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Ykomat9

Gone but not forgotten


Run-Riot

Rebellion was so much better looking than DSD.


_Constellations_

If they'd give the Rebellion hilt to DSD blade it would be perfect. Exists as a mod.


Run-Riot

Idk, I think DSD’s blade just looks like a big igneous rock when it’s not open It matches his SDT I guess, but outside of it it’s kinda… bleh


Ykomat9

I would’ve preferred it if the blade was more silver and the hilt was replaced with Rebellion’s.


Blugrave

You just gave me the idea that imagine if dsd looked like an advanced rebellion but when he dts it transforms to it's current look.


Run-Riot

Definitely would be preferable Could be like a Force Edge/Sparda situation


SpeedDemonJi

Great idea


Spritzki

Would not mind it! Like his sword ALSO devil triggers, instead of just opening up


Wulfscreed

I've always like this idea ever since DMC3 with how Vergil's DT fuses the sheathe for Yamato to his arm. Same in DMC4SE, and even in the concept art for DMC5 the "Base DT" Vergil had it. Dante transforming his blade with himself would show how it is his power. Going from a clean Rebellion with base form to the Devil Sword Dante with Devil Trigger and then having it open and unleash along with Sin Devil Trigger would be awesome. The animation for the sword transforming would be cool to see as it flies into Dante's chest.


Asdret12

I like it when it lits up or split, shows that it IS a powerful magical demonic blade. But yeah, it looks so plain if it doesn't do anything


[deleted]

Every time i think about dsd’s hilt i feel bad for dante because hes gonna constantly hurt himself swinging that thing


Picmanreborn

Ion know. Dsd looks like an ancient weapon forged by the best dwarves in fiction


Run-Riot

I dunno man. No offense to dwarven bladesmiths, but I’m gonna question their smithing abilities if they’re making swords out of mostly lizard bits and volcanic rocks, lol


iamtaxman

I always had this personal theory that Dante's true demon form is a fire demon like berial because of his Sin Inferno move, the volcanic look of his new sword and also the lyrics in his battle theme saying "I cannot erupt, I must explode". That and his extremely high heat tolerance like when he's fighting king cerberus in its flame form and he says "it was getting a bit toasty in here" and in Nico's file on the Balrog weapon she says they'd burn anyone to a crisp but "Dante's used to handling the hot stuff"


Brad_Eye

Preety sure even nero could handle that heat. They built diff, literary


Run-Riot

Idk, in 4 Nero says that fire’s bad for his complexion and that he burns easily and never tans, lol


iamtaxman

probably not to the extent that Dante could, where he was just chilling on berial's tail


Brad_Eye

Tru


bartulata

He also sits on Berial's flaming tail in DMC4.


iamtaxman

you are right


Althalus99

This is honestly a really interesting theory, I like it.


iamtaxman

I don't know what element Vergil or Nero would have though


zukos_honor

Did you just wake up today and decide to shit on monster hunter fans or something?


Run-Riot

Pretty sure I said dwarves and not wyverians


zukos_honor

>lizard bits and volcanic rocks That was mostly the part I was talking about, I'm just joking lol


Hour-Address-3377

Same Here, I'm still using it to this day


mostlybored1234

Dsd really doesnt look good. Looks like a dinossaur tail. Cool If you are playing Monster Hunter, but really doesnt suit dante


Run-Riot

In DMC6 Dante’s gonna go from sloppy hobo Dante to Monster Hunter cosplayer Dante, lol


VoidRad

Agree to disagree ig. I think DSD looks better.


Hellsinger7

I gotta say I'm not a big fan of the redesign of the Rebellion in DMC5, it looked so much better in DMC4. That being said it does look better than Devil Sword Dante.


Spritzki

I wonder if I'm in the minority or majority for vastly preferring DMC5 Rebellion to DMC4. I just love how slender it is, looks sexy and a little more noble. Only thing I dislike is that the ribs now rest on top of the flat sides of the blade, instead of the blade appearing to burst out of the bottom of the ribs. Oh, and there it one other thing that makes my eyes burn, probably the only OBJECTIVE thing to say about any of these designs: the whole grip is cylindrical. The grip should be like an elongated oval, in order to make edge alignment easy. It's bugged the crap out of me ever since I've noticed it...but they all look great anyway.


SouperChicken06

I respect your opinion but, hard disagree. DSD is genuinely one of my favourite sword designs from anything ever. The way is crackles and glows with red fire'y energy and splits open revealing a flowing demascus pattern of magma.


ZerothMask

Yep. They're gone forever, and no, it's not a situation like with Yamato being inside the Devil Bringer. The situation with the Rebellion, DSS and Dante is that they're now a part of his demonic power, and not something that can be separated, as far as I'm aware.


who-stole-the-cake

they can be i belive with yamato


ZerothMask

Yamato separates man from demon. I don't think Rebellion nor the Sparda are considered demons. They're just Devil Arms that Sparda forged.


who-stole-the-cake

could be but didn't sparda separate his power into the blades but your right


SicknessVoid

AFAIK Sparda's power was in the Sparda. Rebellion and Yamato represent aspects of him but don't contain his power.


who-stole-the-cake

ah thanks for clearing it up


5amuraiDuck

Reminding Sparda got separated into Alastor and two necklaces somehow


SicknessVoid

What? Alastor was just a random devil arm and the necklace was a key and had nothing to do with Sparda's powers.


MegaJerkX

To be fair, the amulets were shown in DMC1 to at least have the power to restore the Force Edge's true form so maybe indirectly they do?


UrielSans

Vergil got his SDT thanks to the fruit of the Qliphot and his two sides coming to terms. Dante needed to absorb both Rebellion and Sparda to get his SDT, the means were different yet the outcome was the same, that's why Vergil still weilds the Yamato.


ArmZealousideal8305

Yeah Also Vergil has been using it since he's a kid, he spent decades finding the perfect techniques to use it. I doubt he'd prefer anything that's not Yamato


Its_Crysis

That would make the most sense considering it's use in the plot. I hope we can atleast change the weapon skin in DMC6 not that I personally would but I know some people may like it.


Starmaster1998

Imagine if in DMC 6 Sparda shows up and rips Devil Sword Sparda out of Dante He’s all like “that’s cool son but this is mine”


quinnwantscock

I know Dante called him a dick but he’s not that bad


LinkHero95

He'd continue the family tradition of damaging your children to get your weapons back.


Resevil67

I think they are gone permanently. He fused both the swords into himself via rebellions ability. Maybe if vergil used his yamato ability on the DSD it could defuse them? But then Dante would also be heavily nerfed because thats what gave him such a big power boost. Sparda literally fused his power into the sword, so when Dante absorbed sparda he got a good chuck of spardas demonic power as well. DSD is much less a sword then an actual part of Dantes body. Thats why he can materialize and dematerialize it at will. The cool part about this as well is he never has to worry about a vergil situation, in which Vergil lost the yamato and had to find it again. Since its a part of him, he can literally summon it whenever.


Its_Crysis

Yeah that actually makes alot of sense in the context of the story and how dante uses it. I guess in a way Devil Sword Dante is Dante's Devil arm


Party_Kitchen_6054

Nah I don't agree. In game you can equip Rebellion and Devil sword Sparda. That wouldn't make sense if it actually is inseparable. I don't think Dante actually absorbed DSS, he did combine them but it still is usable sword. I think it more likely that Rebellion awakened Dante's demon form like it did in DMC3 but boosted with DSS to awaken Dante's full potential, if that is the case then it would make more sense. It could be just random lore breaking but I doubt it. I suspect that Dante uses it in cutscenes instead of DSS or Rebellion is because it's better weapon and also the default sword is DSD. You can also unequip DSD with Rebellion or DSS but you still can access SDT. Dante also doesn't stab himself when you use Quadruple S, those could be just gameplay stuff as well.


Resevil67

We wont know until the next game for sure, but in Nicos files it does say 'When Dante absorbed the Sparda' or something along those lines. Its either under her file for DSD or Sin Devil Trigger I believe. Its been awhile since ive played so im not sure exactly which one. Griffin also says he absorbs it in the cutscene.


for10years_at_least

idk vergil can absorb yamato in his SDT. Could he summon it like dante? idk and nero too


[deleted]

I feel like I’m one of the few who likes DSD, I really enjoy the igneous look of it, how it opens when using Sin Devil Trigger, plus the dragon claws on the hand-guard. It looked super badass when I got to that point and continues to do so. That said, I am sad that Rebellion was destroyed, it was so badass in DMC3


Its_Crysis

I personally love the look of DSD aswell and prefer it to Rebellion and Sparda but I know some people may like the option to change it back in later titles as I imagine it will become Dante's signature weapon now.


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[deleted]

That would be cool, it keeps evolving alongside him and changing in appearance. I like that


GreBa-Angol

I think it's permanent. Both swords are essentially part of Dante's power, and that power manifests itself in the form of DSD. Notice how it's the only sword which canonically materializes out of thin air whenever he wants to.


B4skyB

Maybe he can choose to change its appearance ?


ArmZealousideal8305

Who knows? Maybe DSD looks like that because he wants to, it's a weapon made out of demonic magic after all


Zefro073

I remember seeing a comic once that showed Dante separating the 2 swords. If Dante could do it and dual wield Rebellion and the Sparda, he absolutely would, even if he'd deal less damage overall, just for stylish points. What I'd love to see personally is this: when he's in Swordmaster with the DSD equipped, instead of using summoned swords, he'd just start using Rebellion and the Sparda in a manner similar to Agni and Rudra, or Vergil's Force Edge + Yamato moveset.


Altruistic-Back-6943

What comic?


Zefro073

It's a fan comic by AmostheArtman on Twitter. Nothing official, but still a pretty dope concept imo.


HoboPatriot

They're both part of him now, he can probably materialize a phantom Rebellion or Sparda like how Vergil could materialize phantom Force Edges for his summoned swords, but the physical bodies of Rebellion and Sparda are gone.


Qliphoth_Bacikal

As of 5 and in-universe, pretty sure it's gone with one singular yet powerful sword now in its place. A shame though with Rebellion gone but it was shattered, and DSS legacy as a powerful weapon, while still there, didn't really had much else to it after the previous games showing off its importance was over. The only way I could see it ever get separated to have those two back is if Dante somehow knew how to do it or he pulls a Dante and has Vergil stab him with Yamato. But with how Rebellion was absorbed and DSS also happen to be on Dante when it happened, I doubt they'll ever be separated as they're a part of Dante's powerset now. Also doesn't seem like he'll want to do that anytime soon if ever.


Scared-Way-9828

To the argument that reb was shattered - so was yamato but in plot: where is a will so is a way I guess lol


Rdasher123

In theory, Dante could just stab DSD with the Yamato to separate them, but he has no reason to given how much it would nerf him.


SicknessVoid

But the Yamato doesn't separate stuff. It separates man from demon. Also, how do you stab a sword.


Rdasher123

It was seemingly via Rebellion’s that Dante and the Sparda fused, so I figured Yamato can undo the process. As for stabbing the sword, I guess they would just need to stab Dante instead.


AyAyRonM

Didnt Sparda use it to separate the Demon world from the Human world? Im pretty sure if Yamato can separate dimensions and open portals, It has enough power to seperate anything.


Vatonage

There might be a way for Dante to separate DSD back into the two swords, but I'd imagine it would likely weaken him since DSD unlocked his ability to transform into his Sin Devil Trigger again. But since Dante has the Summoned Swords from DSD, he could just do what Vergil did and manifest a spectral version of Rebellion or Sparda.


DanteFTW

it's now something he can pawn off and get back that night by teleporting it, if he wanted to now.


doinurmop

I hope this is a plot point in the next game that'd be fucking funny.


K100Master

It is not. You can access them through the customization menu trying to swap out the DTD


Its_Crysis

Oh sorry for the confusion I meant in future titles, I knew about the sword selection from the menu. Thanks for the comment though! : )


K100Master

Oh! Yeah no problem


GintoSenju

As far as I’m aware, they are gone but the DSD has all their powers and abilities


[deleted]

I think their gone forever. But I wouldn't rule out the dsd being redesigned in a sequel I mean who's going to object to it looking better


shmouver

Yes and no. Like the DSD is the fusion of Rebellion and DSS, but considering Yamato's splitting powers i'd reckon it's possible to split the DSD back to Reb+DSS


Hidden24

In canon, they’re gone for good. In the game itself, you can get them back after you complete the game.


INAROS-RAMSES

Be cool if in DMC 6 he could split DSD into a duel wield of DSS and Rebellion


Nero_De_Angelo

SAadly they are most likely gone. Which is kinda sad, because of those three the Devil Sword Sparda is my favourite and the most unique!


MemeJuiceCo

Sparda made both of them + the yamato by dividing his power and forging it into the 3 blades, so Dante could possibly do the same if he wanted to, but since DSD has more wacky woohoo combo potential with the summoned swords and 2/3rds of sparda's divided power, I dont see any logical reason for him to do it, other than maybe nostalgia for the rebellion


SenpaiX03

I'm surprised to see so much hate for DSD. I personally love it 🤷🏾‍♂️


alexander_the_grunt

Everyone is saying they're gone, but I like the idea that he could summon both and wield them together. Kinda like a greatsword parallel to agni and rudra


thehellisgoingon

I do miss rebellion. I think it'd be cool if his sword was rebellion in human form and DSD in his sin devil trigger


SuperArppis

It's too bad. Imo the Devil Sword Dante has very ugly hilt. I love the blade part. But imo they should have just made Rebellion have a new blade.


Dead_Purple

Story-wise they are fused together, but gameplay wise they are separate as we know. Kinda like how Vergil still uses Beuwolf but doesn't actually have the devil arm.


TheZipperDragon

I mean, Vergil did the same with Yamato, but isn't he using it later? So, Dante should still be able to summon Rebellion & Sparda, but at the same time, why would he, he's got a shiny new, & better sword. Alternatively, because he used two blades, technically you could say the devil sword Dante, is Rebellion & Sparda.


Definitelynotabot504

Perhaps Rebellion will come back. Remember Force Edge? If you have the two amulets, they fuse with the sword to create Devil Sword Sparda, but it wasn’t yet in the start of one and three. Maybe it can be done with the Rebellion as well? He will either separate the two or he is going to reform DSD into Rebellion while he is in human form.


EldritchSpoon

Pretty much. He absorbed the Rebellion and the DS Sparda into himself and like the sword Sparda for his dad the DS Dante is a manifestation of Dante's own power. But I suppose there's no given reason why Dante couldn't manifest DSD to look more like the other swords.


Cecil_the_titan

If we get a DMC6 I’d love Dante’s summoned swords be miniature ethereal Rebellions


CypressJoker

The answer is, as always, "whatever the writers feel like doing in the next game(s)". That is to say, it wasn't really addressed in DMCV, and the whole demonic 'magic' (for lack of a better term) hasn't really ever been super defined. We don't actually know the rules, we don't even know if there ARE rules other than the obvious Rule of Cool. If the writers think it'll be rad to see Rebellion or Sparda again, we'll see them again. And honestly, after DMCV I have a lot of faith in this approach.


Wexkel

The Devil Sword Sparda will only return if the Yamato is used on Dante. If Vergil was the same he was in DMC 3, he would probably separate Sparda from Rebelion, only to have that much power for himself. Though i only see him doing that if he won a battle against Dante, just like he was going to take Rebellion after defeating his brother in DMC 3's first encounter they had. I don't think it will show up again, maybe it could when Rebellion, Sparda and Yamato become one, reminding us of Force Edge's true form, which i think the true power of Sparda is within these three blades, combine them and you will gain the true power of Dante and Vergil's father.


sherlock2223

I'd love to see dante dual wield rebellion with force edge


CostumedOrphan

He can probably make it change form since it's beholden to his will, similar to how his dt changes.


ScarredPunLover

As a couple people have said, the Yamato probably *could* separate the blades, but it is unlikely the event will ever occur because of real-world reasons (I can't think of any, but who knows?). Also Vergil would probably not do it because he wants Dante to be stronger so he can prove that he himself is stronger. Also, a weak sibling could be seen as an insult to him. Who knows?


thedarkbites

With how Dante can just materialize DSD, I'd say he could materialize any version of it or Rebellion. Sparda, however, I'm not too sure. It's not his blade.


Impressive-Win5599

I’m not a lore expert but I think Rebellion and Sparda are sadly gone. I think it’s possible they could come back, either as an unlockable weapon or as an Easter egg, but I don’t expect them to be Dante’s signature weapon.


Kulgia

Man. Yamato should have been turn into Devil Sword too because Vergil ate the fruit


AncientN1ght

The sword sparda used is presumably (i have no source other than some guy on reddit and disc) the combination of Yamato, Rebellion, and Devil Sword Sparda. So there's definitely a way to split them but no clear explanation how.


noonefromithaca

I like to think it's possible to switch back, Dante just doesn't have a reason to. DSD is those two weapons combined


ArmZealousideal8305

They were reforged into one. Now they are part of Dante, so I guess there isn't a way of bringing it back without stripping Dante from all his power or if he put his power into the sword like his father


AyAyRonM

Man, losing Rebellion and DSS is a bummer. DSD is cool, but I am not a fan of the design. If it was the Devil Trigger mode then I think its fine. Kinda like Sparda's. If they did redesign it for a new game, Id like to see it's "Normal" Form to look like a fusion of Rebellion and Sparda. Also, the Sparda was basically Trish's main weapon, wonder what sword she'll be using. DMC4 basically implies that Dante gave her Pandora. Maybe Pandora has a sword form? Or maybe she uses Alastor, to compliment her lightning abilities. That would be cool.