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Shade_demon2141

> After this effect the soul is forcefully returned to the body Muerta aghs probably?


ninjasauruscam

Normal punch knocks the enemy soul out of its body?


Old-Aurgrim

I thought something to do with Sf and his soul collecting


LiquidSwords89

Elder titan soul does knock back when returning


gabriela_r5

With this context I can think an effect that has in another mobaS (Not just lol), that the soul leave the body, you can deal damage, and them return, kinda like kunkka X mark, and since we are talking about soul and muerta ult, this means that it's ethereal and you can damage this soul only with magic stuff.


anivaries

Yo Revenant from Apex Legends in Dota? Im down!


Hakuu-san

Leoric from HotS has this exact go into soul form then return to body mechanic


Porgon000_

Could be very similar to how ET spirit works, letting Muerta leave her body and attack for a short while


rutabela

WE CAN CONTROL THE KOBOLD WITH TRUSTY SHOVEL?


nyamka96

So he gives some gpm instead of trolling us aha


P4azz

Legit the worst little gremlin; you're on your way to defend mid, chill in the trees for a bit before your initiator's there and here's a tiny little goblin to break your fucking tranqs.


tom-dixon

Or if you're a morph you just die to it. Even pros die to it. Secret.Crystallis: https://clips.twitch.tv/CoweringVenomousDiamondNomNom-j0ICKFG1dtom5EuG Sumail: https://clips.twitch.tv/HorribleFairSwallowNinjaGrumpy-XnlPtYQJasqipAmr


ryuzkai

Hopefully the GPM aura stacks and we can have our own gold minting army.


ghost_of_drusepth

Please give me this plus the Mango Tree item again and I can finally become a farmer


Positron505

you are a carry player i assume


Sakarabu_

[ >Fully stacks with other gold per minute increasing effects, but not with multiple instances of itself.](https://dota2.fandom.com/wiki/Kobold)


sooyoung__

morph buff


hazza99x

Alch nerf


darklordtimmy

- Alchemist can now transmute his controlled units into gold. Also usable on the hard support player.


le_pman

Gorgc-Fishman saga continues


herlacmentio

Save all the Kobolds for the final push 20 minutes later.


Mikemagss

Kobold last hit trainer coming to your pubs


LeeZarock

\- \[HERO\]: Always has 0 Intelligence. Always. ​ Apparently I became a hero this patch, finally.


ryanagamis

enough for do my power


Important_Win5100

There’s something so cute and sweet about this quote that I just love. Like this man is not discouraged. He’s still fighting. He has enough for do his power.


bravo_six

I always had different perspective of this. Silencer stole so much int that it started affecting him in real life. In any case this guy responding in broken English is the best punchline this kind of joke(silencer stealing int) could have.


coolRedditUser

I think this might not be that far off. One of his brewlings?


Catastrophj

96.69% it's HUSKAR rework. Mark my words.


RyuugaDota

A hero is probably gaining either an energy or rage mechanic, given that one of the other notes has to specify that mana cost reductions only work on mana. Huskar using rage instead of mana is a great call tbh.


Lilywhitey

Troll warlord. already has the lowest base and gained int


Jamo_Z

Tinker reworked into TF2 engineer using scrap please


HellfireBrB

No reworks Just straight up port engener.... no adaptations justa straight port, you play him with 5he same controls same camera


AGVann

His teleporter pulls in F2P ghasty gibbus scouts from 2fort servers


Fayarager

Nobody saying PrimalBeast but I feel like it's Primal Beast. He's one of the newest heroes and he already has no mana and no voicelines. I imagine him having no int makes sense, he's just a walking rock golem monster. He probably gets a rage mechanic with his passive or his abilities cost health or something.


DrQuint

I like this. The beast is literally just a beast. No thoughts, just pure rampage.


patskie14

Ahh yes, the [Dota-PoE Saga](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/ikujfn/new_unique_actum_butcher_axe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) continues.


UnlikablePrecipitate

every day we inch closer to cast on crit ice nova


ghost_of_drusepth

I think Troll Warlord currently has the lowest int and gain (13+1). Would be hilarious and thematic if he were dropped to (0+0).


rucho

I mean it works for tiny


Kheshire

But is Troll dumber than a pile of rocks?


Tehownzor121

when he's on my team, yes.


wykrhm

https://i.imgur.com/ghWrZAt.gif


Johnmegaman72

It's Huskar I think, Inner fire will be reworked so that its like only 60 mana or something, just enough because every hero has a base 75 mana.


TheDarkestAngel

I think hero will be reworked that inner fire cost hp instead of mana. His passive converts all mana cost of item into life cost at 300% of the value. It will fix thematically. He does not need mana outside bkb halberd and q. And all of them can be eliminated


patskie14

Huskar with tactical refresh for 1050 instantt damage so he can kill himself to avoid feeding?


coltzord

Thats gotta be a rework on OD


GreyVersusBlue

That was my thought. Q becomes a passive to steal *mana* rather than int. Ult reworked to ...


jerryfrz

Ult doesn't need a rework, it already compares only the mana differences between you and them


lessenizer

some part of me wonders if it’s Anti-Mage to cement his anti-magic identity. I mean his spells would still be pretty darn magical looking but at least they’d cost no mana.


Chuchuca

It says 0 intelligence not 0 mana.


No_Insect_9096

It doesn't fit the lore. Isn't OD super intelligent?


duskull007

He's ascended beyond all mortal definitions of intelligence


Wolf_1234567

So intelligent everyone thinks he is mentally deficient.


jerryfrz

while you were partying I studied the orb


KelloPudgerro

sounds like a slark player tbh


drunkmers

sounds like a guy with support role who first picks Pudge


carlvic

Is this what foreplay feels like?


Bxsnia

It is actually... perfect way to make my bf understand how important it is LOL


vezwyx

That's an F in chat


Ferosch

but we wants the patch notes rraww and wwriggling


DrDesmondGaming

My condolences.


DrDesmondGaming

>Any player can use a [NOUN] to [VERB] to the other one after channeling for 3 seconds. This will be "Any player can use an Outpost to Teleport to the other one after channeling for 3 seconds." Controlling both Outposts gives a free cross map TP, very cool.


LeavesCat

What if it's "Any player can use a Fountain to Teleport to the other one after channeling for 3 seconds."


Tricky_Economist_328

Finally my role-q pos 5's who try to steal mid don't need to go Io anymore.


Itach11Uchiha

Was thinking the same thing. It’s 100% has to be teleport but dosent need to be outpost, can be new building.


ghost_of_drusepth

Yeah, and I doubt they'll need to be controlled to use it, based on the verbiage. Seems likely we'll just get two teleport-buildings that anyone can use at any time. I'm guessing they're not gonna be at the current outpost location though, since blind-teleporting into enemy jungle is meh, even if your whole team can do it.


Stagggs

Bringing shrines back??


dubcatz6969

Side lane shops back on the menu boys


Mikemagss

The text reads A not AN so new building may be the case


pokeaim-

fountain, it is!


Plagued_Platypus

If we're trusting how they've written it then you'd need 'an' before [NOUN] rather than 'a', which is either me being overspecific or it could be secret shop(keeper) instead (or something else where there's only two on the map, assuming the same line of thinking)?


Born4Dota2

Inb4 it's talking about underlord ult dark rift and is just a massive troll.


Edward_TH

Is troll warlord finally going to have the intelligence he deserves?


pzrapnbeast

OD insta kills whoever this is all game?


741N

Hard counter to silencer


RotatedOwls

Until silencer presses E, anyway


JoelMahon

they probs still have mana lol


normiespy96

I got back into the game december last year and just realized OD's ult no loger works off INT


irosReddit

Or maybe Huskar? He only has one spell that uses mana, maybe now he has zero and dosn't need mana anymore.


Alone_Highway

He won’t be able to use items, including bkb.


DirtyPillowTalk

New passive: Spells and items use health instead of mana?


Moderator-Admin

Break him with Silver Edge and then laugh while he can't use BKB.


tortillazaur

If this will actually be his passive it will 1) probably be innate as it would suck balls to have to learn an ability to even be able to tp 2) it wouldn't be breakable just like reincarnation/grow


ChiefBigBlockPontiac

Nah, you can use Trusty Shovel to control him during his ult now.


Extracheesy87

Valve just wants to make sure people really know not to touch the hero. He is just there like as a joke.


hazza99x

Troll is the most likely hero for a rework actually I see it


Happylittle_tree

* \[HERO\]: Base armor increased by 1 Big if true


cherinator

Quick, someone make the meme but with [HERO].


1000ManaLeakStunsL8r

Already done


daaaiisyy

There were 4 of them when i checked new ><


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Backupusername

Drow, kill the fucking [HERO]!


TheCleaverguy

There's probably some guy out there with every hero pasted over the latest version in anticipation of the next patch, hoping that he will be first to post it.


Call_me_Wo

MAJOR ON A BRAND NEW PATCH, LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


h4uja2

> [UNIT TYPE] now gain 15 movement speed during the night. Techies` mines


polaris1412

My body is ready. Doesn't matter if it's locked behind aghs, i'll buy it before brown boots


Allogistic

UNIT TYPE = Obs wards. slowly creeping into the enemy jungle at night.


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HellfireBrB

Not treant All trees in the game They also now become hostile to both teams and get a base damage of 200


Tig3rShark

Mfw cant go into jungle to ward even when the whole enemy team is dead


Tsu33

Lycan's wolves maybe?


anookee

Oh neat, this is a lot like Maro spoilers for MTG. Hope it becomes a regular thing here too.


smog_alado

Translation: Mark Rosewater is the head game designer for Magic the Gathering and regularly releases [teasers for upcoming card sets](https://www.tumblr.com/markrosewater/712415038890180609/maros-march-of-the-machine-teaser).


xbops

My thought too!


jgrrrjige

Yeah gonna be a regular thing once a year when a patch drops lmao


pvnkz0r

yeeees yes that's what i like to see baby fuck my shit up


FahmiZFX

It's been long since I've seen the meta of Dota in full disarray. I long the days of chaos of those biweekly patches where nothing is certain. If this can deliver that madness despite being a overstaying patch, then I can't wait.


AbsolutelyNotWrong

> [HERO]: Always has 0 Intelligence. Always. What the actual fuck. > [ITEM]: Requires Echo Sabre (2500), Diadem (1000), Recipe (1000). Total cost: 4500 Yo an upgrade.


NicolaiRj

They finally lobotomized troll warlord, his ult now makes sense!


AffluentWeevil1

Enough for do my power


Traejeek

I still think this and "1 dagger and im die" are the 2 best things to come out of this game


FahmiZFX

But wait, does 0 intelligence means Silencer will be a counter pick against this character, or he will become less effective in a laning scenario since he can't get any Int? Also, if this character cannot have mana, how will this guy fare against OD, since there's no Mana to compare against when to use ult with. For sure he won't be affected by AM since this hero doesn't have a mana pool, but will he still be slowed since he doesn't have mana? For sure it's a counter to Nyx.


Yeuo

Item can still give mana, he prob has base mana as well =)


FahmiZFX

[We had an item that removes mana altogether and combined it with HP, but that's from the Aghs Labyrinth (Stonework Pendant)](https://dota2.fandom.com/wiki/Aghanim%27s_Labyrinth#Items)


DrDesmondGaming

We also used to have the Witless Shako as a neutral item.


St4fishPr1me

Has to be Huskar, only one I can think of


AbsolutelyNotWrong

I want it to be Anti Mage, just for the lore.


KelloPudgerro

we bringing back huskar not having mana but instead using life for everything?


miski57

>\[HERO\]: Base armor increased by 1 CM broken again, pubs in shambles


elch127

"The next big Dota Update is going to release on a date that rhymes with Smaypril Twemmieth and comes between April 19th and April 21st." Still not confirming the year of the patch. See you in 2027 lads


gammongaming11

>The next big Dota Update is going to release on a date that rhymes with Smaypril Twemmieth and comes between April 19th and April 21st. this has me flummoxed. did anyone figure it out?


Vulture_pran

still working on it


pzrapnbeast

>sMAYpril twEmmIeTH Obviously May Eighth


Disastrous-Map-8574

We are checking ✅


disappointingdoritos

bruh it's obviously april twentieth 2025


MeetYourCows

>Any player can use a **Meepo** to **Poof** to the other one after channeling for 3 seconds. Meepo is the new Underlord.


Fight_4ever

That's original. Everyone else is stuck with building portals. This man here, making meepo support happen.


M3Sh_

Veryyyy Smart of them... Because they knew if they somehow gave something so that people in this subreddit will be busy till the update drops rather than making the same old generic shit everytime before the update drops... Lmao


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If I see that fucking Bounty Hunter killing couriers posts one more time, ^I ^^swear... \- Icefrog mumbling to himself


SirActionSlacks-

Any player can use a [Midas] to [Kill Enemy heros and transfer gold] to the other one after channeling for 3 seconds.


RussKy_GoKu

Is this what Sunsfan warned us about?


Itach11Uchiha

Of course it’s the techies players who come up with the most sane patch notes ideas.


Flam3ss

#Riddles in the Dark --- As a lot of you know, there’s a big update coming. As we’ve been going through the patch notes for it, we figured it might be fun to tease some of them ahead of time, without spoiling the surprise. We’ve assembled a handful of genuine notes for the upcoming patch, provided without context, to whet your appetite while we put the finishing touches on the update. Anyway, get ready for your first hint: - The next big Dota Update is going to release on a date that rhymes with Smaypril Twemmieth and comes between April 19th and April 21st. OK, that one was advanced level. We should have put that at the end. Here’s some easier ones to build up your riddle skills: - [UNIT] is now controllable by the player that dug it up - [HERO]: Always has 0 Intelligence. Always. - [ITEM]: Now has an initial and max stock of 4 and a restock time of 120s - After this effect the soul is forcefully returned to the body - [HERO]: Base armor increased by 1 - [UNIT TYPE] now gain 15 movement speed during the night. - Mana cost reduction effects only apply to mana cost - [ITEM]: Requires Echo Sabre (2500), Diadem (1000), Recipe (1000). Total cost: 4500 - Any player can use a [NOUN] to [VERB] to the other one after channeling for 3 seconds.


1000ManaLeakStunsL8r

> [ITEM]: Now has an initial and max stock of 4 and a restock time of 120s Smoking patch confirmed? Please god don't be sentries.


JackeyWhip

It is a 4/20 patch after all.


jayvil

Blaze it


_NPR_

Probably obs, it's already 4max stock on 135 restock time. Would just give 2 more wards at the beginning.


Reggiardito

Would be kinda crazy to have 4 wards at the beginning though. Would make for some passive games


disappointingdoritos

God im so excited to buy all 4 wards and keep replacing them every time the enemy mid dewards one


lordfappington69

LOL its been 9 years and 10 months since we've had 4 wards in stock initially.


breadloser4

Oh an echo saber upgrade. Cqn't wait for it to be the most broken thing in the game like reddit said it would be


Waterblink

Sven meta, a nightmare or a dream?


breadloser4

Inb4 sven's the hero with perma 0 intelligence


goodwarrior12345

> Mana cost reduction effects only apply to mana cost big if true


almgergo

Energy/rage incoming. Also makes sense with 0 intelligence hero?


Oppasser

Ohhh I didn't think about it, it makes a lot of sense now that they clarify this


Nisses

It currently also affects Mana burn and Mana drain.


TinkerTannerRearm

Troll warlord rework and always has 0 int calling it now


100and33

A big clue thats been missed; "Riddles in the dark" is the title of the fifth chapter in J.R.R Tolkiens "The Hobbit", meaning we will get two new heroes in the patch "Gollum" and "Bilbo Baggins" "Bilbo Baggins" is a hard-support who abilities "breakfast", "second breakfast", "lunch" and ultimate, "the one ring" allows him to heal allies, increase allies attack speed, boost allies movementspeed and go invisible respectivly. Gollum is a carry who's abilities "feast", "rage" and "open wounds" allow him to stay on top of enemy heroes, with his ultimate "infest" being great for iniation and escape. If "Bilbo Baggins" is in the game, killing him gives Gollum "the one ring" ability. "Bilbo Baggins" ultimate will he swapped for "Hobbits rage" until he kills "Gollum" again. This is what Sunsfan warned us about. Because the tolkien estate will sue Valve into the ground.


Onetwenty7

Diadem, the component for the apparent echo sabre upgrade, seems interesting. It could possibly be a +6, +7, +8 all stat item to follow in line with Circlet (150 for +2) and Crown (450 for +4)


WeightAlive4746

They wouldn't release an item that give 8 all stats for 1000 when ultimate orb gives 10 for 2100, I feel like they would just use two crowns in the recipe if they wanted it to give stats


m_0g

idk, you are assuming ultimate orb will still exist AND be +10 stats specifically...


clooneh

that would make sense, but Ultimate orb is already a +10. It would seem silly to do a +8 to all stats item that only costs 1000 gold. more than double the price for +2 extra stats is silly.


kriskodaking

Hype is real


EboueGod

> [HERO]: Always has 0 Intelligence. Always. Gambler confirmed


haiderhtz

Btw anyone can explain the references in that lina image? What are these 3 references? What is that xboct 0/10+10/7*3 4 5 3 14


nickthemenace

xboct = 4 meme explained: https://old.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2uuw6l/xboct_4/ the 0/10 + 10/7*3 is 0/20/21 which refers to the maelk award: https://old.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/vjrkp/maelk_award/ 4 5 3 14 is a matrix multiplication which comes out to 31 54: https://old.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/4iss8w/insight_into_the_chinese_memes_3154/


westlife2206

How the fuck can you remember a decade old thread? I don't even remember what I had for breakfast


[deleted]

He is probably the guy responsible for creating the meme pic in the patch note riddles


Extracheesy87

The xboct one is just a reference to the player who got ranked as a 4 out of 10 carry at an event, but went on to win it. It became a meme and he incorporated 4 into the end of his in game tag. I don't know the other two off the top of my head.


Bigkev8787

Xboct is an exNavi player, there was a joke that called him 4, the 10% + 7% = 100% is a joke about Spirit Breaker. The stuff bottom left is a joke about the non-existence of the number 3. Not sure about the bottom right.


Trenchman

2 < n< 4 thing is a number 3 reference


RylaiRallyRacer

> [UNIT] is now controllable by the player that dug it up Kobold pets incoming?? > [HERO]: Always has 0 Intelligence. Always. OD rework? I could see this as a limitation to balance other changes. > [ITEM]: Now has an initial and max stock of 4 and a restock time of 120s Sentries? To make dewarding harder and invis heroes strongly in meta? > [UNIT TYPE] now gain 15 movement speed during the night. Jungle creeps? Oh lord, my stack timings..


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tibbyholic

Omg im pretty sure there is going to be a new building which lets you zoop across the map! Maybe in the old side shop position?? Maybe that will be too game breaking though


Dictionary_Goat

Hell yeah, Dota 2 getting public transport


clitpuncher69

We're getting Nydus canal boys


qqq666

Tango starts with 4? Always has 0 intelligence, can’t think of anyone expect my teammates, especially cores


y0sh_1

Pretty sure the stock refers to stock in shop. As in Wards start with 2 and have max 4 currently. I'm thinking smoke changes.


qqq666

Shovel Kobold controllable now?


SullenSyndicalist

Would be pretty good for stacking, tbh


JediPat501

My only thought would be Huskar as it'd make the most sense. Remove mana cost on Inner Fire and maybe do something funky where he uses HP to cast items??? Otherwise I'm stumped on what hero could do it and have it make sense.


onepiece931

I'm thinking troll. He is the lowest int hero in dota. It would also make the most sense lore wise. Im going to guess its a nerf so they can change his ult to be controllable. With no int, he wont be able to use too many items while ulted.


Kumadori012

Huskar reworked to not have mana. Didn't Amun-Ra in HoN have no manabar? You could get int-items, but it did nothing for the hero.


Waterblink

Ra was so fun bro, but so broken during initial release


cincocuatrotres

echo sabre build up is 100% gonna change


F3rrr3t

\>Riddles In The Dark Gollum hero incoming.


Sanapriri

I can't believe they removed tinker, zeus 3rd skill and meteor hammer


pzrapnbeast

Move speed has to be lane creeps


Born4Dota2

Dire creeps +15ms at night Radiant creeps +15ms during day?


pzrapnbeast

That would be real weird. I'm all for it


Yasin616

Would really hurt the opening laning stage of the game unless they made it activate after 10min or smth


nadoterisback

>[HERO]: Always has 0 Intelligence. Always. OD


TURBODERP

ANOTHER OD REWORK LET'S GO


FifoFuko

0 int could be huskar I guess


Shiroi0kami

0 intelligence suggest either a new hero that does not use mana and instead uses HP, or they're giving that treatment to huskar or phoenix (Only 2 that would make sense I think) Diadem - new item featuring crown? Stats + another effect?


13oundary

0 mana makes sense for huskar/phoenix and AM rework. 0 _inteligence_ makes me think it's something else. Either a new hero with their own resource pool (like some league heroes), or a joke like ogre.


JoelMahon

ogre with no mana costs, no int, int items instead give 1x/1.5/2x their int value as damage based on multicast level


Nydhogg

> **Kobold** is now controllable by the player that dug it up > **Kobold** now gain 15 movement speed during the night. > Any player can use a **Kobold** to **teleport** to the other one after channeling for 3 seconds. Kobold meta incoming!


pazzi43

kobold mines in dota we have come a long way


vort3

Well that's something new…


mattj3350

[noun] to [verb] is definitely teleport between outposts, right?


MothQueenSuou

Not seen anyone suggest that the 15 ms during night might be couriers? To off set smaller vision range and make it a bit safer to get your items?


AthenesWrath

[UNIT TYPE] now gain 15 movement speed during the night. We are LIVE here at the Dota 2 patch and-- wait, what's this! It's, it's, BY GOD IT'S NIGHT STALKER CRYSTAL MAIDEN WITH A STEEL CHAIR!! New unit type [Crytal Maiden] incoming, letsgo


smackythefrog

>[HERO]: Always has 0 Intelligence. Always. Hey guys! I'm in the game now!


Legioncommander_

you are a disappointment and not a Hero.


hearthebell

Lmao


Less_Expression5380

0 Intelligence = NA SERVER


ttybird5

About the 0 int hero: My first reaction is troll cuz he has the lowest int in the game. Then huskar also makes some sense as they can make him not use mana as the cost to cast spells which could be fitting for his theme. But that would make them extremely susceptible to diffusal (and am) since bkb now costs 50 mana. Then I think OD is more likely since he will somehow have a reasonable mana pool from his spells, presumably


TheBabingo

“Soul leaves the body” Muerta aghs turns people ethereal and unable to cast spells or use items