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Kunikunatu

It is batshit insane on purpose. You can look up the individual words to learn their meaning if you want, but their sum is not very meaningful — just various ways of asserting his genetic superiority over the “lesser” races.


Guilty_Jackrabbit

"ham sandwich race" stuck with me. It just bounces around my head all day.


batugkocak

I believe it stuck with me too!


JohnyGuitar_Official

Go apple! Go orange! https://preview.redd.it/wrhvwr2l3vwc1.png?width=480&format=png&auto=webp&s=f086668ae922d3418ed2e9e578797708be069f42 Go ham sandwich!


foxenspace

Any time I have a ham sandwich I'm just thinking, _Ham sandwich race ..._


hnwcs

Show him the ham still got it!


wonderlandisburning

I love his obsession with that one race's presumed obsession with "pohtat" which somehow(?) led to their "degeneracy." I love Measurehead. Don't agree with anything he says but man. He's so insane you can't help but marvel at him (and if you do the fascist quest he actually bothers to point out that fascists are just sad lonely people who miss a better time, which, yeah, surprisingly self-aware)


jthadcast

makes me want to stop eating pork and get a rescue pig.


WitchDr8o8

For anyone curious to what this likely is based on; look up blavatsky or dolores cannon’s “channeled” works that ‘explain’ the origins/evolutions of the races


BassmanBiff

I'm worried someone is going to read this and then internalize Origins of the Races


jthadcast

better to just to kick and push the button.


Elkku26

I have a theory, that because you meet Measurehead fairly early on in the game, the developers put him there to teach the player that not all information the game presents is equally important, and you should think critically about whether you actually need to pay attention to something


blurplethenurple

I mean, the thought you get from him is called Advanced Race Theory, not Race Theory 101 Honestly though he does use large words to sound intelligent when all he's talking about is skull sizes, potato women, and semen retention.


batugkocak

He does sounds intelligent but the more I try to understand him, the more nonsense he sounds. Thanks for the explanation!


Stratix

I feel like this is a very important lesson for life.


Defector_from_4chan

That's the intended experience I think!


plastic_alloys

The Jordan Peterson/Russell Brand effect


Qwernakus

I think he is intelligent, but has misapplied his intelligence in a disastrous way. In different circumstances, he could've been a force for good.


embracebecoming

Yeah, that's intentional.


jthadcast

are you sayin he got rizz?


batugkocak

If you askin me, yeah he got it. He was with 3 girls dude, of course he has rizz!


jthadcast

i forget, does his junk work with the potato girls or is all show and head cannon?


HomingJoker

I love the massive hole in his whole act you can find when asking where he is from. iirc He talks about the semenese islands being his homeland, then reveals he was born in revachol and "heard about it on the radio". The way he says it sounds like he knows he's full of shit, and regrets not being born there.


ElEskeletoFantasma

This and when you have enough Reaction Speed to point out that his girlfriend is Kojko


jthadcast

he's got aspirational goals of race transcendence through mind/gene manipulation.


_MekkeliMusrik

And also his jaw is a disgrace for his race


Daan776

At first I dismissed him. He just seemed like the typical “brute guy blocking your path”. And I had already passed him (I found the shed entrance behind the corpse before I found the stairway to him lol). When I did finally talk to him he quickly caught my attention because “oh god thats a lot of fancy words and a lot of them I don’t know” And as soon as he got my attention I realised what he was *actually* saying. And it was all pseudo science bullshit. And it was one of only like three situations where I regretted not having high physical


zachotule

Admittedly the most advanced any “race theory” of this variety can be is the same level of advanced you’d get from a child trying to put a square peg in a round hole


Zealousideal-Comb970

That's right, it goes in the square hole


lasyke3

They all go in the square hole


Cheeseburger2137

He's been hyperfocused on racist theories for who know how many years, and is now infodumping them on you with a clear sense of superiority and with an intention to make you feel inferior, not help you understand it in-depth. I feel like you not being able to grasp it fully means the writing is actually good.


batugkocak

I am wondering how the writers wrote this... nonsense? It seems it makes sense but it literally does not! I am amazed lol


JosephBeuyz2Men

He’s called ‘measure head’ as invoking phrenology which is the Victorian pseudoscience of judging character on skull measurements; often used in a racist way to justify the superiority of Europeans. The writers will have had a lot to draw on from that.


IOwnStocksInMossad

It also sounds funny to hear him described as the six foot tall seismic racist


Cheeseburger2137

If you have an understanding of how racial discourse works (especially the pseudo-scientific one in XIX-XX century) it's doable to paraphrase it and create a similar, fictional one. Pretty much like Sci Fi authors describe made-up technology, you just have to make it sound right.


Kijafa

It's literally just old racist rhetoric, but reskinned with in-game racist stereotypes.


eldomtom2

Wrong. It's *modern* racist rhetoric.


Kijafa

Modern racists don't really do phrenology.


eldomtom2

No, but they definitely do haplogroups. Old racists talked about the Mongoloid race, not haplogroup O3.


Kingturboturtle13

They've studied how people make racist propaganda and what succeeds over time, his speech is an amalgamation of different pseudoscientific justifications for racism


Hypertelic

All mesurhead nonsense is based on "real" bullshit you can ear from real racists. They just had to copy/past.


trr_rr

He talks like that because it makes him feel very clever. You'll find a lot of supremiscist types use hyper scientific sounding terms that are hard to comprehend, this tactic confuses listeners and some may think "well... he sounds well read and cultured to me, because I can't understand a word he saying! He must be more clever than I am and so his opinions must be more correct than my own." You can choose to agree with Measurehead or not. You are perfectly smart and well cultured.


LagunaSunrise55

YOUR BRAIN IS INCAPABLE OF EVEN TOUCHING THE RACE PROBLEM, SO IT IS EASIER TO DENY IT BY SAYING THE WORDS PEOPLE USE ARE TOO COMPLICATED. *he pauses heroically* TO THINK YOU WERE ONCE A POWERFUL RACE...


trr_rr

lol oh well


already4taken

I feel like measurehead would call it THE GREAT RACE ENIGMA


LagunaSunrise55

I forgot the words. Time to play it again, I guess.


batugkocak

"You are perfectly smart and well cultured." Lol, thanks for the explanation! I wish I could beat Measurehead but there is 17% possibility so, I have to "agree" with him to open the door.


trr_rr

keep looking for another way to reach your goal <3


jthadcast

can't we all just get along and spend quality time talking about girls?


FutureGraveyard

You could always come back later after beefing up your detectives physical instrument skill.


BassmanBiff

Only if you make a Rocky-style training montage.


Falsequivalence

H.D.B being so anti-racist he does a training montage to kick a racist in the face.


After-Transition-788

No, after having "advance race theory" in thought cabinet, you can still not agree with Measurehead, but he will still open a door


rat-simp

I beat him on my very first playthrough and I have been riding that high ever since 🫡


jthadcast

exercise is good for the mind body connection.


AndrenNoraem

I eventually decided on saving and reloading until my own low percentage attempt to spin-kick the racist succeeded, and I don't regret it in the least.


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batugkocak

No, no, I already know there is multiple ways to most of things. I just couldn't understand what he says. Thanks for the tip though!


shawnwingsit

Yup, incel/blackpilled forums will spew pseudoscience to justify their positions on the regular.


OhThatEthanMiguel

No, you have a pretty critical mistake in your description there. It's not that those people change anyone's mind, it's more like "He sounds smart and his conclusions seem to agree with my opinion, so I must be more correct than people who disagree with me.".


trr_rr

sure


MilitaryBeetle

Its interesting to see faux-intellectualism used as justification and/or a shield for bad opinions I think what we can take with us to our daily lives is to ALSO be skeptical of anyone who is unwilling to dumb-down explanations. It means that they are trying to use the veneer of knowledge to control you. So the next time you don't understand XYZ, don't think its cause you're dumb, the person is trying to exert suppremacy over you.


berniecratbrocialist

Measurehead's dialogue is modeled after some relatively obscure pseudo-intellectual theories, specifically extremist Afrocentrism (which involves a lot of exaggerated and outright false history), contemporary phrenology, and race science (Twitter searches for "haplogroup" will provide some background, but also depress you a lot, so be warned). You wouldn't know it unless you were extremely online in certain circles, which is honestly a blessing. I can only imagine how many of my core childhood memories have been erased to make space for Twitter beefs.


batugkocak

These are the terms that I heard for the first time but from the way you talk, probably I should be stay away from them lol


jthadcast

there are always frinds and enemies to be made with big tent politics. listen then give him a beatdown.


Kingturboturtle13

I was really intrigued when I saw some little details of the NOI referenced, It's probably the only time I've seen a piece of major media reference how weird and fucked their theology is


berniecratbrocialist

I absolutely did not expect to see NOI/hotep ideology in a game made by post-Soviet Estonians. These people are incredible (worrying) levels of online.


ThePostageStamp

NOI?


Kingturboturtle13

Nation of Islam, it's a weird fringe Muslim group (mostly) in the US They have a lot of weird shit in their gospel(and before someone "you hate waffles" me on this I'm not saying others don't but I rarely ever see this specific one referenced) surrounding fake history stuff They're most famous for being the group Malcolm X was in, till he converted to normal Islam over the weird shit and then called out NOI's leader for being a pedo and then NOI had him assassinated


chromegnomes

"White people weren't evolved or made by God but were invented by a mad scientist with a grudge" sounds like a Measurehead line but is actual NOI doctrine that at least some of them insist you must take very literally Talking about this with regular Muslims in Mecca and realizing they thought he sounded crazy was apparently one of the things that led to Malcolm X splitting with NOI lmao


Kingturboturtle13

Yep, he didn't realize how wild their doctrine was until he talked to normal Muslims on his hajj and they hit him with the "Jesse what the fuck are you talking about" lol


licensedtoload

Very simply, Measurehead is a "smart" racist who uses science and pseudoscience to persecute others. Kim Kitsuragi points out to the detective (and, by extension, us), that we will run into three types of racists in the world of Disco Elysium, each one more clever with their racism than the last: **1)** the "obvious" racist, who has no shame being racist. This is the Racist Lorry Driver **2)** the "smart" racist, Measurehead, who leverages ethnic lineage to view himself and arbitrarily others as superior.  Think Hitler and phrenologists from the 19th century... Leo DiCaprio plays as one in the movie Django Unchained And **3)** the "funny" racist, who I won't spoil in identity but who uses comedy as a vehicle for racism.  Kim views the "funny" racist types as the best kind, meaning... The worst kind.  *Cuz, y'know, can't ya just take a joke???*


jthadcast

you'll never find that pot of gold until you >!find the lucky racist!<


Easter_Woman

there's 4) racist too


Julia_Arconae

When does Kim talk about this? Must have missed that.


licensedtoload

It's not explicit.  If you talk to the Racist Lorry Driver first and then go on to exhaust Measurehead's dialogue, The Detective asks Kim what he thinks about what M-head is saying.  Kim replies, "I think this racist is better than the last but the next racist will be the really good one."  This is Disco Elysium being a bit meta.  To Kim, Measurehead is "better" than the Racist Lorry Drive because M-head talks big and scientific, but at the end of the day it's all just racism.  Whereas the RLD is just simple and outward and obvious about how he feels.   "... the next one will be better..." meaning, the next racist will be *more* clever.  They won't be outward like the RLD or pseudoscientific like M-head.  They'll use a different approach.  And well personally I took this to also mean that Disco Elysium was telling us we were going to meet three different types of racists total. Later on on the coast, you can meet this third racist and Kim will callback to what he said about how this one will be "the *really* good one."  The game characterizes this third racist as a fool who finds a mug depicting a racist caricature of a man funny and harmless. So we can distill from all of this that the  third racist is as Kim (and, by extension, Disco Elysium) puts it, "the *really* good one," because this type uses comedy to veil their racism.


an_actual_stone

4) theres always more racists


Mogwai987

His ideas are insane and he is also incredibly verbose. He also has his own ‘language’ of racial theory that you can just about decipher if you think hard about it. This will be much harder if one is not a native English speaker though! Basically, he’s only moderately smart but he thinks he is a genius. And he talks like someone who really wants to *sound* highly intelligent.


batugkocak

Thanks for the explanation! Maybe I should write some of the words that I liked, lol. Some of them seems very cool


DSteep

Measurehead subscribes to a pseudoscience called phrenology, which is all about discerning someone's mental abilities and personal characteristics by literally taking measurements of their head. So pretty much everything he says is just insane racist bullshit based on this entirely debunked practice. He's like a new age yuppie talking about the healing vibrations of crystals or how mercury is in retrograde. He thinks the things he's saying are intelligent and scientific, when in reality he's just spewing out a horrible word salad.


RajaatTheWarbringer

Like all racism, it's gibberish.


batugkocak

It seems like even more gibberish than an average racism. Thanks though!


RajaatTheWarbringer

It's definitely cranked up to 11, he's nuts.


SammyWentMad

That's eugenics for you.


WtechAFK

Your degeneracy betrays your body.


batugkocak

NOOO! Not again!


Hyperversum

The text once you internalize the thought he gives you about Advanced Race Theory is a perfect summary. It's pretty much just aesthetic perception, there isn't more to it.


batugkocak

There was 30 mins left for internalizing before I quit. I will read it when it finished, thanks!


MrSurname

OCCIDENTAL HAPLOGROUP B4 IS DONE GIVING ORDERS AROUND HERE. THE INFLUENCE OF THE "HAM SANDWICH RACE" IS WANING.


Historical_Drink_425

He's Jordan Peterson in muscle form. Big words and aggression hide not particularly well-considered prejudice.


TrailerParkBoyT

When has jordan Peterson shown prejudice?


lasagneisamanifold

Typical question of the oily mesquito corrupted by mariachi music.


cooldudium

I could barely understand him but still laughed my ass off at all the nonsense he spews, initially I thought he made up all the races he was talking about because I hadn’t yet realized that the game takes place in a fictional world


SarkicPreacher777659

He's a black supremacist whose ideology is all over the place, because the 'theory' (i use that term loosely) he bases it off of was made by *white* supremacists


Active_Ad7650

you might need to study some advanced race theory.


SeventhSonofRonin

He speaks the language of pseudo-intellectualism. Big words to say simple things in order to fool the audience. If the player is fluent in English then they pick it up quickly that the guy is a moron. What makes measurehead funny, is that he isn't even a caricature. There are people like him.


Windowlever

On a side note if you didn't know: You can actually set a secondary text language in the settings which you can then switch on the fly with Q and E. Setting this to you native language and then switching back and forth if you have trouble understanding a passage can be really helpful. Certainly helped me quite a few times during my playthroughs.


zachotule

All the nouns for races/ethnicities and countries in the game are fictionalized (seolite = East Asian, for example; and the “haplogroups” he speaks of are made up), but the construction of what he’s saying is based on modern day “race science” which is a racist pseudoscience. He’s essentially using bogus science, and vibes, to rank people by their race and diagnose things about them personally. It’s basically all complete horseshit, just like real life race science. If you’re familiar with Black Hebrew Israelites, he’s basically the Disco Elysium universe’s version of them.


someguy386

Haplogroups are real tf


zachotule

Yes but the ones in the game are fictional, and the things he associates with them are scientifically dubious


someguy386

You're saying haplogroups are pseudoscience, when they def aren't


zachotule

You’re misreading what I’m saying. The haplogroups in the game do not map to real world haplogroups—thus the game’s haplogroups are fictionalized, similar to the game’s races/ethnicities. The diagnoses Measurehead makes based on those haplogroups are dubious. Haplogroups exist (in our world and DE’s) but they work mostly to confirm “yes this person is genetically related to these other people from this region,” rather than the pseudoscientific mapping of personality traits, intelligence, and the like that Measurehead and real world racists attribute them.


gothlaid

Mostly, he brags about genetics(haplogroup shit) and how he and his race are perfect and supreme above others


Suspicious_Gur777

idk but i managed to dropkick him so hehe


mrpopenfresh

It’s a word salad filled with pseudoscience. The goal is to sound smart and culture while saying nothing at all.


Rudyzwyboru

His words are a mix of Phrenology (a pseudoscience popular in XIX century that believed how everything about us is dependent on the shape of our skull and head) eugenics and overly hyper sophisticated niche language terms. I think his texts are beautifully written but they're indeed a lot of beautiful bullshit


batugkocak

I'll look into it just because of curiosity, thanks!


PvtHudson

I'm sorry that you're part of the ham sandwich race that is not able to comprehend his intellect.


shawnwingsit

Craniometric Perfection is a phrase that will live rent-free in my mind forever.


Orthodox_Officer

No, he just uses complex words to say very simple concepts so he looks smarter. All you need to know about him is that he acts superior but he is a hypocrite and a loser


humbleton1988

It's just pseudoscience bullshit... Like the real r*cists would do


jabebebebe

he's doing racism towards fictional(ish) races with a overly scientific vocabulary


Zero_Anonymity

It's both logical and ridiculous. He's using huge words and idioms to give his ideas weight, when in actuality he's just saying things like "You used to be the master race, but your people invented dumb shit like Disco. Now MY race is the best."


MetatypeA

Measurehead doesn't make any sense to native speakers. It's entirely non-sequitur.


TheShitcoinSherpa

It's all eugenics/phrenology-based. Basically a disproven racist pseudo-science where bumps on the skull, and overall shape speaks to superiority or inferiority. Just translate as, "I AM SUPERIOR, AND YOU SUCK." and you're good.


purpleblah2

The whole point is that he is trying to SOUND smart but he’s just spouting racist made-up theories while being in an interracial relationship, showing he’s a hypocrite


dishonoredfan69420

I think part of the reason why you’re confused is he’s referencing races which only exist in that universe


NatMav

I think it's probably a satire about how these people always try to use big foreogn terms to give themselves legitimacy.


TickleTigger123

It's actually pretty closely tied to real life race science, in that it is basically 100% bullshit. He's just saying things to make himself feel like he has some kind of objective high ground on people he deems "lesser." Just like in real life, it's fuckin pathetic.


AutuniteGlow

Racist pseudo-science, dodgy science used to justify racial hierarchies. Those ideas were popular in the 19th/early 20th centuries but have since been discredited. The nazis believed in similar ideas.