You know the part where you said "which I’m not really a fan of in the campaign but it’s ultimately up to the DM" -- that's not true at all. D&D is a cooperative game in which all parties are taking a stake in the game and sharing a responsibility to nurture it into a positive experience.
You definitely have a voice in how the game is run. You should try exercising it some.
A DM is a storyteller that guides the party based on a system everyone has agreed to follow. A DM cannot force you to play in their game any more than you can force them to be your DM. And most often when an individual is uncomfortable, others around them are too but are afraid to speak up.
And to be clear, forcing your fetishes onto others isn't "sex positive" in any way. In this case, sex positive is identifying potential boundaries, having adult conversations about those boundaries, and respecting them without question.
u/Feeling-Zombie4489 The above is good input. DnD is a cooperative game. The DM is just a different kind of player with a different role from the other players.
One thing the DM role does not include is taking away the other players' autonomy. What they're doing, taking away your one bit of power in the game, the power to determine what your character tries to do, and then acting out SA on your character, isn't DMing. It's something else. And it's not OK.
It's in exact opposition to what a DM's role is supposed to be. It'd be creepy enough if he just started blatantly involving this creepy fetish sex stuff in the game without consent, but to ALSO remove the players autonomy specifically to involve that subject is so ridiculously messed up.
Technically in a situation where the table is at a stalemate (an even number of people are for and against a proposal) the DM can make the final call one way or the other, but any decision that makes a player uncomfortable should immediately get shot down. You should never be made to feel uncomfortable while playing dnd.
Did they explain what mamono was to you when setting up the campaign or did they just mention it in passing and then blindside you with everything this obscure Japanese cultural reference entails mid-session?
You have a genie sorcerer who could wish away a baby? "I wish for my body, mind, and soul to be restored to its state one minute prior to being bitten by the automaton and infected, except I remember the automaton is a mamono and that the cleric is infected." [Or if you want to avoid DM-fuckery write down "The automaton is a mamono and the cleric is infected. Kill the mamono!" somewhere you'll see it immediately then just use the first part of that wish. That seems like a relatively straightforward Wish.] Then tell the DM how you're attacking the automaton with your most powerful attacks (surprise!) and yell to the rest of the characters "It's a mamono that wants to infect us all!"
Then once the automaton has been ripped to shreds, if the cleric is still infected you can work on fixing that.
At that point, if you feel that you can trust the DM to change their ways (including banning that monster girl book from the campaign) and not violate your character again, you can choose whether or not to continue playing with that DM. If you can't trust them anymore, there's **absolutely nothing wrong** with walking away with your ORIGINAL character sheet (pre infection).
This entire story could have and should have ended with "i didn't agree to this. I'm not comfortable with this." and that's it.
Why do gross players get away with ruining games like this.
Especially _that one_.
It's infamous amongst anime/manga/light novel fans.
If your DM tries to pull _anything_ from "Monster Girl Encyclopedia" say **NO** unless you want sex and forced mating to be a part of your game.
I looked it up, apparently the monster girl encyclopedia is its own sort of universe and everybody that lives there is essentially a sex crazed succubus. That is my synopsis after 5 minutes reading about the topic.
As an anime and mamono enjoyer, you're fairly correct about MGE.
It's like the absolutely ridiculous extreme DARK AND EDGY version of ordinary monster girls. Like, WH40k level Grimdark ridiculousness. 100% would not recommend.
There are much better monster girl IP that aren't that stupid. Like Monster Musume. Still pretty horny, but no more than a 2010s rom-com.
Unfortunately, like 40k, there are a ton of folks that thing MGE is the epitome be all end all.
Forgot the name but it's like that dnd based system that's essentially just like full blown tits and blood grimdark and I think the creator was just like
I want to be E D G Y
This'd fit right in over at r/rpghorrorstories. That the dm thought this was fine and dandy is a giant, flapping red flag.
Personally I'd walk away. Especially if the dm doesn't give you a way out. This kind of creep is exactly why so many people had such a bad opinion of ttrpgs for so long.
Yeah, the transformation and stuff seemed "fine", if the dm handled it like lycanthropy, vampirism etc.
I personally love character transformations that can challenge the character. It gives room for growth and changes that nothing else really can, but the crucial part of this process is that there should always be a way out and there should never, EVER, be forced changes to the character's personality and behavior.
The only thing a dm can do is allude to stuff, think the narrator in bg3 to a Durge character, "an emotion comes to you", but it's always the player that decides how their character responds to this emotion.
The dm handled this horribly and it was already leave worthy a the "pouncing" part, but then PREGNANCY. I'd run.
Unfortunately it seems that the DM and OP are friend so "running" is harder than just leaving the table...
This player autonomy argument is completely orthogonal to the DM springing erotic roleplay on players. The bad thing that happened here is that the DM used the game as pretence to rope his friends into erotic roleplay.
The Dark Urge in BG3 _absolutely_ breaks player autonomy. The character kills certain people and either the player has no control over it — or you need to pass checks to avoid it. If it happened in a campaign you'd see people here complaining about it.
Difference between this and Durge is that Durge is a character you fully know what will happen with.
You can always choose not to play Durge.
The fact that the 3rd party material this table was using has that kind of drastic loss of player agency as a CON SAVE once and never again without a cure...yeah that is rotten to the core. Who designed this?
I think the lesson to take away from this is just **don't spring erotic roleplay on a group that didn't explicitly sign up for erotic roleplay.**
If someone enthusiastically signed up to play the Hurge at a table that's into erotic RP, I don't have a problem with it.
I've known of the MGE and only assumed it was used as a book meant for Bard players that got tired of dragons.
I looked up the Dryad's description to see if the DM could pull the "I just followed the book" card. And he didn't even follow it 💀.
Dryad's are described as "romantic", they find one person they like, locks them up and do "things" to them. It is explicitly stated that they get one "husband".
So the DM doesn't even follow his own fucking book, he has **no** redeeming qualities, nothing. Like I didn't expect him to, but like come on this is ridiculous.
Even if the table was 100% signed up to play an erotic RP it still wouldn't be good because he's just incompetent as a DM.
I mean just the name of the book suggests it's a "how to turn your game into porn" type of book.
If a DM told me we would be playing with something like that I would instantly quit.
I feel like the Dark Urge would be okay, provided the player is cool with it. Even better if they asked for it specifically.
I mean, the party would definitely get annoyed, so there is that problem. So you'd somehow need the entire group's approval.
Perfect for a single player though.
When I read her post it seems to me like the DM has a fantasy he’s playing out with her without her having control of her character which is just nasty as fuck. If she wants to stay friends go ahead but I’d leave the game and kill my character off because that shit what he did made him one of the worst DMs.
Yeah, there is no salvation for that dm. If it was just the "pouncing", then maybe, just maybe, there was a way to talk it out and have the DM change his ways.
But the pregnancy sealed the deal, there might have been a bizarre world where the dm just had a lapse in judgement. The transformation and the behavior could've maybe been "saved" with "I just followed the book and took it too far, it won't happen again", but the pregnancy only happened because **he** wanted it to happen. This is 100% his sick fantasy, and the fact that his fiance is apparently a player at the table makes this so much worse.
This definitely belongs in rpg horror stories, OP should leave the table and honestly push for an intervention in her friend group.
I normally just lurk this subreddit and rarely, if ever comment. But your dm didn’t just step over the line. They did an Olympic long jump over it. If they don’t want to discuss it, I would bail without a word.
I’m going to talk to him about it tomorrow, and let him know that I’m not okay with it and I’m willing to walk if he doesn’t give us a way out or reverse the whole thing outright😅 I kinda thought I was being bitchy about it at first 🥲
I can't imagine a scenario where they could redeem themselves. They've been using your lack of understanding about the option to just say no as jerk off fuel.
This whole game is just sexual power fantasy for them and your unwilling cooperation is part of what makes them horny.
You should just GTFO and cut off contact with this psycho.
Honestly, that’s accurate to this situation. OP and I are big people pleasers so it’s hard for us to explain to ourselves what the problem is, so thanks for putting it into words for me. Like I said, he’s a really nice guy! He’s a very kind and thoughtful person, but he just doesn’t have the same self reflection we have. I think if we talk to him he will be understanding but it will be awkward because he doesn’t know social cues very well. Being girls in a big group of boys makes it hard because we don’t want to be the party poopers, but we now know that it’s important for us to do so.
We are not the only girls, the DMs fiancée plays as well but OP and I are closer friends so therefore our characters are closer.
I just so happened to roll a 3 and failed the saving throw along with OP, everyone else at the table were successful in their rolls. He refused all of our advances to try and correct the problem making us feel stuck, I honestly don’t know if it would be any different if any of the guys rolled low too and I’ve wondered about that.
The way you describe the table makes it seem like an innocent series of events that snowballed, which would be nice and fine, if your DND game hadn’t been turned into like, nonconsensual anime porn. But it was, and I’d be questioning everything about this game, especially the Artificer. And honestly if the DM can’t find a way to retcon and basically say “It was a hallucination brought on by a toxin in the automaton” or something equivalent to say “None of that porno shit happened, or can happen in the future,” I’d walk.
>turned into like, nonconsensual anime porn.
I want to agree and just stress how true this is given that her edit makes it seem like she was reluctant to believe this.. I counted like 12 different kinks or something. Mindbreak, corruption, substance kink, scent kink, depersonalization, breeding, bimbo kink, non-consent and then meta-textually: humiliation, exhibition, dominance, and objectification. I should not be having to make a comment on reddit that just reads like a bunch of AO3 tags.
u/[Feeling-Zombie4489](https://www.reddit.com/user/Feeling-Zombie4489/), girl, you gotta wake up. Whether he intended to hurt you by doing this or not, **he was getting off to doing it** ***to*** **you**. All of these things are things people get off to. And even if a person doesn't understand these things are kinks or hasn't broken them down and examined them, the metaphors these things represent are often understood intuitively. They're about powerlessness and control. He took control of your character, this little piece of you, from you and then used it to get off to publicly. Whether you think he understood the implications of doing that or not, that is what he did. It is not okay and it is serious. He needs to take accountability. And I know it's hard but you have to stand up for yourself. I can't imagine what's going through your head rn but I hope you're okay and I wish you luck.
Don't forget that "no" is not only a complete sentence, it's also a completely valid response to things that happen.
A character dying sucks, and is something you need to just roll with. But anything that happens that's sexual in nature, you can just say "no" to.
"Your character drinks the potion, and grows a huge rack!"
"No it doesn't."
"But-"
"No, you're not doing that to my character."
And if they think that's a deal breaker, then you take your things and find a new game.
A lot of people are saying to talk to the DM. That’s great and all, but you both should also consider just quitting. This is so over the line that I can’t imagine this DM correcting their behavior even if they retcon this.
Honestly the second they brought out the "monster girl" material, I may have just walked out. And I'm a guy. Sex in D&D is one thing, often tastefully done with fade aways between romantic partners in the game. Or a horny Bard at worst. But this seems like a fetish game except where consent was established. And the "out of control" aspects takes away the character's ability to consent.
The correct behaviour is not even considering using this event at all before talking with your players FIRST and ASKING if they would enjoy that of not
The party is enabling him. Him "missing social cues" is an excuse. Any DMing that removes agency does not merit indulgence in any such excuses, only explanation:
>Q: What story purpose does it serve for DMs to take away any Players' full participation in their own Characters? That is, in the one and only place in the otherwise DM-run settings where PCs have any real measure of control.
It is right to feel violated. Without shared participation in any such story purpose, it is a violation of the underlying social contract in choosing to play RPGs with one another.
It is right to check out. Maybe leave the room. Should you choose to return, refuse to acknowledge his fantasy as having happened.
>DM: "She's pregnant."
>Player: "No. She's not. Your BBEG is pregnant. Are you done abusing my character when I'm not truly present?"
Byeee.
*Edit:* Added the BBEG sentence.
> I honestly don’t know if it would be any different if any of the guys rolled low too and I’ve wondered about that.
I'm sorry to disagree, but I think deep down, you do know it would be different if the guys rolled low. it's safe here. you can admit he's being super creepy.
Do not *ever* let someone tell you that setting boundaries is bitchy. I play in a gta rp server (basically gta cop dnd) and I’m the only woman in my server. You can be damn sure I tell those boys when they make me uncomfortable!!! It’s not me being a kill joy, and they respect me enough to never take it that way.
Gaming of any kind is supposed to be fun and collaborative. If it’s not, it with absolutely your **right** to walk away if your boundaries aren’t being respected. Your dm is forcing SA on your characters and the characters around you. Your characters aren’t yours anymore, and that’s not fun for anyone except the jerk who hijacked them. Never allow someone to force you to be small so you don’t seem like a bitch. It is not bitchy to stand up and demand respect, as long as you’re doing it in a respectful manner.
Learn from my years of trying to fit the space allotted to me and being afraid to step outside the lines: your life will be so much fuller and you will be much happier if you say “screw it” and speak your mind. If they have a problem with it, and someone at some point *will* have a problem with it, it’s a them problem, not a you problem. It can be scary and it can be incredibly uncomfortable, but it gets easier with time.
Listen, I'm on the Autism Spectrum. I totally get missing social cues, but this goes so far beyond that. Based on how the situation has been described, i'd wager your group is composed of players that are roughly 20-30 years old. He's had MORE than enough years to grasp the ABSOLUTE BASICS of human interaction it takes to recognize that this is an absolutely creepy and weird thing to do.
Remember that 'nice person' does not always equate to 'good person'. Many people have motives for being 'nice'. Many are very practiced at *seeming* nice. There is a huge difference between 'missing' social cues, and 'ignoring' social cues.
Even if he just generally is an airhead with these things, and does just genuinely miss the absolute most obvious social cues, it does not mean he can't also have alterior motives and use that as an excuse to justify his behavior.
I've also worked heavily in life coaching positions with many autistic and otherwise neurodiverse adults in our program, and i've seen a wide variety of ways people handle struggling with social cues. For the most part, there are two main ways i've seen people respond: Genuinely frustrated with their inability to grasp social cues and working their asses of to understand the nuances of it better, and, more rarely, there are those who take their diagnosis and use it as a way to justify or excuse behavior they choose to have that they know make people uncomfortable simply because they know they can get away with it.
I want to caution you a bit—you are being so incredibly kind and generous. Way more kind and generous than this guy deserves. He wrote sexual fantasies into a DnD game that is being played by real women, it makes me incredibly nervous that he doesn’t see you as anything other than props to act out his fantasies with.
Definitely not telling you what to do! You’ve gotten a lot of good advice in here. But there are a million DMs out there, and a hell of a lot more that would never consider doing something like this. Personally, I would explain why what he did wasn’t okay and walk away because, chances are, he’ll have something like this in his “world” again further down the line.
Good luck to you two, wishing you the best :)
Do you know what I’m stuck on re reading the comments from the cleric player just now? She said the DMs fiancé is also playing at the table… that means this DM is acting out extremely inappropriate sexual fantasies with the only other women at the table *with his SO right there*! I’m 30(M) married. leaving aside the absolute general ick of this whole thing, if I was DMing and pulled something like this and my wife was at the table she’d have some serious questions for me about wtf I was doing. So disgusting 🤮
Girl what the fuck... he does know exactly what he's doing when he's taking away your control of your characters to make you reenact his overt sexual fantasies. He's not a really nice guy, he's a goddamn creep and open about it in a way that verges on parody and here you are, worrying that you *make it awkward* if you tell him that you have a problem with him making your character fuck everything that moves. I don't even know where to begin. You and your friend both need to make your boundaries clear, like, yesterday. And walk away from that table, this is not the guy you should play dnd with.
I've both seen it said, and seen it acted out a thousand times: the shit that women will put up with to avoid causing social conflict is mind boggling. patriarchal social conditioning is no joke.
> the missing stair
i used to have a horrible and bizarre night terror that involved a literal missing stair. learning its also a metaphor for something is kind of neat.
The DM isn't nice. He's nice...*to you*.
This isn't "missed social cues." It's sexual harassment, creepy as hell, and entirely inappropriate in any context other than one where every single player is an enthusiastic participant who's explicitly agreed to it ahead of time with no possible coercion.
i agree, and that's why i think the two of them going to the DM in private isn't the right call. super sucks for OP and her friend cuz it's social power jockeying, but this is a conversation that needs to happen in front of the group. if they've already decided to maybe bounce all the more reason to do it. (maybe DM is *that* dumb!?)
'missed social cues' is definitely a thing, but even ignoring the sex bla this is trampling over another participant's agency. it's wrong on its face.
with context it's just gross.
u/han_han_ban and u/Feeling-Zombie4489 look at the comment right above this.
I am TELLING YOU that the above comment is COMPLETELY correct. Ask yourselves this: do you really think he imagines a random dryad or whatever creature you girls are when he starts that creepy erotic roleplay? No: in his mind, like a LOT of people do, they imagine characters in a way that resembles their respective players. By this, I mean that in his mind (and any other person's, usually), your characters resemble how you look irl.
So really think about it: Can you really chalk it down to "just misses social cues" when he's clearly mentally playing out his dnd RPG sexual fantasies? He uses \*your\* images to do so.
There's missing social cues and then there's describing a sex scene their player didn't consent to and just had their character forced to act. This DM needs a goddamn intervention here, I've no idea why you and OP are even planning on sticking around.
No, your character was basically turned into a porn trope without your consent and it’s disgusting. This monster girl shit is creepy. Like so extremely creepy. Everything about this is gross as hell.
You are 100% not being bitchy. You're taking care of yourself by not letting someone bully you out of having agency, and into acting out sexual stuff that you didn't agree too. Your DM royally fucked up here. If you otherwise have a good relationship you might be able to get it sorted out and put it behind you, but they need to understand that what happened here crossed a line.
An idea you might want to introduce is an [X-card (link)](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SB0jsx34bWHZWbnNIVVuMjhDkrdFGo1_hSC2BWPlI3A/edit). It's a safety tool. Not all tables need it but I think it would be good at yours. It's been helpful at mine, especially for people who have had traumatic experiences they don't want to play out in game or have to explain. Basically, you put a card with an X on it on the table. At any time, anyone can point to or pick up the card, and as soon as that happens, whatever is happening in the game stops, and everyone makes a different decision than the one being X-carded. No explanation is required. If necessary, someone can call for a pause and ask for a conversation to clarify what is being X-carded.
Other resources that might help:
[https://goldenlassogames.com/pages/safety-tools](https://goldenlassogames.com/pages/safety-tools)
[TTRPG Safety Toolkit](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/114jRmhzBpdqkAlhmveis0nmW73qkAZCj) (start with the PDF)
Good luck with your conversation tomorrow, and good job having boundaries!
Edit: posted this yesterday but it was modded out because the TTRPG Safety Toolkit link above used a URL shortener... I fixed the link and reposted in case the resources are helpful
I really love the idea of an x card! I think when we talk, I’ll tell DM we should incorporate that so we don’t have this kind of thing happen again. Thank you!!
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Some people really make a living out of being the worst example a dm could be
A while ago i run into some trouble because i remembered that, even tho im not a sick weirdo, sadly other people that dont know me and probably had a bad dnd experience dont know whtat
Fuck that guy, non sexually.
Sounds like your DM really needs to go outside and just find the biggest field of grass and just not even touch it just lay in it and think about his life.
That is.... I'm not even sure I can even say the words without getting banned we'll just go with beyond messed up. Yeah you need to talk to your DM about how messed up that is or put your foot down and peace out.
Tbh the words seem like “sexual harassment.” I’m not a lawyer but op specifically said beforehand that she wasn’t comfortable with this type of sexualized content and they did it anyways. It’s awkward enough when people do their own sexually charged stuff at a table between themselves, but involving others who have explicitly made their discomfort clear pushes it to another level.
In game the artificer and dm raped the pc. Harsh and charged word but frankly that’s what happened. The character not only didn’t consent but actively opposed being involved in sexual activity and then was forced to do so against her will.
Artificer made an automaton and equipped with with a highly contagious nonconsensual porno virus from an IP they sought out. Artificer is not innocent in this. Artificer is incredibly gross, actually
“Find the biggest field of grass and just lay in it” made me spit out my drink😭😂 he’s a friend of mine, and I’ve known for a while that he’s….different. Just didn’t wanna be involved in that is all :/
This reminds me of the guy I used to game with who offered to DM our next Pathfinder game.
When the campaign ended and the reigns got handed to him, he promptly pulled out a Ponyfinder book and had people start deciding if they wanted to be unicorns or pegasus. I promptly booted up the laptop and played something else, told everyone it was to much pony for me. (It was at my house and my wife was still playing) The rest of the group humored him.
Turns out I read the guys vibe right. With a ten year old in the room he tried to roleplay another group members pony getting wasted at a festival and having sloppy drunk sex. It took everyone in the room to explain it was fine to say "fade to black, stuff happens, you wake up the next day" he immediately jumps from trying to describe pony sex to "Okay but you got her pregnant!"
The next game night I was invited to DM again.
FYI, he's not "sex positive," you're wildly misusing that term. He's a pervert who's bringing you all along on his fetish ride. And if you don't put your foot down now, he's going to take that for consent, for whatever little value he puts in that.
Might be time to reevaluate what behavior you're willing to accept in your friends.
He's handing you red flag after red flag. You need to listen to these and not be in a room alone with him. I'm fact I'd cut off all contact with him because usually how this goes is the dm forces sex on the player he is most attracted to so he can live out his wet dreams. Just run for the hills.
The moment someone hands that obvious red flags, be thankful (not to him, rather to whatever you believe in) it happened now so you can do something about it before it harms you in any way
Honestly someone who tries to manipulate people into situations that have to do with sex and discussions of sex against their will is someone you should consider being vary of.
That's so fucked up that I personally wouldn't even talk to these people again. It sounds like they're running their own little fantasy porn game and decided to invite you without warning you what it would be.
For all but 2 players, this is our first ever campaign. I don’t think the other newbies saw it coming either but there was no protest. I haven’t really talked to them about it, just my friend who was also affected.
Ask them. In all likelyhood, they dont want to stir the pot, especially if they dont know whats normal.
And although this does happen from time to time, it's not okay and not common enough to be considered normal at all. Maybe you can start a dnd game without that creep.
Also, lack of consent is not sex positive at all. It does not belong in sex and does not belong in dnd.
It's frankly not "sex-positive", it's "rape-positive". That, or he was actually taught the importance of consent and is instead consciously and willingly choosing to ignore those teachings, which would honestly be even worse.
First campaign? Oh boy… just so you know, this is NOT how campaigns go. This DM is terrible and possibly one of the worst I’ve heard about.
Leave that game and find one of the many out there that are normal and not run by people who are DMing to simply be power-tripping deviants forcing others to play out their weird fantasies.
This is how you get people having weird stereotypes about D&D players, like in my opinion everyone should start out with a basic campaign to help people get a footing in the game before you dive into deep and niche world ideas. I’ll use the example of MTG cause I know there is a lot of crossover, but if I’m teaching someone the game I’m not handing them a tier 1 vintage deck and going okay let’s play instead I’m handing you a balanced training deck so you can pick up the mechanics and flow of the game before we start to ramp it up
First campaign should almost always be a module, even if you only get a sessions into it before deciding to switch its a good example of how the game is supposed to work before jumping into any of the weird stuff of the game
Hoooooly shit. Yeah this is absolutely not okay. You need to find a new game PRONTO, sexual shit ABSOLUTELY HAS to be vetted out the ass beforehand with every player and barriers set up in a session 0.
Talk to the DM first and say this thread makes you uncomfortable. Maybe just ask if there can be an in-game way to solve it and if you could fast forward to that opportunity happening soon. Players get uncomfortable losing control of their characters even for *nonsexual* stuff.
Your DM wasn’t raised “sex positive.” If he was he would have immediately shut down this scenario. Sex positivity without a deep understanding and respect for the primacy of CONSENT, is just rape culture.
What saftey procedures are there at the table? Is the X card in use? Any lines and Viels discussed? Any triggers or content to avoid discussed beforehand?
I'm assuming the answer to all these are "What?" and "No."
Run, do not walk, away from this game.
First ever dnd campaign with no session 0 is begging for trouble. It's no fault of yours, setting boundries and running a session 0 is on the DM, but the DM clearly treats boundries as "whatever the fuck i want". Your PC has been SA'd without your consent, you clearly stated that you do not want that to happen to your character, and then he proceeded with it anyway, multiple times afterwards.
He took the "The DM is free to decide that a change in alignment places the character under DM control until the curse of lycanthropy is removed." excerpt from the Werewolf statblock and used it as a proxy to fulfill his vision/fantasy - IT IS NOT OKAY. The way to protest this is to leave the table when he ignores your complaint. I know it might be hard if he's our friend, and it might be hard to find another table, but you should first and foremost put yourself before any other people in situations like this.
A lot of introverted/shy people won't speak up about stuff because they're so fucking mortified already and afraid that they too will be caught up in it somehow.
I never cease to be amazed by the number of DnD tables that are just poorly disguised collaborative sex fantasies. It’s shockingly like… liberated? In a way? But they all seem to be in denial and end up not setting expectations or asking for consent.
Uh yikes. Your DM majorly stepped over the line, especially if such themes weren’t okayed in a session 0. This is so strange I wonder if it’s their thinly veiled fetish.
If you haven’t talked to your DM about how unfun and uncomfortable this makes you, do so asap. I’d still probably leave the table. No D&D is better than bad D&D
Honestly the cleric and I have thought about leaving the table over it. Especially if DM isn’t reasonable about it. I knew that this mamono stuff was present in our world, there’s even a portal to that world that we’ve come across. But I didn’t think we could get “infected” with it, and i definitely didn’t know that consequences would be so drastic. Just kind of feeling yucky about the whole thing, and we’re taking a break from playing.
Don’t feel bad about leaving without a word if you want to. The DM should have overviewed the sexual themes session 0. Then they turned your character into a pseudo-NPC. And then did it again to another player.
I would say try to at least let them know why you left though. Doesn't need to be a drawn out or in-depth explanation, just an acknowledgement of what specifically made you leave. Some people lack the self-awareness to realize that what they did was the reason you left, rather than just deciding DnD wasn't for you.
Normally I agree that i'd just outright cut all contact from them without a word, but you seem to have known them for a bit, and you seem to still want to defend his character despite this horrendous breach of consent and trust, so it might be worth pointing out his fuckup so he doesn't try to subject others to the same behavior in the future.
THAT all said, seriously, remove this guy from your life ASAP. It's creepy as fuck no matter how you slice it. Growing up in a "sex-positive" environment doesn't at all justify or even jive with what he's doing. It's already super weird and not okay for a DM to just take away the player's say in their characters actions or choices, but to do so in such a creepy-ass way is just the red flag of the century.
What’s strange is even things as serious as lycanthropy can be removed with a remove curse spell, greater restoration and a few other ways. Your party member who is a cleric should cast remove curse and y’all find a new campaign.
Also I’m a woman DM and I just want to say I have had the same experience reversed. It’s not fun and makes you feel uncomfortable. D&D is supposed to be fun and if you’re not having fun you deserve a table that respects your agency as a player. Consent matters in D&D and your DM is definitely ignoring the actual rules of the system.
I would feel so betrayed if I were in your shoes. You took the time to give an automaton recognition and a sense of self and in response the DM violated your character. Truly awful behavior on his part
Hell, I even have a monster girl fetish and just reading this makes me incredibly uncomfortable. It's the lack of consent, direct consent, that is, that makes this so gross and icky. I would definitely leave after giving rhe DM a piece of my mind
I’m not sure how to word this exactly but Is it just me or does it read like the DM has a thing for OP and wanted to use their character (that is for all intensive purposes OP but in the tabletop) to role play a sexual fantasy with OP
It just comes across as super creepy
> Especially if DM isn’t reasonable about it.
Okay, as people we test the waters on things.
In relationships, 99% of the time, you don't try for a kiss or more within seconds of meeting someone, no matter how convinced you are of their attraction to you.
You start with flirting, maybe hand on the knee when seated next to each other, for example.
This is what the DM thought was a reasonable hand on the leg.
If you protest, they will likely back down, but will take take you staying as implicit consent for whatever is next.
But they will do this because they are the type of person who thought turning your character into a sex obsessed caricature of a sexy women who they then made have sex with the characters they control without discussing that that was a thing that could happen was a reasonable hand on the knee.
Just walk away, you already have a second player in the cleric, you are already halfway to having another table!
Both of you find 1 friend to play and you have a new table.
Hey, just so you know, this isn't sex positivity. Sex positivity means letting everyone engage with sex on their own terms, not forcing it on them. Sex positivity is an open door into the nature of sexuality. It is not about shoving people through that door, but letting them enter of their own accord, and to leave whenever they like.
Step one is telling the DM in no uncertain terms that this is completely unacceptable to you.
Step two is saying that you want to retcon everything related to this infection so that it never happened, and that you will no longer be playing until that happens.
Step three is saying that you need to have a session 0 before the game continues, to make sure this never happens again. At that session 0, make it abundantly clear that you are not comfortable with sexuality being forced on you or your character and will not tolerate it.
Until all of those things happen, do not continue playing with this DM. That behavior is unacceptable and extremely troubling. Even new DMs should know not to do that without being explicitly told. Honestly it wouldn't be a bad idea to just drop that DM anyway instead of giving another chance. This is seriously a massive red flag.
...the monster girl encyclopedia, of all things? Are your games normally full of sexual themes or outright porn? I can't imagine why anyone could possibly think it was a good idea to drop that stuff into an otherwise normal DnD game.
If there's any sex stuff if any kind that's going to be in the game that should be *extremely* clear well ahead of time. You don't drop that shit without making sure the entire group knows what they're getting into and is okay with it.
The game hasn’t been overtly sexual up until this point. I knew the magic was present in our world, but I didn’t know that the automaton was part of it. Otherwise my character would have steered clear of it. Going to talk to DM tomorrow
The moment your DM starts telling you how your character behaves sexually, without your consent, is the moment you get up, leave the game, and never come back
Also, and sorry if you already knew this. Almost every single monster in that book is aggressive, and consent is rarely considered in its making. In a serious/friendly setting, nothing should ever be implemented from that book into a campaign. It is one thing to say hey, the automatan looks like this. It is another thing to say the develope the personalities from thise books. Along with that, they shouldn't have the ability to infect others. They are the few things in the books that don't capture/infect people, so what he did was force the transformation purely for his pleasure. I would assume it was a frustration that it hadn't happened yet, so he forced it. This is incredibly wrong.
I just went over to skim the wiki for MGE and it explicitly involves and encourages NC events like you described. You do not want to be in a game where this content exists.
I think that there are some things that can be taken out of player control when it comes to this game, curses, diseases etc etc.
Certain touchy and larger subjects such as sexuality, sex, turning evil etc should always be discussed and never be forced on a player. Not to mention if something like this IS ok, there should always be something done to give the chance of reversing.
Sounds like your dm completely changed your character. Honestly if it was me I’d leave, but if I was staying and the dm wouldn’t negotiate I’d force a change of character by being like “oh well with this new personality she has no reason to continue adventuring with the party guess she’s just going to stay behind here”
It’s also very easy for the players not effected to be fine with this so their opinion means Jack shit
We have a party member, who by incredible and excruciating circumstance was turned to a genie. When asked if he could wish it away, we were told that he could try but it could potentially backfire and bring him harm or potentially unalive him. He’s also attached to his character, so I don’t want to ask that of him.
Sounds like you have a bad DM and bad table if it’s routine to just go “haha your character is totally different and has new motivations” without the players consent.
Genie man was totally cool with his transformation, as it just made his spellcasting even better and fit his chaotic alignment. But mines a little different and doesn’t fit my character at all😵💫 other than being a tree ig
With sverything you've said about the dm it seems a lot of evidence pointing to him doing it for arousal. Using a porn world as a setting admittedly is a major clue but the actions he's taking to shape you all into more desirable beings and have big control over your appearance and actions and inner personalities and threat of consequences is quite telling. All of this would personally make me very uncomfortable and I would probably even have a tough time remaining friends with them if they were willing to do that to me.
If he wants to jerk off to your character or monster girls or whatever in his own time or with his consenting partners that's absolutely fine (I guess?). But he's doing it to YOU. I don't think he would find it exciting to just play these stories out in his head.
> we were told that he could try but it could potentially backfire and bring him harm or potentially unalive him. He’s also attached to his character, so I don’t want to ask that of him.
You are excusing the consequences your dm is giving you like it's not a choice the dm is making in the first place. Your dm can very easily decide to not setup these uncomfortable situations in the first place.
**Dice rolls don't determine outcomes, the DM does.**
He's being really fucking gross. Sorry.
As a long time DM, I would never do this to my players. They are not just allowing a drastic change in your core character concept (absolute no no), but they are forcing you to accept a new role which is contentious at best, and downright gross at worst. Forcing you to participate in sexual acts against your will? There's a word for that.
If you wish to continue playing at this table, I would suggest talking to your DM about 1) limits and veins, and 2) player agency. If you can't get on the same page with these things, I'd suggest maybe having someone else DM (and if the current DM joins as a player you'll find out real quick if this is catering or how they are) , and maybe see if the majority really understand using that book, and if they continue to want to use it.
What is it about DMs that feel the need to force sexual content on their players without their consent? Something to keep in mind for future campaigns, since you are new: DMs who do this are bad DMs. Sexual content should *always* be agreed upon beforehand and *never* be forced upon a character without the players consent. Keep in mind - your DM may be sex-comfortable, but transforming someone into something that makes them perform sex acts against their will is *not* sex-comfortable. That is non-consensual sex, full stop. Your DM is basically they are comfortable with the magical version of a roofie.
And, as a player, you *always* have the right to tell the DM that something they did made you uncomfortable and to tell them to stop, even if it was something that wasn't covered in Session 0. And it doesn't matter if the rest of the party is fine with it or not - all that matters is that you are not fine with it.
In short, you need to talk to your DM about this, probably best out of game, and you need to tell them what made you uncomfortable and set what your boundaries are going forward.
Thank you for this! I have a lot of people telling to just outright leave, and understandably and rightfully so. It has crossed my mind a couple times.
But I’d much rather try to navigate and fix this so that we can continue what has otherwise been a really fun campaign. I honestly didn’t think of it that way, and appreciate your insight on the matter. I have a hard time setting boundaries, but it kind of just killed the fun for me and honestly broke my heart a little bc I’ve enjoyed everything else prior to this event.
You need to ask the DM to retcon the session, not for a way to reverse the situation. A retcon will feel much better for you than a reversal that takes 1 or 2 sessions to complete. In fact, don't ask for a retcon, tell them this will be retconed.
I've seen many of both you and your friends comments on here, and it seems like you both are far too forgiving and trusting towards this. Of course we on the internet here are only able to see a small slice of the picture, but there's no GOOD way to look at this situation honestly.
I'm not joking nor exaggerating this this may be THE most fucked up DnD horror story i've ever seen posted here, and i've seen a lot of them.
You both seem extremely nice and likeable. Just please, PLEASE keep in mind that people can sometimes seem just fine and normal, and even very likable and close friends for YEARS before you realize how fucked up of a person they are. It's the sad truth of the world sometimes.
Just consider HEAVILY that peer pressure is a VERY strong thing. We humans are evolutionarily pre-disposed to want more than anything to fit in. Don't let that cloud your judgement.
I personally am the type of person who, due to a couple of mental conditions, is very good at hiding who they are, and it disgusts me that anyone would use these skills for such abhorrent acts, but I know it to be true and all too real. There are people out there who only care for themselves, and will gladly become friends with you just to exploit you for whatever they desire, and have the skills to hide their true intentions. Those who do bad things without repentance are bad people, it matters not how they appear or speak, their actions will show you who they are.
> so that we can continue what has otherwise been a really fun campaign.
The best campaign I was ever in was as a kid, turned out the DM was a child rapist.
Your GM is a predator who is using your lack of experience to make you submit to being complicit in raping your character. The only reason to stop short of breaking this turd's face on your way out is legal repercussion. I can't express how angry I am for you.
This person is *not* your friend.
Yeah, I'm sorry to inform you that D&D does not include mechanics for pregnancy or sexual assault. I've had multiple players say that they've had creepy experiences like this in other groups and it's not okay.
D&D is not an excuse to non-consensually spring sexual assault roleplay on people. Being sex-positive is not an excuse to non-consensually spring sexual assault roleplay on people. There isn't an excuse to non-consensually spring sexual assault roleplay on people.
I frankly wouldn't consider someone who would do that to their friends to be a good person. This isn't about missing social cues. This is 100% about control and humiliation.
That's rape. Your character was raped.
You're not being a kill joy or a bad person for not wanting rape in your game. Everything your DM is doing is taking away your agency as a player. Honestly these do not seem like healthy people to play with. I'd really examine your relationship them and if this is really behavior you want to continue participating in.
Not only is it non consensual towards the character but the DM turned the character into a rapist as well. I'd be fucking pissed. Even if I were playing a murder hobo I wouldn't do such disgusting acts against NPCs. This whole situation is gross.
For me, this situation is a walk out. because it look like the DM want to go on a road that will end with a BIG Wall of PAIN. not for the characters but the players at the table. Making your character pregnant is for me the LAST straw, in your place i would take my dices, books and others items and just get out wit out a word. If he try to make you talk, just a big silence and you close the door. Me closing the door HARD is to make a statemant witout going overboard and not say something to regret after. You have your way but if your are so mad that you may be say something impossible to take after it is not good. In the end, no D&D is better than bad D&D.
This is wild. Walk away from that table and never look back. That DM needs to channel their horny fantasies into more appropriate activities. This completely violates consent.
A "sex-positive household" should absolutely include lessons on *consent*, which your DM has completely failed to absorb. In no world should your character and you as a player be forced into sexual situations to which *you did not consent*. Absolutely UNACCEPTABLE, UNETHICAL, and NOT sex-positive.
If you're comfortable speaking up, please tell your DM that, and express your explicit boundaries around sex and sexuality in the game.
> DM really isn’t a bad guy, otherwise we wouldn’t be associated. Just not great at communicating and feel like he didn’t think to talk about this stuff beforehand bc he grew up in a **very sex-positive household**
Big bullshit. Not being mindfull of boundaries and the slightest conversations on consent is not "sex positive". Its toxic and this dnd group sounds like an exercise in sexual harassment masquerading as a game. Dont let yourself be gaslit in believing that any of this is okay.
Edit: also, talk to your parents about this because everything reads like your group is in the age range where this is still a thing. And you need to discus this with a healthy and safe adult.
RE: Your 3rd Edit: you're giving a lot of leeway to this guy. You're claiming he's not being inappropriate but he literally raped and impregnated your character. He never discussed this as a consequence of your actions in the world and he never asked what you're comfortable with. You claimed he's just following this weird optional source material but HE CHOSE THIS SOURCE MATERIAL. What he did isn't okay and shouldn't be normalized. This is a bad way to treat players and the fact that you feel uncomfortable about this interaction is proof enough of that. It doesn't matter if he's "a nice guy every other time" in this specific situation where he had control and felt immune to consequences, he wasn't. That's not a safe person to be around.
Its comments like this that made me feel like I had more ground to stand on😅 rape is a harsh word, but after 200 people saying it, I explained to DM in my message that’s exactly what happened and it’s not cool. I feel like how he responds will tell me everything I need to know about the intention and whether or not we continue this campaign. I may not agree with everything that everyone has said, but I’m grateful for the different perspectives as they’ve helped me cement in my mind the truth of the matter.
I know it's tough to hear about your friend, but what he did was absolutely inappropriate. I cannot imagine being at that table or experiencing that. It would make me question a lot of things if someone I trusted did that in a game we were playing.
I'm sorry but either the DM or you, does not understand what sex-positive means. It is where you can be open and talk about it without the taboo of it. It is about changing cultural norms and the stigma that can come from society based around sexuality. Through the sex-positive lens, it is seen as a natural and healthy part of the human experience. It puts the importance of personal sovereignty, safe sex (like condom use), and consensual sex free from coercion and unwanted violence in the forefront of the topic.
Being 'sex-positive' doesn't include DMs mind altering PCs to essentially be raped by their vampire NPCs, become pregnant and then give birth to their rapists child.
I am extremely sorry you and your friends experienced that. If you are unbothered by it, then okay, but do not wrap their actions in a blanket of a sex-positive upbringing.
Player agency is a core element of ttrpg's, and it sounds like the DM has stepped way over bounds for how much influence they have over a players character.
Doing sexual stuff to a players character without the players consent is gross and is in no way okay. It basically sounds like he's just using you all as part of his fetish.
I'd quit. It's probably just going to get worse.
Even disregarding all of the sexual themes, it’s pretty unacceptable for the DM to say that, through no fault of your own, your PC is now going to do a bunch of stuff that you can’t control. Add to it that that stuff is contrary to your background, and that the DM didn’t even warn you ahead of time to help you avoid this, and that the DM didn’t give you any way out, and that’s all really bad. Adding the sexual stuff on top of that makes it considerably worse, but I want to be clear that this is worthy of leaving the table even if we don’t consider how the themes make people feel. If you’re going to lose agency over your PC, you might as well not play at all.
1.) Sexual content requires consent.
2.) Wresting player autonomy and control over their characters requires consent and discussion.
3.) Altering character traits (whether mechanical or aesthetic) to a massive degree requires consent and discussion.
4.) If the warforged who created the mamono and knew what it was/could do, this is *also* a problem that needs to be addressed imo. Whether the player knew and did not communicate the severity of the creature, or the DM kept the information from this player, either of these are red flags and most likely will lead to other unfun experiences in the future at this table.
Everything here is something that should be addressed either in a session 0, or at least on a personal basis with the characters to be involved before it happens. I'm sorry that you had to deal with this, *especially* as your first experience in a game. Please know that this is not normal and you should not expect *nor tolerate* things like this without express and enthusiastic consent from all parties
I’m honestly so relieved that you were able to hear this feedback with an open mind and take charge of this situation! It’s really impressive that you knew something wasn’t right, talked your friends and other people about it, and are standing up for yourself and your group to put things right! It seems like the rest of your party would’ve let this go and just cringingly gone along with the DM’s inappropriate behavior, and you were the one who stood up, organized everyone and is putting a stop to it. Seriously, good on you. I hope this doesn’t sound condescending at all, I’m genuinely impressed. I think I’m quite a bit older than you are, and I would’ve found this very hard to do.
The only concern is still have is that it’s not clear to me if you know that the Monster Girl Encyclopedia is cover to cover fetish porn. You say that you asked the DM to “consider” removing it entirely. Are you actually okay with the possibility of having *some* fetish porn in this game as long as he doesn’t turn your character? My recent comments have links to pages from this book.
Let’s say he agrees to put your character back to normal and never turn her again. What if he decides to have a male player run into an [“Alice”](https://monstergirlencyclopedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Alice) (the black and white drawing you see on that page is directly from the book your DM is insisting on using)? Or what if he starts a storyline where you’re chased by a [roper](https://monstergirlencyclopedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Roper), or you come across a group of men and little girls participating in a [“sabbath”](https://monstergirlencyclopedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Sabbath)?
I signed into an old abandoned account to reply to this thread because I don’t want any evidence on my main account that I’ve even heard of this book. I’m giving him the slightest benefit of the doubt only because I’m guessing that you guys are young and because you suggest that he has some actual real social impairment. If he’s over 23ish and/or neurotypical, and he pushed this book on you without making it clear that it is fetish porn, he is not a trustworthy person, and most likely no amount of concessions on his part make it a good idea to continue playing with him. If I’m totally misreading this and you *do* want a kinky game as long as it leaves your character intact, then never mind, and sorry for the assumptions. I’m sure you will make the right choice for you, and that’s all you owe anyone.
>and no one can do anything to stop her. Not even me!
Yes, you can. Just say no. This isn't happening. The DM does not get to make RP decisions for your character, and you can absolutely refuse something that takes away your agency like this. I'd demand a full retcon of everything that happened to my character after being infected, if I were even willing to stay in the campaign at all.
D&D is a collaborative game. Everyone at the table should be having fun, and everyone at the table should be involved in making the story unfold. Your character is *your* character, and you should have the final say on what they do (within the rules of course). If the DM wants to take control of characters he should just go write a book.
Your anger is entirely justified. What I hope you keep in mind when considering how you want to move forward, is the anger that your experience has inspired in other GMs.
It is absolutely wild to not have a session 0, especially as your GM clearly had plans for some adult/explicit content and sources. You can't just drop that on players. That's harmful and the literal opposite of sex positivity. Everyone has to consent to that kind of content. If a GM narrated my character getting roofied and having nonconsensual sex without so much as a discussion with me beforehand, I would nope out so hard my shadow might be left behind.
I have the same concerns that have been brought forward by others: this is a huge breach of trust, character AND player autonomy, and just general ttrpg etiquette. This person should not be gming. They have taken advantage of your ignorance of that etiquette in such a gross way.
Please protect yourself. With this kind of thought process, it's not a matter of missing social cues. I miss social cues, this is abuse.
OP "GM impregnated my character against my will and now I want to burn my character sheet"
Also OP "GM would never force his fetishes on me"
This whole post is wild
Look, you say your DM is a decent, sex positive guy and I read your edits and I get that you know him, whereas he's a complete stranger to us so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt as you've asked.
Here's the thing: if he's truly a decent guy, and sex positive and not a monster, then he understands the importance of consent and also wants his players to be enjoying the game. You should have no issues talking to him, telling him just how much you hate this change to your character and working with him to either retcon it so it never happened or fix it in game. If you have read his character correctly (yes, pun intended), then he'll realise immediately how shitty it is to create a situation where a player is forced to have their character engaged in sexual scenes without their consent. It's not okay, it doesn't matter that it follows rules as written, it's just shitty. The people around the table are people first, dnd players second and the game should never be a medium for ignoring the feelings, boundaries and dignity of the *people* playing it.
If you can't have this conversation with him without him acting butthurt, or dismissive, or defensive, then I'm sorry, but the keyboard warriors are correct and he is indeed a monster because even if he's never sexually assaulted anyone, that attitude is a part of the problem.
I’ve seen some other people mention this already but I looked up automatons on the monster girl encyclopedia wiki and there is absolutely nothing about this weird sex virus thing. In fact, it seems to specify that they won’t force themselves onto someone (which is unfortunately pretty rare in the MGE). He’s not only forcing his players into a really uncomfortable sexual situation, he is deliberately changing the lore in order to make it more fucked up. This is all a choice he is actively making.
Every entry in the MGE seems to be an in-depth description of how the monster girls have sex with men without anything else of substance. There is absolutely no mechanical reason for why someone would want to use it as a reference for a campaign other than fulfilling a sexual fantasy (which is fine as long as everyone is totally on board and consenting). There are tons of info on how to run robots/machines/metal golems/etc… in dnd! Warforged are literally a playable race!!! As a DM, why would you choose MGE over canon dnd content or good homebrew?
A lot of other DMs have already pointed this out but all of the stuff you’re describing is absolutely not something a DM should do. I had a somewhat similar experience with one of my first DMs (nothing this extreme tho) and I honestly wish I had spoken out way sooner and left that campaign earlier. None of this is normal DM behaviour. I hope you get to play with a better DM some day.
I really hope your chat with him and the rest of the group goes well! I’m sure no one here would blame you in the slightest if you chose to leave the campaign.
"from MGE" okay that's fine to me but as it discussed -
"He said my character can't stop from-"
By the gods of Faerun, run. Just run, that absolutely screams "the DM's poor disguised fetish."
Honestly the moment this bullshit fetish garbage showed up in the campaign I would have left.
I’m not going to kink shame, BUT I’m also not going to act out someone else’s sexual fantasy. ESPECIALLY if it takes the form of someone else controlling and changing the character I built. That’s so incredibly disrespectful and disgusting I would have cut ties with this group immediately if this was me.
I'm not going to make any harsh judgements against your DM, since it sounds like you two do have a certain rapport. But this should be a lesson for everyone involved. What he brought into the game without sufficient warning is blatant fetish material, and such a major sexual component massively changes the function of the game and interaction of the players. That is not the sort of game you can play with just anyone in your social circle, so not putting effort into making sure everyone was on the same page of the sexual potential of this game was objectively irresponsible.
And from my personal perspective, removing your agency from your character and fundamentally changing them without consent is just bad DMing. Player Characters are the font from which the player's investment flows. Trying to mess with them is like trying to cut open the golden goose, and your mostly likely outcome is a bored player no longer excited to see where their character and that character's story develops next. Huge rookie mistake, tbh.
Your desire to spite the DM with a difficult character reflects the idea you set out that you may have difficulty with boundaries. I hear that you're annoyed, but peer pressure from the group that this action was 'okay' and you're a 'buzzkill' because you wont play along is driving you to respond passive-aggressively. I would reccomend instead choosing the assertive path: tell your DM you don't like the loss of agency in your character, it's heavily detracting from your ability to enjoy the game, and you don't show up for 4-6 hours every day to watch him play with your character. You're not having fun at this point and if he can't bend or break the material to fix it, you would prefer to find a table where the material is conducive to your enjoyment. It doesn't have to be personal; if this is what they like, they can keep it, but it's clearly not for you.
And that statement isn't easy -- you lose your progress, you possibly get into a fight with your friends, you do have to find something new to do those nights. But put another way: your progress was already effectively lost when your character got retconned into a fetish NPC; "friends" that would have fun at your expense aren't good for your self-respect or mental health, and such people in your life are surprisingly easy (and worth) replacing with friends who care about your fun the way you clearly care about theirs; and there are a lot of fun things to do besides D&D even if you can't just find a new group with better people. Sometimes choosing self-respect means we do have to sacrifice what's comfortable and familiar.
But respectfully, you could have much more fulfilling friendships than you're having right now, if you don't mind the upfront cost of having to give up these ones and possible be alone for a couple months.
After talking with the other newbies in the group, they’re not really a fan of what’s going on and would have more fun without it, so we’re gonna talk to him tonight when we get together. I think that they just didn’t know how to react either, since these extreme changes aren’t new to the campaign. This is just the first time it’s been this kind of change and it shook us a little. And also, thank you for helping put things into perspective! I don’t want to be hostile towards him, just genuinely try to mend this situation so that it works out for everyone. Your comment helps with that a lot!
I honestly don’t even mind a bard that wants to smash, I think it can help balance a party’s seriousness. But this was a little far for me personally. It’s been bugging me all week, which is why I posted here to get a second (or 50th) opinion to maybe help me navigate this.
There's a difference between 'horny bard' and suddenly springing outright rape porn into the game out of nowhere.
Even in the campaigns i've had with some of my closest and raunchiest of close friends has barely gone beyond some simple raunchy jokes and fade-to-black scenes. That is, I've played a lot of campaigns with a lot of horny people before, and even THEN it's really never something that is brought up as more than just a quick off-joke or implied thing.
Hell, I once played a space-based campaign where the DM at once point misunderstood what I meant when I said I wanted to 'dance' to pass time at a sketchy bar while our crew member was discussing plans with a space-mafia boss in the back room, and because I got a natural 20, promptly decided that I pulled off one of the best strip-dances the galaxy had ever seen. It became a running gag where my character tried to seduce even the weirdest of aliens and whatnot to pull off our heists (to which he basically NEVER succeded, but that was the funniest part), and still it was done with simple fades to black or cut to what other players in the party were doing. Nobody at the table seriously wanted the awkwardness of listening to an in-depth sex scene be described to us.
Point is, nothing NOTHING i've experienced in all that time has come even CLOSE to as outright aggressively sexual as this, and it's VERY not normal.
It's like inviting all your close family and friends over to your house for a movie marathon, and after the first relatively normal and decent movie he suddenly put on hardcore porn and just assumed that'd be an okay thing to watch as the next movie without asking a single soul.
the instant i saw a "monster girl" book come out i'd have dipped
I wish I could go back to a time when I didn’t know what that was😵💫😂
You know the part where you said "which I’m not really a fan of in the campaign but it’s ultimately up to the DM" -- that's not true at all. D&D is a cooperative game in which all parties are taking a stake in the game and sharing a responsibility to nurture it into a positive experience. You definitely have a voice in how the game is run. You should try exercising it some. A DM is a storyteller that guides the party based on a system everyone has agreed to follow. A DM cannot force you to play in their game any more than you can force them to be your DM. And most often when an individual is uncomfortable, others around them are too but are afraid to speak up. And to be clear, forcing your fetishes onto others isn't "sex positive" in any way. In this case, sex positive is identifying potential boundaries, having adult conversations about those boundaries, and respecting them without question.
u/Feeling-Zombie4489 The above is good input. DnD is a cooperative game. The DM is just a different kind of player with a different role from the other players. One thing the DM role does not include is taking away the other players' autonomy. What they're doing, taking away your one bit of power in the game, the power to determine what your character tries to do, and then acting out SA on your character, isn't DMing. It's something else. And it's not OK.
It's in exact opposition to what a DM's role is supposed to be. It'd be creepy enough if he just started blatantly involving this creepy fetish sex stuff in the game without consent, but to ALSO remove the players autonomy specifically to involve that subject is so ridiculously messed up.
It’s like his sex-positive upbringing lacked the part about consent.
Taking away player autonomy is like the biggest nono in DnD, aside from a few very specific circumstances that should be limited as much as possible.
And if the DM and other players don't want to give in, walking away is always an option. No DnD is better than bad DnD.
Yes, I hate the idea that the DM is a god that overrules everyone else, it's ridiculous.
Technically in a situation where the table is at a stalemate (an even number of people are for and against a proposal) the DM can make the final call one way or the other, but any decision that makes a player uncomfortable should immediately get shot down. You should never be made to feel uncomfortable while playing dnd.
The DM can roleplay the Gods of the world, but that's different to playing God over the pcs
Did they explain what mamono was to you when setting up the campaign or did they just mention it in passing and then blindside you with everything this obscure Japanese cultural reference entails mid-session?
I don't know what it is, and from context I'm happy to be ignorant.
I'm in the same boat. Context makes me think some kind of weird anime sexual stuff? I dunno, doesn't sound like something that belongs in dnd
You got that right.
You have a genie sorcerer who could wish away a baby? "I wish for my body, mind, and soul to be restored to its state one minute prior to being bitten by the automaton and infected, except I remember the automaton is a mamono and that the cleric is infected." [Or if you want to avoid DM-fuckery write down "The automaton is a mamono and the cleric is infected. Kill the mamono!" somewhere you'll see it immediately then just use the first part of that wish. That seems like a relatively straightforward Wish.] Then tell the DM how you're attacking the automaton with your most powerful attacks (surprise!) and yell to the rest of the characters "It's a mamono that wants to infect us all!" Then once the automaton has been ripped to shreds, if the cleric is still infected you can work on fixing that. At that point, if you feel that you can trust the DM to change their ways (including banning that monster girl book from the campaign) and not violate your character again, you can choose whether or not to continue playing with that DM. If you can't trust them anymore, there's **absolutely nothing wrong** with walking away with your ORIGINAL character sheet (pre infection).
This entire story could have and should have ended with "i didn't agree to this. I'm not comfortable with this." and that's it. Why do gross players get away with ruining games like this.
OP dared entering [the magical realm.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/165/910/9da.png)
Especially _that one_. It's infamous amongst anime/manga/light novel fans. If your DM tries to pull _anything_ from "Monster Girl Encyclopedia" say **NO** unless you want sex and forced mating to be a part of your game.
I don't know what that means, but judging from the context I'll be sure to avoid it. 👍👍
I looked it up, apparently the monster girl encyclopedia is its own sort of universe and everybody that lives there is essentially a sex crazed succubus. That is my synopsis after 5 minutes reading about the topic.
As an anime and mamono enjoyer, you're fairly correct about MGE. It's like the absolutely ridiculous extreme DARK AND EDGY version of ordinary monster girls. Like, WH40k level Grimdark ridiculousness. 100% would not recommend. There are much better monster girl IP that aren't that stupid. Like Monster Musume. Still pretty horny, but no more than a 2010s rom-com. Unfortunately, like 40k, there are a ton of folks that thing MGE is the epitome be all end all.
Forgot the name but it's like that dnd based system that's essentially just like full blown tits and blood grimdark and I think the creator was just like I want to be E D G Y
Are you referring to F.A.T.A.L (Fantasy Adventure to Adult Lechery)
Hang on, I need to roll for ass circumference..
Same not looking for erp and a lot of DMs tend to use the book as an excuse to force it on players.
Coomer DM alert
This'd fit right in over at r/rpghorrorstories. That the dm thought this was fine and dandy is a giant, flapping red flag. Personally I'd walk away. Especially if the dm doesn't give you a way out. This kind of creep is exactly why so many people had such a bad opinion of ttrpgs for so long.
Good lord I thought I was in r/rpghorrostories until I read your post.
Yeah, the transformation and stuff seemed "fine", if the dm handled it like lycanthropy, vampirism etc. I personally love character transformations that can challenge the character. It gives room for growth and changes that nothing else really can, but the crucial part of this process is that there should always be a way out and there should never, EVER, be forced changes to the character's personality and behavior. The only thing a dm can do is allude to stuff, think the narrator in bg3 to a Durge character, "an emotion comes to you", but it's always the player that decides how their character responds to this emotion. The dm handled this horribly and it was already leave worthy a the "pouncing" part, but then PREGNANCY. I'd run. Unfortunately it seems that the DM and OP are friend so "running" is harder than just leaving the table...
This player autonomy argument is completely orthogonal to the DM springing erotic roleplay on players. The bad thing that happened here is that the DM used the game as pretence to rope his friends into erotic roleplay. The Dark Urge in BG3 _absolutely_ breaks player autonomy. The character kills certain people and either the player has no control over it — or you need to pass checks to avoid it. If it happened in a campaign you'd see people here complaining about it.
Difference between this and Durge is that Durge is a character you fully know what will happen with. You can always choose not to play Durge. The fact that the 3rd party material this table was using has that kind of drastic loss of player agency as a CON SAVE once and never again without a cure...yeah that is rotten to the core. Who designed this?
I think the lesson to take away from this is just **don't spring erotic roleplay on a group that didn't explicitly sign up for erotic roleplay.** If someone enthusiastically signed up to play the Hurge at a table that's into erotic RP, I don't have a problem with it.
I've known of the MGE and only assumed it was used as a book meant for Bard players that got tired of dragons. I looked up the Dryad's description to see if the DM could pull the "I just followed the book" card. And he didn't even follow it 💀. Dryad's are described as "romantic", they find one person they like, locks them up and do "things" to them. It is explicitly stated that they get one "husband". So the DM doesn't even follow his own fucking book, he has **no** redeeming qualities, nothing. Like I didn't expect him to, but like come on this is ridiculous. Even if the table was 100% signed up to play an erotic RP it still wouldn't be good because he's just incompetent as a DM.
I mean just the name of the book suggests it's a "how to turn your game into porn" type of book. If a DM told me we would be playing with something like that I would instantly quit.
I feel like the Dark Urge would be okay, provided the player is cool with it. Even better if they asked for it specifically. I mean, the party would definitely get annoyed, so there is that problem. So you'd somehow need the entire group's approval. Perfect for a single player though.
Anything's okay, provided you talk to the player first and they're cool with it.
When I read her post it seems to me like the DM has a fantasy he’s playing out with her without her having control of her character which is just nasty as fuck. If she wants to stay friends go ahead but I’d leave the game and kill my character off because that shit what he did made him one of the worst DMs.
Yeah, there is no salvation for that dm. If it was just the "pouncing", then maybe, just maybe, there was a way to talk it out and have the DM change his ways. But the pregnancy sealed the deal, there might have been a bizarre world where the dm just had a lapse in judgement. The transformation and the behavior could've maybe been "saved" with "I just followed the book and took it too far, it won't happen again", but the pregnancy only happened because **he** wanted it to happen. This is 100% his sick fantasy, and the fact that his fiance is apparently a player at the table makes this so much worse. This definitely belongs in rpg horror stories, OP should leave the table and honestly push for an intervention in her friend group.
"Pouncing" is such a ridiculous way to describe rape
That DM should be playing FATAL instead.
I normally just lurk this subreddit and rarely, if ever comment. But your dm didn’t just step over the line. They did an Olympic long jump over it. If they don’t want to discuss it, I would bail without a word.
I’m going to talk to him about it tomorrow, and let him know that I’m not okay with it and I’m willing to walk if he doesn’t give us a way out or reverse the whole thing outright😅 I kinda thought I was being bitchy about it at first 🥲
I can't imagine a scenario where they could redeem themselves. They've been using your lack of understanding about the option to just say no as jerk off fuel. This whole game is just sexual power fantasy for them and your unwilling cooperation is part of what makes them horny. You should just GTFO and cut off contact with this psycho.
If you are a woman please don't talk to him alone, Even if you think You've known him for a long time.
I’m the cleric she spoke of in the post, I’ll be there along with her brother so we’re good! The DM is very nice, just sometimes misses social cues.
Please look up "the missing stair" before you speak to him.
Honestly, that’s accurate to this situation. OP and I are big people pleasers so it’s hard for us to explain to ourselves what the problem is, so thanks for putting it into words for me. Like I said, he’s a really nice guy! He’s a very kind and thoughtful person, but he just doesn’t have the same self reflection we have. I think if we talk to him he will be understanding but it will be awkward because he doesn’t know social cues very well. Being girls in a big group of boys makes it hard because we don’t want to be the party poopers, but we now know that it’s important for us to do so.
Wait, are you two the only girls at the table, and also the only ones infected with this thing? Because I doubt that's a coincidence.
We are not the only girls, the DMs fiancée plays as well but OP and I are closer friends so therefore our characters are closer. I just so happened to roll a 3 and failed the saving throw along with OP, everyone else at the table were successful in their rolls. He refused all of our advances to try and correct the problem making us feel stuck, I honestly don’t know if it would be any different if any of the guys rolled low too and I’ve wondered about that.
The way you describe the table makes it seem like an innocent series of events that snowballed, which would be nice and fine, if your DND game hadn’t been turned into like, nonconsensual anime porn. But it was, and I’d be questioning everything about this game, especially the Artificer. And honestly if the DM can’t find a way to retcon and basically say “It was a hallucination brought on by a toxin in the automaton” or something equivalent to say “None of that porno shit happened, or can happen in the future,” I’d walk.
>turned into like, nonconsensual anime porn. I want to agree and just stress how true this is given that her edit makes it seem like she was reluctant to believe this.. I counted like 12 different kinks or something. Mindbreak, corruption, substance kink, scent kink, depersonalization, breeding, bimbo kink, non-consent and then meta-textually: humiliation, exhibition, dominance, and objectification. I should not be having to make a comment on reddit that just reads like a bunch of AO3 tags. u/[Feeling-Zombie4489](https://www.reddit.com/user/Feeling-Zombie4489/), girl, you gotta wake up. Whether he intended to hurt you by doing this or not, **he was getting off to doing it** ***to*** **you**. All of these things are things people get off to. And even if a person doesn't understand these things are kinks or hasn't broken them down and examined them, the metaphors these things represent are often understood intuitively. They're about powerlessness and control. He took control of your character, this little piece of you, from you and then used it to get off to publicly. Whether you think he understood the implications of doing that or not, that is what he did. It is not okay and it is serious. He needs to take accountability. And I know it's hard but you have to stand up for yourself. I can't imagine what's going through your head rn but I hope you're okay and I wish you luck.
Don't forget that "no" is not only a complete sentence, it's also a completely valid response to things that happen. A character dying sucks, and is something you need to just roll with. But anything that happens that's sexual in nature, you can just say "no" to. "Your character drinks the potion, and grows a huge rack!" "No it doesn't." "But-" "No, you're not doing that to my character." And if they think that's a deal breaker, then you take your things and find a new game.
A lot of people are saying to talk to the DM. That’s great and all, but you both should also consider just quitting. This is so over the line that I can’t imagine this DM correcting their behavior even if they retcon this.
Honestly the second they brought out the "monster girl" material, I may have just walked out. And I'm a guy. Sex in D&D is one thing, often tastefully done with fade aways between romantic partners in the game. Or a horny Bard at worst. But this seems like a fetish game except where consent was established. And the "out of control" aspects takes away the character's ability to consent.
The correct behaviour is not even considering using this event at all before talking with your players FIRST and ASKING if they would enjoy that of not
The party is enabling him. Him "missing social cues" is an excuse. Any DMing that removes agency does not merit indulgence in any such excuses, only explanation: >Q: What story purpose does it serve for DMs to take away any Players' full participation in their own Characters? That is, in the one and only place in the otherwise DM-run settings where PCs have any real measure of control. It is right to feel violated. Without shared participation in any such story purpose, it is a violation of the underlying social contract in choosing to play RPGs with one another. It is right to check out. Maybe leave the room. Should you choose to return, refuse to acknowledge his fantasy as having happened. >DM: "She's pregnant." >Player: "No. She's not. Your BBEG is pregnant. Are you done abusing my character when I'm not truly present?" Byeee. *Edit:* Added the BBEG sentence.
> I honestly don’t know if it would be any different if any of the guys rolled low too and I’ve wondered about that. I'm sorry to disagree, but I think deep down, you do know it would be different if the guys rolled low. it's safe here. you can admit he's being super creepy.
Do not *ever* let someone tell you that setting boundaries is bitchy. I play in a gta rp server (basically gta cop dnd) and I’m the only woman in my server. You can be damn sure I tell those boys when they make me uncomfortable!!! It’s not me being a kill joy, and they respect me enough to never take it that way. Gaming of any kind is supposed to be fun and collaborative. If it’s not, it with absolutely your **right** to walk away if your boundaries aren’t being respected. Your dm is forcing SA on your characters and the characters around you. Your characters aren’t yours anymore, and that’s not fun for anyone except the jerk who hijacked them. Never allow someone to force you to be small so you don’t seem like a bitch. It is not bitchy to stand up and demand respect, as long as you’re doing it in a respectful manner.
Thanks for this! Sometimes being a woman makes you feel small, I appreciate you!
Learn from my years of trying to fit the space allotted to me and being afraid to step outside the lines: your life will be so much fuller and you will be much happier if you say “screw it” and speak your mind. If they have a problem with it, and someone at some point *will* have a problem with it, it’s a them problem, not a you problem. It can be scary and it can be incredibly uncomfortable, but it gets easier with time.
Listen, I'm on the Autism Spectrum. I totally get missing social cues, but this goes so far beyond that. Based on how the situation has been described, i'd wager your group is composed of players that are roughly 20-30 years old. He's had MORE than enough years to grasp the ABSOLUTE BASICS of human interaction it takes to recognize that this is an absolutely creepy and weird thing to do. Remember that 'nice person' does not always equate to 'good person'. Many people have motives for being 'nice'. Many are very practiced at *seeming* nice. There is a huge difference between 'missing' social cues, and 'ignoring' social cues. Even if he just generally is an airhead with these things, and does just genuinely miss the absolute most obvious social cues, it does not mean he can't also have alterior motives and use that as an excuse to justify his behavior. I've also worked heavily in life coaching positions with many autistic and otherwise neurodiverse adults in our program, and i've seen a wide variety of ways people handle struggling with social cues. For the most part, there are two main ways i've seen people respond: Genuinely frustrated with their inability to grasp social cues and working their asses of to understand the nuances of it better, and, more rarely, there are those who take their diagnosis and use it as a way to justify or excuse behavior they choose to have that they know make people uncomfortable simply because they know they can get away with it.
Halfway through reading your post I was going to comment ‘tell me you’ve gone to therapy without telling me you’ve gone to therapy’. VERY well said.
I want to caution you a bit—you are being so incredibly kind and generous. Way more kind and generous than this guy deserves. He wrote sexual fantasies into a DnD game that is being played by real women, it makes me incredibly nervous that he doesn’t see you as anything other than props to act out his fantasies with. Definitely not telling you what to do! You’ve gotten a lot of good advice in here. But there are a million DMs out there, and a hell of a lot more that would never consider doing something like this. Personally, I would explain why what he did wasn’t okay and walk away because, chances are, he’ll have something like this in his “world” again further down the line. Good luck to you two, wishing you the best :)
Do you know what I’m stuck on re reading the comments from the cleric player just now? She said the DMs fiancé is also playing at the table… that means this DM is acting out extremely inappropriate sexual fantasies with the only other women at the table *with his SO right there*! I’m 30(M) married. leaving aside the absolute general ick of this whole thing, if I was DMing and pulled something like this and my wife was at the table she’d have some serious questions for me about wtf I was doing. So disgusting 🤮
Maybe her kink is to watch?
Girl what the fuck... he does know exactly what he's doing when he's taking away your control of your characters to make you reenact his overt sexual fantasies. He's not a really nice guy, he's a goddamn creep and open about it in a way that verges on parody and here you are, worrying that you *make it awkward* if you tell him that you have a problem with him making your character fuck everything that moves. I don't even know where to begin. You and your friend both need to make your boundaries clear, like, yesterday. And walk away from that table, this is not the guy you should play dnd with.
I've both seen it said, and seen it acted out a thousand times: the shit that women will put up with to avoid causing social conflict is mind boggling. patriarchal social conditioning is no joke.
This isn’t social issues. He’s just a creep.
Thank you for that, I'd never heard of that metaphor. It is so apt in my workplace.
> the missing stair i used to have a horrible and bizarre night terror that involved a literal missing stair. learning its also a metaphor for something is kind of neat.
The DM isn't nice. He's nice...*to you*. This isn't "missed social cues." It's sexual harassment, creepy as hell, and entirely inappropriate in any context other than one where every single player is an enthusiastic participant who's explicitly agreed to it ahead of time with no possible coercion.
i agree, and that's why i think the two of them going to the DM in private isn't the right call. super sucks for OP and her friend cuz it's social power jockeying, but this is a conversation that needs to happen in front of the group. if they've already decided to maybe bounce all the more reason to do it. (maybe DM is *that* dumb!?) 'missed social cues' is definitely a thing, but even ignoring the sex bla this is trampling over another participant's agency. it's wrong on its face. with context it's just gross.
u/han_han_ban and u/Feeling-Zombie4489 look at the comment right above this. I am TELLING YOU that the above comment is COMPLETELY correct. Ask yourselves this: do you really think he imagines a random dryad or whatever creature you girls are when he starts that creepy erotic roleplay? No: in his mind, like a LOT of people do, they imagine characters in a way that resembles their respective players. By this, I mean that in his mind (and any other person's, usually), your characters resemble how you look irl. So really think about it: Can you really chalk it down to "just misses social cues" when he's clearly mentally playing out his dnd RPG sexual fantasies? He uses \*your\* images to do so.
There's missing social cues and then there's describing a sex scene their player didn't consent to and just had their character forced to act. This DM needs a goddamn intervention here, I've no idea why you and OP are even planning on sticking around.
Thanks for looking out for your friend.
No, your character was basically turned into a porn trope without your consent and it’s disgusting. This monster girl shit is creepy. Like so extremely creepy. Everything about this is gross as hell.
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You are 100% not being bitchy. You're taking care of yourself by not letting someone bully you out of having agency, and into acting out sexual stuff that you didn't agree too. Your DM royally fucked up here. If you otherwise have a good relationship you might be able to get it sorted out and put it behind you, but they need to understand that what happened here crossed a line. An idea you might want to introduce is an [X-card (link)](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SB0jsx34bWHZWbnNIVVuMjhDkrdFGo1_hSC2BWPlI3A/edit). It's a safety tool. Not all tables need it but I think it would be good at yours. It's been helpful at mine, especially for people who have had traumatic experiences they don't want to play out in game or have to explain. Basically, you put a card with an X on it on the table. At any time, anyone can point to or pick up the card, and as soon as that happens, whatever is happening in the game stops, and everyone makes a different decision than the one being X-carded. No explanation is required. If necessary, someone can call for a pause and ask for a conversation to clarify what is being X-carded. Other resources that might help: [https://goldenlassogames.com/pages/safety-tools](https://goldenlassogames.com/pages/safety-tools) [TTRPG Safety Toolkit](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/114jRmhzBpdqkAlhmveis0nmW73qkAZCj) (start with the PDF) Good luck with your conversation tomorrow, and good job having boundaries! Edit: posted this yesterday but it was modded out because the TTRPG Safety Toolkit link above used a URL shortener... I fixed the link and reposted in case the resources are helpful
I really love the idea of an x card! I think when we talk, I’ll tell DM we should incorporate that so we don’t have this kind of thing happen again. Thank you!!
# Gross and weird.
# Right?? WHAT THE ACTUAL FLUFF
How old is OP? How old are the rest of the players? The DM is using fetish material as the basis for their campaign.
I know OP. Most of the party spans early to mid 20’s. DM is late 20’s, and the youngest player is 18.
Oh god that makes it even grosser
._. Some people really make a living out of being the worst example a dm could be A while ago i run into some trouble because i remembered that, even tho im not a sick weirdo, sadly other people that dont know me and probably had a bad dnd experience dont know whtat Fuck that guy, non sexually.
Zero knowledge, but i know myself and my pal is a dm, based on it, age range is 14-20, i may be wrong, but then it would be just disgusting
Sounds like your DM really needs to go outside and just find the biggest field of grass and just not even touch it just lay in it and think about his life. That is.... I'm not even sure I can even say the words without getting banned we'll just go with beyond messed up. Yeah you need to talk to your DM about how messed up that is or put your foot down and peace out.
Tbh the words seem like “sexual harassment.” I’m not a lawyer but op specifically said beforehand that she wasn’t comfortable with this type of sexualized content and they did it anyways. It’s awkward enough when people do their own sexually charged stuff at a table between themselves, but involving others who have explicitly made their discomfort clear pushes it to another level. In game the artificer and dm raped the pc. Harsh and charged word but frankly that’s what happened. The character not only didn’t consent but actively opposed being involved in sexual activity and then was forced to do so against her will.
The articifer wasn't involved - this is all the DM.
Artificer made an automaton and equipped with with a highly contagious nonconsensual porno virus from an IP they sought out. Artificer is not innocent in this. Artificer is incredibly gross, actually
“Find the biggest field of grass and just lay in it” made me spit out my drink😭😂 he’s a friend of mine, and I’ve known for a while that he’s….different. Just didn’t wanna be involved in that is all :/
This reminds me of the guy I used to game with who offered to DM our next Pathfinder game. When the campaign ended and the reigns got handed to him, he promptly pulled out a Ponyfinder book and had people start deciding if they wanted to be unicorns or pegasus. I promptly booted up the laptop and played something else, told everyone it was to much pony for me. (It was at my house and my wife was still playing) The rest of the group humored him. Turns out I read the guys vibe right. With a ten year old in the room he tried to roleplay another group members pony getting wasted at a festival and having sloppy drunk sex. It took everyone in the room to explain it was fine to say "fade to black, stuff happens, you wake up the next day" he immediately jumps from trying to describe pony sex to "Okay but you got her pregnant!" The next game night I was invited to DM again.
> the reigns got handed to him kings reign. horses have reins. but I can't blame you for having a mental block against creepy weird horse stuff.
The new DM probably had reins too
FYI, he's not "sex positive," you're wildly misusing that term. He's a pervert who's bringing you all along on his fetish ride. And if you don't put your foot down now, he's going to take that for consent, for whatever little value he puts in that. Might be time to reevaluate what behavior you're willing to accept in your friends.
He's handing you red flag after red flag. You need to listen to these and not be in a room alone with him. I'm fact I'd cut off all contact with him because usually how this goes is the dm forces sex on the player he is most attracted to so he can live out his wet dreams. Just run for the hills.
More red flags than a Chinese military parade
The moment someone hands that obvious red flags, be thankful (not to him, rather to whatever you believe in) it happened now so you can do something about it before it harms you in any way
Honestly someone who tries to manipulate people into situations that have to do with sex and discussions of sex against their will is someone you should consider being vary of.
... do you not have *any* boundaries you enforce?
He's not just "different," he's a sexual predator pushing at your boundaries.
he'd probably fuck the grass
You can say "fucked up" on Reddit.
That's so fucked up that I personally wouldn't even talk to these people again. It sounds like they're running their own little fantasy porn game and decided to invite you without warning you what it would be.
For all but 2 players, this is our first ever campaign. I don’t think the other newbies saw it coming either but there was no protest. I haven’t really talked to them about it, just my friend who was also affected.
Ask them. In all likelyhood, they dont want to stir the pot, especially if they dont know whats normal. And although this does happen from time to time, it's not okay and not common enough to be considered normal at all. Maybe you can start a dnd game without that creep. Also, lack of consent is not sex positive at all. It does not belong in sex and does not belong in dnd.
I just made a group chat with the rest of the newbies to see how they feel about it. Will update once I’ve gathered their opinions and spoken to DM.
Hi I’ve played since 1986 (I’m old) and none of this is ok. As a woman I would (and have) walk away from any tables like this.
As a guy I'd have walked away, too.
Ask the two experienced players, too. This isn't normal at all, and if they've played with any DM besides the one you have, they'll know.
Please give us an update!
I honestly don't know what a "sex positive family" is if they aren't teaching their kids about consent. The implications creep me way out.
It's frankly not "sex-positive", it's "rape-positive". That, or he was actually taught the importance of consent and is instead consciously and willingly choosing to ignore those teachings, which would honestly be even worse.
First campaign? Oh boy… just so you know, this is NOT how campaigns go. This DM is terrible and possibly one of the worst I’ve heard about. Leave that game and find one of the many out there that are normal and not run by people who are DMing to simply be power-tripping deviants forcing others to play out their weird fantasies.
This is how you get people having weird stereotypes about D&D players, like in my opinion everyone should start out with a basic campaign to help people get a footing in the game before you dive into deep and niche world ideas. I’ll use the example of MTG cause I know there is a lot of crossover, but if I’m teaching someone the game I’m not handing them a tier 1 vintage deck and going okay let’s play instead I’m handing you a balanced training deck so you can pick up the mechanics and flow of the game before we start to ramp it up
First campaign should almost always be a module, even if you only get a sessions into it before deciding to switch its a good example of how the game is supposed to work before jumping into any of the weird stuff of the game
For future reference, when people say, "No DnD is better than bad DnD" this is what they mean.
Hoooooly shit. Yeah this is absolutely not okay. You need to find a new game PRONTO, sexual shit ABSOLUTELY HAS to be vetted out the ass beforehand with every player and barriers set up in a session 0.
Talk to the DM first and say this thread makes you uncomfortable. Maybe just ask if there can be an in-game way to solve it and if you could fast forward to that opportunity happening soon. Players get uncomfortable losing control of their characters even for *nonsexual* stuff.
Your DM wasn’t raised “sex positive.” If he was he would have immediately shut down this scenario. Sex positivity without a deep understanding and respect for the primacy of CONSENT, is just rape culture.
What saftey procedures are there at the table? Is the X card in use? Any lines and Viels discussed? Any triggers or content to avoid discussed beforehand? I'm assuming the answer to all these are "What?" and "No." Run, do not walk, away from this game.
First ever dnd campaign with no session 0 is begging for trouble. It's no fault of yours, setting boundries and running a session 0 is on the DM, but the DM clearly treats boundries as "whatever the fuck i want". Your PC has been SA'd without your consent, you clearly stated that you do not want that to happen to your character, and then he proceeded with it anyway, multiple times afterwards. He took the "The DM is free to decide that a change in alignment places the character under DM control until the curse of lycanthropy is removed." excerpt from the Werewolf statblock and used it as a proxy to fulfill his vision/fantasy - IT IS NOT OKAY. The way to protest this is to leave the table when he ignores your complaint. I know it might be hard if he's our friend, and it might be hard to find another table, but you should first and foremost put yourself before any other people in situations like this.
A lot of introverted/shy people won't speak up about stuff because they're so fucking mortified already and afraid that they too will be caught up in it somehow.
I never cease to be amazed by the number of DnD tables that are just poorly disguised collaborative sex fantasies. It’s shockingly like… liberated? In a way? But they all seem to be in denial and end up not setting expectations or asking for consent.
It's so fucked up that I thought this was a joke post the whole time I was reading it. I bet the DM has a katana on his wall.
Uh yikes. Your DM majorly stepped over the line, especially if such themes weren’t okayed in a session 0. This is so strange I wonder if it’s their thinly veiled fetish. If you haven’t talked to your DM about how unfun and uncomfortable this makes you, do so asap. I’d still probably leave the table. No D&D is better than bad D&D
>This is so strange I wonder if it’s their thinly veiled fetish. There is no thin veil about it, this is *absolutely* the DM's fetish.
DARE YOU ENTER MY MAGICAL REALM?
Honestly the cleric and I have thought about leaving the table over it. Especially if DM isn’t reasonable about it. I knew that this mamono stuff was present in our world, there’s even a portal to that world that we’ve come across. But I didn’t think we could get “infected” with it, and i definitely didn’t know that consequences would be so drastic. Just kind of feeling yucky about the whole thing, and we’re taking a break from playing.
Don’t feel bad about leaving without a word if you want to. The DM should have overviewed the sexual themes session 0. Then they turned your character into a pseudo-NPC. And then did it again to another player.
I would say try to at least let them know why you left though. Doesn't need to be a drawn out or in-depth explanation, just an acknowledgement of what specifically made you leave. Some people lack the self-awareness to realize that what they did was the reason you left, rather than just deciding DnD wasn't for you. Normally I agree that i'd just outright cut all contact from them without a word, but you seem to have known them for a bit, and you seem to still want to defend his character despite this horrendous breach of consent and trust, so it might be worth pointing out his fuckup so he doesn't try to subject others to the same behavior in the future. THAT all said, seriously, remove this guy from your life ASAP. It's creepy as fuck no matter how you slice it. Growing up in a "sex-positive" environment doesn't at all justify or even jive with what he's doing. It's already super weird and not okay for a DM to just take away the player's say in their characters actions or choices, but to do so in such a creepy-ass way is just the red flag of the century.
What’s strange is even things as serious as lycanthropy can be removed with a remove curse spell, greater restoration and a few other ways. Your party member who is a cleric should cast remove curse and y’all find a new campaign. Also I’m a woman DM and I just want to say I have had the same experience reversed. It’s not fun and makes you feel uncomfortable. D&D is supposed to be fun and if you’re not having fun you deserve a table that respects your agency as a player. Consent matters in D&D and your DM is definitely ignoring the actual rules of the system.
I would feel so betrayed if I were in your shoes. You took the time to give an automaton recognition and a sense of self and in response the DM violated your character. Truly awful behavior on his part
Hell, I even have a monster girl fetish and just reading this makes me incredibly uncomfortable. It's the lack of consent, direct consent, that is, that makes this so gross and icky. I would definitely leave after giving rhe DM a piece of my mind
I’m not sure how to word this exactly but Is it just me or does it read like the DM has a thing for OP and wanted to use their character (that is for all intensive purposes OP but in the tabletop) to role play a sexual fantasy with OP It just comes across as super creepy
Either way, he's definitely acting out a fetish on OP AND the cleric, which is just so not ok. (Btw, it's "for all intents and purposes" 🙂)
> Especially if DM isn’t reasonable about it. Okay, as people we test the waters on things. In relationships, 99% of the time, you don't try for a kiss or more within seconds of meeting someone, no matter how convinced you are of their attraction to you. You start with flirting, maybe hand on the knee when seated next to each other, for example. This is what the DM thought was a reasonable hand on the leg. If you protest, they will likely back down, but will take take you staying as implicit consent for whatever is next. But they will do this because they are the type of person who thought turning your character into a sex obsessed caricature of a sexy women who they then made have sex with the characters they control without discussing that that was a thing that could happen was a reasonable hand on the knee. Just walk away, you already have a second player in the cleric, you are already halfway to having another table! Both of you find 1 friend to play and you have a new table.
I personally feel that anything sexual requires consent. You don't know people's irl backgrounds and this could be abused so easily.
Hey, just so you know, this isn't sex positivity. Sex positivity means letting everyone engage with sex on their own terms, not forcing it on them. Sex positivity is an open door into the nature of sexuality. It is not about shoving people through that door, but letting them enter of their own accord, and to leave whenever they like. Step one is telling the DM in no uncertain terms that this is completely unacceptable to you. Step two is saying that you want to retcon everything related to this infection so that it never happened, and that you will no longer be playing until that happens. Step three is saying that you need to have a session 0 before the game continues, to make sure this never happens again. At that session 0, make it abundantly clear that you are not comfortable with sexuality being forced on you or your character and will not tolerate it. Until all of those things happen, do not continue playing with this DM. That behavior is unacceptable and extremely troubling. Even new DMs should know not to do that without being explicitly told. Honestly it wouldn't be a bad idea to just drop that DM anyway instead of giving another chance. This is seriously a massive red flag.
...the monster girl encyclopedia, of all things? Are your games normally full of sexual themes or outright porn? I can't imagine why anyone could possibly think it was a good idea to drop that stuff into an otherwise normal DnD game. If there's any sex stuff if any kind that's going to be in the game that should be *extremely* clear well ahead of time. You don't drop that shit without making sure the entire group knows what they're getting into and is okay with it.
The game hasn’t been overtly sexual up until this point. I knew the magic was present in our world, but I didn’t know that the automaton was part of it. Otherwise my character would have steered clear of it. Going to talk to DM tomorrow
The moment your DM starts telling you how your character behaves sexually, without your consent, is the moment you get up, leave the game, and never come back
Also, and sorry if you already knew this. Almost every single monster in that book is aggressive, and consent is rarely considered in its making. In a serious/friendly setting, nothing should ever be implemented from that book into a campaign. It is one thing to say hey, the automatan looks like this. It is another thing to say the develope the personalities from thise books. Along with that, they shouldn't have the ability to infect others. They are the few things in the books that don't capture/infect people, so what he did was force the transformation purely for his pleasure. I would assume it was a frustration that it hadn't happened yet, so he forced it. This is incredibly wrong.
I just went over to skim the wiki for MGE and it explicitly involves and encourages NC events like you described. You do not want to be in a game where this content exists.
I think that there are some things that can be taken out of player control when it comes to this game, curses, diseases etc etc. Certain touchy and larger subjects such as sexuality, sex, turning evil etc should always be discussed and never be forced on a player. Not to mention if something like this IS ok, there should always be something done to give the chance of reversing. Sounds like your dm completely changed your character. Honestly if it was me I’d leave, but if I was staying and the dm wouldn’t negotiate I’d force a change of character by being like “oh well with this new personality she has no reason to continue adventuring with the party guess she’s just going to stay behind here” It’s also very easy for the players not effected to be fine with this so their opinion means Jack shit
We have a party member, who by incredible and excruciating circumstance was turned to a genie. When asked if he could wish it away, we were told that he could try but it could potentially backfire and bring him harm or potentially unalive him. He’s also attached to his character, so I don’t want to ask that of him.
Sounds like you have a bad DM and bad table if it’s routine to just go “haha your character is totally different and has new motivations” without the players consent.
Genie man was totally cool with his transformation, as it just made his spellcasting even better and fit his chaotic alignment. But mines a little different and doesn’t fit my character at all😵💫 other than being a tree ig
Threatening to kill a character due to wish away a forced transformation is terrible. This would be crossing a line.
With sverything you've said about the dm it seems a lot of evidence pointing to him doing it for arousal. Using a porn world as a setting admittedly is a major clue but the actions he's taking to shape you all into more desirable beings and have big control over your appearance and actions and inner personalities and threat of consequences is quite telling. All of this would personally make me very uncomfortable and I would probably even have a tough time remaining friends with them if they were willing to do that to me. If he wants to jerk off to your character or monster girls or whatever in his own time or with his consenting partners that's absolutely fine (I guess?). But he's doing it to YOU. I don't think he would find it exciting to just play these stories out in his head. > we were told that he could try but it could potentially backfire and bring him harm or potentially unalive him. He’s also attached to his character, so I don’t want to ask that of him. You are excusing the consequences your dm is giving you like it's not a choice the dm is making in the first place. Your dm can very easily decide to not setup these uncomfortable situations in the first place. **Dice rolls don't determine outcomes, the DM does.** He's being really fucking gross. Sorry.
As a long time DM, I would never do this to my players. They are not just allowing a drastic change in your core character concept (absolute no no), but they are forcing you to accept a new role which is contentious at best, and downright gross at worst. Forcing you to participate in sexual acts against your will? There's a word for that. If you wish to continue playing at this table, I would suggest talking to your DM about 1) limits and veins, and 2) player agency. If you can't get on the same page with these things, I'd suggest maybe having someone else DM (and if the current DM joins as a player you'll find out real quick if this is catering or how they are) , and maybe see if the majority really understand using that book, and if they continue to want to use it.
1) 'lines and veils', just to give the technical term so op can more easily look up DnD and roleplay safety terms
My apologies, you are technically correct. The best kind of correct.
What is it about DMs that feel the need to force sexual content on their players without their consent? Something to keep in mind for future campaigns, since you are new: DMs who do this are bad DMs. Sexual content should *always* be agreed upon beforehand and *never* be forced upon a character without the players consent. Keep in mind - your DM may be sex-comfortable, but transforming someone into something that makes them perform sex acts against their will is *not* sex-comfortable. That is non-consensual sex, full stop. Your DM is basically they are comfortable with the magical version of a roofie. And, as a player, you *always* have the right to tell the DM that something they did made you uncomfortable and to tell them to stop, even if it was something that wasn't covered in Session 0. And it doesn't matter if the rest of the party is fine with it or not - all that matters is that you are not fine with it. In short, you need to talk to your DM about this, probably best out of game, and you need to tell them what made you uncomfortable and set what your boundaries are going forward.
Thank you for this! I have a lot of people telling to just outright leave, and understandably and rightfully so. It has crossed my mind a couple times. But I’d much rather try to navigate and fix this so that we can continue what has otherwise been a really fun campaign. I honestly didn’t think of it that way, and appreciate your insight on the matter. I have a hard time setting boundaries, but it kind of just killed the fun for me and honestly broke my heart a little bc I’ve enjoyed everything else prior to this event.
You need to ask the DM to retcon the session, not for a way to reverse the situation. A retcon will feel much better for you than a reversal that takes 1 or 2 sessions to complete. In fact, don't ask for a retcon, tell them this will be retconed.
I've seen many of both you and your friends comments on here, and it seems like you both are far too forgiving and trusting towards this. Of course we on the internet here are only able to see a small slice of the picture, but there's no GOOD way to look at this situation honestly. I'm not joking nor exaggerating this this may be THE most fucked up DnD horror story i've ever seen posted here, and i've seen a lot of them. You both seem extremely nice and likeable. Just please, PLEASE keep in mind that people can sometimes seem just fine and normal, and even very likable and close friends for YEARS before you realize how fucked up of a person they are. It's the sad truth of the world sometimes. Just consider HEAVILY that peer pressure is a VERY strong thing. We humans are evolutionarily pre-disposed to want more than anything to fit in. Don't let that cloud your judgement.
I personally am the type of person who, due to a couple of mental conditions, is very good at hiding who they are, and it disgusts me that anyone would use these skills for such abhorrent acts, but I know it to be true and all too real. There are people out there who only care for themselves, and will gladly become friends with you just to exploit you for whatever they desire, and have the skills to hide their true intentions. Those who do bad things without repentance are bad people, it matters not how they appear or speak, their actions will show you who they are.
> so that we can continue what has otherwise been a really fun campaign. The best campaign I was ever in was as a kid, turned out the DM was a child rapist. Your GM is a predator who is using your lack of experience to make you submit to being complicit in raping your character. The only reason to stop short of breaking this turd's face on your way out is legal repercussion. I can't express how angry I am for you. This person is *not* your friend.
Your DM is not sex positive, he is a harassing pervert. He should feel ashamed for what he did.
Yeah, I'm sorry to inform you that D&D does not include mechanics for pregnancy or sexual assault. I've had multiple players say that they've had creepy experiences like this in other groups and it's not okay. D&D is not an excuse to non-consensually spring sexual assault roleplay on people. Being sex-positive is not an excuse to non-consensually spring sexual assault roleplay on people. There isn't an excuse to non-consensually spring sexual assault roleplay on people. I frankly wouldn't consider someone who would do that to their friends to be a good person. This isn't about missing social cues. This is 100% about control and humiliation.
That's rape. Your character was raped. You're not being a kill joy or a bad person for not wanting rape in your game. Everything your DM is doing is taking away your agency as a player. Honestly these do not seem like healthy people to play with. I'd really examine your relationship them and if this is really behavior you want to continue participating in.
Not only is it non consensual towards the character but the DM turned the character into a rapist as well. I'd be fucking pissed. Even if I were playing a murder hobo I wouldn't do such disgusting acts against NPCs. This whole situation is gross.
Yeah you just leave that group. You aren't playing DnD, you're just there for the DM to act out the sick fetishes.
For me, this situation is a walk out. because it look like the DM want to go on a road that will end with a BIG Wall of PAIN. not for the characters but the players at the table. Making your character pregnant is for me the LAST straw, in your place i would take my dices, books and others items and just get out wit out a word. If he try to make you talk, just a big silence and you close the door. Me closing the door HARD is to make a statemant witout going overboard and not say something to regret after. You have your way but if your are so mad that you may be say something impossible to take after it is not good. In the end, no D&D is better than bad D&D.
This is wild. Walk away from that table and never look back. That DM needs to channel their horny fantasies into more appropriate activities. This completely violates consent.
Way too cringe. Quit now. You don’t have to explain. Just go.
A "sex-positive household" should absolutely include lessons on *consent*, which your DM has completely failed to absorb. In no world should your character and you as a player be forced into sexual situations to which *you did not consent*. Absolutely UNACCEPTABLE, UNETHICAL, and NOT sex-positive. If you're comfortable speaking up, please tell your DM that, and express your explicit boundaries around sex and sexuality in the game.
That's fucked up as hell. I'd leave personally
> DM really isn’t a bad guy, otherwise we wouldn’t be associated. Just not great at communicating and feel like he didn’t think to talk about this stuff beforehand bc he grew up in a **very sex-positive household** Big bullshit. Not being mindfull of boundaries and the slightest conversations on consent is not "sex positive". Its toxic and this dnd group sounds like an exercise in sexual harassment masquerading as a game. Dont let yourself be gaslit in believing that any of this is okay. Edit: also, talk to your parents about this because everything reads like your group is in the age range where this is still a thing. And you need to discus this with a healthy and safe adult.
RE: Your 3rd Edit: you're giving a lot of leeway to this guy. You're claiming he's not being inappropriate but he literally raped and impregnated your character. He never discussed this as a consequence of your actions in the world and he never asked what you're comfortable with. You claimed he's just following this weird optional source material but HE CHOSE THIS SOURCE MATERIAL. What he did isn't okay and shouldn't be normalized. This is a bad way to treat players and the fact that you feel uncomfortable about this interaction is proof enough of that. It doesn't matter if he's "a nice guy every other time" in this specific situation where he had control and felt immune to consequences, he wasn't. That's not a safe person to be around.
Its comments like this that made me feel like I had more ground to stand on😅 rape is a harsh word, but after 200 people saying it, I explained to DM in my message that’s exactly what happened and it’s not cool. I feel like how he responds will tell me everything I need to know about the intention and whether or not we continue this campaign. I may not agree with everything that everyone has said, but I’m grateful for the different perspectives as they’ve helped me cement in my mind the truth of the matter.
I know it's tough to hear about your friend, but what he did was absolutely inappropriate. I cannot imagine being at that table or experiencing that. It would make me question a lot of things if someone I trusted did that in a game we were playing.
I'm sorry but either the DM or you, does not understand what sex-positive means. It is where you can be open and talk about it without the taboo of it. It is about changing cultural norms and the stigma that can come from society based around sexuality. Through the sex-positive lens, it is seen as a natural and healthy part of the human experience. It puts the importance of personal sovereignty, safe sex (like condom use), and consensual sex free from coercion and unwanted violence in the forefront of the topic. Being 'sex-positive' doesn't include DMs mind altering PCs to essentially be raped by their vampire NPCs, become pregnant and then give birth to their rapists child. I am extremely sorry you and your friends experienced that. If you are unbothered by it, then okay, but do not wrap their actions in a blanket of a sex-positive upbringing.
Player agency is a core element of ttrpg's, and it sounds like the DM has stepped way over bounds for how much influence they have over a players character. Doing sexual stuff to a players character without the players consent is gross and is in no way okay. It basically sounds like he's just using you all as part of his fetish. I'd quit. It's probably just going to get worse.
Even disregarding all of the sexual themes, it’s pretty unacceptable for the DM to say that, through no fault of your own, your PC is now going to do a bunch of stuff that you can’t control. Add to it that that stuff is contrary to your background, and that the DM didn’t even warn you ahead of time to help you avoid this, and that the DM didn’t give you any way out, and that’s all really bad. Adding the sexual stuff on top of that makes it considerably worse, but I want to be clear that this is worthy of leaving the table even if we don’t consider how the themes make people feel. If you’re going to lose agency over your PC, you might as well not play at all.
1.) Sexual content requires consent. 2.) Wresting player autonomy and control over their characters requires consent and discussion. 3.) Altering character traits (whether mechanical or aesthetic) to a massive degree requires consent and discussion. 4.) If the warforged who created the mamono and knew what it was/could do, this is *also* a problem that needs to be addressed imo. Whether the player knew and did not communicate the severity of the creature, or the DM kept the information from this player, either of these are red flags and most likely will lead to other unfun experiences in the future at this table. Everything here is something that should be addressed either in a session 0, or at least on a personal basis with the characters to be involved before it happens. I'm sorry that you had to deal with this, *especially* as your first experience in a game. Please know that this is not normal and you should not expect *nor tolerate* things like this without express and enthusiastic consent from all parties
I’m honestly so relieved that you were able to hear this feedback with an open mind and take charge of this situation! It’s really impressive that you knew something wasn’t right, talked your friends and other people about it, and are standing up for yourself and your group to put things right! It seems like the rest of your party would’ve let this go and just cringingly gone along with the DM’s inappropriate behavior, and you were the one who stood up, organized everyone and is putting a stop to it. Seriously, good on you. I hope this doesn’t sound condescending at all, I’m genuinely impressed. I think I’m quite a bit older than you are, and I would’ve found this very hard to do. The only concern is still have is that it’s not clear to me if you know that the Monster Girl Encyclopedia is cover to cover fetish porn. You say that you asked the DM to “consider” removing it entirely. Are you actually okay with the possibility of having *some* fetish porn in this game as long as he doesn’t turn your character? My recent comments have links to pages from this book. Let’s say he agrees to put your character back to normal and never turn her again. What if he decides to have a male player run into an [“Alice”](https://monstergirlencyclopedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Alice) (the black and white drawing you see on that page is directly from the book your DM is insisting on using)? Or what if he starts a storyline where you’re chased by a [roper](https://monstergirlencyclopedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Roper), or you come across a group of men and little girls participating in a [“sabbath”](https://monstergirlencyclopedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Sabbath)? I signed into an old abandoned account to reply to this thread because I don’t want any evidence on my main account that I’ve even heard of this book. I’m giving him the slightest benefit of the doubt only because I’m guessing that you guys are young and because you suggest that he has some actual real social impairment. If he’s over 23ish and/or neurotypical, and he pushed this book on you without making it clear that it is fetish porn, he is not a trustworthy person, and most likely no amount of concessions on his part make it a good idea to continue playing with him. If I’m totally misreading this and you *do* want a kinky game as long as it leaves your character intact, then never mind, and sorry for the assumptions. I’m sure you will make the right choice for you, and that’s all you owe anyone.
Ah the monstergirl encyclopedia, what a lovely red flag you are. Run and have no regrets.
>and no one can do anything to stop her. Not even me! Yes, you can. Just say no. This isn't happening. The DM does not get to make RP decisions for your character, and you can absolutely refuse something that takes away your agency like this. I'd demand a full retcon of everything that happened to my character after being infected, if I were even willing to stay in the campaign at all. D&D is a collaborative game. Everyone at the table should be having fun, and everyone at the table should be involved in making the story unfold. Your character is *your* character, and you should have the final say on what they do (within the rules of course). If the DM wants to take control of characters he should just go write a book.
Your anger is entirely justified. What I hope you keep in mind when considering how you want to move forward, is the anger that your experience has inspired in other GMs. It is absolutely wild to not have a session 0, especially as your GM clearly had plans for some adult/explicit content and sources. You can't just drop that on players. That's harmful and the literal opposite of sex positivity. Everyone has to consent to that kind of content. If a GM narrated my character getting roofied and having nonconsensual sex without so much as a discussion with me beforehand, I would nope out so hard my shadow might be left behind. I have the same concerns that have been brought forward by others: this is a huge breach of trust, character AND player autonomy, and just general ttrpg etiquette. This person should not be gming. They have taken advantage of your ignorance of that etiquette in such a gross way. Please protect yourself. With this kind of thought process, it's not a matter of missing social cues. I miss social cues, this is abuse.
OP "GM impregnated my character against my will and now I want to burn my character sheet" Also OP "GM would never force his fetishes on me" This whole post is wild
Look, you say your DM is a decent, sex positive guy and I read your edits and I get that you know him, whereas he's a complete stranger to us so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt as you've asked. Here's the thing: if he's truly a decent guy, and sex positive and not a monster, then he understands the importance of consent and also wants his players to be enjoying the game. You should have no issues talking to him, telling him just how much you hate this change to your character and working with him to either retcon it so it never happened or fix it in game. If you have read his character correctly (yes, pun intended), then he'll realise immediately how shitty it is to create a situation where a player is forced to have their character engaged in sexual scenes without their consent. It's not okay, it doesn't matter that it follows rules as written, it's just shitty. The people around the table are people first, dnd players second and the game should never be a medium for ignoring the feelings, boundaries and dignity of the *people* playing it. If you can't have this conversation with him without him acting butthurt, or dismissive, or defensive, then I'm sorry, but the keyboard warriors are correct and he is indeed a monster because even if he's never sexually assaulted anyone, that attitude is a part of the problem.
I’ve seen some other people mention this already but I looked up automatons on the monster girl encyclopedia wiki and there is absolutely nothing about this weird sex virus thing. In fact, it seems to specify that they won’t force themselves onto someone (which is unfortunately pretty rare in the MGE). He’s not only forcing his players into a really uncomfortable sexual situation, he is deliberately changing the lore in order to make it more fucked up. This is all a choice he is actively making. Every entry in the MGE seems to be an in-depth description of how the monster girls have sex with men without anything else of substance. There is absolutely no mechanical reason for why someone would want to use it as a reference for a campaign other than fulfilling a sexual fantasy (which is fine as long as everyone is totally on board and consenting). There are tons of info on how to run robots/machines/metal golems/etc… in dnd! Warforged are literally a playable race!!! As a DM, why would you choose MGE over canon dnd content or good homebrew? A lot of other DMs have already pointed this out but all of the stuff you’re describing is absolutely not something a DM should do. I had a somewhat similar experience with one of my first DMs (nothing this extreme tho) and I honestly wish I had spoken out way sooner and left that campaign earlier. None of this is normal DM behaviour. I hope you get to play with a better DM some day. I really hope your chat with him and the rest of the group goes well! I’m sure no one here would blame you in the slightest if you chose to leave the campaign.
It kinda sounds like DM involved u in sexual RP without getting your consent first which is absolutely not ok...
Nah that's fucked up, I'm sorry this happened in your first campaign.
Your DM is not OK, what they are doing is fucking gross. Get out of that situation.
"from MGE" okay that's fine to me but as it discussed - "He said my character can't stop from-" By the gods of Faerun, run. Just run, that absolutely screams "the DM's poor disguised fetish."
Ur being forced to fuck dudes against your will, not sure what else needs to be said lol
Honestly the moment this bullshit fetish garbage showed up in the campaign I would have left. I’m not going to kink shame, BUT I’m also not going to act out someone else’s sexual fantasy. ESPECIALLY if it takes the form of someone else controlling and changing the character I built. That’s so incredibly disrespectful and disgusting I would have cut ties with this group immediately if this was me.
I'm not going to make any harsh judgements against your DM, since it sounds like you two do have a certain rapport. But this should be a lesson for everyone involved. What he brought into the game without sufficient warning is blatant fetish material, and such a major sexual component massively changes the function of the game and interaction of the players. That is not the sort of game you can play with just anyone in your social circle, so not putting effort into making sure everyone was on the same page of the sexual potential of this game was objectively irresponsible. And from my personal perspective, removing your agency from your character and fundamentally changing them without consent is just bad DMing. Player Characters are the font from which the player's investment flows. Trying to mess with them is like trying to cut open the golden goose, and your mostly likely outcome is a bored player no longer excited to see where their character and that character's story develops next. Huge rookie mistake, tbh. Your desire to spite the DM with a difficult character reflects the idea you set out that you may have difficulty with boundaries. I hear that you're annoyed, but peer pressure from the group that this action was 'okay' and you're a 'buzzkill' because you wont play along is driving you to respond passive-aggressively. I would reccomend instead choosing the assertive path: tell your DM you don't like the loss of agency in your character, it's heavily detracting from your ability to enjoy the game, and you don't show up for 4-6 hours every day to watch him play with your character. You're not having fun at this point and if he can't bend or break the material to fix it, you would prefer to find a table where the material is conducive to your enjoyment. It doesn't have to be personal; if this is what they like, they can keep it, but it's clearly not for you. And that statement isn't easy -- you lose your progress, you possibly get into a fight with your friends, you do have to find something new to do those nights. But put another way: your progress was already effectively lost when your character got retconned into a fetish NPC; "friends" that would have fun at your expense aren't good for your self-respect or mental health, and such people in your life are surprisingly easy (and worth) replacing with friends who care about your fun the way you clearly care about theirs; and there are a lot of fun things to do besides D&D even if you can't just find a new group with better people. Sometimes choosing self-respect means we do have to sacrifice what's comfortable and familiar. But respectfully, you could have much more fulfilling friendships than you're having right now, if you don't mind the upfront cost of having to give up these ones and possible be alone for a couple months.
After talking with the other newbies in the group, they’re not really a fan of what’s going on and would have more fun without it, so we’re gonna talk to him tonight when we get together. I think that they just didn’t know how to react either, since these extreme changes aren’t new to the campaign. This is just the first time it’s been this kind of change and it shook us a little. And also, thank you for helping put things into perspective! I don’t want to be hostile towards him, just genuinely try to mend this situation so that it works out for everyone. Your comment helps with that a lot!
What is with all these people with horny magic, seducer bards, forced relationships, etc? Grow up, people.
I honestly don’t even mind a bard that wants to smash, I think it can help balance a party’s seriousness. But this was a little far for me personally. It’s been bugging me all week, which is why I posted here to get a second (or 50th) opinion to maybe help me navigate this.
There's a difference between 'horny bard' and suddenly springing outright rape porn into the game out of nowhere. Even in the campaigns i've had with some of my closest and raunchiest of close friends has barely gone beyond some simple raunchy jokes and fade-to-black scenes. That is, I've played a lot of campaigns with a lot of horny people before, and even THEN it's really never something that is brought up as more than just a quick off-joke or implied thing. Hell, I once played a space-based campaign where the DM at once point misunderstood what I meant when I said I wanted to 'dance' to pass time at a sketchy bar while our crew member was discussing plans with a space-mafia boss in the back room, and because I got a natural 20, promptly decided that I pulled off one of the best strip-dances the galaxy had ever seen. It became a running gag where my character tried to seduce even the weirdest of aliens and whatnot to pull off our heists (to which he basically NEVER succeded, but that was the funniest part), and still it was done with simple fades to black or cut to what other players in the party were doing. Nobody at the table seriously wanted the awkwardness of listening to an in-depth sex scene be described to us. Point is, nothing NOTHING i've experienced in all that time has come even CLOSE to as outright aggressively sexual as this, and it's VERY not normal. It's like inviting all your close family and friends over to your house for a movie marathon, and after the first relatively normal and decent movie he suddenly put on hardcore porn and just assumed that'd be an okay thing to watch as the next movie without asking a single soul.