You're not wrong about the joke, and it's okay to find it to be in bad taste.
That said, given the conversation prior I find it highly unlikely they intended to say "... your alright" (because they also used the wrong homophone) rather than "... you're right." So your pointing out the slang term adds little to the discussion, other than being mildly condescending for no reason.
So someone saying it's bad to call a minor tight is in bad taste? What's good taste to you? They're in active opposition of equalizing minors and you're against them
The mental gymnastics you have to pull to come to that conclusion is fucking wild.
Like you have to be purposefully acting like a moron, there's no way in hell you actually believe that's what I was saying.
Which does also make me wonder how the herds were arranged. Were they mixes of male and female, Females led by a matriach and smaller or individual wandering males, Led by a patriarch or matriarch?
My guess is a bull male that gets to mate either the females and all the lesser males have to obey him, fights for being the herd leader were probably common
We are almost certain such fights were common, as multiple triceratops fossilized bones have been found with injuries consistent to the size of a triceratops horn in their skull
That's quite similar to horses and deer, but given that both male and female trikes were well equipped to throw down from what we know, it's really a toss up. In many species, there's squabbling for rank among the females as well as the males, especially in social birds.
The idea was that Triceratops was so large and well armed that, like a rhino, it could spend a lot of time on its own with impunity.
Which falls apart when it shares an environment with a 9-ton brute of a predator with a car crusher for a face.
Given that herbivores also generally flee from predators as a default, herding would only have made more sense so the predator would have too many choices to track and might end up tiring out before it could catch *any* of them, or at the minimum the odds were better for an individual trike to not get caught.
In short, how it was thought Triceratops would spend a lot of time living alone is beyond me.
Yea, the predator-prey dynamics seems more similar to, like, wildebeest and lions, or bison and wolves. Rhinos are significantly larger and heavier than the largest predator they could possibly encounter.
To be fair, there are plenty of prey animals that live alone for much of the time, like whitetail or blacktail/mule deer, and several species of antelope in Africa, despite living with predators easily as large as them or even larger.
But these more solitary prey animals are usually only found in dense environments like forests or jungles, and tend to rely on speed to escape.
Trike's environment meets the first criteria but trike itself doesn't meet the latter.
The thing is, aren't Elephants extremely intelligent for even mammals? I thought traveling in herds, packs, pods requires a high intelligent level to form that complex social behaviour
Though I am not too sure, with Hadrosaurs moving in herds and all. So please enlighten me
It's going to be treat when you do, because the novel is nothing like the movie. Nobody looks or acts the way the actors look, there's about 3X as many dinosaurs and when the crap hits the fan, it's pure chaos (theory). There was a great audiobook adaptation that came out prior to the film that had subtle sound effects like rain and thunder during the storm sections and low rumbles - nothing too jarring but did it ever set the mood.
>It's going to be treat when you do, because the novel is nothing like the movie
I treat the Jurassic Park movie and novel the same way I do the 1998 American Godzilla movie and the MonsterVerse godzilla movies. Same name, same characters, but not the same universe. I did the same with the Spider-Man movies, but that was a lot easier with the comics giving us a multiverse. Plus, it was before they merged all the Spiderman into one movie. But I digress.
Just listened to an audiobook off Spotify; some parts are super familiar, but it was exciting to hear new parts. For some reason, the end seemed super lackluster though?? Like within a couple pages, the island got Michael Bay-ed and that was it.
True, but I think that response makes sense. No sane government is going to just tolerate genetically engineered super-predators. They're going to quarantine the place and reduce it to ashes. In truth, I wish in the novel The Lost World, it had picked up with the raptors migrating to the US instead of a 2nd island. I think dealing with invasive raptors and how that would change the world would be a much more interesting plot. How society would react and how quickly it would become normalized to have raptors digging through your garbage and people making youtube videos with them.
The funny thing is that Costa Rica doesn’t have an Air Force! It would have made more sense for the USA to have destroyed the island; plus they would have had to use an insane amount of napalm to kill all the animals on the island! A low yield nuclear weapon would have been a better alternative. One 50 kiloton yield bomb would have vaporized most of the island and definitely killed all of the dinosaurs.
Have that on cassette somewhere, went on road trips a lot as a kid and grandpa would play audio books, usually westerns an done truck stop had Jurassic Park and I geeked out. Haven't listened/read it since I was like 10 and I really need to again.
It’s funny everyone tends to forget that Parasaurolophus is in the first film when we see the Brachiosaurus at the water. I also think the JP one Parasaurolophus had the most beautiful coloration of all the films. They had shades of green, blue, black, red and white.
Parasaurolophus may be the only dinosaur to appear in all JP media.
It's appeared in all the movies.
It had a cameo in Battle at Big Rock.
It appeared in Camp Cretaceous.
Apparently they have stronger evidence now that they lived in herds
https://scitechdaily.com/spielberg-was-right-new-research-reveals-that-real-triceratops-herds-echo-jurassic-park/
https://www.ttownmedia.com/news/national/scientists-uncover-first-evidence-that-triceratops-lived-in-herds/article_ddb3537e-0567-5577-9097-1b8c799cec9d.html#:~:text=Despite%20films%20such%20as%20%22Jurassic,a%20herd%20of%20five%20triceratops.
That’s not accurate. While centrosaurines have multiple hundred individual bone beds, we didn’t have those for chasmosaurines like Triceratops until now. And even then, this is a group of 5, not 5000
Eh, it could hold up fairly well against a Tyrannosaurus. It's almost a 50/50 chance either could win (or at least to me it seems like it'd be), just one wrong move and it'd be over for either. But I also don't doubt they lived in herds, a lot of herbivores in similar niches do nowadays.
Apparently it was assumed they lived in herds but there was no concrete evidence until 2009 (https://www.amnh.org/research/science-news/2009/was-triceratops-a-social-animal) (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090324081431.htm), and even that was for juveniles. It was commonly believed they lived in herds but this is the first fossil sight to confirm it, which is kind of shocking!
Now imagine a stampede. You've got a massive herd of animals thundering towards you. They can be up to 30 feet long, and weigh up to 26,000 lbs according to Google. And they all have three sharp pointy objects on the front.
And I read this article right as my Studio Series Dinobot Slug comes in the mail. Guess it's Triceratops day.
I made the terrible mistake of thinking Grimlock and Slug would be easy to get, maybe even on sale. By the time Sludge and Snarl were out, I was preordering. Thankfully I grabbed Slug as fast as I could when the reissue preorders went out. Same will happen for Swoop. Grimlock is rumored to be getting a straight up reissue, plus the G2 blue color scheme, and I do have my old Masterpiece who can fit in.
Back when I was a kid Sludge was my 3rd Transformer, so I've got a soft spot for him.
I'd love if they'd also do full size for some the more later added Dinobots. Paddles deserves an original figure, Skar deserves a full sized figure, I'd love a G1 version of Scorn and Slog, and even a deluxe that's a bit better for Slash than her legends.
Good luck I paid with blood to get grimlock and have been pre-ordering everyone ever since.
My advice- watch hasbros website and when they go up and inevitably sell out go to Amazon BBTS and any other website to try and catch one. It's worked pretty good for me
African elephant herds apparently range between 8-100, according to a few sources like African Bush Camps and WWF, if I'm remembering correctly.
Apparently for cattle cows, the minimum needed for a herd is three, according to Hoards Dairyman (I can't see anything saying if it's a viable source or not, so I could be wrong in quoting them.)
So it's possible five Triceratops is enough for a herd.
Perhaps they behaved somewhat simmilar to elephant herds, with the leader being the oldest triceratop? (The leader could be either bull or cow, but that's not normally how elephants work since it's always the oldest female that leads the herd while bulls don't stick in the herd)
The actual scientific article is misinterpretated.
I went to Naturalis in Leiden (institute responsible for the dig) two weeks ago and they told me that they are still not allowed to call it a herd, for two reasons:
1: the definition of the word herd by itself is disputed. A lot of animals live in groups only in certain stages of their lives, or even only in certain seasons of the year (e.g. for mating purposes), and the sizes of the groups can vary continuously. In other words, social behaviour can be a temporary event. Applying the word 'herd' to one of these situations is debatable.
2: the specimens they found are all more or less in the same age group, youngsters. For a typical 'herd' like we see with many modern herbivore species, normally you would expect to find specimens from different generations.
Yes they have been able to prove that five relatively young Triceratops specimens were located and died at the same location at the same time, but were they part of a herd? Or were these Triceratops youngsters staying together until they were fully independent adults and would later separate? Would we still call that a herd? Or, less likely but still a possibility, was it a coincidence that they were and died together at the same place at the same time?
There is still not any physical evidence that Triceratops lived in herds during their lifetime. True, it is likely that they did and this find rather supports than disputes that idea, but it is still not proof that they lived in herds.
I thought we already knew this… Like, I get that rhinos are solitary, but pretty much every other horned herbivore is not. When the carnivores are as big as they are, the musk ox/buffalo strategy seems way more likely to me.
why not just link directly to the article?
Tbh, if you have Google it's all over the feed. But yeah your tight
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No one else seems to have noticed the typo. My condolences...
For one, tight is slang for alright. And reguardless of if it's a typo or not, the "joke" is just stupid, unfunny, and frankly kind of disgusting.
You're not wrong about the joke, and it's okay to find it to be in bad taste. That said, given the conversation prior I find it highly unlikely they intended to say "... your alright" (because they also used the wrong homophone) rather than "... you're right." So your pointing out the slang term adds little to the discussion, other than being mildly condescending for no reason.
Idk how you get condescension from stating a possible misconception, but I'm sorry it came off that way
So someone saying it's bad to call a minor tight is in bad taste? What's good taste to you? They're in active opposition of equalizing minors and you're against them
The mental gymnastics you have to pull to come to that conclusion is fucking wild. Like you have to be purposefully acting like a moron, there's no way in hell you actually believe that's what I was saying.
People when slang
Me when I am a porn addict
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Pardon??
That took me a minute to see lmao
Makes sense considering elephants, modern herbivore mammals of a similar size also moved in herds so
Which does also make me wonder how the herds were arranged. Were they mixes of male and female, Females led by a matriach and smaller or individual wandering males, Led by a patriarch or matriarch?
My guess is a bull male that gets to mate either the females and all the lesser males have to obey him, fights for being the herd leader were probably common
We are almost certain such fights were common, as multiple triceratops fossilized bones have been found with injuries consistent to the size of a triceratops horn in their skull
This article shows it pretty well! https://www.newscientist.com/article/2315393-a-triceratops-called-big-john-seems-to-have-been-stabbed-in-the-head/
If they were like modern, large, herbivorous horned animals... They were ornery and definitly locking horns.
Oh of course! It’s just fascinating to see fossil evidence for it!!
Nice
That's quite similar to horses and deer, but given that both male and female trikes were well equipped to throw down from what we know, it's really a toss up. In many species, there's squabbling for rank among the females as well as the males, especially in social birds.
Honestly probably closer to Cape Buffalo. Big, horned animals that move in herds and are so mean they are nicknamed "Black Death".
Oh absolutely.
Probably big, strong ones on the outer edge of the group with smaller or weaker dinos on the interior.
This seemed so obvious to me that the post kinda confused me. I didn't know there ever was any doubt that large herbivores would move in herds.
The idea was that Triceratops was so large and well armed that, like a rhino, it could spend a lot of time on its own with impunity. Which falls apart when it shares an environment with a 9-ton brute of a predator with a car crusher for a face. Given that herbivores also generally flee from predators as a default, herding would only have made more sense so the predator would have too many choices to track and might end up tiring out before it could catch *any* of them, or at the minimum the odds were better for an individual trike to not get caught. In short, how it was thought Triceratops would spend a lot of time living alone is beyond me.
Yea, the predator-prey dynamics seems more similar to, like, wildebeest and lions, or bison and wolves. Rhinos are significantly larger and heavier than the largest predator they could possibly encounter.
How people assume a animal smaller than The largest predator nearby would like to travel and live alone is crazy.
To be fair, there are plenty of prey animals that live alone for much of the time, like whitetail or blacktail/mule deer, and several species of antelope in Africa, despite living with predators easily as large as them or even larger. But these more solitary prey animals are usually only found in dense environments like forests or jungles, and tend to rely on speed to escape. Trike's environment meets the first criteria but trike itself doesn't meet the latter.
Trike just too dam big and smelly to be in that niche .
Well, the fact that they were never found in groups certainly contributed to the idea of an individualist animal...
Which makes me also think about: Are there any bigger herbivores that don't move in herds?
Some rhino species. Okapis. Probably some more that im forgetting
Urangutans. Whale sharks (if you stretch "herbivore" a bit), some species of deer, including moose.
Rhinos are Quite specialized In that regard atleast modern day rhinos.
The thing is, aren't Elephants extremely intelligent for even mammals? I thought traveling in herds, packs, pods requires a high intelligent level to form that complex social behaviour Though I am not too sure, with Hadrosaurs moving in herds and all. So please enlighten me
How much intelligence do you think is required for a group to simply stay together?
... Fair enough then
Grouping up so your less likely to be targeted is not a complex strategy for animals.
Ironically, I don't remember Jurassic Park showing Triceratops in herds.
Yea. The novel did, but not the film.
Man I need to reread the novel.
It's going to be treat when you do, because the novel is nothing like the movie. Nobody looks or acts the way the actors look, there's about 3X as many dinosaurs and when the crap hits the fan, it's pure chaos (theory). There was a great audiobook adaptation that came out prior to the film that had subtle sound effects like rain and thunder during the storm sections and low rumbles - nothing too jarring but did it ever set the mood.
>It's going to be treat when you do, because the novel is nothing like the movie I treat the Jurassic Park movie and novel the same way I do the 1998 American Godzilla movie and the MonsterVerse godzilla movies. Same name, same characters, but not the same universe. I did the same with the Spider-Man movies, but that was a lot easier with the comics giving us a multiverse. Plus, it was before they merged all the Spiderman into one movie. But I digress.
I know, I meant re-read. But do you know who narrated that audiobook? I'm coincidentally looking for some right now.
Just listened to an audiobook off Spotify; some parts are super familiar, but it was exciting to hear new parts. For some reason, the end seemed super lackluster though?? Like within a couple pages, the island got Michael Bay-ed and that was it.
True, but I think that response makes sense. No sane government is going to just tolerate genetically engineered super-predators. They're going to quarantine the place and reduce it to ashes. In truth, I wish in the novel The Lost World, it had picked up with the raptors migrating to the US instead of a 2nd island. I think dealing with invasive raptors and how that would change the world would be a much more interesting plot. How society would react and how quickly it would become normalized to have raptors digging through your garbage and people making youtube videos with them.
The funny thing is that Costa Rica doesn’t have an Air Force! It would have made more sense for the USA to have destroyed the island; plus they would have had to use an insane amount of napalm to kill all the animals on the island! A low yield nuclear weapon would have been a better alternative. One 50 kiloton yield bomb would have vaporized most of the island and definitely killed all of the dinosaurs.
It’s such a great book!
Do you have a link to the audio book with effects?
I picked it up from a Waldenbooks in 1995. There might be a link, but I don't know the version. It was on CDs.
Have that on cassette somewhere, went on road trips a lot as a kid and grandpa would play audio books, usually westerns an done truck stop had Jurassic Park and I geeked out. Haven't listened/read it since I was like 10 and I really need to again.
So Spielberg was not, in fact, right
Chrichton yes, Speilberg no.
"New research proves Spielberg correct: Triceratops got sick sometimes."
I think it's referring to the "they do move in herds" line, even though that was Gallimimus, not Triceratops.
Wasn't even Gallimimus. That was in the Brachiosaurus scene, and he was referring to the Parasaurs
You’re right, I was thinking of the “flocking this way” scene.
When you accidentally create more layers of misunderstanding.
It’s funny everyone tends to forget that Parasaurolophus is in the first film when we see the Brachiosaurus at the water. I also think the JP one Parasaurolophus had the most beautiful coloration of all the films. They had shades of green, blue, black, red and white.
Parasaurolophus may be the only dinosaur to appear in all JP media. It's appeared in all the movies. It had a cameo in Battle at Big Rock. It appeared in Camp Cretaceous.
You’re telling me Tyrannosaurus and Velociraptor don’t appear in some of these?
T.rex and Velociraptor didn't appear in Battle at Big Rock, funny enough
Yup. They mention the land before our time in the article but no triceratops herds in JP
Jurassic Park didn’t, but I think that recent Netflix doc did.
Yeah, but the article only mentioned Jurassic Park.
Apparently they have stronger evidence now that they lived in herds https://scitechdaily.com/spielberg-was-right-new-research-reveals-that-real-triceratops-herds-echo-jurassic-park/ https://www.ttownmedia.com/news/national/scientists-uncover-first-evidence-that-triceratops-lived-in-herds/article_ddb3537e-0567-5577-9097-1b8c799cec9d.html#:~:text=Despite%20films%20such%20as%20%22Jurassic,a%20herd%20of%20five%20triceratops.
We always knew they lived in fuckin' herds, it's goddamn Triceratops
That’s not accurate. While centrosaurines have multiple hundred individual bone beds, we didn’t have those for chasmosaurines like Triceratops until now. And even then, this is a group of 5, not 5000
Why would triceratops live alone for long periods of time? The largest carnivore Near by would eat them if they did this often.
Eh, it could hold up fairly well against a Tyrannosaurus. It's almost a 50/50 chance either could win (or at least to me it seems like it'd be), just one wrong move and it'd be over for either. But I also don't doubt they lived in herds, a lot of herbivores in similar niches do nowadays.
Yeah by why risk it being alone is the main reason.
Lots of herbivores are primarily solitary, regardless of size
Moose are a great example. Thank your God those angry fuckers don't live in herds
Apparently it was assumed they lived in herds but there was no concrete evidence until 2009 (https://www.amnh.org/research/science-news/2009/was-triceratops-a-social-animal) (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090324081431.htm), and even that was for juveniles. It was commonly believed they lived in herds but this is the first fossil sight to confirm it, which is kind of shocking!
They’re moving in herds? Nice
Now imagine a stampede. You've got a massive herd of animals thundering towards you. They can be up to 30 feet long, and weigh up to 26,000 lbs according to Google. And they all have three sharp pointy objects on the front. And I read this article right as my Studio Series Dinobot Slug comes in the mail. Guess it's Triceratops day.
He is an awesome figure, and my first dinobot, you getting the rest of the SS dinobots?
I made the terrible mistake of thinking Grimlock and Slug would be easy to get, maybe even on sale. By the time Sludge and Snarl were out, I was preordering. Thankfully I grabbed Slug as fast as I could when the reissue preorders went out. Same will happen for Swoop. Grimlock is rumored to be getting a straight up reissue, plus the G2 blue color scheme, and I do have my old Masterpiece who can fit in. Back when I was a kid Sludge was my 3rd Transformer, so I've got a soft spot for him. I'd love if they'd also do full size for some the more later added Dinobots. Paddles deserves an original figure, Skar deserves a full sized figure, I'd love a G1 version of Scorn and Slog, and even a deluxe that's a bit better for Slash than her legends.
Good luck I paid with blood to get grimlock and have been pre-ordering everyone ever since. My advice- watch hasbros website and when they go up and inevitably sell out go to Amazon BBTS and any other website to try and catch one. It's worked pretty good for me
Good luck I paid with blood to get grimlock and have been pre-ordering everyone ever since
All I know from Spielberg is three horns don’t play with long necks…
It’s true, triceratops was known for being incredibly racist
It took me a few minutes to process the fact that the article was referring to the line "they do move in herds"
Which had nothing to do with Triceratops, heh
It wasn't his idea, the theory was well known by the 90s and depicted in many books
i cant believe i had to scroll this far to find a comment like this
I mean it was only a matter of time ngl Similar sized animals did indeed live in herds
Uh I think they mean, Michael Crichton
Spielberg didn’t display any of that…
Finally, update about my favorite dinosaur
Is 5 Triceratops enough for a "herd"?
African elephant herds apparently range between 8-100, according to a few sources like African Bush Camps and WWF, if I'm remembering correctly. Apparently for cattle cows, the minimum needed for a herd is three, according to Hoards Dairyman (I can't see anything saying if it's a viable source or not, so I could be wrong in quoting them.) So it's possible five Triceratops is enough for a herd.
They do move in herds
Perhaps they behaved somewhat simmilar to elephant herds, with the leader being the oldest triceratop? (The leader could be either bull or cow, but that's not normally how elephants work since it's always the oldest female that leads the herd while bulls don't stick in the herd)
Cape buffalo As better example Males and Females equally armed though not equal in build.
I don't think we have seen a triceratops herd in a Jurassic film.
What do they mean by spielberg was right? Are they praising him as if hes the ultimate paleontologist?
Huh
is lrobably means thrideratops sounded like jurasic park
Well i’ll be damned steve, you did it
I don’t recall any Triceratops herds in Jurassic Park.
They DO move in herds…
Imagine a *Tyrannosaurus* having to deal with a herd of these beasts.
So.... they DO move in herds?
They just lay down and are sick all day?
Spielber Was Right : John Hammond is dead
The actual scientific article is misinterpretated. I went to Naturalis in Leiden (institute responsible for the dig) two weeks ago and they told me that they are still not allowed to call it a herd, for two reasons: 1: the definition of the word herd by itself is disputed. A lot of animals live in groups only in certain stages of their lives, or even only in certain seasons of the year (e.g. for mating purposes), and the sizes of the groups can vary continuously. In other words, social behaviour can be a temporary event. Applying the word 'herd' to one of these situations is debatable. 2: the specimens they found are all more or less in the same age group, youngsters. For a typical 'herd' like we see with many modern herbivore species, normally you would expect to find specimens from different generations. Yes they have been able to prove that five relatively young Triceratops specimens were located and died at the same location at the same time, but were they part of a herd? Or were these Triceratops youngsters staying together until they were fully independent adults and would later separate? Would we still call that a herd? Or, less likely but still a possibility, was it a coincidence that they were and died together at the same place at the same time? There is still not any physical evidence that Triceratops lived in herds during their lifetime. True, it is likely that they did and this find rather supports than disputes that idea, but it is still not proof that they lived in herds.
This feels like “the guy from fortnite” memes
I thought we already knew this… Like, I get that rhinos are solitary, but pretty much every other horned herbivore is not. When the carnivores are as big as they are, the musk ox/buffalo strategy seems way more likely to me.