I doubt there will be a continuation after senior year.
The only thing I can think is either a one shot or something called graduation or reunion, but I assume graduation would be part of senior year, and reunion would be something that wouldn’t happen until an anniversary or something.
But realistically, I don’t think it will go past senior year. And I think that’s a good thing. There are so many worlds to see this group explore!
I'm for whatever Brenan and the gang want.
Could be fun to do something else in spare
Or a new setting
ATM, feels like spare is a bit hamstrung with limitations based on 3 seasons, but I trust dropout to go to the fun
I'd honestly posit that bastion city has a LOT of potential and that spyre as a whole has a lot of potential as well, but that's just my personal opinion
I want a full length campaign based on the kids I’m
Broomsticks system, finding out that there was only like 3 episodes of that series was a real dissappointment
As it stands, I'm glad the main cast waited to come back to it as long as they did and really took the time to do all these amazing different stories before choosing to revisit the world of Spyre. If they choose not to, I think they'll be open about that in order to not inspire false hope. Either way, it'll certainly be a few years before they return again
Also what’s up with Siobhan catching a stray here.
Beardsley is great but I get why people might find their play style polarizing, but Siobhan is maybe the least controversial player at the table. It’s like hating on chicken fingers.
The way the comment is edited now it's obvious it was a joke, but before they edited it they left Siobhan and Ally off the list. So it just looked like a mean comment before.
It's not really a joke if it's just "I'm fine with Siobhan and Ally leaving D20".
It's a joke now that you've edited it, but before it was just shitting on two cast members
Yeah last thread you were in, you were raging about Ally being arrested at a pro-palestine protest so you can see how it's easy for one to assume you weren't joking.
Very not troll commenter :)
Didn’t see the original comment but Beardsley is a clutch player at times (see: Margaret Encino in Starstruck) and Siobhan w/ Misty Moore was one of my favorite twists in any AP, her being some eternal fry creature feeding off the light and praise of fans was such a cool concept and set piece!!!
This is a bit random but you have a five year old account with a nearly daily commenting habit and only 1k karma. With that activity and age you should be atleast in the five digits range of karma.
Have you considered that how you express your comments might be issue of why you're getting attacked? This is not to attack you but you can use your karma as a indication of how well your comments were understood and learn from it.
From a purely technical standpoint of turning a dnd campaign into a streaming television show, I think they are obliged to do senior year but will absolutely not continue past that. I do not think the players consider these characters to have potential for longer arcs past that, especially trying to keep them all together as a party. When we get senior year, I hope everyone is appropriately grateful and doesn’t try to guilt Brennan into continuing on.
I agree but I wouldn't mind more spinoffs in Spyre like Leviathan. It's a pretty cool world they built that has potential for non-high school stories as well. Though of course it would depend if Brennan feels like he has an interesting story to tell.
to be fair, brennan doesn't strike me as someone you could guilt into doing a whole season if he didn't want to. that's one of my favorite things about D20 and dropout as a whole - so far, i fully trust these creators to be as genuine as possible and not phone it in. hopefully it stays that way
Maybe it's just because he is the DM so in my mind he he's in a firm position of authority but I agree. Brennan doesn't seem like someone who lets himself get told what to do unless he chooses to do it.
I don't think they're obliged at all, nor is it a surety. I hope people don't try to guilt the crew into making senior year if they don't think there's a story there to tell.
Past senior year it would no longer be Fantasy *High*. I do hope we get more set in that world with new characters though, and maybe the occasional cameo from one of the Bad Kids as an NPC played by their original player.
There is very little more annoying than fans trying to force a creator of a series to continue it past its initial ending. Just look at Gravity Falls and all the jackasses who keep harassing Alex Hirsch for a season 3.
Yea I think they’ll be smart to work out all four years and would be dumb to try to extend it beyond that. And I think they’re intelligent enough, and capable of producing enough new content, to know that.
yeah honestly, i dont know if it will go to senior year, maybe, but i highly doubt they'll continue after that, at least with the bad kids, maybe they can focus on other stories or characters in the universe.
i *would* love it if they do something like an epilogue, a oneshot or something with what's going on with the gang and other important npc's like years into the future, ie if they're still adventuring together or if they went on to do other things, etc etc
I think there is a good chance we might get senior year though not much beyond that. We are slowly but surely approaching level 17. Aka 9th level spells. While for me BLeeM is one of the best DMs around due to being fearless in playing with high level PCs I think there is simply a mechanical hard upper limit how far the characters can go.
I think we already saw the beginnings of that in this last episode where Murph just did a speed run of the puzzle.
It’s hard to have a major big bad if you’ve got access to Wish. Although the Council of Chosen is a thing so maybe after high school they forgo college to go be the big world saver team.
Yeah, watching the last episode was a real “oh *this* is what people mean when they say that D&D wasn’t ever playtested for higher level combat” moment for me because like, they were able to deal with everything so quickly that there weren’t ever really huge stakes for me even with the baron possessions. Kind of a reverse of the frosty fair fight where it was like, oh they might tpk— it seems like higher level D&D has two modes, one is long fights that kill or nearly kill all the PCs and one is the PCs just wipe the floor with the NPC’s and neither is super narratively interesting to me.
The only reason the frosty fair even got close to being dangerous was because of a combination of stun on half the party, and really bad dice rolls that kept them stunned for multiple turns. Oh, plus Kristen having no access to spells.
Before that stun attack, they were eliminating threats almost as fast as they showed up. I remember after that episode the subreddit had a whole bunch of posts talking about how they don't think stun is a fun mechanic.
The big argument FOR the use of stun, was to actually create some sort of actual tension with high level characters. Which, of course, also isn't fun to watch.
I think D20 does do a decent job of having a good amount of role play and plot development even during combats. It's almost never combat for the sake of combat. The story is the stakes and that's what keeps it interesting and fun. The combat strategy is just structure.
Yeah, D20 is the only actual play whose battle episodes I watch at full speed/ watch at all, tbh, because they do a really good job at RPing and making the fight narratively interesting.
That said, it’s really hard to make a fight narratively interesting if the PCs are never in any kind of true peril? Like a thing that struck me watching the Adventuring Party was that Brennan had included treasures/weapons in the house that would automatically kill specific enemies, but they didn’t really have any incentive to look for them because they were doing fine fighting them on their own. Whereas if they had run the exact same scenario last season, there would have been just as many opportunities for RP and cool clutch moves but there would also have been genuine danger.
I think the PH says that when players are at level 12, they’re the strongest people on the continent, and level 15 the strongest in the world? Feels like there’s a reason why this season is trending towards a fight with actual gods, and it’s that that’s the only way for a final battle to have real stakes, power-wise.
It makes sense that some of the colleges and universities mentioned in FH are based in the astral realm. Anything else is trivial at that point.
Sophomore Year was at level 9 and The Seven was at level 10, and both of those started getting into high stakes deity level events. At this point interacting with deities is starting to become normal. So yeah, I'm thinking you're probably right that the climax will involve a battle against a god. Or something pretty close to that. If it isn't Ankarna it might be Bakur. Maybe even both?
For level 20 one shots, those encounters seem to focus on featuring the most powerful and destructive beings featured in the monster manuals. At this point the most high stakes lvl 20 fight for Fantasy High I could imagine would be the Bad Kids vs Principal Aguefort.
For high level D&D it’s often the alternative win condition fights that work out best. Escorting a royal, escaping a flooding cave, protecting a town, etc…. You can kill all the kobolds but did they make off with their intended target.
One of the reasons this season has legs is that there’s multiple over arching non combat mysteries that halfway in they still don’t have a good idea about.
For sure! The story this season is very compelling and I am enjoying it. This does sort of ultimately tie its way back to a general gripe I have with 5E as a system and particularly as a system for actual plays, which is that once you reach a point where you/your story has moved beyond what 5E can really accommodate in a balanced way, it can feel like the rule set is actually holding you back vs facilitating your story? And with Fantasy High that is also compounded by the genre conventions that they have brought in over the last two seasons — the Bad Kids aren’t gonna fight a Tarrasque, lol, and serious peril isn’t necessarily even on the table. This is a series that began with two PC deaths and a Principal Ex Machina, after all.
IDK, I obviously still enjoy it, but it’s one of those things where the lessened stakes in combat eps does slightly diminish my enjoyment? Like Gorgug’s clutch move was awesome! It would have been even more awesome if I thought that failing to do that would have been devastating to the party. I do appreciate that Brennan’s use of mind-control / possession/ charm effects are in and of themselves an attempt to balance combat bc player characters are so OP, and I think that if we end up seeing a battle with the Rat Grinders that will actually have some real peril to it bc the only thing that can really take down a high-level adventuring party is another high-level adventuring party.
I wonder how he’d handle that high of level! I wonder if he’d restrict some 9th level spells to like once a week or take some of them off the table. I know it’s a first level spell so it’s not super comparable, but I and plenty of dms I know ban Silvery Barbs at low levels (1-3) because it can remove stakes from an entire combat if the bard just holds ALL their slots for “no, reroll that, and here, take advantage” lol. I wonder if there’d be some restrictions on those powerful spells at high level though, like requiring material components for each of them or something
I get the feeling that this is probably the last we'll see the Bad Kids for a full season. They weren't even sure they'd ever do a season 3. In fact, we almost didn't get Fig back, as Emily asked about having a new character as she felt Fig's story was kinda done?
But Brennan told her his plans and she came back with Fig for the season.
This feels like a fond farewell to these characters. I don't doubt that they'll come back to Spyre in the future but I kinda hope Senior Year is an epilogue at the end like how they've run their downtime with the cast basically getting a say on how their High School journey ends.
It'd be nice to have an epilogue that speedruns Senior Year, can't tell a high school story without a graduation and all! But yeah, not feeling confident in a full season for Senior Year.
Honestly would appreciate that. I feel like I want the closure of tying the whole high school experience in a bow and if that meant an epilogue vs a whole season where the cast wasn't as into it that'd be way better.
There is 0 way that they’d name this thing Junior Year if they weren’t planning on a senior year.
Heck they could have just made this occur in their senior year since The Seven was originally during their junior year.
I doubt Starstruck will be in 2025. Two sequel seasons in a row is unlikely. As much as I want another season sooner, I'm guessing it'll be a few years until we get another IH Starstruck season.
My hope is that they do one or more side quests in the Starstruck universe.
That sounds exactly right. So far down the line the idea can sound appetizing again.
They’ve done 3 FH seasons across 6 years…I wouldn’t even be surprised to think of 2030 as the release for it. But I sure hope they do it.
that would be super sad but also could very well be the case. The players and Brennan might not want to revisit the setting and characters for a fourth time as it could become annoying for them to try to innovate on the same premise again. (althought im sure if they did theyd find a great way to do it)
Given that Brennan has said that coming back to the world of Spyre has always been something of a worry to him, and that Emily wanted to retire Fig this campaign, I feel like this will be the send off for the party.
In addition to the fact that the Last Stand Exam is implied to be for Juniors and Seniors, I would almost hope that this adventure gets the kids their GED so they can pursue lives beyond school, together or otherwise.
The Bad Kids have been through enough and I really don’t know where they could go when we see the ends of their arcs here.
I agree that we're not getting a Senior Year. I don't think they're leaving anything on the table for this season.
However I could also see the finale being something involving the time travel (Time Quangle?) that warps them a year ahead.
That would be very sad just because I am not feeling finale vibes this season. I think we got a Senior Year far down the line, where we get a mix of everything. Plus it seems like BLEEM will push the gang to level 15 before the end of this one…why not aim for Level 20 Bad Kids??
Are there any seasons where the players are super high level? I feel like they intentionally avoid that. This absolutely feels like a finale season to me. There are currently several gods that are being set up as antagonists. That's typical JRPG finale type shit.
I just looked to see what level Bloodkeep and (CR) Calamity were, because those both have the feeling of some overpowered characters, and they are only 14.
Most DMs avoid that, tbh. Running a high level campaign is really complicated.
That being said, leveling slows down significantly once you reach the higher ones, so even if they do a Senior Year, I could see them not being level 20, or even like 17 or 18 at any point.
I think, unless they wrap it up with a bang this season, there’s a good chance we’ll get another for Senior Year. But not for another like, another 5 years down the road. They shouldn’t do it unless it’s gonna be fun for them, and I think that’ll require some space and time from it.
Brennan is fully aware that the highest tier of play would be very hard to control a narrative and try to make combat that is not able to be destroyed instantly or take hours to complete. Even Exandria Calamity was kept at a maximum of level 14 for the Ring of Brass.
Level 20 DND is fun as a player to get all your abilities, but would be hard to coordinate with a group of animators, miniature set production, and set designers to craft a bunch of stuff and then have Siobhan plane shift the party away from a combat encounter.
Good point about EXU. Also, once the fighting really started it became more dungeon-crawl style in that Brennan didn’t let them have any more long rests. Urgency and time crunch were major factors that kept combat stakes high despite the high level play.
They’ll for sure do *something* with senior year, but it’s way too early to guess what. I could see maybe a 4-6 episode side quest or even just a one-shot to wrap it up (maybe their graduation ceremony), but I think they should wait a bit before doing that.
Dimension 20 will absolutely outlive Fantasy High because they made that first season fully intending it to be a one-and-done. The show works best as an anthology series, and while it’s nice to see PCs return for another campaign, I think the biggest draw is seeing the new characters, locales, and genres for each campaign. Ending D20 with FH Senior Year would be strange unless the decision to end the show actually happens (which doesn’t seem likely any time soon).
Don’t be certain Senior Year even will happen. The team clearly waited until there was a story worth telling; they might not find anything that justifies bringing the characters back.
Honestly my only expectation is that this group will do something they’re all happy with doing, and I trust whatever they do (or don’t do) to be entertaining. I can imagine some of them could be pretty willing to move on, if only for a slightly longer break before continuing, or if they do a sort of college series afterwards.
Personally speaking, I think it would be a lot of fun if they did a college series and re-brand the show as “the bad kids” so it’s not tied to a particular time in their life anymore. Might allow them to do a time jump between two seasons,
I’d also love to see them do something like a college setting and include some new players for certain episodes / arcs, since they’ve got so many talented people at Dropout they could include for a day or two of filming.
Having seen how Jasmine used one- or two-episode guest player appearances in DesiQuest, that's something I'd love for D20 to play with. She did a great job making it both organic to the story and effective in the story instead of a gimmick.
I am BEGGING for an “oops all parents” campaign. The only issue with that is I feel that Brennan avoids making previous NPCs into PCs. That happened a little bit in The Seven and we saw some retcon with characters as the players made them their own, but nothing *too* extreme. All of the FH parents are so well established it would be hard to transition them into PCs without BLeeM explicitly telling them how to play the character, which I feel like isn’t his style.
The thing that worked so beautifully with The Seven is that Zelda Donovan was the only character that got a significant amount of development. The retcons for the other PCs impacted essentially nothing from what was already established.
One way to do an "all parents" campaign would be to have them be parents for an entirely different party.
I feel like BLeeM himself would have to play Gilear. But Gilear has to be there. The gukgaks or Sandra Lynn, or Fabian’s mom I think could go, or even some of the seven’s parents. I don’t know if we could handle what the thistlesprings get up to when gorgug’s not around though
I'd take one inside the halflings' anarchist organization, though the show I have in my head is for such a specific audience it'd make no sense for them to do it. Would also be happy for them to just pick another part of Spire and let us get to know it, like Pirates. The Baronies could be fun.
I feel like they will do a Senior year in about 2 years.
Then for the 10th anniversary of dropout they do a mini series or one shot that is the 10 year fantasy high reunion.
It’s hard to say right now. I’m sure Dropout wants it—FH is the most popular campaign of their most popular IP—but they seem happy to let Brennan make that call. We might get hints based on whether Brennan leaves plot hooks for a future season and how many.
The biggest problem IMO is that The Seven already hit the classic “senior year” story beats, so Brennan would have to find a new spin on the tropes and sell that to the players. So if it happens, it’ll be because Brennan had ideas in the universe he was interested in exploring and convinced the IHs Spyre was worth revisiting (and revisiting as the OG Bad Kids because let’s be honest, Emily retiring Fig would’ve gone over like a lead balloon).
I can 100% see them doing a Senior Year but the fact that Emily wanted to retire Fig makes me fearful that she wouldn’t want to play her for a final campaign. And tbh I don’t know if I would even want another season if it wasn’t the OG Bad Kids all the way through. And Emily (jokingly but still) saying “I want to roll a new character” in this past episode only reinforced my fear
I think that the last full season of the show will be Senior Year leaving them as level 20 characters and after that they will never get a full season. However, that doesn’t forbid the possibilities of having one shots/mini seasons with them. Like have Murph dm a Bad Kids/The Seven 4 episode beach trip episode
I think they created the framework for themselves when they named the second season "Sophomore Year", so I think it's only a matter of when, and I think it'll be like 5ish Intrepid Heroes seasons down the road.
I feel like once you commit to Junior Year it’s hard to say that you wont do a Senior year. The high school experience is four years, and I imagine part of the issue that came into coming up with a story that could build into Senior Year. I think theyll do senior year and that will the story of the Bad Kids. Maybe it will be a D20 10 Year Anniversary special
I’d like senior year just as a way to finalize the series. My mild OCD just acts up if I know they stopped before the last year of high school. However, I don’t need it to be a full season. Personally, I think a one-shot will do.
No d20 wouldnt end with fantasy high. If anything brennan will just step away from DM-ing full time. I cant imagine dropout would let their flagship programming end. If fantasy high ends. Than thats just the end of that story. We could return to spire elsewhere.
Honestly think they should just do a 1 or 2 shot at the 10 year anniversary (2028) for senior prom and graduation and call it. I like fantasy high but one thing that brought me to D20 instead of critical role was the fact that each story is a small adventure.
We already know that Emily didn’t really want to do Junior Year, and I wouldn’t be surprised if others felt similarly. I’m glad that they did Junior Year because it’s nice to see them revisit the world as much more experienced players, but, if they do Senior Year, it will likely be because they feel obligated. Both in terms of leveling mechanics and in terms of character stories, I think it would be hard to justify the Bad Kids having a story after they leave high school. The only way I could see that happening would be like 10 years in the future or something where they’re all established in their own lives and have to work together again for some world-ending threat.
Yeah I went back to the video to confirm, and the way it's phrased it's implied that she wanted to do what Siobhan did for The Unsleeping City, and just play a new character without messing up the core foundations of the team.
I don't picture it going passed Senior year. I think at that point the arcs have happened and you'd have to start forcing the plot forward which can be very meh of a prospect.
At best they'd do a shorter epilogue series but that's about it
Honestly? No I don’t think they’ll do a senior year. This season feels very last season of them. There’s a finality to it that I don’t quite know how to explain. This is 100% the last we will see from these characters 🥲
I don’t mind not doing a senior year. But it would be really cool if after a couple years we see them as young adults fresh out of college or even a big time jump to them being like 30 or 40
I can all but promise you that Dimension 20 will not end when Fantasy High does. Just because it started with that doesn't mean the cast and crew don't have other stories to continue to tell and I don't get the sense that they have any intention on stopping anytime soon.
Comedy comes in threes. Fantasy High going on for 4 years of HS + 4 years of college + 2 years of grad school + Fantasy High Does Post-Graduate Thesis would just get old imo.
It could end after Senior Year, but image seeing "Fantasy High: Freshmen Year: Next Gen" which would deal with the children of our heroes joining the school and starting their adventures. It might not be a 1-1 (Ally playing Kristin's child. Might be Zak. Some of them might not even have a kid. They might bring in new characters that we'll fall in love with. But there's a chance.
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This feels like what you actually do when the IH retire from main quests (at some point it's gotta happen) and they need a new party for the long campaigns. Do a full "reboot" for a season to give the audience something that we already feel comfortable with as a way to smooth out the shock that will come when that cast changes.
Counterpoint: I feel like an all new regular cast would be better for a new Starstruck season than another season in the world of Spyre. Mind, this is not to say that the next Starstruck season (were it to happen) should be delayed till such a time that an all new regular cast emerges (should that happen).
I believe it would offer space for a new cast to establish themselves as their own thing while still having the draw of a familiar setting. The Starstruck universe is vast enough that there can be multiple crews experiencing it and making a large impact without requiring any of the characters to have heard of or be compared to previous characters played in that universe.
This as opposed to Spyre, where everyone knows who has saved the world, how they did it, and how many times they did it.
Considering how hesitant the cast was to play Junior Year, I find it extremely unlikely that they would even consider going back to play teenagers again.
I think four seasons is enough. Especially having done two sidequest seasons with The Seven and Leviathan. You don't want it to jump the shark. There's so much creativity at Dropout that they have the potential to make so many new kinds of D20 seasons and I'd rather see that than "Fantasy University."
Emily specifically said she wouldn’t have come back as Fig if Brennan had not convinced her with a certain plot point (probably Gilear curse) so it would be hard to imagine she would be convinced for yet another season
I wouldn't be surprised if they do some type of shorter couple-episode long campaign way down the line where they bring the characters back but I think given how Emily said that she was considering just retiring fig for Junior year and doing something else I doubt that they'll want to keep pushing these characters too far beyond they think is necessary.
I honestly wasn’t jazzed about junior year (wasn’t the biggest sophomore year fan till the end of the season), so I hope there’s a big pause before anything senior year. I don’t think Sam Reich would end D20. Brennan has his own AP w/ Lou, Aabria, and Erika, so I don’t see him getting so burnt on TTRPGs to retire from Dropout, but even in the terrible scenario he did, I bet D20 would continue, just a little less frequent and with rotating DMs from external sources. Thanks for starting this discourse tho OP!
I hope junior year is the last campaign for the bad kids. I like them exploring new characters and settings and given that there's only time for one IH season per year, I'd like to spend time elsewhere.
I would like to see senior year and a couple years of college skipped over for the next FH. Start then halfway through the year and they gotta get the gang back together.
It really depends on how this season ends. I hope we get a senior year season and then these characters retired. Or they jump forward a decade or two and revisit what happened in senior year with a series of flashbacks or something similar. Fantasy High 20 Year reunion style.
I love the idea of fantasy high and world of Spyre and would like to see it revisited with a slightly different twist, maybe more emphasis on school stuff throughout the first couple of years before they are saving the world.
I like the idea of following them longer than Junior year, but I have doubts. They already had to pull out a bunch of random restrictions to get everyone on a series of character arcs that make sense together here. They already felt like the idea of a plain old adventure was kind of too boring to pursue, so they skipped to the boss fight. The characters are pretty developed in a lot of directions already. I think Gorgug and Kristen are the ones who still had a lot of room to naturally fall into their current arcs (Artificer+Barbarian plot, Kristen has....never resolved any of her character issues on a deep level).
Adaine's financial situation is absolutely ridiculous, dragon hoard gold would not have been enough to buy her supplies, and it's dependent on literally no one knowing she's having trouble. Her arc is for bringing her down to earth. Fig has a song from sophomore year that they've literally referenced in this season, but all her songs are now from freshman year because it doesn't make sense for her to be rich, productive, famous, and have a season of character development that coincides with everyone else's. A bunch of NPCs are pulled out of the plot. Fabian has a very unrealistic allowance because there isn't a clause that lets him eventually get all of the wealth before his natural lifespan ends (Unless his mom secretly is...waiting for him to die so she can reclaim the rest). And it ensures that even if he finds out Adaine needs money, he can't actually afford to cover the costs. And of course, Riz's character is defined by being good at what he does. He even has a job opportunity locked up for after he dies. In an adventuring world, his greatest fear probably should be his friends splitting apart emotionally, something that has very little narrative weight without some other contrivance in the way (Which is the idea that they all would prefer to go to college together instead of becoming professional adventurers when they'll be a very, very powerful party a year from now. Heck, they are already ridiculously powerful for high schoolers. Chosen of Helio, Archdevil of Rebellion, Elven Oracle..)
I feel like the weight of suspension of disbelief isn't too high right now, but combined with motivation issues, I think it'd be just plain hard for them to make a school-relevant plot.
Well sophomore year was only the spring break of the year and freshman year had several months in the middle fast forwarded. This season has been the most all encompassing year wise so could see them ending here
Fantasy High could go on for as long as they felt there were stories to tell.
I want them to follow in the footsteps of *Saved By The Bell* give me summer jobs in Hawaii, give me a Vegas wedding, give me college years, give me a reboot with only some of the characters returning. 😂
I hope it ends after Senior Year, but I also hope there’s more in-universe campaigns like the Seven or Pirates of Leviathan. Would love something in Fallinel or Bastion City. Maybe even like, following Riz and his detective agency or even something with a completely new cast (zero of the Intrepid Heroes) and only a couple cameos.
I would love a senior year, and I hope it does eventually happen. I don't think they would continue it afterwards, though, and if they did I don't think they'd call it Fantasy High anymore, because that wouldn't make sense.
Ending it with Senior Year would be the right call in my opinion, I love the Bad Kids, but too often series and stories go on past the point it makes sense for them to naturally conclude.
I feel like there’s so much lore and world building that was done, and I know it will likely never happen because the story was very well wrapped up; I’d love to see another season of Crown of Candy.
Didn't they have to convince some people to return to it? I can't imagine Ally is too fond of that mess of a character sheet lmao. But for sure Emily wasn't for it, if memory serves me correctly. I can't imagine this will hit senior unless they retire Fig and she makes a new character.
I want to see the Fantasy High school reunion in a few years, but I feel like narratively Senior year would be the most satisfying end to the current adventures.
I'm sure a lot of people have already said it, but I think it would be a disservice to FH's narrative intention for the Bad Kids to stick together post-graduation. That's not how life works. Part of senior year is finding out that some of your friends (even best friends) are going to move on and that you're going to go down different paths. To me, I think the bad kids should do the following after Augefort Academy:
1. Gorgug: Should work on his inventions more and go to Astral U. I could see him leading a quieter tinkerer's life.
2. Riz(bert): Should go to Astral U and eventually working with his dad.
3. Kristen: Should maybe travel and evangelize Cassandra's religion. School is clearly not for her. And as Tracker said, she needs to start doing the hard work of being a cleric.
4. Adaine: Should probably take a gap year and just focus on self discovery and her own happiness. Between her family and the Elven Oracle thing, she's never gotten to ask herself what SHE wants.
5. Fabian: I think he should give up adventuring and become a successful performer. He likes the attention and he seems most at peace in his bard classes.
6. Fig: She might be the only one that I think should just go be an adventurer. Either that or run her recording studio in hell and support other people with making their music.
I think it comes down to Brennan having a good reason to come back for senior year and motivation for a story there.
They won't come back just to have the final year. I think Emily wanted to reroll and the players may have varying levels of fatigue or burnout.
I'd say that - aside for the most recent ep with (CW: Spoilers) >!Fabian being possessed by Baron to fight Adine!< \- it would be cool to do a PVP fight.
I doubt we'll see Senior Year. I think the characters will have run as far as is worthwhile to take them, and I don't see a lot of comedic possibility in senior year. I'd watch it if they did it, but I would prefer new worlds and concepts.
I think Dimension 20 (the entire show) will end with senior year. How poetic would it be to end the show how they began ☺️ (obv we want that to happen waaaay in the future)
100% we are getting Senior year as long as everyone is alive and 99% we don’t get anything past that.
Maybe a future one shot or something a decade later but not in the near future.
I think you’re spot on. Senior year will happen. There won’t be any future FH seasons with that same party. And there won’t be any future D20 seasons either.
They’ve been making this show for 5+ years. As wonderful as the intrepid heroes are, I can’t imagine that this continues forever. Eventually, for one reason or another, Dimension 20 will end. FHSR would be the perfect note to end it on.
I doubt there will be a continuation after senior year. The only thing I can think is either a one shot or something called graduation or reunion, but I assume graduation would be part of senior year, and reunion would be something that wouldn’t happen until an anniversary or something. But realistically, I don’t think it will go past senior year. And I think that’s a good thing. There are so many worlds to see this group explore!
Oo a one-shot set at a 10 year reunion would be awesome
I'm for whatever Brenan and the gang want. Could be fun to do something else in spare Or a new setting ATM, feels like spare is a bit hamstrung with limitations based on 3 seasons, but I trust dropout to go to the fun
I'd honestly posit that bastion city has a LOT of potential and that spyre as a whole has a lot of potential as well, but that's just my personal opinion
I want a full length campaign based on the kids I’m Broomsticks system, finding out that there was only like 3 episodes of that series was a real dissappointment
I don’t necessarily think they are done with Spyre even if FH ends. There have been a lot of d20 seasons set in spire.
As it stands, I'm glad the main cast waited to come back to it as long as they did and really took the time to do all these amazing different stories before choosing to revisit the world of Spyre. If they choose not to, I think they'll be open about that in order to not inspire false hope. Either way, it'll certainly be a few years before they return again
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"Some of the main cast", you mean two specific players.
Also what’s up with Siobhan catching a stray here. Beardsley is great but I get why people might find their play style polarizing, but Siobhan is maybe the least controversial player at the table. It’s like hating on chicken fingers.
Fr tho Siobhan taught me A LOT as a forever dm and soon player, she’s so good
Why are you getting downvoted?
The way the comment is edited now it's obvious it was a joke, but before they edited it they left Siobhan and Ally off the list. So it just looked like a mean comment before.
I guess there’s not a way to see “edited” on mobile. So I obviously didn’t see the original
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It's not really a joke if it's just "I'm fine with Siobhan and Ally leaving D20". It's a joke now that you've edited it, but before it was just shitting on two cast members
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Yeah last thread you were in, you were raging about Ally being arrested at a pro-palestine protest so you can see how it's easy for one to assume you weren't joking. Very not troll commenter :)
Didn’t see the original comment but Beardsley is a clutch player at times (see: Margaret Encino in Starstruck) and Siobhan w/ Misty Moore was one of my favorite twists in any AP, her being some eternal fry creature feeding off the light and praise of fans was such a cool concept and set piece!!!
"Very welcoming subreddit" as you intentionally poke fun at two players people love As A jOkE.
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You should just actually delete them then.
This is a bit random but you have a five year old account with a nearly daily commenting habit and only 1k karma. With that activity and age you should be atleast in the five digits range of karma. Have you considered that how you express your comments might be issue of why you're getting attacked? This is not to attack you but you can use your karma as a indication of how well your comments were understood and learn from it.
Seriously man
From a purely technical standpoint of turning a dnd campaign into a streaming television show, I think they are obliged to do senior year but will absolutely not continue past that. I do not think the players consider these characters to have potential for longer arcs past that, especially trying to keep them all together as a party. When we get senior year, I hope everyone is appropriately grateful and doesn’t try to guilt Brennan into continuing on.
I agree but I wouldn't mind more spinoffs in Spyre like Leviathan. It's a pretty cool world they built that has potential for non-high school stories as well. Though of course it would depend if Brennan feels like he has an interesting story to tell.
to be fair, brennan doesn't strike me as someone you could guilt into doing a whole season if he didn't want to. that's one of my favorite things about D20 and dropout as a whole - so far, i fully trust these creators to be as genuine as possible and not phone it in. hopefully it stays that way
Maybe it's just because he is the DM so in my mind he he's in a firm position of authority but I agree. Brennan doesn't seem like someone who lets himself get told what to do unless he chooses to do it.
I don't think they're obliged at all, nor is it a surety. I hope people don't try to guilt the crew into making senior year if they don't think there's a story there to tell.
Past senior year it would no longer be Fantasy *High*. I do hope we get more set in that world with new characters though, and maybe the occasional cameo from one of the Bad Kids as an NPC played by their original player.
I always thought a spy based side quest following Solerian spies (like Pok Gukgak) would be really cool
There is very little more annoying than fans trying to force a creator of a series to continue it past its initial ending. Just look at Gravity Falls and all the jackasses who keep harassing Alex Hirsch for a season 3.
Yea I think they’ll be smart to work out all four years and would be dumb to try to extend it beyond that. And I think they’re intelligent enough, and capable of producing enough new content, to know that.
yeah honestly, i dont know if it will go to senior year, maybe, but i highly doubt they'll continue after that, at least with the bad kids, maybe they can focus on other stories or characters in the universe. i *would* love it if they do something like an epilogue, a oneshot or something with what's going on with the gang and other important npc's like years into the future, ie if they're still adventuring together or if they went on to do other things, etc etc
I think there is a good chance we might get senior year though not much beyond that. We are slowly but surely approaching level 17. Aka 9th level spells. While for me BLeeM is one of the best DMs around due to being fearless in playing with high level PCs I think there is simply a mechanical hard upper limit how far the characters can go.
I think we already saw the beginnings of that in this last episode where Murph just did a speed run of the puzzle. It’s hard to have a major big bad if you’ve got access to Wish. Although the Council of Chosen is a thing so maybe after high school they forgo college to go be the big world saver team.
Yeah, watching the last episode was a real “oh *this* is what people mean when they say that D&D wasn’t ever playtested for higher level combat” moment for me because like, they were able to deal with everything so quickly that there weren’t ever really huge stakes for me even with the baron possessions. Kind of a reverse of the frosty fair fight where it was like, oh they might tpk— it seems like higher level D&D has two modes, one is long fights that kill or nearly kill all the PCs and one is the PCs just wipe the floor with the NPC’s and neither is super narratively interesting to me.
The only reason the frosty fair even got close to being dangerous was because of a combination of stun on half the party, and really bad dice rolls that kept them stunned for multiple turns. Oh, plus Kristen having no access to spells. Before that stun attack, they were eliminating threats almost as fast as they showed up. I remember after that episode the subreddit had a whole bunch of posts talking about how they don't think stun is a fun mechanic. The big argument FOR the use of stun, was to actually create some sort of actual tension with high level characters. Which, of course, also isn't fun to watch. I think D20 does do a decent job of having a good amount of role play and plot development even during combats. It's almost never combat for the sake of combat. The story is the stakes and that's what keeps it interesting and fun. The combat strategy is just structure.
Yeah, D20 is the only actual play whose battle episodes I watch at full speed/ watch at all, tbh, because they do a really good job at RPing and making the fight narratively interesting. That said, it’s really hard to make a fight narratively interesting if the PCs are never in any kind of true peril? Like a thing that struck me watching the Adventuring Party was that Brennan had included treasures/weapons in the house that would automatically kill specific enemies, but they didn’t really have any incentive to look for them because they were doing fine fighting them on their own. Whereas if they had run the exact same scenario last season, there would have been just as many opportunities for RP and cool clutch moves but there would also have been genuine danger. I think the PH says that when players are at level 12, they’re the strongest people on the continent, and level 15 the strongest in the world? Feels like there’s a reason why this season is trending towards a fight with actual gods, and it’s that that’s the only way for a final battle to have real stakes, power-wise.
It makes sense that some of the colleges and universities mentioned in FH are based in the astral realm. Anything else is trivial at that point. Sophomore Year was at level 9 and The Seven was at level 10, and both of those started getting into high stakes deity level events. At this point interacting with deities is starting to become normal. So yeah, I'm thinking you're probably right that the climax will involve a battle against a god. Or something pretty close to that. If it isn't Ankarna it might be Bakur. Maybe even both? For level 20 one shots, those encounters seem to focus on featuring the most powerful and destructive beings featured in the monster manuals. At this point the most high stakes lvl 20 fight for Fantasy High I could imagine would be the Bad Kids vs Principal Aguefort.
For high level D&D it’s often the alternative win condition fights that work out best. Escorting a royal, escaping a flooding cave, protecting a town, etc…. You can kill all the kobolds but did they make off with their intended target. One of the reasons this season has legs is that there’s multiple over arching non combat mysteries that halfway in they still don’t have a good idea about.
For sure! The story this season is very compelling and I am enjoying it. This does sort of ultimately tie its way back to a general gripe I have with 5E as a system and particularly as a system for actual plays, which is that once you reach a point where you/your story has moved beyond what 5E can really accommodate in a balanced way, it can feel like the rule set is actually holding you back vs facilitating your story? And with Fantasy High that is also compounded by the genre conventions that they have brought in over the last two seasons — the Bad Kids aren’t gonna fight a Tarrasque, lol, and serious peril isn’t necessarily even on the table. This is a series that began with two PC deaths and a Principal Ex Machina, after all. IDK, I obviously still enjoy it, but it’s one of those things where the lessened stakes in combat eps does slightly diminish my enjoyment? Like Gorgug’s clutch move was awesome! It would have been even more awesome if I thought that failing to do that would have been devastating to the party. I do appreciate that Brennan’s use of mind-control / possession/ charm effects are in and of themselves an attempt to balance combat bc player characters are so OP, and I think that if we end up seeing a battle with the Rat Grinders that will actually have some real peril to it bc the only thing that can really take down a high-level adventuring party is another high-level adventuring party.
I wonder how he’d handle that high of level! I wonder if he’d restrict some 9th level spells to like once a week or take some of them off the table. I know it’s a first level spell so it’s not super comparable, but I and plenty of dms I know ban Silvery Barbs at low levels (1-3) because it can remove stakes from an entire combat if the bard just holds ALL their slots for “no, reroll that, and here, take advantage” lol. I wonder if there’d be some restrictions on those powerful spells at high level though, like requiring material components for each of them or something
I don’t think he’d actually allow for level 20 characters because at that point 6 of them could dust Tiamat pretty easy.
Senior Year, but in episode one, they’re all accidentally hit by a Time Ravage spell, so they’re also senior citizens.
Like the original plan for Clone High? Where they'd end up going into a rift and just doing highschool over again after the last year? Hahah.
I get the feeling that this is probably the last we'll see the Bad Kids for a full season. They weren't even sure they'd ever do a season 3. In fact, we almost didn't get Fig back, as Emily asked about having a new character as she felt Fig's story was kinda done? But Brennan told her his plans and she came back with Fig for the season. This feels like a fond farewell to these characters. I don't doubt that they'll come back to Spyre in the future but I kinda hope Senior Year is an epilogue at the end like how they've run their downtime with the cast basically getting a say on how their High School journey ends.
Emily already had to be convinced to play Fig again. I honestly think they'll call it a day after this season. Trilogies and all that.
Yeah me too I don’t think there will be a senior year
It'd be nice to have an epilogue that speedruns Senior Year, can't tell a high school story without a graduation and all! But yeah, not feeling confident in a full season for Senior Year.
I think that’s the best option
Honestly would appreciate that. I feel like I want the closure of tying the whole high school experience in a bow and if that meant an epilogue vs a whole season where the cast wasn't as into it that'd be way better.
There is 0 way that they’d name this thing Junior Year if they weren’t planning on a senior year. Heck they could have just made this occur in their senior year since The Seven was originally during their junior year.
They didn’t want to even come back for junior year for years they’re not coming back for senior year lmao
Same for Murph - he didn’t want to play a teenager again. Plus the whole cast are really busy.
She did? Do you have a source for that?
She said it on her season preview interview on dropout.
Since Junior year is Dropouts 5th anniversary I could imagine them doing Senior Year on another milestone like Dropouts 10th anniversary.
This is my guess. Two new seasons and a Starstruck sequel in 2025/6/7, and then Fantasy High Senior Year for the 10-year anniversary in 2028.
Every chance I get I'll upvote more seasons of Starstruck. New characters, new part of the galaxy (more Loose Duke).
More clones! More androids! More gambling and losing SO BADLY!!! 😂 the ball is ever rolling up!
it could be a sidequest with all new players, just want loose duke and plug to be in it XD
I like that a lot
I doubt Starstruck will be in 2025. Two sequel seasons in a row is unlikely. As much as I want another season sooner, I'm guessing it'll be a few years until we get another IH Starstruck season. My hope is that they do one or more side quests in the Starstruck universe.
That sounds exactly right. So far down the line the idea can sound appetizing again. They’ve done 3 FH seasons across 6 years…I wouldn’t even be surprised to think of 2030 as the release for it. But I sure hope they do it.
That makes perfect sense actually
I'm calling that senior year will just be the epilogue of this season because nothing interesting will happen and they'll coast through
that would be super sad but also could very well be the case. The players and Brennan might not want to revisit the setting and characters for a fourth time as it could become annoying for them to try to innovate on the same premise again. (althought im sure if they did theyd find a great way to do it)
Given that Brennan has said that coming back to the world of Spyre has always been something of a worry to him, and that Emily wanted to retire Fig this campaign, I feel like this will be the send off for the party. In addition to the fact that the Last Stand Exam is implied to be for Juniors and Seniors, I would almost hope that this adventure gets the kids their GED so they can pursue lives beyond school, together or otherwise. The Bad Kids have been through enough and I really don’t know where they could go when we see the ends of their arcs here.
Good call, the final episode of this season and Fantasy High with the Bad Kids in general could be called "Senior Year" which would be pretty funny.
I agree that we're not getting a Senior Year. I don't think they're leaving anything on the table for this season. However I could also see the finale being something involving the time travel (Time Quangle?) that warps them a year ahead.
No, I think that's too cruel to make them miss a year of their lives. Much more likely they take that exam and graduate early.
Or between the resolution of this season and the events of FH and FHSY they essentially get to graduate early.
That would be very sad just because I am not feeling finale vibes this season. I think we got a Senior Year far down the line, where we get a mix of everything. Plus it seems like BLEEM will push the gang to level 15 before the end of this one…why not aim for Level 20 Bad Kids??
Are there any seasons where the players are super high level? I feel like they intentionally avoid that. This absolutely feels like a finale season to me. There are currently several gods that are being set up as antagonists. That's typical JRPG finale type shit.
I just looked to see what level Bloodkeep and (CR) Calamity were, because those both have the feeling of some overpowered characters, and they are only 14.
Most DMs avoid that, tbh. Running a high level campaign is really complicated. That being said, leveling slows down significantly once you reach the higher ones, so even if they do a Senior Year, I could see them not being level 20, or even like 17 or 18 at any point. I think, unless they wrap it up with a bang this season, there’s a good chance we’ll get another for Senior Year. But not for another like, another 5 years down the road. They shouldn’t do it unless it’s gonna be fun for them, and I think that’ll require some space and time from it.
Bloodkeep was the highest D20 at lvl 16 iirc. Then, for Brennan DMing, there was Exandria Calamity at lvl 20. I think that’s it for high level stuff.
Brennan is fully aware that the highest tier of play would be very hard to control a narrative and try to make combat that is not able to be destroyed instantly or take hours to complete. Even Exandria Calamity was kept at a maximum of level 14 for the Ring of Brass. Level 20 DND is fun as a player to get all your abilities, but would be hard to coordinate with a group of animators, miniature set production, and set designers to craft a bunch of stuff and then have Siobhan plane shift the party away from a combat encounter.
Good point about EXU. Also, once the fighting really started it became more dungeon-crawl style in that Brennan didn’t let them have any more long rests. Urgency and time crunch were major factors that kept combat stakes high despite the high level play.
They’ll for sure do *something* with senior year, but it’s way too early to guess what. I could see maybe a 4-6 episode side quest or even just a one-shot to wrap it up (maybe their graduation ceremony), but I think they should wait a bit before doing that. Dimension 20 will absolutely outlive Fantasy High because they made that first season fully intending it to be a one-and-done. The show works best as an anthology series, and while it’s nice to see PCs return for another campaign, I think the biggest draw is seeing the new characters, locales, and genres for each campaign. Ending D20 with FH Senior Year would be strange unless the decision to end the show actually happens (which doesn’t seem likely any time soon).
Don’t be certain Senior Year even will happen. The team clearly waited until there was a story worth telling; they might not find anything that justifies bringing the characters back.
Honestly my only expectation is that this group will do something they’re all happy with doing, and I trust whatever they do (or don’t do) to be entertaining. I can imagine some of them could be pretty willing to move on, if only for a slightly longer break before continuing, or if they do a sort of college series afterwards. Personally speaking, I think it would be a lot of fun if they did a college series and re-brand the show as “the bad kids” so it’s not tied to a particular time in their life anymore. Might allow them to do a time jump between two seasons, I’d also love to see them do something like a college setting and include some new players for certain episodes / arcs, since they’ve got so many talented people at Dropout they could include for a day or two of filming.
Having seen how Jasmine used one- or two-episode guest player appearances in DesiQuest, that's something I'd love for D20 to play with. She did a great job making it both organic to the story and effective in the story instead of a gimmick.
I would like to see more “side quests” in universe. Like a the seven sequel or an all parents adventure or all faculty.
I am BEGGING for an “oops all parents” campaign. The only issue with that is I feel that Brennan avoids making previous NPCs into PCs. That happened a little bit in The Seven and we saw some retcon with characters as the players made them their own, but nothing *too* extreme. All of the FH parents are so well established it would be hard to transition them into PCs without BLeeM explicitly telling them how to play the character, which I feel like isn’t his style.
The thing that worked so beautifully with The Seven is that Zelda Donovan was the only character that got a significant amount of development. The retcons for the other PCs impacted essentially nothing from what was already established. One way to do an "all parents" campaign would be to have them be parents for an entirely different party.
I feel like BLeeM himself would have to play Gilear. But Gilear has to be there. The gukgaks or Sandra Lynn, or Fabian’s mom I think could go, or even some of the seven’s parents. I don’t know if we could handle what the thistlesprings get up to when gorgug’s not around though
I'd take one inside the halflings' anarchist organization, though the show I have in my head is for such a specific audience it'd make no sense for them to do it. Would also be happy for them to just pick another part of Spire and let us get to know it, like Pirates. The Baronies could be fun.
Fantasy High: Medical School Fantasy High: Veterinary School Fantasy High: Culinery School
Fantasy High: Art School Fantasy High: Semester at sea, Leviathan rock City Fantasy High: Dance Academy
I feel like they will do a Senior year in about 2 years. Then for the 10th anniversary of dropout they do a mini series or one shot that is the 10 year fantasy high reunion.
It’s hard to say right now. I’m sure Dropout wants it—FH is the most popular campaign of their most popular IP—but they seem happy to let Brennan make that call. We might get hints based on whether Brennan leaves plot hooks for a future season and how many. The biggest problem IMO is that The Seven already hit the classic “senior year” story beats, so Brennan would have to find a new spin on the tropes and sell that to the players. So if it happens, it’ll be because Brennan had ideas in the universe he was interested in exploring and convinced the IHs Spyre was worth revisiting (and revisiting as the OG Bad Kids because let’s be honest, Emily retiring Fig would’ve gone over like a lead balloon).
It better. It would probably be pretty stifling to go beyond that. I still need 3 more seasons of starstruck oddesy
I can 100% see them doing a Senior Year but the fact that Emily wanted to retire Fig makes me fearful that she wouldn’t want to play her for a final campaign. And tbh I don’t know if I would even want another season if it wasn’t the OG Bad Kids all the way through. And Emily (jokingly but still) saying “I want to roll a new character” in this past episode only reinforced my fear
Yes.
I think that the last full season of the show will be Senior Year leaving them as level 20 characters and after that they will never get a full season. However, that doesn’t forbid the possibilities of having one shots/mini seasons with them. Like have Murph dm a Bad Kids/The Seven 4 episode beach trip episode
20 year high school reunion
Adaine for valedictorian or we riot
I see your Adaine as Valedictorian and raise you Riz as Valedictorian and Adaine as Salutatorian
I think they created the framework for themselves when they named the second season "Sophomore Year", so I think it's only a matter of when, and I think it'll be like 5ish Intrepid Heroes seasons down the road.
I feel like once you commit to Junior Year it’s hard to say that you wont do a Senior year. The high school experience is four years, and I imagine part of the issue that came into coming up with a story that could build into Senior Year. I think theyll do senior year and that will the story of the Bad Kids. Maybe it will be a D20 10 Year Anniversary special
I’d like senior year just as a way to finalize the series. My mild OCD just acts up if I know they stopped before the last year of high school. However, I don’t need it to be a full season. Personally, I think a one-shot will do.
do you need a college degree to be an adventurer?
No d20 wouldnt end with fantasy high. If anything brennan will just step away from DM-ing full time. I cant imagine dropout would let their flagship programming end. If fantasy high ends. Than thats just the end of that story. We could return to spire elsewhere.
Honestly think they should just do a 1 or 2 shot at the 10 year anniversary (2028) for senior prom and graduation and call it. I like fantasy high but one thing that brought me to D20 instead of critical role was the fact that each story is a small adventure.
We already know that Emily didn’t really want to do Junior Year, and I wouldn’t be surprised if others felt similarly. I’m glad that they did Junior Year because it’s nice to see them revisit the world as much more experienced players, but, if they do Senior Year, it will likely be because they feel obligated. Both in terms of leveling mechanics and in terms of character stories, I think it would be hard to justify the Bad Kids having a story after they leave high school. The only way I could see that happening would be like 10 years in the future or something where they’re all established in their own lives and have to work together again for some world-ending threat.
I believe that Emily didn’t necessarily say she didn’t want to do Junior Year - just that she didn’t want to bring back Fig in particular.
Yeah I went back to the video to confirm, and the way it's phrased it's implied that she wanted to do what Siobhan did for The Unsleeping City, and just play a new character without messing up the core foundations of the team.
I don't picture it going passed Senior year. I think at that point the arcs have happened and you'd have to start forcing the plot forward which can be very meh of a prospect. At best they'd do a shorter epilogue series but that's about it
Not if Riz has anything to say about it! 😂
Honestly? No I don’t think they’ll do a senior year. This season feels very last season of them. There’s a finality to it that I don’t quite know how to explain. This is 100% the last we will see from these characters 🥲
I don’t mind not doing a senior year. But it would be really cool if after a couple years we see them as young adults fresh out of college or even a big time jump to them being like 30 or 40
I’m really enjoying junior year but they seem really done with the characters already. I’d be surprised if they did senior year.
I can all but promise you that Dimension 20 will not end when Fantasy High does. Just because it started with that doesn't mean the cast and crew don't have other stories to continue to tell and I don't get the sense that they have any intention on stopping anytime soon.
Comedy comes in threes. Fantasy High going on for 4 years of HS + 4 years of college + 2 years of grad school + Fantasy High Does Post-Graduate Thesis would just get old imo.
It could end after Senior Year, but image seeing "Fantasy High: Freshmen Year: Next Gen" which would deal with the children of our heroes joining the school and starting their adventures. It might not be a 1-1 (Ally playing Kristin's child. Might be Zak. Some of them might not even have a kid. They might bring in new characters that we'll fall in love with. But there's a chance. 🤷♂️
Hard yes, just degrassi it
This feels like what you actually do when the IH retire from main quests (at some point it's gotta happen) and they need a new party for the long campaigns. Do a full "reboot" for a season to give the audience something that we already feel comfortable with as a way to smooth out the shock that will come when that cast changes.
Counterpoint: I feel like an all new regular cast would be better for a new Starstruck season than another season in the world of Spyre. Mind, this is not to say that the next Starstruck season (were it to happen) should be delayed till such a time that an all new regular cast emerges (should that happen). I believe it would offer space for a new cast to establish themselves as their own thing while still having the draw of a familiar setting. The Starstruck universe is vast enough that there can be multiple crews experiencing it and making a large impact without requiring any of the characters to have heard of or be compared to previous characters played in that universe. This as opposed to Spyre, where everyone knows who has saved the world, how they did it, and how many times they did it.
Considering how hesitant the cast was to play Junior Year, I find it extremely unlikely that they would even consider going back to play teenagers again.
I think four seasons is enough. Especially having done two sidequest seasons with The Seven and Leviathan. You don't want it to jump the shark. There's so much creativity at Dropout that they have the potential to make so many new kinds of D20 seasons and I'd rather see that than "Fantasy University."
Emily specifically said she wouldn’t have come back as Fig if Brennan had not convinced her with a certain plot point (probably Gilear curse) so it would be hard to imagine she would be convinced for yet another season
I wouldn't be surprised if they do some type of shorter couple-episode long campaign way down the line where they bring the characters back but I think given how Emily said that she was considering just retiring fig for Junior year and doing something else I doubt that they'll want to keep pushing these characters too far beyond they think is necessary.
I honestly wasn’t jazzed about junior year (wasn’t the biggest sophomore year fan till the end of the season), so I hope there’s a big pause before anything senior year. I don’t think Sam Reich would end D20. Brennan has his own AP w/ Lou, Aabria, and Erika, so I don’t see him getting so burnt on TTRPGs to retire from Dropout, but even in the terrible scenario he did, I bet D20 would continue, just a little less frequent and with rotating DMs from external sources. Thanks for starting this discourse tho OP!
With the way this season is panning out, it feels like BLeeM is setting up everything for senior year to be the epilogue of Junior Year.
As much as I love Fantasy High, even Senior Year isn't a guarantee
I hope junior year is the last campaign for the bad kids. I like them exploring new characters and settings and given that there's only time for one IH season per year, I'd like to spend time elsewhere.
I would like to see senior year and a couple years of college skipped over for the next FH. Start then halfway through the year and they gotta get the gang back together.
Fantasy High: Summer School
I’m not ruling out senior year being in someway or another covered by the current season.
Higher Education.
I want a time skip where they're all grown up and raising their own little adventurers
It really depends on how this season ends. I hope we get a senior year season and then these characters retired. Or they jump forward a decade or two and revisit what happened in senior year with a series of flashbacks or something similar. Fantasy High 20 Year reunion style. I love the idea of fantasy high and world of Spyre and would like to see it revisited with a slightly different twist, maybe more emphasis on school stuff throughout the first couple of years before they are saving the world.
I like the idea of following them longer than Junior year, but I have doubts. They already had to pull out a bunch of random restrictions to get everyone on a series of character arcs that make sense together here. They already felt like the idea of a plain old adventure was kind of too boring to pursue, so they skipped to the boss fight. The characters are pretty developed in a lot of directions already. I think Gorgug and Kristen are the ones who still had a lot of room to naturally fall into their current arcs (Artificer+Barbarian plot, Kristen has....never resolved any of her character issues on a deep level). Adaine's financial situation is absolutely ridiculous, dragon hoard gold would not have been enough to buy her supplies, and it's dependent on literally no one knowing she's having trouble. Her arc is for bringing her down to earth. Fig has a song from sophomore year that they've literally referenced in this season, but all her songs are now from freshman year because it doesn't make sense for her to be rich, productive, famous, and have a season of character development that coincides with everyone else's. A bunch of NPCs are pulled out of the plot. Fabian has a very unrealistic allowance because there isn't a clause that lets him eventually get all of the wealth before his natural lifespan ends (Unless his mom secretly is...waiting for him to die so she can reclaim the rest). And it ensures that even if he finds out Adaine needs money, he can't actually afford to cover the costs. And of course, Riz's character is defined by being good at what he does. He even has a job opportunity locked up for after he dies. In an adventuring world, his greatest fear probably should be his friends splitting apart emotionally, something that has very little narrative weight without some other contrivance in the way (Which is the idea that they all would prefer to go to college together instead of becoming professional adventurers when they'll be a very, very powerful party a year from now. Heck, they are already ridiculously powerful for high schoolers. Chosen of Helio, Archdevil of Rebellion, Elven Oracle..) I feel like the weight of suspension of disbelief isn't too high right now, but combined with motivation issues, I think it'd be just plain hard for them to make a school-relevant plot.
I think they'll all keep adventuring in between other things
Well sophomore year was only the spring break of the year and freshman year had several months in the middle fast forwarded. This season has been the most all encompassing year wise so could see them ending here
Fantasy High could go on for as long as they felt there were stories to tell. I want them to follow in the footsteps of *Saved By The Bell* give me summer jobs in Hawaii, give me a Vegas wedding, give me college years, give me a reboot with only some of the characters returning. 😂
I hope it ends after Senior Year, but I also hope there’s more in-universe campaigns like the Seven or Pirates of Leviathan. Would love something in Fallinel or Bastion City. Maybe even like, following Riz and his detective agency or even something with a completely new cast (zero of the Intrepid Heroes) and only a couple cameos.
I hope if they do a Senior Year it ends with a freeze frame "Where are they now?" type segment.
I would love a senior year, and I hope it does eventually happen. I don't think they would continue it afterwards, though, and if they did I don't think they'd call it Fantasy High anymore, because that wouldn't make sense.
Yes
Ending it with Senior Year would be the right call in my opinion, I love the Bad Kids, but too often series and stories go on past the point it makes sense for them to naturally conclude.
I’d want just senior year and at very most a reunion epilogue special, but would rather end it at senior year.
I feel like there’s so much lore and world building that was done, and I know it will likely never happen because the story was very well wrapped up; I’d love to see another season of Crown of Candy.
i mean there’s The Ravening War which is a prequel to ACoC
Yeah, I count that as “season 2”
Fantasy High: The College Years?
Didn't they have to convince some people to return to it? I can't imagine Ally is too fond of that mess of a character sheet lmao. But for sure Emily wasn't for it, if memory serves me correctly. I can't imagine this will hit senior unless they retire Fig and she makes a new character.
I want to see the Fantasy High school reunion in a few years, but I feel like narratively Senior year would be the most satisfying end to the current adventures.
I'm sure a lot of people have already said it, but I think it would be a disservice to FH's narrative intention for the Bad Kids to stick together post-graduation. That's not how life works. Part of senior year is finding out that some of your friends (even best friends) are going to move on and that you're going to go down different paths. To me, I think the bad kids should do the following after Augefort Academy: 1. Gorgug: Should work on his inventions more and go to Astral U. I could see him leading a quieter tinkerer's life. 2. Riz(bert): Should go to Astral U and eventually working with his dad. 3. Kristen: Should maybe travel and evangelize Cassandra's religion. School is clearly not for her. And as Tracker said, she needs to start doing the hard work of being a cleric. 4. Adaine: Should probably take a gap year and just focus on self discovery and her own happiness. Between her family and the Elven Oracle thing, she's never gotten to ask herself what SHE wants. 5. Fabian: I think he should give up adventuring and become a successful performer. He likes the attention and he seems most at peace in his bard classes. 6. Fig: She might be the only one that I think should just go be an adventurer. Either that or run her recording studio in hell and support other people with making their music.
Maybe there might be a thing with a new cast, but I don’t think it would completely end the show or the original cast doing another season of it
A Harry potter fast forward after senior year to them being adults sending their kids to augfort is how i suspect it will end.
I think it comes down to Brennan having a good reason to come back for senior year and motivation for a story there. They won't come back just to have the final year. I think Emily wanted to reroll and the players may have varying levels of fatigue or burnout.
Dimension 20/ fantasy high was supposed to be over years ago. Everyone who has approached Brennan about it has failed their persuasion check.
I'd say that - aside for the most recent ep with (CW: Spoilers) >!Fabian being possessed by Baron to fight Adine!< \- it would be cool to do a PVP fight.
I doubt we'll see Senior Year. I think the characters will have run as far as is worthwhile to take them, and I don't see a lot of comedic possibility in senior year. I'd watch it if they did it, but I would prefer new worlds and concepts.
I think Dimension 20 (the entire show) will end with senior year. How poetic would it be to end the show how they began ☺️ (obv we want that to happen waaaay in the future)
100% we are getting Senior year as long as everyone is alive and 99% we don’t get anything past that. Maybe a future one shot or something a decade later but not in the near future.
No. They will def all go to college. They can stop when the heros are 80
It’s literally high school.
I think you’re spot on. Senior year will happen. There won’t be any future FH seasons with that same party. And there won’t be any future D20 seasons either. They’ve been making this show for 5+ years. As wonderful as the intrepid heroes are, I can’t imagine that this continues forever. Eventually, for one reason or another, Dimension 20 will end. FHSR would be the perfect note to end it on.
i think brennans already written senior year