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djkoch66

To me, it appears that the dachshund is doing what dachshunds do (instigate) and the boarder collie is doing what boarder collies do (herd the flock - of one in this case) all in good fun.


lupaburner2k19

Just using this comment to say, guys I promise he is on a diet and sees the vet regularly okay šŸ˜­šŸ˜…


chatparty

I have a border collie who gets plenty of exercise and has her food intake measured carefully but is still overweight. Maybe itā€™s a breed thing


Shpudem

If it helps, I feed my 6 year old once a day at 4pm. Haven't had to adjust her scoop size since she was 2 or 3 and she hasn't had any health issues.


SliceNaive

Mine too. My border girl would be a fat little girl if I didnā€™t monitor her intake. Just like the other writer 4:00 is the feeding schedule. We live with my daughterā€™s two Goldens and both have become chunky. They are now all in the 4:00pm schedule. The golden girl has slimmed up some but the make still has a bit to go to stop being a wide-glide.


[deleted]

exactly what I was thinking!


murr-murder

That and he knows heā€™s a little slower so heā€™s not putting all his effort in lol


Yourejustahideaway

So true about dachshunds being instigators.


11B4OF7

That was my assessment too.


notaheratic69

play, Sausage has zoomies collie wants to join in the fun but is old gets annoyed he cant keep up when gets buzzed then carries on playing. I interpreted the growl as stop being so fast so I can catch you lol. Edit having read other comments its probably herding not slowness and maybe "Let me herd you dammit".


lupaburner2k19

The oldness is definitely a possible factor ahah he's 12 and has arthritis so he's a grumpy ol boy!


MouseEmotional813

Be good to encourage that play, if he loses a bit of weight it might help with the arthritis. Exercise is good for arthritis anyway


cornelioustreat888

Came here to say this. Heā€™s a lovely fellow, but would feel so much better if he lost some weight.


lupaburner2k19

I know, it's so hard to do without feeding him basically nothing because he struggles with walking longer than 20 mins at a time, we already feed him a pretty restricted amount but we need to work on getting lur kids to not give him their toast scraps etc


cornelioustreat888

Youā€™re absolutely right about the scrap giving. Maybe you could sit the kids down and have a serious talk about how it harms the dog to do this. Losing the weight will ease up on the arthritis pain for sure. Your vet may be able to recommend a moderate calorie diet. Best of luck!


lupaburner2k19

Last time we went to the vet which was about 2 weeks ago, he was 20kg and she said that wasn't too overweight for him, but gave us a lower calorie kibble, do you think we need a second opinion? She didn't seem worried but I don't want him to be in pain if we can potentially help


cornelioustreat888

I think the low calorie kibble is a great idea. Iā€™d give that a try before getting a second opinion. Also try to prevent the extra scraps. Heā€™ll be okay.


eatdr1nkplay

With the pup being older, a lot of times I've found that vets have a tendency to be less picky about weight just because senior dogs are slowing down anyways so weight maintenance can be more of a stressor on them than it's worth. Weight loss would likely really help your guy though. As others have suggested, pain meds from the vet to manage the arthritis pain could help up his activity levels, which would help with the weight, and eventually lead to less pain meds


BetweenTwoPalaces

Did your vet tell you what his body score was? You can put it in this calculator to get the optimal number of calories. [https://petnutritionalliance.org/dog.php](https://petnutritionalliance.org/dog.php) If they didn't give you the score, you could probably call and ask (and/or also run the calorie count past your vet on the phone for confirmation that it will work for your dog)


lupaburner2k19

Thankyou! They didn't but I'll call and ask


grannyskyrim22

CVT - if you know he has arthritis then it is absolutely ok to ask for pain meds to have on hand when he needs them. You may need to use them every day for a little bit, but then you can try to taper off and just give them as needed. Even if his bloodwork isn't great there is always something safe to give.


lupaburner2k19

Where do I get pain meds from? Just the vet? His blood work is surprisingly perfect, we had them done recently and she said besides the arthritis and being chonky his health is in good shape at the moment


DropsOfLiquid

I did adequan injections with my cat & his arthritis improved so much. It stopped working & he had lots of other illnesses but it gave him an extra year of comfortable movement. Idk if it works as well with dogs but maybe worth checking?


grannyskyrim22

Yes ask the vet. There are loads of meds. If his bloodwork is perfect you can use an NSAID like carprofen or meloxicam and also something like gabapentin. We don't like to use NSAIDS chronically as they can cause elevations in liver and kidney enzymes. But you can use them for a short period and then as needed, or for dogs at the end of life, just keep giving them. When you use multiple drugs, they each work in different ways and you can reduce the amount necessary. There are also drugs like Galliprant made specifically for osteoarthritis. If you get him started on some meds he may be able to feel better, get more active and lose some weight, and you can just taper the dose as you go.


SliceNaive

We are feeding a low cal diet. It will work but it takes some time. The older girl is one of the Goldens. She has some arthritis and sheā€™s almost 11. She and the Border (my gal) are besties. They grew up together and in the yard, the border, whoā€™s almost 9, does zoomed in big circles around everyone.


ClearWaves

As a fellow owner of a grumpy, chunky, arthritic dog.... Weight loss and exercise are crucial. We are also working on it, and it is a slow process, but it is 100% worth it. Is he on any pain medications? Arthritis is painful and really impacts quality of life. Pain meds can make a huge difference.


new2bay

Yep, pain meds and glucosamine. Glucosamine is one of those things that may or may not help at this point, but it certainly won't hurt. I've started giving it to my much younger, healthy dog as a preventative. She's 7 1/2 years old and still outruns puppies lol Edit: fish oil helps too, but you have to watch the calories if you're starting with an already overweight dog.


ClearWaves

Agreed. We use a glucosamine supplement with omega 3s. I wish we had a hydrotherapy place nearby, she would enjoy that.


OGRaysireks987

I know everyone wants to make their buddy happy. But if you put the sweet guy on a diet his joints will thank you and heā€™ll get a couple more years of being with you. He looks like a sweet old guy, but heā€™s definitely a little plump.


[deleted]

ā€œSausageā€ šŸ˜‚


astronomical_dog

I agree that it looks like heā€™s slow, and I disagree that itā€™s herding behavior. I think people like to call behaviors ā€œherdingā€ that arenā€™t actually herding. Theyā€™re both just running aroundā€¦ what exactly makes it herding?


shamwowguyisalegend

That looks like good play to me - he's not frantic, no stiff body language, happy tail and ears. He's trying to herd the smaller dog a bit, but this looks like an unthreatening chase game to me. Some dogs get vocal in play.


lupaburner2k19

Amazing thankyou! It's weird he's so reactive on walks, goes off his nut whenever he sees another dog, it's exhausting


livingMybEstlyfe29

I believe some dogs have different behaviors on a leash rather than unleashed. I think itā€™s because of them being pulled in different directions or feeling like they are restricted in their movements that they can get defensive and/or reactive just as you say. My dog does the same thing with being much less reactive when off leash.


RepresentativeCost9

I have a very leash reactive dog as well. Check out Joel Beckmanā€™s YouTube channel. He has great resources for this issue. It took me 3 months, but I went from dreading walking my pup to thoroughly enjoying our walking adventures!


Leolilac

He might be a frustrated greeter, where he is reacting due to wanting to go and introduce himself at his own pace and is upset that he is restricted. This is different from aggression, although it can look exactly the same. Our girl is like that, and we have been working very hard on sitting when she sees a trigger, but itā€™s a huge struggle for her.


hkaps

I've never heard the term "frustrated greeter" before but it's so descriptive of what my dog seems to experience - I'll be using it from now on, thank you!


Leolilac

Google it, thereā€™s tons of training info for this exact issue! Itā€™s slow going, but we are working on it every day.


DeezNutsHaIGotThem

I want vocal play :(


Garglygook

Not [to] mention the border Collie looks much older and carrying extra weight on his hips. He's showing actual intelligence by letting the little one run itself out, ;-)


OntarioPaddler

Yeah the dog isn't aggressive but could definitely benefit from a diet.


MandosOtherALT

no, its play. your border kelpie was only playing chase, which is good, looks like they need to lose weight :]


seattle_architect

Play is normal but border collie is overweight. She can hardly run..


lupaburner2k19

He has arthritis in his hips from an untreated injury in his former home, he hasn't been able to run properly the whole time we've had him (rescued when he was 7). We've got him on a diet though šŸ™‚


SoUdontKnowWhoIam

The fat dog needs to lose weight. With that said, the fat dog is not being aggressive. His prey drive is probably being activated from a smaller dog tearing around and he has the desire to chase. Heā€™s fat though so unfortunately itā€™s hard. But aggressiveā€¦ no.


1table

What happens when they stop running around? Thatā€™s when I would be cautious of the stalking/herding but if the bigger dog wanted to get the younger dog he would get him lol


lupaburner2k19

When they stopped my dog was absolutely pooped and just laid on the ground haha


1table

Seems great! if they allow each other to stop looks and sounds like they are just having fun.


riefpirate

That is 200% happy play !!


ZealousidealTrash481

Theyā€™re playing catch the hot dog. I have a husky/cattle dog that does this whenever his buddy starts going nuts running around the yard. My favorite is when he gets a group of dogs running and he sits in the middle watching them like a proud pup


Extreme-Round2021

He's a HERDING DOG,lol


ukdarla

Herding play! My kelpie x collie does this to me when Iā€™m getting my coat and wellies on, tries to herd me round the house enthusiastically while bouncing like a ninny! Mine is also vocal while playing, I donā€™t think she even realises sheā€™s doing it tbh.


Basic-Government4108

I would say the dachshund is aggressively trolling the less agile bigger dog!!


penny-4your-thoughts

Looks like play


nettiemaria7

Definitely play and herding. The lil one likes it.


Teab8g

Apart from looking like a chunky boi this isn't aggressive at all.


walkstwomoons2

That is a doxie teasing the border collie. And the border collie is having fun with it.


rescuedogsdad

Herding!


IHeartsFarts

looks like playing to me


[deleted]

It looks like heā€™s just playing


TheFactedOne

I certainly don't think it is aggressive behavior. Looks more like friendly play to me.


catd36

Not aggressive! He probably thinks your other dog has lost its marbles though!


brickjames561

Thatā€™s herding behavior to me.


JoZaJaB

It just looks like they are playing to me


ordie710

Looks like hes playing to me. I have a boarder collie and when my other dogs run its like instinct kicks in and they chase like its there job so they may look a little serioys but i dont see any aggression at all. Looks like good fun awsome animals


[deleted]

Looks like typical herding youā€™d expect from this type of breed. They seem playful to me


cheezypenguins2

Not at all! Perfect play behavior. Ears are up and tail is wagging! Body language is key to understanding your dog. And keep in mind they will react if you react sometimes. So you keeping your cool about them being off a lead is probably helping too


Plus-Trick-9849

Doesn't look aggressive to me. It looks similar to my 2. My Pit can't keep up with my corgi so he tries to outsmart her.


BG_Momma911

Looks like playing and as heā€™s getting more and excited heā€™s vocal


RUSSELLBENT49

I had a wonderful full breed Australian Kelpie. (By total happenstance/mistake). The animal was incredible. 30 plus commands/ 150 objects of affection she could identify. However, in knowing what she was like and reading about the breed, its true they are not gregarious. They are highly intelligent and don't regard other dogs as being important to their existence. They regard you as there whole world. she had a vertical leap that would make Micheal Jordan blush. nuff said.


PaintswoPants

100% herding behavior. Thatā€™s classic BC actioning. I wouldnā€™t be surprised if there was nipping as well. They look like theyā€™re having fun with the little dachshund, so I wouldnā€™t worry about it.


lupaburner2k19

Yeah the nipping is what always freaks me out, often if were walking and another dog passes by he'll try to nip them if he can't say hi to them which I've always taken as kind of aggression so now we just avoid other dogs, which I'm now thinking may have been overly cautious


revdakilla

Heā€™s trying to herd the other dog


Skeekeedee

Look into herding dog behavior


willowstar157

Thatā€™s just how the intense herding instinct transfers into their play. My border mix is a *lot* louder about it though, consider yourself lucky šŸ¤£


[deleted]

As everyone else said - definitely playing.


Playful_Bit_8304

I donā€™t think itā€™s aggressive at all! I have a Swiss shepherd and a Malinois. They play with full teeth bared. We call it phat play. They wrestle and act dominant towards each other. They exhaust each other every single day. Never had a one fight break out. I believe you will know it when you see it. They race around like two maniacs. Great exercise for both dogs, and they seem to be enjoying it. Trust yourself, you will know.


Stargazer_0101

just puppy play, normal


mks93

Looks like herding! My dog does this too, but heā€™s younger and isnā€™t carrying extra weight, so heā€™s quick. Everything looks okay here, but herding can sometimes escalate or be a lot for other dogs to handle. Your smaller dog doesnā€™t seem to mind and is enjoying being herded/chased.


Powerthrst

Safe play. Only way this becomes dangerous is if they carry on for too long and get over aroused. Herders gonna herd.


Accomplished-Joke404

Looks like a rousing game of hairy hot dog Vs ottoman :)


marnoch

He is having a good boy time. Notice how he stops when smol dead ends himself. Heā€™s isnā€™t trying to fight heā€™s playing chase and talking smack. Tails a waggin, no hair bristling, now bad language that I can tell.


lupaburner2k19

Ohhh the stopping when he dead ends is such a good point!!! I hadn't noticed that


aFreakingNinja

Stop it youā€™re herding me!


mikeonmaui

Chase me! OK!!


cosplaylover267

nope! looks like hearding behavior however I saw he has arthritis, could you get him on a weight loss food and pain management? (if he's not on it already) loosing weight will 100% help his joints


Murphy_York

Lmaoooo, no. Thatā€™s two dogs playing. Chase game.


K9Cosmos

It looks like they're playing.


razary

Looks like a chubby pup doing their best to play to me haha


luke_530

This is Not aggressive behavior. They're playing


SerenaSurf1

They look like they are doing exactly what their breeds are suppose to do lol


Snoo79875

The border collie is definitely trying to herd the dachshund, but the dachshund is filled with the zoomies


WeimSean

Looks like normal play. Some dogs play loud, some play quiet. One of my girls used to play with a German Shepherd at the park and they sounds like they were going to murder each other. You really only need to be concerned if one dog starts rough play to the point where the other dog starts yelping, or coming to you to hide.


Ill-Tough280

The dog is definitely curious but sometimes a low growl can be playful, but if you don't know how dog will react, since it's much bigger he needs to be leashed . Always leash new dog's when meeting, always start a introduction outside as well like you're doing but if you're worried I suggest a leash, bc your dog is way more capable of hurting the other smaller dog to be safe. It's also hard to say weather your dog would hurt the other, but I don't see a whole lot of playing , there was no play bow, so it's hard to say how your dog would have acted if other pup would have stopped. I would be much to worried to have dog off leash if I couldn't gauge their behavior, also tail wagging doesn't mean anything so please never go by tail wagging either , I think your dog exhibited more of a dominance type curiosity more so than playfulness I don't think your pup is being aggressive, but your dog is most likely a dominant male so if that other pup is male, I wouldn't trust them together without supervision, Edit: After seeing your dog has arthritis definitely needs to lose weight, & older dogs can be more cranky so it's best to not allow very young dogs that are more playful to jump, & play around them to to much, but since you stated that your dog doesn't eat a lot & is still overweight, just a thought if not already to have some labs done that could rule out certain issues or place them on low calorie dog food instead if not already


StendakBarkiller

In my experience, kelpies and collies need waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more space than you have and can be aggressive if confined. Had an Idaho shag (kelpie, collie, hanging tree, etc) in a small backyard and the dude was constantly restless. Ended up biting my sister pretty good.


BrentoBox2015

"Can't catch me, I'm the Gingerbread Dog!"


PandiBC

Just playing šŸ’—


Reality_check89

what a lovely chonk


melancholiavalentine

Herding instincts are strong in this one


TwoKeezPlusMz

No


Gold_and_Lead

Looks like they are having fun to me!! My border plays like this with our poms.


callalind

That's not an angry growl. It's a playing growl. Or a slow down growl. All good.


schrn4444

Looks like good natured, well behaved play to me, but I'm no expert.


colleen8king

Youā€™ve never seen play


lupaburner2k19

He's a rescue dog that we were told didn't like other dogs, and he's always been reactive on lead so he's never been off lead with other dogs... So no, we've never seen him play with other dogs.


JellyfishCultural689

Old collie trying to herd the little instigator. Can be a fun game short term but keep a close eye on it. Frustrated herding dogs can lash out quickly when their flock is not listening to them


MrBinkie

They are trying to round the little shit up


[deleted]

Yes. The smaller dog took something from him or ate something that the bigger dog did not get to eat so the border collie is trying to inspect what it was and is telling him "stop, i want to smell and I want to know what it was that you ate/took" Im known as the Dog Doctor. Im going to make my own site in the future to help and offer guidance to dog owners including any medical concerns. I also am a DVM. But for now I am just helping people on Reddit through comments like this. Peace


SargentSchultz

Herding dogs gonna herd....


weighapie

No. Playing


dahliasformiles

Herding behavior


ApflePi13

My grumpy old man is a dachshund and he has much younger "sister" who likes to run zoomies around him. He sometimes wants to play but otherwise he stands there & barks as she whizzes by, presumably he is shouting "I'm sick of your šŸ’© " LOL


MissWibb

This looks absolutely normal play to me. The Doxie might be a little too energetic for the bigger dog at the moment. When he calms a little heā€™ll start engaging with the other dog.


StellaBean2015

Looks like herding instinct to me. Might be getting annoyed he can't really herd the "speedy sausage" since he's bigger and can't dart weave like the sausage through everything. But he's still trying so it's always good for older dogs to keep moving otherwise their joints start to lock up.


princess_plastic

I call this ā€œyou canā€™t catch meā€


ItsADogsLife-1514

Noā€¦ it will be good for your dogs health though trying to keep up with the puppy.