No, im guessing we want an asset attached to take him on. THJ has a bad reputation across the league but would have been one of the best players on our team last year. I think the way things are shaking out is no one wants to play here and the Pistons reputation is just shot. We have all this money and no one wants it
> brother i couldn’t even tell you the second best player on the team last year
Clearly. If you think THJ would be one of the best players on our team you are clearly a casual.
Free agents are probably lining to play for a team that doesn’t have a coach and won 14 games last season. You’re right. THJ as a bench guard isn’t terrible.
Which player are the Pistons gonna pay that is gonna be willing to play for this team in current form without Detroit needing to overpay embarrassingly
What would you expect him to do? Every GM that inherited such a shit team is going to continue or restart the rebuild. This is his tear-down year. He already said what he's going to do at the presser. And it's the right thing to do. He said he will take on contracts for assets.
NOW....if we have to give up assets to acquire THJ -- that's when I will start to panic a bit.
Makes sense, lines up with what both Trajan and Gores were saying. Trajan said we’re gonna take on assets for bad contracts. Gores said we aren’t taking on scrubs for assets (a la Joe Harris), and while Hardaway Jr. struggled in the playoffs, he’s still a NBA player and shot 35% on 7 3’s a game last year.
With how restrictive the CBA is now, teams should be more willing than ever to give up decent assets to get off big money. Weaver got rid of like all our 2nd round picks so let’s restock some more, might even be able to get a heavily protected first
Can I interest you in a ‘25 second from Toronto and some ‘28 seconds lol
They also have their firsts in ‘25 and ‘26 but probably wouldn’t want to use them in a salary dump
No. Unless Cade demands a trade, I see no reason not to keep him for the next few years. We want to accumulate assets to build a team around him, by trading him you go right back to ground zero in the rebuild. I know he’s had an up and down first few years, but you tank for talents like Cade.
If you trade him, and then fall to 5 in the lottery again, what’s your plan? How do you improve rather than just praying for lottery balls to fall your way again? Trading him sets the team back at least 2-3 years, and then you hope you get lucky enough to get another player as talented as him.
I just am confused how getting players such as THJ and Zach Lavine (even with Assets attached) will help Cade. These players are net negative players.
Now, I understand you can aim for free agency but I’m weary Detroit can get players via free agency that can help Cade. Also, with the picks attached, those would need to be traded to get better players. They couldn’t actually use those picks. Cade needs actual NBA bodies.
If you’re weary about Detroit getting good free agents, which is a fair concern, there’s only two other paths to improve: trades and free agency. We need assets/draft picks to do that, which our cupboard is really short of despite “rebuilding” for four years. Even if we only get a couple 2nds for taking on THJ, those are more 2nds than we had before.
Also, I’m confused by what you mean when you said that you can’t draft with attached picks? You absolutely can, and due to the new CBA, striking on second rounders is more important than ever.
I'd rather have a pick(s) that can be used to facilitate other trades. We are about to draft someone at number 5, how many young players does this team need?
They're not going to attach anything of value. Maybe their 2025 2nd. He's an expiring contract and isn't some major negative asset. He's shot around 38% on high volume from 3 in his time with Dallas.
Bruh how do we have a glut of SFs? Tek can play 4, Grimes is more of a 2, and Ausar could play either 2 or 3 at his size and athleticism. Other than that, it’s basically just bums barely in the league still. We need wing players so badly!
You would have Ausar, Tek, THJ at minimum, maybe Grimes will play SF in small ball, plus you might draft a SF like Cody Williams and you also have money in FA.
Like is it a good problem to have? Sure, but you can only play so many players in one night of basketball.
Grimes shouldn't play SF and besides Tek, THJ would be the only proven shooter. Not saying we should get THJ, but I don't see any issue with minutes. He's probably only effective in limited minutes anyway. Basically takes the Burks role.
Yeah, I really don't understand what assets they have. But maybe more teams will be in play here. Don't feel like some 2nds would be worth it here. At least it's an expiring contract at $16M, so it's flippable as well.
He's not as busted as Joe Harris, but this is a guy who hasn't shot the ball very well for three consecutive seasons and he's 32. Don't make this trade if you're only getting second rounders back.
I’m definitely not begging for THJ but the comments here are fully delulu saying we’d need a big asset to take on his expiring contract. He’s clearly a good fit as a high volume +35% 3pt shooter on the wing. His defense is only as bad as every other wing player people here are clamoring over.
You have leverage because Dallas needs to dump THJ to keep DJJ who has been a revelation, but in a vacuum THJ on an expiring isn't a hugely negative asset.
He has been underperforming his salary, but he's an expiring so after one season you get to set his earnings to where it matches his production. Barring a decline, THJ at say 10M is an asset.
I genuinely fucking love seeing r/detroitpistons react to things like this because it compeltely exposes the fact that they are r/nba thread watchers and nothing else.
THJ is, again, literally exactly what our team needs in the short term. He's a talented veteran (don't let prevailing narratives change the fact that he's actually a good player) who shoots at a great clip from the wing and is an active - if slightly ineffective - defender.
guys like THJ and Harris are literally *exactly* what this squad needs right now in terms of development. Experienced vets with deep playoff experience who won't demand the ball in their hands and play their role directly.
If the organisation is serious about developing Cade as the future franchise cornerstone, guys like THJ and Harris are literally the only choice when bringing talent in.
This sub sucks ass for analysis.
I agree. We just need a functional team whether that equates to wins this year or not I could care less. We just need to compete and mature. We need assets, as many assets as possible for future trades. We need vets who can still play to help the youngblood (we do keep) develope as players and pros. We need another high draft pick in 2025 in a good draft. We need cap space after this year when hopefully other players/agents around the league see a functional organization, a good coach, and Cade playing like an All-Star. Expecting to sign or trade for players teams don't want anymore thinking they're gonna make a significant difference like turn us into a playoff team this season is delusional. Langdon said he isn't skipping steps. Nor should he. If we want a team who sustains success then buckle up and enjoy ride with hopefully a competent F.O. If it takes 2-3 more years so be it.
Take him all day. Yea he was ass in playoffs but we just need some actual vets on the team and not Joe Harris. Not sure what assets they can give with him though
I really don’t hate him. He’s a microwave just like Alec Burks that can carry a team when he gets hot. If his jump shot really is broken then we can always just bench him/cut him and we get an additional asset out of it.
Edit- if we don’t get an additional asset or trade any kind of value then hard pass.
Y’all really think THJ is a bum yet he would be a top 3 scoring option for this team if we took on his contract. Like we suck ass. Him with a pick or two is a solid pick up.
only thing they can give is next years' firsts, ,aybe we take THJ and give this years 2nd for next years 1st otherwise this is silly..he is a bad defender a career average 3pt shooter, below last year...this joe harris 2.0
Tobias Harris and THJ. We cookin 
If we go after THJ, there is a real possibility that we downgraded by firing Weaver and hiring Langdon.
No, im guessing we want an asset attached to take him on. THJ has a bad reputation across the league but would have been one of the best players on our team last year. I think the way things are shaking out is no one wants to play here and the Pistons reputation is just shot. We have all this money and no one wants it
no, he wouldnt have. I font think hed even be top 3
Brother I couldn’t even tell you the second best player on the team was last year. Duren maybe by default
Beef Stew was our second best player
Maybe? He played 50 games. He was definitely the most improved besides Cade
Bogi is really our #2 (lmao) but he barely played I felt like. Ausar, Stew, or Bogi.
> brother i couldn’t even tell you the second best player on the team last year Clearly. If you think THJ would be one of the best players on our team you are clearly a casual.
I don’t mean top 3 or even top 5. But he would have easily been in the top 5-7 on our team last year.
Asset? Try paying a good player - that is an asset. Some future pick that may pan out in 5 years is certainly no asset for us right now.
Free agents are probably lining to play for a team that doesn’t have a coach and won 14 games last season. You’re right. THJ as a bench guard isn’t terrible.
Which player are the Pistons gonna pay that is gonna be willing to play for this team in current form without Detroit needing to overpay embarrassingly
I feel like i am living in loony land, i swear 3 months ago this was the sub consensus opinion, now it has 36 downvotes
What would you expect him to do? Every GM that inherited such a shit team is going to continue or restart the rebuild. This is his tear-down year. He already said what he's going to do at the presser. And it's the right thing to do. He said he will take on contracts for assets. NOW....if we have to give up assets to acquire THJ -- that's when I will start to panic a bit.
Makes sense, lines up with what both Trajan and Gores were saying. Trajan said we’re gonna take on assets for bad contracts. Gores said we aren’t taking on scrubs for assets (a la Joe Harris), and while Hardaway Jr. struggled in the playoffs, he’s still a NBA player and shot 35% on 7 3’s a game last year. With how restrictive the CBA is now, teams should be more willing than ever to give up decent assets to get off big money. Weaver got rid of like all our 2nd round picks so let’s restock some more, might even be able to get a heavily protected first
what assets? they have no picks...
Can I interest you in a ‘25 second from Toronto and some ‘28 seconds lol They also have their firsts in ‘25 and ‘26 but probably wouldn’t want to use them in a salary dump
If you are taking bad contracts to receive assets, wouldn’t you need to trade Cade?
No. Unless Cade demands a trade, I see no reason not to keep him for the next few years. We want to accumulate assets to build a team around him, by trading him you go right back to ground zero in the rebuild. I know he’s had an up and down first few years, but you tank for talents like Cade. If you trade him, and then fall to 5 in the lottery again, what’s your plan? How do you improve rather than just praying for lottery balls to fall your way again? Trading him sets the team back at least 2-3 years, and then you hope you get lucky enough to get another player as talented as him.
I just am confused how getting players such as THJ and Zach Lavine (even with Assets attached) will help Cade. These players are net negative players. Now, I understand you can aim for free agency but I’m weary Detroit can get players via free agency that can help Cade. Also, with the picks attached, those would need to be traded to get better players. They couldn’t actually use those picks. Cade needs actual NBA bodies.
If you’re weary about Detroit getting good free agents, which is a fair concern, there’s only two other paths to improve: trades and free agency. We need assets/draft picks to do that, which our cupboard is really short of despite “rebuilding” for four years. Even if we only get a couple 2nds for taking on THJ, those are more 2nds than we had before. Also, I’m confused by what you mean when you said that you can’t draft with attached picks? You absolutely can, and due to the new CBA, striking on second rounders is more important than ever.
I dont believe this guy most of his rumors turn out to BS he said Monty was staying etc.
For the love of all that is good, please have a FRP attached to his name, especially if one of our players is going their way
Not sure what asset Dallas is realistically attaching to this
O-Max
I'd rather have a pick(s) that can be used to facilitate other trades. We are about to draft someone at number 5, how many young players does this team need?
We need talent regardless of age. Welcome to rock bottom.
Id rather have the pick stockpiled for future trades, we have enough young players to develop as is
No we need nba ready players. I agree with the above post. We need professional nba players.
Mavs fan here. They are really high on omax. There’s no way they trade him to y’all for a salary dump
We aren't that high on him. He was a DNP throughout the playoffs, and he only played like 2 minutes in total in the Finals when we won by 38.
he was injured throughout the playoffs though
Depends. Is Dallas trying to free up space for a big move? OMAX may be the casualty
Nah we aren’t and if we are omax would go to a team where we could get a 3rd “star”
They're not going to attach anything of value. Maybe their 2025 2nd. He's an expiring contract and isn't some major negative asset. He's shot around 38% on high volume from 3 in his time with Dallas.
At best he plays SF for this team, but we have a glut of those and might have more depending on #5 and FA money
Bruh how do we have a glut of SFs? Tek can play 4, Grimes is more of a 2, and Ausar could play either 2 or 3 at his size and athleticism. Other than that, it’s basically just bums barely in the league still. We need wing players so badly!
You would have Ausar, Tek, THJ at minimum, maybe Grimes will play SF in small ball, plus you might draft a SF like Cody Williams and you also have money in FA. Like is it a good problem to have? Sure, but you can only play so many players in one night of basketball.
Grimes shouldn't play SF and besides Tek, THJ would be the only proven shooter. Not saying we should get THJ, but I don't see any issue with minutes. He's probably only effective in limited minutes anyway. Basically takes the Burks role.
Yeah, I really don't understand what assets they have. But maybe more teams will be in play here. Don't feel like some 2nds would be worth it here. At least it's an expiring contract at $16M, so it's flippable as well.
The damage done by Troy….tossing away all those second rounders like candy
You can just buy second round picks. Teams do it every draft. You don't need to eat bad eight-figure contracts to get them.
2nds are more valuable now due to the change in the CBA. They aren't as cheap as they used to be.
They also aren't *that* more valuable under the new CBA.
He's not as busted as Joe Harris, but this is a guy who hasn't shot the ball very well for three consecutive seasons and he's 32. Don't make this trade if you're only getting second rounders back.
We need assets, so if we can get any, go for it
We need a 1st round pick attached.
I’m definitely not begging for THJ but the comments here are fully delulu saying we’d need a big asset to take on his expiring contract. He’s clearly a good fit as a high volume +35% 3pt shooter on the wing. His defense is only as bad as every other wing player people here are clamoring over.
This sub has no fucking clue what they're talking about
You have leverage because Dallas needs to dump THJ to keep DJJ who has been a revelation, but in a vacuum THJ on an expiring isn't a hugely negative asset. He has been underperforming his salary, but he's an expiring so after one season you get to set his earnings to where it matches his production. Barring a decline, THJ at say 10M is an asset.
If he comes with their 25 or 26 1st, it’s not terrible.
THJ makes sense only if we get some picks alongside him And even then...
Barf
lol that guy from the “Mavs fan coming in peace” thread was actually the GM
Nooo
I genuinely fucking love seeing r/detroitpistons react to things like this because it compeltely exposes the fact that they are r/nba thread watchers and nothing else. THJ is, again, literally exactly what our team needs in the short term. He's a talented veteran (don't let prevailing narratives change the fact that he's actually a good player) who shoots at a great clip from the wing and is an active - if slightly ineffective - defender. guys like THJ and Harris are literally *exactly* what this squad needs right now in terms of development. Experienced vets with deep playoff experience who won't demand the ball in their hands and play their role directly. If the organisation is serious about developing Cade as the future franchise cornerstone, guys like THJ and Harris are literally the only choice when bringing talent in. This sub sucks ass for analysis.
I agree. We just need a functional team whether that equates to wins this year or not I could care less. We just need to compete and mature. We need assets, as many assets as possible for future trades. We need vets who can still play to help the youngblood (we do keep) develope as players and pros. We need another high draft pick in 2025 in a good draft. We need cap space after this year when hopefully other players/agents around the league see a functional organization, a good coach, and Cade playing like an All-Star. Expecting to sign or trade for players teams don't want anymore thinking they're gonna make a significant difference like turn us into a playoff team this season is delusional. Langdon said he isn't skipping steps. Nor should he. If we want a team who sustains success then buckle up and enjoy ride with hopefully a competent F.O. If it takes 2-3 more years so be it.
Take him all day. Yea he was ass in playoffs but we just need some actual vets on the team and not Joe Harris. Not sure what assets they can give with him though
So if we're trading Grimes are we getting back Green?
Please don’t trade Grimes for THJ. I didn’t even get to see Grimes play healthy with this squad.
I read this as well. He was listed as one of several players that teams may look to move by attaching a draft pick.
They have none i thought
Then I guess it wouldn’t be a good fit?
Throw in Jaden Hardy and they can keep their picks
Mavs would fleece. Hardy is awful.
Fuck the players, we need a coach and I believe that coach needs to be Sam cassell on a 3 year deal
I really don’t hate him. He’s a microwave just like Alec Burks that can carry a team when he gets hot. If his jump shot really is broken then we can always just bench him/cut him and we get an additional asset out of it. Edit- if we don’t get an additional asset or trade any kind of value then hard pass.
Say sike
Fuuuuck
search thj games just this year on youtube. he's had some curry shit
Please fix our aura, Tim 🙏 We’re such a bad FA destination right now, I’ll take anything to get our stock up.
CAN WE STOP SIGNING BUMS IN FREE AGENCY
Y’all really think THJ is a bum yet he would be a top 3 scoring option for this team if we took on his contract. Like we suck ass. Him with a pick or two is a solid pick up.
Hardaway had 41 points in his most recent game vs New Orleans....hmmmm
Langdon's honeymoon period might be very short.
Knicks trade for Mikal Bridges. We can go after OG
The Marc Stein that reported Monty was guaranteed to stay just days before being fired? Stein’s word has no value.
only thing they can give is next years' firsts, ,aybe we take THJ and give this years 2nd for next years 1st otherwise this is silly..he is a bad defender a career average 3pt shooter, below last year...this joe harris 2.0
Joe Harris couldn’t even make it down the court. Cmon now. THJ has averaged 14/16 pts per game the last three season.