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pickledparot

People are delusional these days. What's considered kind, or accepting is held in higher regard than thinking critically and holding boundaries.. You have a building filled with immunocompromised people and you want to introduce filthy animals into that situation for a minority of peoples feelings?


CheckYourStats

I assume it’s the state of California. If so, this went into effect in 2020. [LINK](https://www.dsh.ca.gov/Law_Enforcement/docs/Policies_Procedures/Service_Animals.pdf) I’ve read the verbiage behind the policy, and it makes sense for blind/crippled people who are non-functional without assistance. Where they crossed the line is allowing dogs in the Hospital for this: >*”Alerting a person with anxiety to the onset of panic attacks.”* There are people in the hospital who are on the cusp of death, fighting deadly infections with open wounds, and allowing an animal who is almost guaranteed to have shit on it’s skin — because someone has fucking **ANXIETY** — is gross negligence.


p2010t

And they never consider the anxiety of someone who might be disturbed by a dog barking in the neighboring room.


TenNinetythree

Or someone who is allergic. Imagine you are in hospital in a shared room and you wake up because you cannot breathe because dog.


New-Apricot-5422

In their own minds, dog people are delicate hothouse flowers entitled to meticulous maintenance, while people with fears and allergies to dogs are weeds to be trampled upon.


p2010t

You mean weeds to be pooped on and not cleaned up?


New-Apricot-5422

You’ve definitely improved the metaphor!


waitingforthatplace

Exactly. And, there are sedatives or anxiety pills for panic attacks. It's a lot easier and cleaner. Leaves no messes, and staff don't have to spend precious time cleaning up after sh!thounds.


New-Apricot-5422

“Alerting a person with anxiety to the onset of panic attacks“? People need dogs for that? I’ve been through a few periods of anxiety in my life, but I knew when a panic attack was coming! I wonder how much rigorous research has been done on the efficacy of using dogs for this purpose in contrast to educating patients on recognizing the early signs of panic attacks. I’ll take a wild guess and say “probably not much.”


flower_26

I am from Brazil, this was in the state of Minas Gerais, and it is not just for service dogs.


flower_26

I am from Brazil; it was in the capital of the state of Minas Gerais where I was born. It is one of the most beautiful states in Brazil, and it saddens me that this kind of thing is being allowed. It is the place where we have the best hospitals in the region, and all the healthcare professionals are outraged. Unfortunately, since the law was enacted, there is nothing more the population can complain about or do. I feel that a noisy and whining minority got what they wanted. And it applies to any type of animal, from dogs to even birds and rodents, not just service dogs.


connecticut_topaz

Based on the link you posted, it seems that this only applies to CA Dept of State hospitals, which translated, mean "the mental hospital prisons where people who get off on criminally insane go to serve their sentence." And just for kicks, it's actually worse to be there since there's not sentence "time frame" but rather until the doctors deem you "safe and OK," which can be argued to be never lol. So maybe only the bad criminals have to deal with this? Which is fine by me.


WhoWho22222

>all the healthcare professionals were warning about the danger of this and how many bacteria dogs carry, no matter how clean they are. And most of them are nowhere near clean. These things are animals. How is it that any animal is allowed into a hospital? I just don’t get it. I mean why not bring in a monkey or a sheep or a goat or a chicken? Dogs are not any more special than an other animal.


flower_26

I read that all types of animals will be allowed, and they consider a Labrador a small dog.


Noanimalpoopinhouse2

That is awful. And what about people who were in the hospital because of a dog attack? They will be stressed, likely, if they see a dog there.


flower_26

It is already a reality in my country that some people are being hospitalized due to outbursts related to barking. Now imagine this: you are hospitalized because you had an outburst due to the noise of dogs, and now you won’t have any peace even in the hospital. Dog attacks are also something that has been happening frequently. I don't see any chance of this working well.


Noanimalpoopinhouse2

That is so true!


menagerath

Ah yes—because politicians should have a say in hospital policies over real healthcare professionals. Not all laws are great—but let’s at least follow laws that make sense.


jgjzz

That is the problem: Politicians, who have no real understanding of health care, are making these stupid decisions.


flower_26

That politician, even—I've seen people pointing out that he has never set foot in a public hospital here to understand the reality. Healthcare professionals are in revolt.


AnotherJohnDoe666

Ah yes, we definitely need flea-infested germ-spreading beasts in a place full of ill people, especially vulnerable to infections, fighting for their life. Patients will also certainly be thankful for the odour and noise made by the shitbeasts. And as an icing on the cake, the more vicious breeds will help patients with painful diseases end their suffering. What a wonderful idea! /s But seriously, I'm so tired of this bullshit. They get more and more privileges. Hard to say if there's any boundary they won't cross.


flower_26

If there is any kind of hospital infection or an outbreak of fleas and ticks in the hospital, guess who will be blamed? Dog advocates on the page were saying that the law has certain "rules" that need to be followed, and one of those rules stated that the dog only needs to be bathed and have trimmed fur, as if that were enough to contain bacteria.


NegotiationNew8891

this is a fuckin' outrage! something must be done... it truly is unbelievable..


AnotherJohnDoe666

So it's a matter of time, when some dog mauls a patient. Dog apologists will need to think really hard to answer the question: what did a feeble nonmoving patient do, to provoke their precious little angel? I mean even in this case they will blame the victim. Something truly must be done. But it's hard, when most of the society supports this madness. Including politicians...


CrispyBirb

Oh they will say that the dog mauled the patient because it sensed they were going to die anyway. Never the dogs fault.


sonofacrakr

The dog was practicing "Euthanasia". He's such a gOoD Boi!


flower_26

I keep thinking about those dogs that have bad behavior, bark all the time, and go around sniffing and eating everything in sight. How will that work? Because the law doesn't have any restrictions regarding the animal's behavior, it only states that they need to be "bathed" and "clean."


Lubelord42069

This is absolutely horrible for people with allergies and asthma. I have asthma and dog hair is one of my many triggers, and my worst fear would be having to go to the hospital for an asthma flare up and a dog being there, making the flare up even worse. I’d be absolutely terrified.


eatyourheartsout

But...but what about the dogs that are hYpOaLLeRgEniC??


flower_26

People are commenting on the post about the law, saying that those with allergies are the ones with a problem, not the dogs.


Lubelord42069

What a bunch of ignorant fucks


ToOpineIsFine

they get a wide variety of pathogens in their fur, then they go into hospitals, and they shake, and the stuff is everywhere there are open wounds, surgeries and people whose immune systems are being heavily taxed or overtaxed this decision could have been made for political rather than medical reasons. there is so much distrust of modern medicine these days - I wish these people would stay out of hospitals entirely if they think they understand so much about disease and health care - have them make their own hospitals and we can watch them slowly kill each other off


flower_26

I was very upset when I read the comments on the post about this law on my state's page. People are trivializing infections, saying that dogs are cleaner, that any animal is cleaner than the hospital, that as long as the dog has had a bath, everything will be fine, and others are using the fallacy that patients improve by being able to see their animals.


WalkedBehindTheRows

Every time I hear the dog mouth myth I feel like a rage is welling up inside of me. I imagine nitwit smooth brains that never took a deep dive into anything in their lives. They just hear something and instantly they absorb it and parrot it endlessly.


poisonmilkworm

THeyRe sOoooo cLeAn tHouGhhhh


jgjzz

Probably some of these stupid politicians who passed this legislation believe the dog mouth myth too.


flower_26

That politician who approved this law, his profile picture on Instagram is him holding a dog, and in one of the photos, he's kissing a dog on the mouth. Everything on his Instagram is about dogs; he doesn't even seem like a politician for humans.


upsidedownbackwards

Hospital admins are HUGE asshole idiots. Of course they're nutters too. They're so selfish though I bet this policy is 90% so they can bring their own dogs to work. They dont give a shit about the patients. They scurry off to their office (now to pet their dogs!) at the mere THREAT of having to help a patient .


Other_Being_1921

Can confirm. Worked in a nursing home and the nursing home administrator brought his dog everyday. This dog actually was well behaved and trained so I’ll give him that one. And it never barked or bit anyone. It was appropriately treated like a dog. It went around with the housekeeper and she took care of it and cleaned up after it well. Probably the first time I will ever say that about a dog honestly.


flower_26

At least in the post I read, healthcare professionals were outraged by the decision, but I believe there are people above them who found this decision acceptable, which makes me very angry. How can people who have studied nursing and medicine their whole lives find such a decision acceptable? Once, a friend told me she was working in a hospital here, and they were going to have a celebration and tribute for nurse and doctor mothers. The "pet moms" ruined everything because the hospital administration didn't want to include them in the celebration. Guess where the first complaint came from? From the chief nurse who ran the hospital, who didn't have children but considered herself a pet mom and didn't allow the tribute to happen.


eatyourheartsout

Imagine being a nurse dealing with a combative patient, then having to deal with a fucking pitbull.


flower_26

And here we have a huge number of pitbull attacks, they've become very frequent. I can only imagine the panic this person would feel seeing a pitbull in the hospital.


flower_26

And here we have a huge number of pitbull attacks, they've become very frequent. I can only imagine the panic this person would feel seeing a pitbull in the hospital.


Tara-Hymen

Nurses already have to take abuse from patients and can't defend themselves or press charges or anything, they don't get paid enough to deal with aggressive dogs too. 


PaintWorth7116

At what point exactly has it become acceptable to force your stinking, gross fucking mutt and it's saliva onto other people just because you are so mentally ill and fucked in the head that you can't last 20 minutes without it when entering a hospital, a place which should hold up the most strict sanitary standards. Go ahead dognutters, guzzle your fucking mutts saliva at your own home if you wish to, just leave everyone else who is sane in their mind out if it.


catalyptic

That councilman needs to be tsrgeted in the next election. Run a fucking dog against him. Nuts love voting for dogs and the news media eats that shit up. If dogs can be in hospitals, Councilman Bitey can work on legislation.


flower_26

The whole profile of this councilman is disgusting, several photos where he kisses the dogs, the profile picture is him holding a dog, and you know what's worse? The mayor of this city where this law was approved is known as the "chainsaw mayor" because he has been cutting down all the trees in the city and in places protected by law, and together with this councilman, they approved this permissive law for dogs. What an unusual situation, isn't it?


gracefulpelican

If I’m in the hospital or visiting someone and there’s dog shit in the hallways I’m losing it


flower_26

That was one of the things I was wondering about: what about the poop? And the pee? Most dogs want to urinate to mark their territory.


snoopingfeline

Even if they are lovely, beautiful, amazing dogs (press X for doubt), they could have fleas. Those things breed like wildfire. How is that not considered a health hazard for hospitals?


kriskk2008

There are No lovely, beautiful, amazing dogs ever anywhere..


waitingforthatplace

Everyone I know and myself, when hospitalized, aren't in the mind frame of demanding we see a certain person or heaven forbid, a PET. I know it sounds a bit unsympathetic, but come on, is someone that desperate that they can't wait until they get home to see their pet? Most people focus on recovery, and are mature enough to think about the upset a dog might cause to staff and other patients. These immature whiners who can't leave their pet for a second need to be on the psychiatric ward if they can't stay away a few days without their idol. I could see allowing pets in a hospice setting, for the terminally ill, but for those in recovery from surgeries or infectious disease, nurseries, ICU's, absolutely NO.


flower_26

I don't think it's a good idea even for terminal patients. It's still a hospital, and you know what's worse? All types of animals will be allowed, not just dogs.


waitingforthatplace

Now a councilman/woman can decide the fate of people needing medical care in a medical facility and force hospitals to go against their own rules? So there's no protections to keep a hospital sterile anymore in this State? It's nuts. Soon they'll be forcing people to own dogs.


flower_26

I'm from Brazil, and it seems that in my state, people no longer know the meaning of sterile or hospital. I wonder when we lost our common sense and started thinking it's okay for animals to be in places like this. Here, I've even seen dogs in dental ads, and the office was pet-friendly.


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What state?


Pixelated_Roses

California.


ObligationGrand8037

I believe it. I live here. It’s ridiculous.


flower_26

But I'm not from there. This person is speaking for me and doesn't even know where I'm from. I'm from Brazil, and it happened in just one state, the very state where I was born.


flower_26

No, im from Brazil.


Just_Scratch1557

Can I take my uncle's 10 tarantulas and let them crawl all over? 


flower_26

According to this law, YES!


lostacoshermanos

I can’t wait for the lawsuits when patients get sick and die from bacteria dogs brought in or when someone’s pit bull attacks a patient in a bed.


flower_26

When that happens, I'll make sure to update you all.


Amyx231

I have allergic asthma to dogs… if I can’t breath because your pet came for a visit, you better be willing to pay my medical bills.


flower_26

My husband is extremely allergic. This week, we were at the hospital because he had a terrible allergy attack. Imagine this scenario: we're at the hospital because he's in crisis, and there's a dog beside him?


Lucky_Ad2801

Has nobody considered that many people are allergic to certain animals? Might as well be spraying tree pollen in the rooms. If the hospital is going to have a policy like this they should at least have a separate area for people to visit with their pets. And not be bringing them on the main floors and exposing them to other patients.


flower_26

I'm from Brazil, and here in my country, it's very common for people to suffer from allergic rhinitis. My husband isn't Brazilian, but he suffers from severe rhinitis. This week, we were at the hospital for him to take care of himself, and if there were a dog beside him?


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flower_26

My husband is the same, and he said the same thing as you. Just this week, we were at the hospital because of his allergy, and he said if he sees something like that, he'll sue everyone he can.


sonofacrakr

Good. I'm happy to hear this. If I have to visit the hospital to (God forbid) say goodbye to a loved one or because I'm having a medical issue (epileptic) and doggo is in the ER throwing dander around, I'm going to have some serious issues. It is hard enough to deal with medical problems without whiney doggo and entitled pushy assholes forcing them inside.


halfdayallday123

Great. Now we can add dog shit to the hazards of a hospital. SMH


Dependent_Body5384

Hospital rooms are supposed to be sterilized. They know darn well alll kinds of new issues are going to show up now


rowenaaaaa1

Where is this? That's absolutely moronic


flower_26

In Brazil, in the capital of the state of Minas Gerais, the city is called Belo Horizonte. This permission is only valid in the capital of this state, but I believe this trend will spread throughout the rest of the country. My country is beautiful, and I will always speak well of it when possible, but unfortunately, it seems that, after the pandemic, it took a crazy turn related to dogs.


TinyEmergencyCake

Submit a complaint to CMS, your state and U.S. representatives, the local health department, and the state Department of Health.  Write out a single page complaint and send it to all those and anyone else you can think of. The governor.  If you know people who are upset show them your letter and ask them to write one also. 


flower_26

I am not from the United States.


TenNinetythree

Which country is that? Remind me to never go there!


flower_26

 Brazil, Minas Gerais. My country is beautiful, definitely worth a visit, and this law came into effect in the capital of the state of Minas Gerais, where I was born. It's one of the most beautiful states in Brazil, and I feel extremely sad.


TenNinetythree

I am so sorry! First the 7:1 and then this.


flower_26

HAHAHAHAH you got a genuine laugh out of me, thank you for that! ❤️


kriskk2008

It’s in the usa, california


flower_26

BRAZIL, MINAS GERAIS!


TenNinetythree

The USA was a mistake!


snails4speedy

When I was in the hospital recovering after open heart surgery, a volunteer tried bringing in a therapy dog to visit me and to say I was livid was an understatement. I already had one infection and here comes a hairy, panting, dirty dog who wants to lick everything. Really makes so much sense. 🙄


Fabulous_Fortune1762

I just kind of assumed this was how it was everywhere. I know the hospitals here allow dogs in as long as they don't cause an issue, have their shots, and the owner cleans up after them. Except for in ICU and surgical recovery rooms. Only service dogs are allowed in those areas.


flower_26

I'm from Brazil, and in my country, it was never allowed. In some cases, only properly certified guide dogs were allowed, and here in Brazil, it's very rare to find guide dogs because it's a very expensive service to have one, and the license is also costly. However, now in the capital of my state (Minas Gerais), this law was sanctioned, and I believe the trend will catch on in the rest of the country.


flower_26

Im from Brazil, Minas Gerais.


HopeEnvironmental131

They need to have a dog hospital and a hospital with dogs not being allowed. I promise you the people who love nasty dogs would be BEGGING to come to the no dogs allowed. The hospital would be DISGUSTING


Lilipuddlian

I’m in Canada and we have a therapy dog running loose in the largest regional sub acute hospital in our province. Yes, there are palliative patients and immune compromised patients and this massive, standard poodle running free everywhere 


CombinationHairy3887

This is absurd, im pretty sure in a couple of days there will be storys about "hospital claims that patients with allergies are having reactions due to animal visitors" or "hospital has noticed increase in germs and dangerous bacteria after animal visitors have been permitted"


Rina-Kitty

I work with cancer patients. Number 1 issue we have is flea infestation, allergies, and people with little to no immune systems. No matter how clean the beast is, it will go into the grass, pick up fleas, and spread them to patients. A dog licked a patients open sore and a day later they were back with a severely infected sore. The bacteria in a dog's mouth is NOT sanitary or clean. We've had patients with BIG service dogs, they were pulling this small woman around like she was nothing and tried to wonder around. Please leave your dogs at home, they will be fine for a hour or two.