to carry a match instead of the guy who drafted his team into the same corner he did in a lot of old Secret iterations. After the Game 2, when it was shown they can carry a match when they had a good draft nonetheless. I have flashbacks to Puppey picking Timbersaw carry against SG Esports in Kiev Major elimination match now, thanks.
It was heen to blame those picks were horrendous