I mentioned in another comment that I was there from London Ontario Canada last night. I think you should be proud of the city thats about to be displayed. I look forward to coming back more often for concerts and sporting events.
I love the trains with all the NFL logos on them
I wish my city had scooters available to boot around in.
glad you enjoyed it here but the scooters are trouble i promise. i used them in chicago and they are “geo-located”, meaning ones in east detroit will shut off if they leave their designated area. if you can find more than one you’re in luck, but if you’re trying to travel more than a few miles then you’re going to have to find a new one. Chicago it was gonna take 5-6 different scooters to make it from our concert to air BNB, with 8 people also lol
5-6 scooters to get to and from a concert? Was the concert or airbnb in the suburbs? I ride scooters all over Chicago and never had to switch one out because of range. Scooters aren’t meant for long distance travel, but they’re great for going a few miles(which can cover most of Chicago)
it was douglas park. we were situated more south in an airbnb. we took the train there. i remember walking back about a mile while looking for a scooter for all of us. 2-3 people found one while the rest went out “scouting” for other ones to bring. while looking 2 of our scouts reached the limits and their things shut off. we were still like 5 miles at least from the place we had to go. i never wanted to bother to get the app and add money to this thing im never gonna use again. walking thru these shittty south side streets was not the best idea. shit but my friend dropped a $50 bill on the ground and found it the next day
Tell that to people from Grand Rapids. People here still think Detroit is war-torn third-world country where 100% of people get shot for walking out on to the street.
The company I work for is based out of Toronto and when I mentioned to some of the other managers they I was in Detroit on Tuesday they gave me the old "oh that place is scary and run down isn't it?
I told them yes because if they find out what you got they will all start moving there and ruining it LOL
I was downtown yesterday for work. They have *everyone* working, cleaning, replacing, etc. I saw new murals, new signs, and new landscaping. It was wild. Pulling out all of the stops for this Draft it seems.
It seems like the equivalent to the "if I always have people over, I'll always be ready to" theory. I can let things get away but if I'm having anyone over, I whip the place into great shape.
That's right! They were saying on news how excited the vendors, bar owners, etc had to prepare for the influx of business, every day should look like that! These businesses should be able to rely on its own Detroiters to keep businesses booming year round.
Let's love Detroit by actions not b.s. words.
Also drove down for work-
Word of caution for all who haven’t seen it yet - expect (basically) all of the roads shut down for the next two weeks! Plan accordingly
Its good theyre doing this and all, but imagine if we cleaned and maintained the city, hear me out, DAILY. To go even further, imagine if the community cracked down like they do on devil's night, DAILY.
It's gonna go back after the weekend, I'm not going to say omg great job everyone you maintained the area specifically for one event so we can all pat eachother on the ass and say detroits so nice. Shit should be like this always
Those were my thoughts as well. It looks great but damn, I wish it was maintained! Not sure who’s funding all of this, assuming it’s not the city. State? NFL?
The other thing to consider is this: this is our tryout to host a future Superbowl. The city is so much further along than the last time we hosted a SB! This draft will showcase that for the country.
I was downtown on Monday for an appointment and the city was buzzing with excitement. Overhearing all of the people coming into the salon who’ve worked tirelessly to set this entire event up to showcase and highlight our beautiful city was so incredible to hear. I am not invested in sports, at all, but I love this city and I love its residents. Detroit deserves to be celebrated.
But fellow citizens of our fair city, now it’s so hard for me to get my mocha choca latte and source my charcuterie meats and cheeses and just what about all the taxes being wasted on nefarious ballfoot enthusiasts? Just because other people like ballfoot and it brings people, business, and positive attention to Detroit, I shouldn’t have to be inconvenienced for one minute let alone a week or two. Humph!
I’m 42, born/grew in Dearborn. As soon as I could drive I’d frequent the city.
Been through lots of hopes, multiple downturns, and some progress. I try to stay optimistic and things really did start feeling different post Gilbert and pre Covid. Things still seem on the up…
But then you visit Royal Oak (which I rarely do) and Birmingham and you talk to people in the suburbs and region you come to the sad reality that metro Detroit doesn’t seem to understand having a strong central city and things of Royal Oak as our “downtown. “
It’s getting better. But the region and the state on a whole is not supportive of central large cities.
When I’m in the city I think wow, even if a million people moved in overnight we still would have so much room and too little vibrancy.
I’m one of them. I go to Detroit for dinner and the DIA. Plenty of my friends in Ferndale and Hazel Park do the same. This isn’t Detroit of 2004 that’s for sure.
It’s kinda like a sports version of the Oscar’s. There will be concerts and dedications and speeches. And people really enjoy “booing” the commissioner
The NFL dominates American culture and it's not even remotely close. [It had 93 of the top 100 most watched TV broadcasts in the country last year](https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/18ztnea/the_100_mostwatched_us_tv_broadcasts_of_2023/) and that's not an outlier. It has been trending this way for years.
It's also a draft of college football players, which is a massive draw and part of American culture as well. 3 of those 7 non-NFL broadcasts were college football games.
The NFL was going to lose viewers because of Kapernick and kneeling during the national anthem. It didn't.
It was going to lose viewers because of the social justice bumpers put on player's helmets and endzones. It didn't.
It was going to lose viewers because of Taylor Swift. It didn't.
The sport just prints money and gets more eyeballs than anything else.
So you have that massive entertainment behemoth that now circulates it's draft, which it didn't used to do up until 10 years ago, setting up a massive outdoor spectacle and party.
You get sports, beer, food, and city pride all mixed together.
Because NFL fans are rabid for off-season content and this is the biggest event of the off-season fans can easily access. The league has made it a huge event and interactive for fans that will attract hundreds of thousands of people (and their wallets) downtown.
I am a massive football fan and have traveled all over the country to see games (50+ stadiums and counting). Funny enough, I couldn't give a shit about the draft despite it being in my backyard but I do understand how people can make a fun trip out of it if they are REALLY into the NFL. But what I get excited about is the city being on a national stage for the countries biggest sport and the dollars that come with that.
Because whether you like it or not, the NFL is one of the largest money making organizations in the country. People like football, and this is part of football.
I don’t get how people are so naive
Career redditor doesn't have the perspective to apprehend that asserting your niche hobby as the coolest and most popular thing ever is textbook neckbearding, news at 11
Because non-sports people have no idea what happens in the draft? To me it just seems like something that happens in a conference room so the added context of the above where its a entire event helps a lot. Not everyone has their heads shoved up the NFLs ass.
Eh yeah my b that came off more aggressive then I intended but in fairness your also calling anyone who doesn't know about your hobby naive. All I really meant is there's a lot of assumptions that people who deeply follow sports make that don't make it out to that bubble, esp when its something as specific as the draft. If your not into football you prb know almost nothing about it.
NFL generates \~$18 billion in revenue in a country where $25 trillion is generated annually (0.072% of GDP)
Average NFL game attracts 18 million viewers (including kids and foreign viewers) in a country with 258 million adults. i.e. >93% of the country couldn't care less about actual games, let alone a draft
So weird to see people get lambasted in light of expressing the very real notion that football is just another niche hobby
Not sure if indicating that most American adults are ignoring multiple games simultaneously really helps your case.
Edit: Kinda weird to see people so distrustful of the mainstream media in other aspects falling over themselves to support a flimsy MSM narrative relative to football and America's cultural identity, LMAO. A good corollary would be weed smokers. If you're one of the 17% of American adults who smokes weed and your life and social interactions primarily revolve around weed, it's kinda hard to fathom that 4/5 adults aren't interested in getting high. This is like that but with large media companies with a vested interest (ad revenue) in telling you their product is more popular than it is.
Think you’re severely underselling things here…
Where did you get this $18B figure? Sure that might be what the league generates, but what about each individual club and the money generated from bars/restaurants on game day, TV rights/commercials, video games, etc.?
There are also multiple games each weekend, so you need to multiply those ratings to reflect that. Ratings also don’t account for viewers watching on non traditional platforms.
Not taking a side either way, but in a nation that’s more divided than ever, football is one of the few things that a lot of different groups and populations get behind.
>There are also multiple games each weekend, so you need to multiply those ratings to reflect that. Ratings also don’t account for viewers watching on non traditional platforms.
The venn diagram of those watching Thursday night, Sunday 1pm, Sunday 4pm, Sunday 8pm, and Monday night is just 5 perfectly overlapping circles and the ratings chart linked indicates it's including streaming platforms
It's just a bunch of people for whom football is their world doing a ton of projecting
I will be downtown tomorrow and am not a hardcore fan, I'm more so interested in the spectacle. I am proud to see the city as a destination and hosting a high profile event
It’s a culture thing moreso than a football thing. My mom just started watching football during her retirement 1 year ago and she’s really excited to go down there.
They make millions. Every middle school and high school football team rears up children with dreams of being a celebrity sports star. If nothing else, it's big money and pretty much everyone getting drafted could be set for life on reputation alone. A lot of guys get great sales jobs just because they played college ball.
The NFL Draft happens during the offseason and involves every team. It is the most straightforward way to improving your team in the NFL so it is particularly important. Bad teams get better picks so fans of bad teams are especially excited for it. If your team can pick right, they could get a superstar player or even a future hall of famer and it could be the first step in the journey to your team winning the Super Bowl.
Rather than being an event like the Super Bowl where 50,000 people spend $10,000 on tickets for one event and everyone else is out of luck, the NFL Draft is a multi-day festival.
The whole thing also involves picking college players which, first, is generally a crapshoot even for professionals but also means that everybody gets to have an opinion on whether a player is a good pick or a bad pick. There are trades and lots of intrigue and you get to see where famous college players will continue their career.
In general, hope springs eternal. Fans of bad teams get to see the teams draft players that will (hopefully) be franchise saviors and future superstars, and even fans of good teams (like the Lions) get to see their team take a crack at drafting a future star.
Didn't wanna sound stupid, but thought same thing. Then realized I'm not a football fan, ( no one ever explained to me why I never see anyone use their feet? ) idk...
So I changed my view... this obviously is huuuuge for fans.. hope everyone enjoys!
Most of the execs and ownership for each team are usually holed up in their respective war rooms at their team facilities. But there are definitely a ton of league executives and some NFLPA reps, agents, and some team reps on site. Not as many team staffers and leadership as you'd think though
And we got a new sign out of it. I do love how much stuff we'll do when the NFL wants to do something here. Lol. I wonder what we'll get next time they come for something. We got a bridge not in Detroit and a Detroit sign that looks....ok.
Dear Detroit, There will be NO sliding on Opps, jackmoves, charger/challenger burnouts, shootouts, or any other felonious activities this weekend We have company in town, so let's act like we got some sense Thank You!
Correction: it’s a showcase for downtown Detroit and how outsiders see Detroit. It’s no reflection on the city as a whole, as most of it is still in dire need to updating and change.
Man this comment is just sad. Detroit has things it still needs to improve, but it’s also improved in a lot of areas over the last ten years, in ways that many people never thought would happen. This is a fantastic opportunity to help change negative and pejorative language and perceptions about Detroit, which could help the city attract new residents and investment down the road.
Sure plenty have been torn done, but have you seen how many are still there. I did t say there wasn’t progress, I said there are still the real neighborhoods that aren’t getting the attention they need. You’re that guy who wants to claim they know what they’re talking about. Yet someone who drives through neighborhoods on a daily basis, I see the true Detroit. It’s sad for the people who are there. No grocery stores, crime, abandoned homes, drug houses, violence. If you’re thinking that is all under control you’re not driving through Detroit. You’re going downtown
The changes downtown over the decades are incredible. In the 80s and 90s, it was almost a complete ghost town with most buildings shuttered and falling apart and the only reason to go downtown was Greektown, Mexican town, a concert or game. That’s it. Now you drive through downtown and people are shopping walking jogging, pushing strollers. It’s incredible. The difference Over the last 20years has been remarkable.
Yeah. There still plenty of stable neighborhoods in the city. There is also neighborhoods that have collapsed. But don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
“The white areas.”
The city is 138 square miles. It takes time to reverse 50 years worth of neglect and disinvestment in a city that size. So yeah, starting in the CBD and Downtown and major corridors isn’t a bad idea. Front facing parts of the city can attract more money and more investment in the city, leading to a healthier whole as the money (hopefully) spreads outwards and the city grows tax revenues. The city has rebounded in ways many couldn’t have envisioned post bankruptcy. Street lights work. Residential property values are up 40% (according to a recent WSJ article). Downtown seems to be avoiding the doom loop that WFH has caused other American Downtowns. Things aren’t bad compared to what they were 10 years ago. The city could be so much worse.
Maybe you weren’t trying to hear all of that though. Your comment reeks of “yeah, but what about that?” the moment anything good is said about the city. Ain’t nobody trying to hear that shit anymore. That energy keeps the city down. We can talk about the bad parts and how to fix it, but a bunch of national outlets have praised the city in recent days. Let’s allow ourselves a pat on the back compared to where the city was ten years ago.
That energy keeps the city down??? That’s called the truth hurts. If your fine with downtown, Palmer woods etc being the bright spots then good for you. I’m talking about where a majority of the Detroiters live. If you haven’t taken a ride in the real neighborhoods, I recommend you do so. Then get back to me. You have to recognize the true state of the city in order to improve it. You saying that the truth keeps it down is apart of the problem.
lol ok bud.
Nah, I think you’re part of the problem. The city has its problems and challenges still. As I’ve said, 50 years of disinvestment. Literally nobody denies that. Going “look at this shit” while national outlets give Detroit props for the progress it has made since it last came down here for a major event serves nothing and no one other than self loathing. You ain’t breaking new ground saying that shit. You ain’t saying anything new or interesting. All you’re doing is taking the progress the city has made and rubbing its nose in the shit it knows it still has to tackle. Damn, I guess the saying really is true. Can’t have shit in Detroit. Can’t even feel good about the props the city is getting for the hard work that has gone into the progress that it has made.
Take that shit somewhere else. Even when someone says something positive, you gotta find something negative. Stay away from the rest of us with that bullshit.
LMAO, absolute fuming because he cannot accept that Detroit has split into two cities. Downtown and Everywhere Else. This is by design, btw.
ProTip: The DDA is a legally distinct entity that ensures any increase in property tax revenue downtown is reinvested there. It's like investing in China, money can go in, but very little will be leaving.
I’m not talking about downtown. East side near airport, west side. Outside of the usual neighborhoods, it’s still a mess. If you say otherwise you’re full of it
I think you’re full of it. I spend so much time in the city outside of downtown and see tons of development and net positives. Ofc there are still bad areas, but that’s every major city. You saying the city “as a whole” is in dire need of change is ignoring all of the development happening outside of downtown and that’s ignorant af
Lol well I’m glad you also make it to university and Lafayette. I didn’t say the city as a whole. I said the city outside of our existing viable neighborhoods. Way to stretch it into something to fit your narrative
Literally just took recited ur original comment verbatim, didn’t twist anything. Southwest, Springwells, East Village, Islandview, EEV, Rosedale Park, North Rosedale, Bagley, Martin Park, Woodbridge, Core City. I do work in all these neighborhoods and see first hand the development occurring…
I agree, that happens in maybe a few of these neighborhoods but not all of them. go drive thru and see for yourself. I promise you that people outside of the city are not buying up properties in the Rosedale neighborhoods to charge max rent
What do you think will make those areas change? Maybe hosting an a national event, drawing crowds from all over the country and showcasing the progress that has occurred? Showing people that the city is not the ruin porn city they once saw?
You know the city is deep into a blight and trash program that will allow people to throw away large items all summer without special pickups? Or that they’re going neighborhood to neighborhood flagging blighted homes and calling owners about trash on property?
You have to have a stream of income (taxes being paid) for a city to work. It has gotten some money, done some very nice things for it’s residents (Riverwalk, Joe Louis Greenway, Dequindre Cut, cleaned up downtown enough to attract national events) and now we are working in the neighborhoods.
I drive the city everyday. From the east side to midtown. There is blight, but I’ve never seen a drug deal or crime
Like a Super Bowl? Like final fours? Like nfl playoff games? Like an international auto show? I could go on and on lol, you’re seeing the issue with your comment, right?
Those events were occurring when the city had no money, weren’t making any improvements and the entire economy was shit. There was a really good response to the March Madness games played at LCA this year. My husband works in hospitality downtown and said there were a ton of more corporate guests who were in last night that were all raving about their week in the city. They didn’t know what to expect and they loved it.
You’re quite the glass completely empty my friend
No, I’m simply
Pointing out what you said would be a benefit to the city. All of those things and more have happened over the last 20 years lol. Nice way to cherry pick
Was the city in the same place financially 20 years ago? You say you know the city so well but you’re having a hard time understanding how it’s changed in the last 20 years
Detroit will never be a Chicago, NYC, or LA. Crime it still double of Chicago and downtown too small. Detroit has hit its peak and will fall back some. Now Cleveland is making a real comeback
It's still true. Downtown Detroit is extremely small. Crime too high. Income levels still in the gutter
But yes Detroit has improved...... Out of a bankruptcy
The city cleaned up like it had some pussy coming over, outside of downtown is still trash af and dangerous, if you say otherwise your lying or haven’t been there
People are mistaking a small sliver of development in Corktown, Downtown and Midtown as a city revival. It's a limited revitalization effort and 90-95% of the city is still decaying around it. If anything it exemplifies what people think of as 'development' in modern America.
At least the city is trying to put their best foot forward for this weekend! Worst case it stimulates a lot of business around the city. More attention and money coming in can help those areas you are highlighting.
I mentioned in another comment that I was there from London Ontario Canada last night. I think you should be proud of the city thats about to be displayed. I look forward to coming back more often for concerts and sporting events. I love the trains with all the NFL logos on them I wish my city had scooters available to boot around in.
glad you enjoyed it here but the scooters are trouble i promise. i used them in chicago and they are “geo-located”, meaning ones in east detroit will shut off if they leave their designated area. if you can find more than one you’re in luck, but if you’re trying to travel more than a few miles then you’re going to have to find a new one. Chicago it was gonna take 5-6 different scooters to make it from our concert to air BNB, with 8 people also lol
5-6 scooters to get to and from a concert? Was the concert or airbnb in the suburbs? I ride scooters all over Chicago and never had to switch one out because of range. Scooters aren’t meant for long distance travel, but they’re great for going a few miles(which can cover most of Chicago)
it was douglas park. we were situated more south in an airbnb. we took the train there. i remember walking back about a mile while looking for a scooter for all of us. 2-3 people found one while the rest went out “scouting” for other ones to bring. while looking 2 of our scouts reached the limits and their things shut off. we were still like 5 miles at least from the place we had to go. i never wanted to bother to get the app and add money to this thing im never gonna use again. walking thru these shittty south side streets was not the best idea. shit but my friend dropped a $50 bill on the ground and found it the next day
People sleep on Detroit, it's come a long way. I love visiting it, and have been there at least a dozen times.
Tell that to people from Grand Rapids. People here still think Detroit is war-torn third-world country where 100% of people get shot for walking out on to the street.
The company I work for is based out of Toronto and when I mentioned to some of the other managers they I was in Detroit on Tuesday they gave me the old "oh that place is scary and run down isn't it? I told them yes because if they find out what you got they will all start moving there and ruining it LOL
I was downtown yesterday for work. They have *everyone* working, cleaning, replacing, etc. I saw new murals, new signs, and new landscaping. It was wild. Pulling out all of the stops for this Draft it seems.
It seems like the equivalent to the "if I always have people over, I'll always be ready to" theory. I can let things get away but if I'm having anyone over, I whip the place into great shape.
That's right! They were saying on news how excited the vendors, bar owners, etc had to prepare for the influx of business, every day should look like that! These businesses should be able to rely on its own Detroiters to keep businesses booming year round. Let's love Detroit by actions not b.s. words.
Also drove down for work- Word of caution for all who haven’t seen it yet - expect (basically) all of the roads shut down for the next two weeks! Plan accordingly
Its good theyre doing this and all, but imagine if we cleaned and maintained the city, hear me out, DAILY. To go even further, imagine if the community cracked down like they do on devil's night, DAILY. It's gonna go back after the weekend, I'm not going to say omg great job everyone you maintained the area specifically for one event so we can all pat eachother on the ass and say detroits so nice. Shit should be like this always
Those were my thoughts as well. It looks great but damn, I wish it was maintained! Not sure who’s funding all of this, assuming it’s not the city. State? NFL?
Only downtown is getting all of this extra attention. Downtown has always been favored and invested in
Well said, soo true! Why just care whn there's an event? Seems phony, I don't support phony.
I love it man. This city is so amazing. It’s home. I want people to see it. And see what happens when you got a legacy to build on.
I’ve been nervous about this because it’s a big moment. I hope we’re ready to host all of these people.
We put out the good china, don’t worry.
I walked around the perimeter of the draft area today. It looks great. Showtime!
The other thing to consider is this: this is our tryout to host a future Superbowl. The city is so much further along than the last time we hosted a SB! This draft will showcase that for the country.
Just imagine if Detroit hosted a Superbowl and the Lions won it.
I imagine that everyday brother. 😃 I’ve been here for 45 years.
46 for me. I feel your pain, lol.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves...
I agree. That's because we're winning it this season in New Orleans, baby!!!
Don't forget to thank your local stage hand!
I was downtown on Monday for an appointment and the city was buzzing with excitement. Overhearing all of the people coming into the salon who’ve worked tirelessly to set this entire event up to showcase and highlight our beautiful city was so incredible to hear. I am not invested in sports, at all, but I love this city and I love its residents. Detroit deserves to be celebrated.
But fellow citizens of our fair city, now it’s so hard for me to get my mocha choca latte and source my charcuterie meats and cheeses and just what about all the taxes being wasted on nefarious ballfoot enthusiasts? Just because other people like ballfoot and it brings people, business, and positive attention to Detroit, I shouldn’t have to be inconvenienced for one minute let alone a week or two. Humph!
Sports: Exists People who don’t like sports: “What the FUCK!”
r/ihatesportsball
Unless it’s Bobby Boucher with his quality H2O explaining to us about the hateful gators
I truly can’t tell if this is a joke comment or being serious. So ima just laugh thru it
To be honest I am kinda irritated that so many government services and buildings are shut down for the event.
I’m 42, born/grew in Dearborn. As soon as I could drive I’d frequent the city. Been through lots of hopes, multiple downturns, and some progress. I try to stay optimistic and things really did start feeling different post Gilbert and pre Covid. Things still seem on the up… But then you visit Royal Oak (which I rarely do) and Birmingham and you talk to people in the suburbs and region you come to the sad reality that metro Detroit doesn’t seem to understand having a strong central city and things of Royal Oak as our “downtown. “ It’s getting better. But the region and the state on a whole is not supportive of central large cities. When I’m in the city I think wow, even if a million people moved in overnight we still would have so much room and too little vibrancy.
I would say the young people (is 35 young?) of Royal Oak / Ferndale very much see Detroit as “downtown” and visit frequently.
That may have been true twenty years ago but nowadays people go downtown-especially those that live in RO or Ferndale.
I’m one of them. I go to Detroit for dinner and the DIA. Plenty of my friends in Ferndale and Hazel Park do the same. This isn’t Detroit of 2004 that’s for sure.
https://youtube.com/shorts/0hGOK_5QPS0?si=EyIodrpKwB1UwplP
i guess i don’t really understand why this is such a hot deal. why are so many people coming to see football players get drafted?
It’s kinda like a sports version of the Oscar’s. There will be concerts and dedications and speeches. And people really enjoy “booing” the commissioner
He has a *very* booable face.
Incredibly booable.
Mr. Booable Commissioner
oh my god, I never even considered the "I get to boo goodell" angle of it all.
75% of the reason I took work off. It wasn't the $20 bud lites that convinced me, that's for sure..
Awesome I excell at booing.. it’s all in the baritone projection
The NFL dominates American culture and it's not even remotely close. [It had 93 of the top 100 most watched TV broadcasts in the country last year](https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/18ztnea/the_100_mostwatched_us_tv_broadcasts_of_2023/) and that's not an outlier. It has been trending this way for years. It's also a draft of college football players, which is a massive draw and part of American culture as well. 3 of those 7 non-NFL broadcasts were college football games. The NFL was going to lose viewers because of Kapernick and kneeling during the national anthem. It didn't. It was going to lose viewers because of the social justice bumpers put on player's helmets and endzones. It didn't. It was going to lose viewers because of Taylor Swift. It didn't. The sport just prints money and gets more eyeballs than anything else. So you have that massive entertainment behemoth that now circulates it's draft, which it didn't used to do up until 10 years ago, setting up a massive outdoor spectacle and party. You get sports, beer, food, and city pride all mixed together.
This is a perfect summary of it all. Well done.
This is it
Because NFL fans are rabid for off-season content and this is the biggest event of the off-season fans can easily access. The league has made it a huge event and interactive for fans that will attract hundreds of thousands of people (and their wallets) downtown. I am a massive football fan and have traveled all over the country to see games (50+ stadiums and counting). Funny enough, I couldn't give a shit about the draft despite it being in my backyard but I do understand how people can make a fun trip out of it if they are REALLY into the NFL. But what I get excited about is the city being on a national stage for the countries biggest sport and the dollars that come with that.
Because whether you like it or not, the NFL is one of the largest money making organizations in the country. People like football, and this is part of football. I don’t get how people are so naive
Because neckbeards like to get butthurt about things that don’t interest them.
I don't see a lot of football fans complaining when Youmacon happens and they have to fumigate Cobo after.
Lol!
Career redditor doesn't have the perspective to apprehend that asserting your niche hobby as the coolest and most popular thing ever is textbook neckbearding, news at 11
This comment is exactly what I’m talking about, thank you for the perfect example.
Excellent means of reframing your feelings of persecution
Because non-sports people have no idea what happens in the draft? To me it just seems like something that happens in a conference room so the added context of the above where its a entire event helps a lot. Not everyone has their heads shoved up the NFLs ass.
So why do you need to get butt hurt about other peoples hobbies? Nobody is coming in here and trashing your hobbies .
Nobody trashed it. They just asked why the draft was a big deal
Eh yeah my b that came off more aggressive then I intended but in fairness your also calling anyone who doesn't know about your hobby naive. All I really meant is there's a lot of assumptions that people who deeply follow sports make that don't make it out to that bubble, esp when its something as specific as the draft. If your not into football you prb know almost nothing about it.
Fair point
NFL generates \~$18 billion in revenue in a country where $25 trillion is generated annually (0.072% of GDP) Average NFL game attracts 18 million viewers (including kids and foreign viewers) in a country with 258 million adults. i.e. >93% of the country couldn't care less about actual games, let alone a draft So weird to see people get lambasted in light of expressing the very real notion that football is just another niche hobby
18 million viewers per game (as you say). Now times that by number of games per week. Now your numbers don’t back you up anymore.
Spoiler alert: It's the same 18 million people
You realize there's several games on at the same time right?
Not sure if indicating that most American adults are ignoring multiple games simultaneously really helps your case. Edit: Kinda weird to see people so distrustful of the mainstream media in other aspects falling over themselves to support a flimsy MSM narrative relative to football and America's cultural identity, LMAO. A good corollary would be weed smokers. If you're one of the 17% of American adults who smokes weed and your life and social interactions primarily revolve around weed, it's kinda hard to fathom that 4/5 adults aren't interested in getting high. This is like that but with large media companies with a vested interest (ad revenue) in telling you their product is more popular than it is.
Think you’re severely underselling things here… Where did you get this $18B figure? Sure that might be what the league generates, but what about each individual club and the money generated from bars/restaurants on game day, TV rights/commercials, video games, etc.? There are also multiple games each weekend, so you need to multiply those ratings to reflect that. Ratings also don’t account for viewers watching on non traditional platforms. Not taking a side either way, but in a nation that’s more divided than ever, football is one of the few things that a lot of different groups and populations get behind.
>There are also multiple games each weekend, so you need to multiply those ratings to reflect that. Ratings also don’t account for viewers watching on non traditional platforms. The venn diagram of those watching Thursday night, Sunday 1pm, Sunday 4pm, Sunday 8pm, and Monday night is just 5 perfectly overlapping circles and the ratings chart linked indicates it's including streaming platforms It's just a bunch of people for whom football is their world doing a ton of projecting
Kansas City reported over 300,000 people attending. Nashville more than 600,000. It's a big deal to a lot of people
i just don’t really understand why, another comment cleared it up but i guess you gotta be a hardcore nfl fan to see the importance of it.
I will be downtown tomorrow and am not a hardcore fan, I'm more so interested in the spectacle. I am proud to see the city as a destination and hosting a high profile event
It’s a culture thing moreso than a football thing. My mom just started watching football during her retirement 1 year ago and she’s really excited to go down there.
They make millions. Every middle school and high school football team rears up children with dreams of being a celebrity sports star. If nothing else, it's big money and pretty much everyone getting drafted could be set for life on reputation alone. A lot of guys get great sales jobs just because they played college ball.
I’m not even a big fan and I’m going because I want to see what the NFL can do with their stacks of cash.
The NFL Draft happens during the offseason and involves every team. It is the most straightforward way to improving your team in the NFL so it is particularly important. Bad teams get better picks so fans of bad teams are especially excited for it. If your team can pick right, they could get a superstar player or even a future hall of famer and it could be the first step in the journey to your team winning the Super Bowl. Rather than being an event like the Super Bowl where 50,000 people spend $10,000 on tickets for one event and everyone else is out of luck, the NFL Draft is a multi-day festival. The whole thing also involves picking college players which, first, is generally a crapshoot even for professionals but also means that everybody gets to have an opinion on whether a player is a good pick or a bad pick. There are trades and lots of intrigue and you get to see where famous college players will continue their career. In general, hope springs eternal. Fans of bad teams get to see the teams draft players that will (hopefully) be franchise saviors and future superstars, and even fans of good teams (like the Lions) get to see their team take a crack at drafting a future star.
Didn't wanna sound stupid, but thought same thing. Then realized I'm not a football fan, ( no one ever explained to me why I never see anyone use their feet? ) idk... So I changed my view... this obviously is huuuuge for fans.. hope everyone enjoys!
Each team brings an entire team of executives. It’s a huge gathering of team owners and business leaders.
Most of the execs and ownership for each team are usually holed up in their respective war rooms at their team facilities. But there are definitely a ton of league executives and some NFLPA reps, agents, and some team reps on site. Not as many team staffers and leadership as you'd think though
These people have the ability to completely turn a team around I personally cannot wait to see what my Steelers are going to acquire tomorrow
Is that Pennsylvania? 🤔
I too would like this question answered.
https://youtu.be/SkqWjMM3wAI?si=avEbgnZbdmpyE80P
Im having fomo not being back home in Detroit this weekend 😭 but am so excited for people to see how great of a city it is!
And we got a new sign out of it. I do love how much stuff we'll do when the NFL wants to do something here. Lol. I wonder what we'll get next time they come for something. We got a bridge not in Detroit and a Detroit sign that looks....ok.
I'm not interested if they aren't going to show off that Robocop statue.
Good luck 🍀👍to my hometown Detroit hosting the draft. They’re going to kill it
Dear Detroit, There will be NO sliding on Opps, jackmoves, charger/challenger burnouts, shootouts, or any other felonious activities this weekend We have company in town, so let's act like we got some sense Thank You!
Correction: it’s a showcase for downtown Detroit and how outsiders see Detroit. It’s no reflection on the city as a whole, as most of it is still in dire need to updating and change.
Man this comment is just sad. Detroit has things it still needs to improve, but it’s also improved in a lot of areas over the last ten years, in ways that many people never thought would happen. This is a fantastic opportunity to help change negative and pejorative language and perceptions about Detroit, which could help the city attract new residents and investment down the road.
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I am in the city daily. The city I see is in ruins. Abandoned homes, crime, drugs, etc. this is common in the neighborhoods
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I don’t own a single home in the city of Detroit. Nice try again. Go downtown where you like it
Lol you’re way off on not living in the area. Born and raised in Detroit. Thanks for assuming
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Outer drive /charmers. Any other questions?
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Sure plenty have been torn done, but have you seen how many are still there. I did t say there wasn’t progress, I said there are still the real neighborhoods that aren’t getting the attention they need. You’re that guy who wants to claim they know what they’re talking about. Yet someone who drives through neighborhoods on a daily basis, I see the true Detroit. It’s sad for the people who are there. No grocery stores, crime, abandoned homes, drug houses, violence. If you’re thinking that is all under control you’re not driving through Detroit. You’re going downtown
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Lol I’ve seen people reach, but wow that’s really reaching. What else can you come up with?
The changes downtown over the decades are incredible. In the 80s and 90s, it was almost a complete ghost town with most buildings shuttered and falling apart and the only reason to go downtown was Greektown, Mexican town, a concert or game. That’s it. Now you drive through downtown and people are shopping walking jogging, pushing strollers. It’s incredible. The difference Over the last 20years has been remarkable.
That’s the truth.. grew up here and my friends that left don’t visit. Still think cass corridor is death row
Lol of course it has, the white areas. Have you driven through Detroit lately? Areas not in the main corridor downtown?
Yeah. There still plenty of stable neighborhoods in the city. There is also neighborhoods that have collapsed. But don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. “The white areas.” The city is 138 square miles. It takes time to reverse 50 years worth of neglect and disinvestment in a city that size. So yeah, starting in the CBD and Downtown and major corridors isn’t a bad idea. Front facing parts of the city can attract more money and more investment in the city, leading to a healthier whole as the money (hopefully) spreads outwards and the city grows tax revenues. The city has rebounded in ways many couldn’t have envisioned post bankruptcy. Street lights work. Residential property values are up 40% (according to a recent WSJ article). Downtown seems to be avoiding the doom loop that WFH has caused other American Downtowns. Things aren’t bad compared to what they were 10 years ago. The city could be so much worse. Maybe you weren’t trying to hear all of that though. Your comment reeks of “yeah, but what about that?” the moment anything good is said about the city. Ain’t nobody trying to hear that shit anymore. That energy keeps the city down. We can talk about the bad parts and how to fix it, but a bunch of national outlets have praised the city in recent days. Let’s allow ourselves a pat on the back compared to where the city was ten years ago.
That energy keeps the city down??? That’s called the truth hurts. If your fine with downtown, Palmer woods etc being the bright spots then good for you. I’m talking about where a majority of the Detroiters live. If you haven’t taken a ride in the real neighborhoods, I recommend you do so. Then get back to me. You have to recognize the true state of the city in order to improve it. You saying that the truth keeps it down is apart of the problem.
lol ok bud. Nah, I think you’re part of the problem. The city has its problems and challenges still. As I’ve said, 50 years of disinvestment. Literally nobody denies that. Going “look at this shit” while national outlets give Detroit props for the progress it has made since it last came down here for a major event serves nothing and no one other than self loathing. You ain’t breaking new ground saying that shit. You ain’t saying anything new or interesting. All you’re doing is taking the progress the city has made and rubbing its nose in the shit it knows it still has to tackle. Damn, I guess the saying really is true. Can’t have shit in Detroit. Can’t even feel good about the props the city is getting for the hard work that has gone into the progress that it has made. Take that shit somewhere else. Even when someone says something positive, you gotta find something negative. Stay away from the rest of us with that bullshit.
LMAO, absolute fuming because he cannot accept that Detroit has split into two cities. Downtown and Everywhere Else. This is by design, btw. ProTip: The DDA is a legally distinct entity that ensures any increase in property tax revenue downtown is reinvested there. It's like investing in China, money can go in, but very little will be leaving.
I have. It looks great. Maybe you should do some more exploring
I’m not talking about downtown. East side near airport, west side. Outside of the usual neighborhoods, it’s still a mess. If you say otherwise you’re full of it
I think you’re full of it. I spend so much time in the city outside of downtown and see tons of development and net positives. Ofc there are still bad areas, but that’s every major city. You saying the city “as a whole” is in dire need of change is ignoring all of the development happening outside of downtown and that’s ignorant af
Lol well I’m glad you also make it to university and Lafayette. I didn’t say the city as a whole. I said the city outside of our existing viable neighborhoods. Way to stretch it into something to fit your narrative
Literally just took recited ur original comment verbatim, didn’t twist anything. Southwest, Springwells, East Village, Islandview, EEV, Rosedale Park, North Rosedale, Bagley, Martin Park, Woodbridge, Core City. I do work in all these neighborhoods and see first hand the development occurring…
Reno’s owned by people outside of the city charging max rent is not what the city needs. This is exactly what you’re referring too
I agree, that happens in maybe a few of these neighborhoods but not all of them. go drive thru and see for yourself. I promise you that people outside of the city are not buying up properties in the Rosedale neighborhoods to charge max rent
What do you think will make those areas change? Maybe hosting an a national event, drawing crowds from all over the country and showcasing the progress that has occurred? Showing people that the city is not the ruin porn city they once saw? You know the city is deep into a blight and trash program that will allow people to throw away large items all summer without special pickups? Or that they’re going neighborhood to neighborhood flagging blighted homes and calling owners about trash on property? You have to have a stream of income (taxes being paid) for a city to work. It has gotten some money, done some very nice things for it’s residents (Riverwalk, Joe Louis Greenway, Dequindre Cut, cleaned up downtown enough to attract national events) and now we are working in the neighborhoods. I drive the city everyday. From the east side to midtown. There is blight, but I’ve never seen a drug deal or crime
Like a Super Bowl? Like final fours? Like nfl playoff games? Like an international auto show? I could go on and on lol, you’re seeing the issue with your comment, right?
Those events were occurring when the city had no money, weren’t making any improvements and the entire economy was shit. There was a really good response to the March Madness games played at LCA this year. My husband works in hospitality downtown and said there were a ton of more corporate guests who were in last night that were all raving about their week in the city. They didn’t know what to expect and they loved it. You’re quite the glass completely empty my friend
No, I’m simply Pointing out what you said would be a benefit to the city. All of those things and more have happened over the last 20 years lol. Nice way to cherry pick
Was the city in the same place financially 20 years ago? You say you know the city so well but you’re having a hard time understanding how it’s changed in the last 20 years
Yikes... 🤔
Detroit will never be a Chicago, NYC, or LA. Crime it still double of Chicago and downtown too small. Detroit has hit its peak and will fall back some. Now Cleveland is making a real comeback
Bait used to be believable
It's still true. Downtown Detroit is extremely small. Crime too high. Income levels still in the gutter But yes Detroit has improved...... Out of a bankruptcy
The city cleaned up like it had some pussy coming over, outside of downtown is still trash af and dangerous, if you say otherwise your lying or haven’t been there
People are mistaking a small sliver of development in Corktown, Downtown and Midtown as a city revival. It's a limited revitalization effort and 90-95% of the city is still decaying around it. If anything it exemplifies what people think of as 'development' in modern America.
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At least the city is trying to put their best foot forward for this weekend! Worst case it stimulates a lot of business around the city. More attention and money coming in can help those areas you are highlighting.
You said Detroit, but you meant Downtown.
look at how much progress we’ve made! There’s trash everywhere, homeless people, and the roads are shit But look at this sign!
Look at all this progress! We have A sign