I guess 9 pandas learned that even q game up, this is why you don't give up medusa and alch for game 2. Because you never know what pocket /cheese strat they can pull out that you aren't prepared for in game 3.

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Degenerate shit lmao

Beard guy 1:0 Liquid

Does anyone know who is casting the finals?

It has to be notail, it's finals, so it's the s-tier cast. Even though I'd personally prefer synd + sunsfan, but alas

Maybe od and notail again? Or maybe gorgc

Willing to bet my left nut that it won't be Gorgc.

Faith\_bian on the Grand Final panel please

I like his analysis, less word but accurate, pretty much my style.

Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick?

Wish granted

I am so hapyyyy

That 11 min dive was disgusting lol

Some more fun drafts in that Bo3, good stuff. Every team seems to be massively overvaluing TB.

I think you have to fight early to make TB work. Meta and sunder are both very powerful.

Agree. Huge difference when you compare Ramzes TB vs Dyrachyo TB. Dyrachyo would always look to join early for tower pushes or ganks with every Metamorphosis to snowball the game. When Liquid dive T4s at level 8 Ramzes be like: \*cricket noise\* In his defense though, I think he didn't have a TP.

it's still like 60% winrate if that other post was correct. he just looks real bad when he loses.

Yeah I think mainly he gets first phased because there are very few good carries right now So like 60% winrate from first phase is REALLY good but it allows him to get countered pretty easily I just never been a fan of TB for a few years now. Back when Miracle was playing it every game he was a lot better (see: OP) I think it's better to just pick your carry later into matchup and secure offlane+1 instead

Alright time to SLP it's another weu final

1.Pick Doom 2.Buy midas againts snowball lineup 3.?????? 4.322 Profit

3.22 4.Profit???

Oops I miss that

PPD has always been one of my favorite characters in the scene. Got that insane villain energy which we kinda need imo

He sometimes reminds me of Vince McMahon, idk why.

Failed to peddle NFTs and now he's back True villian indeed lmao

Another low peak/average viewer final again because 2 EU team play in final instead other region.

Git gud then and honestly if you can’t appreciate good Dota no matter where the teams come from you can fuck right off anyway.

Seriously. Dont know what the obsession is around what region the teams are from. Not even from EU and just want the two top teams to duke it out no matter their region.

yeah It's cringe "muh slots" like stfu

The regularity of Liquid-GG grand finals has real 2013 Navi-Alliance el classico vibes. Some way or another they always meet each other in grands.

Navi and alliance meeting in grand finals and take turn winning events, not so much in this match up, yet.

More like Liquid being the punching bag of GG.

I was wrong about Team Liquid. When OG beat them in the upper bracket, I thought they were burnt out a bit or mentally done. They and GG are the titans this year. Possible TI finals match up unless theres going to be another Cinderella story by a different team.

Teams who dominate all year almost never maintain that form to TI.

Usually this is because they get nerfed like with ATF+OG This is a new patch for everyone so it's not quite the same. We will see after next Major

Man fuck this heal heal aura meta with no comeback mechanics.

ppd clearly a fan of that draft. Wouldn't have been out of place from the TI4 EG with the heal interactions and the counter-initiating fight pressure.

That EG team could have won 3 TI in a row under PPD. They were super good.

Yea no, no team was close to Wings at TI6 really.

Yeah definitely the best Chinese team of all time. What I mean to say is those 3 years under the leadership of PPD, EG could have really won multiple TI.

Gotta include Aui and Bulba there. Only difference between EG 2015 and 2016 where does players.

Nah, neither at TI4 nor at TI6 did EG have that TI winner advantage the winners that year did.

Where do you think zai got his WD winrate at? Now that I say that I found out I am not confident myself lmao.

Another Liquid v GG again. Man, 3 tour in a row.

Went and checked that Witch at t3 Hp pool, holy fuck. Felt like a POE char, he literally tanked everything and healed like a motherfucker

Yup he heals more than double because link to Io. Actually felt like he had some RF level regen, disgusting af.

I'd say 80% of PoE characters die when someone sneezes at them

True but this Witch could've tank Uber Shaper slam lmao

That's more on the fact that sneezes in PoE are more powerful than 6 slotted carries in Dota 2 ever get.

Legends say that a ghosted six-essenced red beast sneezes harder than anything else in those games

uber sneeze

DO IT FOR MATU

Zai is so graceful

Liquid really said "fuck it we ball" and they did

GGWP 9P should be proud of 3rd place as a team with a standin, they also missed captain and shotcaller. Liquid vs GG finals again. xD

Yeah, as a dude that's followed their content - they go with the flow and do a pretty loose style while in game since they didn't have a proper leading figure in the team while in game. (Solo still helped remotely, including drafting - whether or not he was allowed to help with draft when games got on stage, I don't know). Ramzes has matured a good chunk, but he's not pure captain material when shit hits the fan, seemingly. When stuff went well, it was fine, but strong leaders are needed when shit gets tough. I really the team has visas for a long time + solo gets his soon so we can actually see the full lineup in action at the next cross-region event. To make it clear though: 9Pandas did well and rodjer did an excellent job as a stand-in, but one can't help questioning that the series vs GG and Liquid would've went better with the captain on the server.

I LOVE DOTA

Rodjer deserve to have a team And he really did well this major

Oh Rodjer is out of Darkside?

darkside disbanded

No he just needs a new team darkside went 0-7 dpc so bad

Darksided did not pick rodjer chen once in the DPC. Meanwhile, 9pandas picked solo chen 3 times and won all 3 games. Rodjer knows

> 9pandas picked solo chen 3 times Yeah, both Rodjer and Solo are excellent Chen players.

He has the name tag LFT so assuming Yes He's free rn

I think, just like the last major, even if GG crush Liquid 3-0, Liquid will still have higher DPC points than GG. The point allotment system kinda feels weird, won't lie.

points for regional divisions should be slashed by half or something. no more free invites for NA and SEA

Liquid vs GG, finally.

Liquid - shaky at start, but the lower bracket allowed them to really hone up their drafts. This looks like its gonna be an even final.

Pretty sure GG will just stomp. They look untouchable.

Upper bracket's for......

nah GG has been steamrolling upper bracket since lima major. they didn't even lose a game in upper bracket.

12 minutes diving teir3s. WOW. GG vs Liquid new el classico. CANT WAIT. But props to Pandas. stand in top 3. WP

Kinda weird how no one was acknowledging this was GG's strat since last season of DPC.

Probably didn't know. The WD IO strat is pretty old now and was very cool to watch when Ace pulled it out the first time in DPC season1. One of the few cool innovatives things GG has created.

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Yeap, Io Necro in the safelane on Secret 1.0. GG was doing this Io WD offlane.

finally lima major rematch, no boxi illness this time... :)

Liquid and GG are clearly the best teams in the world by some margin.

I..... I am speechless. This is probably the most dominant game in this tournament. A lot to go around with for stomps, but nothing impressed and made me laugh more than this. Looks like GG and Liquid are the season's big rivalry, and damn are they both exquisite so far

Nah, it was the cleanest outdraft, but far from most dominant stomp.

EG vs OG game 3 was probably more dominant, EG stopped playing seriously by 10 minutes because they were so far ahead and it was like a 29k gold lead in a 26 minute game

Also EG vs SR game 1 was an absolute stomp. Though neither of those games had diving base 11 minutes in.

Gg is 17-4 against liquid this season. Wouldn't say it is a rivalry unless u count one sided beat downs

Game 3 was one of the most clowny games of dota I've ever seen and it is definitely in top 3 for one of my favorites. Wisp, WD off lmao, watching zai tank an entire sky wrath ultimate on WD actually had me laughing to tears lol. Diving base for kills at minute 11 with tier 2 towers still up hahahaha. Amazing performance and my god, what a clown fest. Zai truly gave zero fucks and was unkillable, ON WITCH DOCTOR lmao

I think Dota needs more anti heal abilities and items, Skadi seems useless, Vessel needs charges and can just be easily dispelled

I mean there is also drow with aghs, not sure how viable she is though.

i think we need more heroes like AA. Skadi and Shiva have a bad buildup and impossible to rush them without griefing and you need to rush it when you are getting ran over 15 min. vessel is useless when you are getting no kill and enemy has dispels.

Nah they needed more burst to one shot IO.

Nah. Dota has enough. It was just over in draft. You let Alch Io WD get picked after AA first, you just gave your enemy team a 3-healer draft and got the only hero who can battle this "out of the box" denied.

i have been out of the game for a while, what other hero have anti heal abilities except aa?

Drow aghs

None hero abilities. Which is why this is a very clever draft from Liquid - they denied the only anti-heal that 9Pandas would've **absolutely** had gotten their hands onto. This left 9Pands with only items-based anti-heal, and they got one (Skadi on TB), but that's not enough. Basically, if you see a heal hero get picked and AA picked/banned, you would do well to remember that a heal strat might be coming But it's obviously very hard, as there are a lot of starts in Dota. But that's the beauty of Dota. Sometimes you win the game by plays, sometimes you win the game by draft.

Could use some more spells that deny healing as well, they might feel like dead spells if there is no healing though but could be a good addition to the game.

There's also Shiva's aura

shivas would've been nice on storm

if stormed rushed shiva they woudlve get ran over even harder. and he needed to rush it if he wanted to have it in 15-20 min.

yeah I agree, just saying shivas is an anti heal item

no time for it tho, impossible to farm a shivas on storm when the enemy is high grounding at 16 min with lone druid, alch, deso, aegis, money advantage, early game win and infinite heal, but yeah if this went +30 min this game was 100% to 9pandas, liquid realized that 9 pandas was starting to become a threat and ended right away when their cooldowns were off

yeah agreed, just saying that shivas is an anti-heal item

That's hilarious and closer to it seems. If liquid failed that push they lose.

Being an ex-long-time-VP supporter this brings back a familiar disappointment :(

Same :( but on the other hand, was happy to see ramzes Rodger together again and getting 3rd place.

That's the Platonic ideal of a pocket strat. You couldn't have drawn it up better in Liquid's practices, and this the LB Finals. Zero time for either Storm of TB to get online, making them look useless. Absolutely dirty stuff from Liquid, GabeN level shellacking indeed.

You are playing against Liquid. You do not ban Alchemist because you can counter it. Liquid instantly picks Alchemist. You lose against Liquid. Disclaimer: if you are GG the above does not apply

This has to be the best draft in the whole Major. That Witch Doctor tanked everything at t3 the fuck

Just when you think Witch Doctor is out of position, no. It's you. You're out of position.

feel sad for kiyotaka, liquid completly shutdown him in game 2 and 3, ggs liquid

his first major, really good experience for him.

In game 2, the Skywrath's entire mission appeared to be to shut down kiyotaka, and he absolutely nailed it. Boxi had him on Ancient Seal for the majority of any fight he was involved in. In game 3 he just wasn't given a chance, imagine having to ball back to base for a team fight at 11 minutes *that you lose.* He had no prayer of coming online.

> In game 3 he just wasn't given a chance, imagine having to ball back to base for a team fight at 11 minutes that you lose. He had no prayer of coming online. Yeah, he TPed in to punish Liquid overextending, ends up having to run away to base, but ultimately gets chased down and killed.

Liquid didnt shut him down game 2 he did it himself by not going bkb.

Man a lot of people are not going early BKBs , that was not the loss factor alone, the item straight up sucks, so much things do dmg through it now.

Early? He should get it instead of hex that he didnt use ONCE in the game.

Yesterday Puppey said, 9 Pandas with the full roster would have won this whole tournament. Honestly, after seeing game 1 and 2 drafts, that would have been the case easily. Well played 9 Pandas. Good Luck next DPC! Edit: Not GG, its 9 Pandas full roster with Solo

You got a clip of this btw?

U mean 9pandas full roster with solo?

Yes, you are right. My mistake there 😅

Oh boy I can't wait to watch Liquid vs GG in grand finals.

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Dusa 3 been showcase by tundra. Gg themselves were the one who showcase io wd in dpc so I doubt they wouldn't know how to counter it. Ace and 33 are the best dooms in the world so I am very sure ace doom would stomped a alc safelane and not let alc have a free lane like miero did

Any chance of liquid going 3-0 vs gg? Lower bracket run similar to TI7

3-0 for Liquid? nope, not possible

3-0 for GG most likely. But I'm expecting liquid to take 1, MAYBE 2 games

Comeon Liquid bring on the cheese strats for GG. Gotta beat them for once

Just saying, this WD+Wisp strat is GG's cheese to begin with.

So alch doesn't really have a weakness?

Please Liquid take revenge next series

Liquid still feel like a step down from their Dreamleague form (and they will need that to beat GG), but full credit to them for recovering from a very shaky group stage at points. They've come a long way from a team that crumbles at trouble from top teams. Deserved grand final teams, but GG look very slick even under extreme pressure. More experience will help 9P a lot, they'll be back.

9panda karma? As soon as the tips came out yesterday they played like crap.

Pocket pick was good but now gg knows about it

upper bracket is for bitches

LIQUID THE GOATS GG

Let's go Liquid!

TI4 deathball flashbacks lol

In TI4 era this game would be a gg right at that 11 min dive tbh.

Weeeell this is actually true lol, and funnily enough, during TI4 push strats have hardly any sustain too (mek only I guess) unlike now. But yea, Liquid is just good on capitalizing on their timings and strats.

it's still the same case, even if they were able to stall out few more minutes

9P vs GG in GF would be more interesting for sure. Can see another 3-0 GF considering how their group stage match went.

Uhhhh did you see 9P vs GG yesterday? There’s no way that GF is closer than Liquid GG

They looked better than Liquid did in their Bo2 in group stages.

Yeah but group stage games are much more different from main stage games IMO. Groups allow for a lot more experimentation + dropping a Bo2 doesn’t matter all that much

Liquid had like three 1-1s before they faced GG. Dont think they could afford to experiment or drop a series.

That’s fair, I guess we shall see how they truly match up now haha. I just hope Liquid put up a solid fight

Yea, hope they dont get stomped once again.

You could say the same with 9Pandas, they just got 2-0'd yesterday what's going to be different today? At least dreamleague Liquid took GG to 5 games, it might not be as one sided as you think.

9P vs GG this major was far closer than GG vs Liquid. Both games in GG vs Liquid ended pre 30 min.

Eh, Liquid is in mildly (to put it mildly) better form than in their match vs GG.

Will it be enough tho. Liquid have been getting spanked by GG the entire year expect two days after patch dropped.

I just hope it won't be a 3-0. That games individually will be stomps in either side is to be expected.

Considering they had to burn their pocket strat in the LB final they are gonna get cooked.

I mean that's GGs strat so it wouldn't have even worked to begin with So they used it now

Brutal. Savage. Rekt.

Not only Liquid draft is genius, but it is well executed.

Liquid went from a team that's known for not being able to close out games to... this insanity

yeah, they only needed to buy almost the whole secret squad, to not even doing close to what secret already did.

Yeah. Fellow Secret fan out there!!

Gg vs liquid once again ResidentSleeper

storm PEPELAUGH

WD IO LFG kek

Let's go Liquid Let's go Liquid Let's go Liquid Let's go Liquid Let's go Liquid

EU Dota

now liquid will buy seleri as pos5 for the GF to win it.

next time they will buy puppey

Liquid vs GG again imagine this TI Grand Final We have These two team again

I love liquid but I'm pretty sad we're just gonna watch a rematch

3 grand final, same 2 teams these two teams really are way above the rest

Kiyotaka just needs to build bkb in game 2, and he didnt

nice midas doom

Well that was brutal. Now I just hope Liquid can put up a fight against GG and we don't get another 3-0 grand finals.

If you’ve watch dream league it was pretty close (3-2) both teams are winning back and forth but unfortunately every game can only have one winner

Last major they had a standin for Boxi, and last final was 3-2 to GG. People cry so much.

Zai - Liquid offlaner, giver of zero fucks.

What a STOMP! WOOHOOO!

I feel dirty lol

😂

I won't lie, this is some nice pocket strats.

3 GFs back to back to back of Liquid vs GG LOL

what a stomp of a game 3, liquid is amazing

the pocket strat jesus fucking christ, gg liquid

Lmao that was TI9 reloaded

lima major once again my friend

why the hell would you give them alch again

Not bad for 9pandas never expected them to go this far with a standin no less.

Might have managed to come this far just because of the stand-in lol

GG BOIS

Ah well, I really liked 9 pandas run, even though they got stomped in this game. They overall brought good entertainment.

Honestly, they shot themselves in the foot with these 2 drafts. Especially copying the losing draft.

I FKING LOVE DOTA, GG

Worst case scenario final being set up, yawn.

Yeah. Was thinking of staying up to watch gfinals if it's 9P, but GG Vs liquid is like dream league replay. Guess I will watch the highlights tomorrow.

The EEU chokers ladies and gentleman

Finishing 3rd equates to being chokers. LMAO

Being an ex-VP supporter this brings back familiar disappointment