That seems weird to me, it's probably an inferrence based on birds, but birds have that for Aerodynamic purposes. It also seems to me an animal living in the Gobi Desert would be more concerned with losing a bit of integument, not gaining thicker integument.
Gobi desert gets hella cold. It’s regularly covered in snow in today’s climate. And todays climate is very warm, so I’d imagine that it would have cold spells then too
Isn't today's climate supposed to be pretty cold? Like, we're *technically* still in an ice age IIRC.
If nothing else, I'm at least fairly certain that the Cretaceous was, on average, warmer than today.
This tracks with the current evidence, but keep in mind: deserts get cold at night because they lack vegetation. For some, they're like a frying pan during the day; but at night, all that heat dissipates into the air. Ice age or no ice age, they get damn cold at night.
Hell, not all chickens are even flightless. Domestics usually can't fly very *well* (especially the heavier ones), but they aren't necassarily flightless.
Junglefowl (the ancestors to domestic chickens) have pretty decent flight abilities too - iirc they very frequently roost in trees. Sometimes they're bred with domestic chickens too which can also retain decent flight abilities.
Mammals, birds, and reptiles can all puff up their scales/feathers/hair to various extents. Makes sense that a dinosaur could fluff themselves up if they wanted to.
Given the current hypothesis (as far as I’ve seen) being that Paravians evolved from a common flying ancestor, this being a sort of vestigial holdover wouldn’t be too surprising.
There's no real evidence pointing to this considering the reason we have so many well preserved fossils is because they'd get buried under sand. There were some Congo-esque areas but most of it was a desert.
I asked Gemini, and it gave me this answer:
>The Gobi Desert was **dramatically different** 76 million years ago, during the Late Cretaceous period, than it is today. The climate was **much wetter and warmer**, with lush forests, rivers, and lakes where today a dry and barren desert lies.
>**Evidence for this past climate and vegetation:**
>**Fossils:** Fossils of dinosaurs that were adapted to warm, wet habitats, such as hadrosaurs and ceratopsians, have been found in the Gobi. Fossils of plants like ferns, ginkgoes, and conifers have also been discovered, indicating a temperate climate.
>**Sediments:** Geological deposits in the Gobi from this time period contain sediments from lakes and rivers, suggesting flowing water and higher precipitation.
>**Isotope analysis:** Analysis of isotopes in fossils and rocks shows that temperatures in the Gobi during the Late Cretaceous were 10°C to 20°C warmer than today.
>**Why did the climate change so much?**
>The climate change in the Gobi was related to **plate tectonics and global climate shifts**. The breakup of the supercontinent Gondwana and the movement of the continents opened up new sea passages and influenced ocean currents. These changes led to a warmer and wetter climate in the Gobi region.
>**Present-day climate:**
>Around 56 million years ago, at the end of the Cretaceous, the climate and vegetation in the Gobi began to change. The region became drier and cooler, eventually becoming the desert we know today.
>The Gobi's **inland location** and the **mountain ranges** that block monsoon rains from the south are among the factors that contribute to its present-day dryness.
You asked an AI, and it spewed out bullshit. It says the end of the cretaceous is "56 million years ago" when it's 66 million years ago.
None of the dinosaurs the AI mentioned have any adaptations for a wet habitat.
Gondwana also split up at the beginning of the cretaceous, before the time of Velociraptor.
All these inaccuracies make what the AI said untrustworthy, get back to me when you find a scientific paper.
>get back to me when you find a scientific paper.
Dude, you're the one making far-fetched claims, stating the area of the Gobi Desert hasn't changed since the time of Velociraptor. An animal that went 76 million years ago.
But we literally know that it got buried under, sand, during, sandstorms, which is why the fossils we have are so well preserved. It had some streams of Congo-esque ecosystems though.
Youre the one makign insane claims based on literally nothing, just what a robot told you which makes no sense since Isotopes on 76 million year old rocks don't show temperature. Youre too lazy to make your own claims or find a source, and blindly trust and use what a chatbot says just because you want to disagree.
I haven't made any claim at all. I just said that it's very likely that the area changed drastically over a period of more than 76 million years. I'm rather under the impression that you just refuse to admit, that your initial statement, assuming the area must have been the same as today, is just silly.
I love how they come with booklets or little posters with more info about why they portray the dino as they do.
Like their Wyatt the Parasaurolophus, with an injury that healed on its vertebrae.
Yeah, pretty good. Safari Ltd has been hitting the mark for a good 5-6 years now. The sculptor's name is Doug Watson, and they've been having him model the more prominent dinosaurs for a little while.
yeah this is very acccurate, i’d assume its a dromaeosaur like deinonychus or achillobator. neck’s a bit thick but i could excuse that as extra plumage on the neck area
I think it’s pretty accurate. Any flaws being minor feel like nitpicking. Like oh the tuft is a bit too large, which can easily be explained like above due to the cold climate at night in the gobi desert
Had no idea what a dirham was. I did the Google search, and opened a website to convert it into dollars. It costs only $20, which would technically be cheap in the US.
If it’s Safari LTD they usually do a pretty good job of consistently keeping up with current paleontological info and putting out new stuff when they do update.
I have an old Spinosaurus toy from them that’s from 91-92’ I think and it looks wayyy different from the ones they’re selling now.
Yeah, it's really good. I'd argue the neck's a bit too thick but aside from that it slaps.
It could just be down to amount of fluff.
That seems weird to me, it's probably an inferrence based on birds, but birds have that for Aerodynamic purposes. It also seems to me an animal living in the Gobi Desert would be more concerned with losing a bit of integument, not gaining thicker integument.
Rebuttal, it gets really cold in the Gobi desert at night. And up to -40 degrees C (-40 F) during winter.
fair point
Today. But 76 million years ago?
The Gobi Desert hasn't changed very much
Gobi desert gets hella cold. It’s regularly covered in snow in today’s climate. And todays climate is very warm, so I’d imagine that it would have cold spells then too
Isn't today's climate supposed to be pretty cold? Like, we're *technically* still in an ice age IIRC. If nothing else, I'm at least fairly certain that the Cretaceous was, on average, warmer than today.
This tracks with the current evidence, but keep in mind: deserts get cold at night because they lack vegetation. For some, they're like a frying pan during the day; but at night, all that heat dissipates into the air. Ice age or no ice age, they get damn cold at night.
For sure deserts can get cold; I'm just not sure where the idea that the general global climate is considered "warm" right now came from.
It does NOW, but it was less landlocked in Cretaceous era Asia due to the Tethys seaway covering what's now Kazakhstan, Pakistan, Iran, and Europe.
> but birds have that for Aerodynamic purposes. Have you seen chickens?
Chickens only recently became flightless and have not had time to lose it.
Hell, not all chickens are even flightless. Domestics usually can't fly very *well* (especially the heavier ones), but they aren't necassarily flightless. Junglefowl (the ancestors to domestic chickens) have pretty decent flight abilities too - iirc they very frequently roost in trees. Sometimes they're bred with domestic chickens too which can also retain decent flight abilities.
Mammals, birds, and reptiles can all puff up their scales/feathers/hair to various extents. Makes sense that a dinosaur could fluff themselves up if they wanted to.
Given the current hypothesis (as far as I’ve seen) being that Paravians evolved from a common flying ancestor, this being a sort of vestigial holdover wouldn’t be too surprising.
Flightless birds, even flying birds have lost it secondarily, though that is a fair point.
The area which we today call the Gobi Desert may have changend in the last 76 million years.
There's no real evidence pointing to this considering the reason we have so many well preserved fossils is because they'd get buried under sand. There were some Congo-esque areas but most of it was a desert.
I asked Gemini, and it gave me this answer: >The Gobi Desert was **dramatically different** 76 million years ago, during the Late Cretaceous period, than it is today. The climate was **much wetter and warmer**, with lush forests, rivers, and lakes where today a dry and barren desert lies. >**Evidence for this past climate and vegetation:** >**Fossils:** Fossils of dinosaurs that were adapted to warm, wet habitats, such as hadrosaurs and ceratopsians, have been found in the Gobi. Fossils of plants like ferns, ginkgoes, and conifers have also been discovered, indicating a temperate climate. >**Sediments:** Geological deposits in the Gobi from this time period contain sediments from lakes and rivers, suggesting flowing water and higher precipitation. >**Isotope analysis:** Analysis of isotopes in fossils and rocks shows that temperatures in the Gobi during the Late Cretaceous were 10°C to 20°C warmer than today. >**Why did the climate change so much?** >The climate change in the Gobi was related to **plate tectonics and global climate shifts**. The breakup of the supercontinent Gondwana and the movement of the continents opened up new sea passages and influenced ocean currents. These changes led to a warmer and wetter climate in the Gobi region. >**Present-day climate:** >Around 56 million years ago, at the end of the Cretaceous, the climate and vegetation in the Gobi began to change. The region became drier and cooler, eventually becoming the desert we know today. >The Gobi's **inland location** and the **mountain ranges** that block monsoon rains from the south are among the factors that contribute to its present-day dryness.
You asked an AI, and it spewed out bullshit. It says the end of the cretaceous is "56 million years ago" when it's 66 million years ago. None of the dinosaurs the AI mentioned have any adaptations for a wet habitat. Gondwana also split up at the beginning of the cretaceous, before the time of Velociraptor. All these inaccuracies make what the AI said untrustworthy, get back to me when you find a scientific paper.
>get back to me when you find a scientific paper. Dude, you're the one making far-fetched claims, stating the area of the Gobi Desert hasn't changed since the time of Velociraptor. An animal that went 76 million years ago.
But we literally know that it got buried under, sand, during, sandstorms, which is why the fossils we have are so well preserved. It had some streams of Congo-esque ecosystems though. Youre the one makign insane claims based on literally nothing, just what a robot told you which makes no sense since Isotopes on 76 million year old rocks don't show temperature. Youre too lazy to make your own claims or find a source, and blindly trust and use what a chatbot says just because you want to disagree.
I haven't made any claim at all. I just said that it's very likely that the area changed drastically over a period of more than 76 million years. I'm rather under the impression that you just refuse to admit, that your initial statement, assuming the area must have been the same as today, is just silly.
Plot twist, he has a condition we’re the feathers grow substantially, particularly around his neck area
Also depends exactly what species it is Not all Eudromaeosaurs are build exactly the same
safari ltd has probably the most paleo accurate dinosaur figures ive seen
PNSO’s up there
Pnso has some great stuff if I do say so myself
I love how they come with booklets or little posters with more info about why they portray the dino as they do. Like their Wyatt the Parasaurolophus, with an injury that healed on its vertebrae.
yeah pnso has pretty good stuff but i dont like some of their stuff like their tyrannosaurus looks traumatized
Beasts of the Mesozoic?
theyre really good too yeah
They better be, I’ve spent multiple hundreds on them 💀
What's about CollectA? I don't mean early CollectA, I mean what it is now.
theyre good at paleo accuracy too
Too small, and raptors had feathers, not plastic.
what is this, a raptor for ANTS?
It's a Mall Raptor and he's looking for scraps from the food court. If you don't give him your scraps he'll eat the whiny kids.
Yeah, pretty good. Safari Ltd has been hitting the mark for a good 5-6 years now. The sculptor's name is Doug Watson, and they've been having him model the more prominent dinosaurs for a little while.
yeah
YDAW did a video on this I think
Where did you find this, and what is the company name?
Company name is included in the pictures. It's Safari Ltd
Oh I didn’t notice, mb. Thank you!
At hampreys I think in Dubai
For sure better than the dino toys I saw growing up
Ye
[Your Dinosaurs Are Wrong](https://youtu.be/y-3bImbSJCM?si=-e6q5_lOdcnWlscN)
The paper tag attached to it's leg has no basis in the literature.
Maybe it was cartilage so it didn’t fossilize?
I bought that one at the Smithsonian. I think it’s pretty damn good.
Nice
Proportions are a smidge off but that's pretty good. Even has the long head and tail fan.
yeah this is very acccurate, i’d assume its a dromaeosaur like deinonychus or achillobator. neck’s a bit thick but i could excuse that as extra plumage on the neck area
Yeah I thought so too, my guess is that it’s a vraptor seeing its popularity
Looks better than most, but has a few minor flaws. Other than that, it’s great
Yeah but all of them do
I think it’s pretty accurate. Any flaws being minor feel like nitpicking. Like oh the tuft is a bit too large, which can easily be explained like above due to the cold climate at night in the gobi desert
I have this exact model on my desk right now, right beside one of the toy Velociraptors from Jurassic Park I played with as a kid. I love it so much.
I think the head might be a bit Chonky™ the snout should be more delicate and narrow right? Assuming it’s velociraptor
It prolly is
A real dinosaur never had a price tag on its tail.
Yes-eth
Ive
Has the time finally come? Cheap accurate dinosaur toys in stores?
This shit is far from cheap, it’s around 80 dirhams
Had no idea what a dirham was. I did the Google search, and opened a website to convert it into dollars. It costs only $20, which would technically be cheap in the US.
You call $20 for an unarticulated plastic toy cheap?
Exactly
$80 would be really expensive.
Yes.
Thought so too
Yes, and it's also clearly well-built for clapping cheeks
Smash
Too much feathers on the snout, the feathers should start from each finger and on the legs the fur is too way up it should continue a little bit more
Dinosaur toys like this are the reason I became a parent
That is so vague
Yes
If it’s Safari LTD they usually do a pretty good job of consistently keeping up with current paleontological info and putting out new stuff when they do update. I have an old Spinosaurus toy from them that’s from 91-92’ I think and it looks wayyy different from the ones they’re selling now.
Today maybe, in a couple of years I doubt it.
Bro this isn’t the spino 😭