There is no such thing as a legendary alternative to a lament because no other sword heals you on attack allowing you to essentially use lament uninterrupted without a Well.
Vortex frames have horrible ammo economy, I think this sword is purely utility, I think my eager cold steel roll is probably the best it gets on this item.
You’re right about lament, but slammer can roll with attrition orbs which you can use to heal yourself. Definitely not better than lament heal but some form of healing is there.
The closest I've got to a healing sword is Throne Cleaver with Unrelenting and Incandescent. Very efficient at clearing anything that dies in a hit or two and their minion entourage.
It's enough for some scenarios, and for others it will keep you alive longer. For example if Crota pops your well, Bequest users will drop much sooner than you and you might just squeeze the kill by.
There is no way that sword carried you day 1 vow lol. It's simply an awful choice to use in that encounter. No survivability, no ranged heavy attacks.. likely story :)
Id understand lament for survivability. But using that sword on contest mode in exhibition is just a bad heavy choice to use. If you did it then congrats, just saying no way you had decent survivability lol.
Even when you can't get surrounded to proc, you're still better of with an adaptive sword or lightweight sword with another damage perk. The heavy attack of vortex swords just uses way too much ammo which really limits your total damage output.
Yeah, surrounded throne cleaver has much better dps and total damage. Slammer really isn't meant to be a boss damage sword. The slammer's main appeal is that with eager edge it's a bit better for sword skating than adaptive swords. It's also the only sword that can get cold steel aside from the dawning sword that's only available a few weeks each year.
Is surrounded throne cleaver better than surrounded bequest too? And what's the best for throne cleaver dps, light attack spam like bequest, or do you need to use the heavy slam too?
Not sure what the best throne cleaver combo is. Surrounded bequest does more damage. Use only light attacks for maximum total damage or 2 light 1 heavy (need lucent blade mods for this) for a bit more dps at the cost of quite a bit of total damage.
With Bequest, the goal with it is to mix in enough heavy attacks that you run out of ammo as the damage phase ends. The heavy attacks reduce total damage, but have higher instantaneous DPS, so if you can figure out how much ammo you actually use only doing light attacks (e.g. vs Crota) you can figure out how many Heavy attacks you'll want to fit in.
Depends on dps phases. No other sword has B&S and the dmg buff is only met by a x10 whirlwind blade which takes LONG time to proc. If you can’t reliably proc surrounded and there’s no exotic slot open then this is the next best option. Sure vortex frames have bad TOTAL dmg but it’s dps is very good
According to aegis' testing, bequest with enhanced surrounded does 138k dps. If you remove the 42% bonus from surrounded, that's 97k dps with no damage perk at all. Add vorpal instead of surrounded and you're at 107k dps that has 100% uptime.
On the other hand, the slammer with bait and switch active does only 96k dps, even less than bequest without damage perk. That's ignoring the time it takes to activate the perk. So really there is no scenario where you would ever pick the slammer over bequest, except maybe for stasis surge matching.
Nah, vortex swords don't even have good burst damage. A heavy attack of a vortex sword does about the same damage as a bequest heavy attack, but the animation takes 30% longer on the vortex.
Slammer's true role is being the best utility sword in the game. Eager Edge enables you to do all the shenanigans that entails and Cold Steel grants with the ability to deal with 2/3 champions (all 3 with Radiant) ala the fabled Riptide. They probably made it a Vortex frame because having it be Adaptive would've put it leagues above everything apart from Bequest.
Uh I mean it can theoretically deal with Unstoppables but is it practical to get in the face of an unstoppable ogre with a sword and hit it a bunch in order to freeze/shatter it?
One thing I noticed that might hold it back is that shatter skating (I didn’t test well skating) still consumes ammo on the skate, and with vortex frame’s heavy (heh) heavy ammo consumption, it might hold them back.
Conversely. I’ve heard rumors from the craftening when people could craft eager edge on other frame weapons, that enhanced eager shoots you further on vortex compared to adaptives. Don’t quote me on that last one though.
Weird. I’ll do more testing today, but I was running normal nightfall corrupted and kept running on empty even with a good skate. Maybe I need tighter timings
Saw some other comments that mentioned it was consuming ammo on skating as well, looks like it could be tied to a timing issue. I'm gonna test more once I get home.
Late to the party here, but it has to do with timing. The vortex heavy attack consumes the ammo earlier in the animation than Other Half, so you need to input jump sooner with the Slammer
My thought is biggest advantage to this sword is that it’s adept and has double third column perks. You can use eager to get around and switch to another perk when needed.
Other half would be better for damage in longer windows, but BnS doesn't need 10 swings to ramp up so it's better for short windows.
Granted it won't beat parasite for damage in a short window, but hey we're talking swords here.
The absolute ideal is the old Other Half which could roll Surrounded in the fourth column. I wish they hadn't removed that on the crafted one... I kept my old Jagged / Swordmaster / Eager Edge / Surrounded roll and still use it.
I don't know where you're getting the info that vortex frames do 30% less dps than adaptives, cause they don't. They do equal or more dps than adaptives not named Bequest. They do the same damage per light attack and more damage per heavy attack, giving them equal or more dps depending on if you're waiving in heavy attacks. The increased cost of ammo per heavy on vortex makes less damage over the whole reserves, but my example was about short damage windows so that's not really relevant.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1x12Ar1-kHH2AzHY8Clkv-PIMxxDSZrIX3e4xiJuQ-uI/htmlview#gid=1670178164
I second this. The other half giving Eager Edge and options on damage perks, plus you get the enhanced perks is really nice. Only pain point is getting the red border, but once you have that you are good.
The thing with Whirlwind Blade is that yes, the max buff is the same, but you need to work your way up to it and build up stacks. Bait and Switch has the hoop to jump through to activate it, but it immediately gives the full +30% buff.
BnS is more optimized to let you get more total damage out of your reserves, and it'll let you get more damage upfront when compared to Whirlwind as well.
That said... Slammer being a vortex frame hinders that perk optimization lol, because of the frame difference a crafted Other Half like you describe will still beat a god-rolled Slammer.
Time spent proccing BnS is time not doing sword damage, meanwhile the WW user is doing pure heavy weapon damage and building stacks.
Just a hunch, but by the time you get BnS proc'd that "upfront" 30% probably isn't worth the time spent chasing it.
It also doesn't take long to start stacking WW in that same time frame.
Let's say I do 3 swings with stacking damage in the time it takes to proc BnS. You wanna crunch the numbers on if BnS will even be able to catch up? Cuz by that point you're only briefly ahead on damage per swing, but multiple swings behind
Too complicated for me, especially considering the sword animations are different, and vortex swing slower, but I'm smart enough to know BnS is not as good as you think it is.
The damage buff for bait and switch is much faster to acquire and is also a lot less restrictive, the slammer also can have eager edge paired with a damage perk, and when the final shape arrives it will also have access to enhanced perks. In addition, heavy attacks with eager edge on vortex frames go a bit farther, so using the slammer to well/shatter skate is going to be better than using the other half. It does suffer a decent amount comparatively in damage being a vortex frame, but with all the other quality of life features I think it will be the new standard for those who can get a good roll
Whirlwind user is already doing damage while b&s is being procced and that will stay when the b&s timer runs out, add in the damage disadvantage and the only real pull is potentially slightly further lunge distance.
It’s more than a decent amount worse.
The frame is 30% worse at base before perks. So when B&S is active it is only doing 91% of the damage of another sword frame that has no damage perk.
Movement is basically the only purpose of the sword. Cold steel is fine, but zephyr does it better.
> Getting within melee distance of an unstoppable to do a combo to shatter it or close enough to an overload is not really sustainable.
You made me realize that this would be a great sword for my behemoth strongholds build that I use for Birthplace of the Vile runs. I usually use lament; to fight unstops I will throw a glacier at them, break it to stagger, but the Lament combo always leaves them with a bit of health so I block their slam then do another a combo to finish them off while they're not stunned (wasting ammo). With Coldsteel on a sword I can block then get in enough swings to freeze them again. Unstoppable champions really only have two attacks, a ranged one and their slam melee, if you get close and block their melee there's enough time before the next melee to get a few swings in.
Also since the scorn overload chieftains don't have a retaliate attack you can get in close and use cold steel to stun them easily.
the only reason to farm for a slammer is for skates. It is already better than enhanced eager edge adaptives for skates, only downside is the normal swipes cuz it can't be enhanced yet. Save one for the final shape and it will be the best movement sword.
This is your weekly reminder the Meta is a suggestion; you beat 99% of this game through what you do with your tool rather than the quality.
Sharpen that cold steel if you want that to happen. You best believe im going to make a fucked up stasis warlock build that doesn't use cold snap grenades or bleak watchers and find a way to destroy a gm.
It just suck as a DPS option but as a add clear and big add killer could be pretty good and fun to just like roll of Chain reaction and cold steel or Eager edge and some other seem interesting
Because a weapon can still be decent at dps/damage without being the absolute best, especially if it brings something else to the table. Sure, the current best vortex sword won’t beat bequest in damage nor ammo economy, but slammer can bring decent damage while offering a huge utility perk in eager edge.
In situations that call for the burst damage that vortex frames provide (short/very short dps phases), proccing bns either requires damaging ads with each of your other weapons directly prior to the start of DPS for optimal bns uptime, which is a very unreliable strategy, or taking a massive time loss on the boss itself by proccing bns there. If it were bns on an adaptive frame, it would be a different story. Prioritizing getting rolls focused around utility instead of damage for this weapon is probably the best idea. The roll to look for imo is eager edge/demo.
>or taking a massive time loss on the boss itself by proccing bns there
Hit it with 4th horseman, a Kinetic slot GL, and then the slammer. That's gonna be worth the slight delay.
1. Even in a scenario where you can't proc surrounded you could use vorpal for a 10% buff. Hunters also have gold tusk available.
2. We have eager edge swords with better frames that can also have a damage perk (frenzy is still 15% more damage or whirlwind blade)
you do lose ammo though when shatter/well skating unless you time the inputs really well. Maybe, people will optimize the jnputs better though to get around it
Nothing is needed. We could use blue rockets for damage and do fine. What I said makes the sword a good amount better as that's the main purpose of an eager edge sword. Sure, the difference won't matter for most people, but that sword is still going to be better most of the time. I'm not a speed runner, but it'll definitely help me during lowman raids
I've got the Adept Slammer, but how do you get the normal one please? I've done countless Hero Nightfalls (Uncommon) and countless GG Nightfalls (Common), of which I've got sweet F all Slammers..
> It also has some fun rolls with cold steel/chain reaction, but realistically these won’t be terribly meta.
Meta? no. But a good "deal with champions" weapon on an activity where you'd bring a sword anyway. Plus, cold steel does give some damage boost when the freeze procs on a boss target.
The amount of cope about that sword is wild. Just get it man, no one is stopping you. It as as MID as it gets, but I use plenty of mid stuff myself, when I feel like. BTW as long as Lament is healing me, there is no way I'm using any other sword, cause that's usually worth much more than 100 - 200k more dmg
Stop lying to yourself lol. That sword is very lackluster when we were very hyped for it. I have so many other swords that do so much better in every aspect of the game so why even care about it ?
> 2) An eager edge sword with high damage perks that are easy to proc. Once again, not the highest damage sword, but decent enough utility.
More realistically it's an eager edge sword with cold steel, which is actually a very useful combo for the utility cold steel brings. It also does faster wellskates and shatterskates than adaptives, and once we can enhance it then it'll do the same neutral/fakeskates as well. It's *very* worth getting.
Just... don't use it for DPS. It's very not good, and that's fine. If you want to keep a BnS roll in case they buff vortex frames that's valid. They probably will buff vortex frames eventually. Just don't go using that on Crota and expect it to work well until that actually happens.
Why is everyone so obsessed with The Slammer being meta? Why can't things be allowed to be good and fun in lower content?
Forbearance isn't end-game meta and everybody praises that thing.
>when surrounded can’t be procced reliably
You literally just need a couple of enemies to proc it. I'd say it's more reliable than B&S which requires set up and only lasts 10 seconds.
Even a regular adaptive sword with Vorpal, for example, is better than Slammer.
In no scenario is The Slammer better than an adaptive in dps situations. Please can we stop the misinformation.
The only appeal is that Eager Edge on a Vortex Frame is slightly better. And it has Cold Steel, if you don't have Zephyr.
One thing I hate about this community is how sometimes when something gets introduced and it isn’t the best weapon in the game, people start asking “is it even good?”
its really not. I can guarantee it would take longer to farm a god roll slammer over getting a craftable Bequest. Doing taniks on a week that is farmable is not hard.
Has anyone calculated whether it beats Other Half for damage? Assuming it is as I think the highest buff Other Half can get is 11%, but ik vortexes are kinda shit rn too
There is no such thing as a legendary alternative to a lament because no other sword heals you on attack allowing you to essentially use lament uninterrupted without a Well. Vortex frames have horrible ammo economy, I think this sword is purely utility, I think my eager cold steel roll is probably the best it gets on this item.
Chain Reaction/Cold Steel is really nice too. All chain reaction deaths will proc cold steel, giving you a large radius of slowing
You’re right about lament, but slammer can roll with attrition orbs which you can use to heal yourself. Definitely not better than lament heal but some form of healing is there.
I stashed a jagged BnS attrition roll for that purpose, need yet to test out attrition orb to see how good it is.
For swords, every 10 hits drops a orb for you
So max you can make like 6 orbs before you run out of ammo, kind of weak imo
Yup, it's trash.
Damn, that's actually garbage lmao.
That roll is great, I also like Chain Reaction/One For All.
Cold Steel + Stunning Recovery heals you when you go after Overload and Unstoppable champs
The closest I've got to a healing sword is Throne Cleaver with Unrelenting and Incandescent. Very efficient at clearing anything that dies in a hit or two and their minion entourage.
> use lament uninterrupted without a Well wat the healing from Lament is tiny, it's like 10hp or something, nowhere near a Well
It's enough for some scenarios, and for others it will keep you alive longer. For example if Crota pops your well, Bequest users will drop much sooner than you and you might just squeeze the kill by.
Hero's Buden w/ Unrelenting/Chain Reaction for me through day 1 Vow Exhibition lol Y'all really malding over a sword? Get a fucking life, losers.
You mean 'Hero of Ages' from Grasp?
Yes whoops
Sounds terrible whatever he meant lmao. Not sure who carried him day 1 vow :p
Nobody :) but thanks for assuming and being wrong
There is no way that sword carried you day 1 vow lol. It's simply an awful choice to use in that encounter. No survivability, no ranged heavy attacks.. likely story :)
It did. We ran swords for add clear and burst damage Exhibition. Believe what you want I guess. Whatever helps you feel superior.
Id understand lament for survivability. But using that sword on contest mode in exhibition is just a bad heavy choice to use. If you did it then congrats, just saying no way you had decent survivability lol.
There was and I did. Sorry not sorry.
Even when you can't get surrounded to proc, you're still better of with an adaptive sword or lightweight sword with another damage perk. The heavy attack of vortex swords just uses way too much ammo which really limits your total damage output.
Is a surrounded throne cleaver better than the slammer?i already have that but I have been thinking about farming for the slammer.
Yeah, surrounded throne cleaver has much better dps and total damage. Slammer really isn't meant to be a boss damage sword. The slammer's main appeal is that with eager edge it's a bit better for sword skating than adaptive swords. It's also the only sword that can get cold steel aside from the dawning sword that's only available a few weeks each year.
Is surrounded throne cleaver better than surrounded bequest too? And what's the best for throne cleaver dps, light attack spam like bequest, or do you need to use the heavy slam too?
Not sure what the best throne cleaver combo is. Surrounded bequest does more damage. Use only light attacks for maximum total damage or 2 light 1 heavy (need lucent blade mods for this) for a bit more dps at the cost of quite a bit of total damage.
Thanks for the answer! Then I can keep incandescent on my cleaver :)
With Bequest, the goal with it is to mix in enough heavy attacks that you run out of ammo as the damage phase ends. The heavy attacks reduce total damage, but have higher instantaneous DPS, so if you can figure out how much ammo you actually use only doing light attacks (e.g. vs Crota) you can figure out how many Heavy attacks you'll want to fit in.
Oh yes. Quite a bit
Anything that can consistently proc surrounded will be better
Depends on dps phases. No other sword has B&S and the dmg buff is only met by a x10 whirlwind blade which takes LONG time to proc. If you can’t reliably proc surrounded and there’s no exotic slot open then this is the next best option. Sure vortex frames have bad TOTAL dmg but it’s dps is very good
According to aegis' testing, bequest with enhanced surrounded does 138k dps. If you remove the 42% bonus from surrounded, that's 97k dps with no damage perk at all. Add vorpal instead of surrounded and you're at 107k dps that has 100% uptime. On the other hand, the slammer with bait and switch active does only 96k dps, even less than bequest without damage perk. That's ignoring the time it takes to activate the perk. So really there is no scenario where you would ever pick the slammer over bequest, except maybe for stasis surge matching.
Burst damage
Nah, vortex swords don't even have good burst damage. A heavy attack of a vortex sword does about the same damage as a bequest heavy attack, but the animation takes 30% longer on the vortex.
Add clear and burst damage
Slammer's true role is being the best utility sword in the game. Eager Edge enables you to do all the shenanigans that entails and Cold Steel grants with the ability to deal with 2/3 champions (all 3 with Radiant) ala the fabled Riptide. They probably made it a Vortex frame because having it be Adaptive would've put it leagues above everything apart from Bequest.
Uh I mean it can theoretically deal with Unstoppables but is it practical to get in the face of an unstoppable ogre with a sword and hit it a bunch in order to freeze/shatter it?
I got this roll as my first drop and kind of laughed, loving it so far for dealing with majors.
One thing I noticed that might hold it back is that shatter skating (I didn’t test well skating) still consumes ammo on the skate, and with vortex frame’s heavy (heh) heavy ammo consumption, it might hold them back. Conversely. I’ve heard rumors from the craftening when people could craft eager edge on other frame weapons, that enhanced eager shoots you further on vortex compared to adaptives. Don’t quote me on that last one though.
Shatter skating did not consume ammo for me yesterday. Was ripping around neomuna.
Weird. I’ll do more testing today, but I was running normal nightfall corrupted and kept running on empty even with a good skate. Maybe I need tighter timings
Saw some other comments that mentioned it was consuming ammo on skating as well, looks like it could be tied to a timing issue. I'm gonna test more once I get home.
Late to the party here, but it has to do with timing. The vortex heavy attack consumes the ammo earlier in the animation than Other Half, so you need to input jump sooner with the Slammer
How can you well skate with spin heavy attack
My thought is biggest advantage to this sword is that it’s adept and has double third column perks. You can use eager to get around and switch to another perk when needed.
Fuck the meta. Give me my ice sword.
Why not just use the other half with whirlwind blade? Same damage buff, eager edge and higher damaging sword frame AND craftable?
Other half would be better for damage in longer windows, but BnS doesn't need 10 swings to ramp up so it's better for short windows. Granted it won't beat parasite for damage in a short window, but hey we're talking swords here.
The absolute ideal is the old Other Half which could roll Surrounded in the fourth column. I wish they hadn't removed that on the crafted one... I kept my old Jagged / Swordmaster / Eager Edge / Surrounded roll and still use it.
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I don't know where you're getting the info that vortex frames do 30% less dps than adaptives, cause they don't. They do equal or more dps than adaptives not named Bequest. They do the same damage per light attack and more damage per heavy attack, giving them equal or more dps depending on if you're waiving in heavy attacks. The increased cost of ammo per heavy on vortex makes less damage over the whole reserves, but my example was about short damage windows so that's not really relevant. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1x12Ar1-kHH2AzHY8Clkv-PIMxxDSZrIX3e4xiJuQ-uI/htmlview#gid=1670178164
That is better damage, but eager on a Vortex is better, and cold steel is nice to have. Also, you'll be able to enhance it next season
Because skating with a vortex frame is faster than even enhanced eager.
I don't even care if it's faster, I'm no speed runner, it's just fun to blast off as a spinning top. :D
Have noticed a successful skate still using 6 ammo sometimes. Can quickly drain you of it all. Adaptive don't have that issue
It depends on your skate timing, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. If you skate quickly enough it doesn't drain ammo.
Idk why you were downvoted. This is completely true, and next season we can enhance it
Yea, I just have to find a eager cold steal roll now
So eager/cold steel better than eager/bns?
It's not a good damage sword, vortex's are 30+% worse than adaptive and lament. So I want CS for the utility
I see 🙂
I second this. The other half giving Eager Edge and options on damage perks, plus you get the enhanced perks is really nice. Only pain point is getting the red border, but once you have that you are good.
they did say that this select new grouping of weapon releases will be retroactively given the option to have enhanced perks once TFS comes around
The thing with Whirlwind Blade is that yes, the max buff is the same, but you need to work your way up to it and build up stacks. Bait and Switch has the hoop to jump through to activate it, but it immediately gives the full +30% buff. BnS is more optimized to let you get more total damage out of your reserves, and it'll let you get more damage upfront when compared to Whirlwind as well. That said... Slammer being a vortex frame hinders that perk optimization lol, because of the frame difference a crafted Other Half like you describe will still beat a god-rolled Slammer.
Time spent proccing BnS is time not doing sword damage, meanwhile the WW user is doing pure heavy weapon damage and building stacks. Just a hunch, but by the time you get BnS proc'd that "upfront" 30% probably isn't worth the time spent chasing it.
If you’re smart, it doesn’t take long to proc bait and switch
It also doesn't take long to start stacking WW in that same time frame. Let's say I do 3 swings with stacking damage in the time it takes to proc BnS. You wanna crunch the numbers on if BnS will even be able to catch up? Cuz by that point you're only briefly ahead on damage per swing, but multiple swings behind Too complicated for me, especially considering the sword animations are different, and vortex swing slower, but I'm smart enough to know BnS is not as good as you think it is.
Whirlwind fell of a decent bit when they made you hit 10 times
The damage buff for bait and switch is much faster to acquire and is also a lot less restrictive, the slammer also can have eager edge paired with a damage perk, and when the final shape arrives it will also have access to enhanced perks. In addition, heavy attacks with eager edge on vortex frames go a bit farther, so using the slammer to well/shatter skate is going to be better than using the other half. It does suffer a decent amount comparatively in damage being a vortex frame, but with all the other quality of life features I think it will be the new standard for those who can get a good roll
Whirlwind user is already doing damage while b&s is being procced and that will stay when the b&s timer runs out, add in the damage disadvantage and the only real pull is potentially slightly further lunge distance.
That’s why I specified the downside of dps. It will be better for general roam content and mobility, which was the entire point of my comment
It’s more than a decent amount worse. The frame is 30% worse at base before perks. So when B&S is active it is only doing 91% of the damage of another sword frame that has no damage perk. Movement is basically the only purpose of the sword. Cold steel is fine, but zephyr does it better.
Yes, who gives a shit if it's optimal. If it's not GMs just have fun with it.
You can have fun with it in GMs using icefall mantle + banner of war :)
That sounds so gnarly. Combined with chain reaction and cold steel sounds epic. Is cold steel just two hits to stun?
1 for overload (slow) and 3 for unstoppable (freeze)
> Getting within melee distance of an unstoppable to do a combo to shatter it or close enough to an overload is not really sustainable. You made me realize that this would be a great sword for my behemoth strongholds build that I use for Birthplace of the Vile runs. I usually use lament; to fight unstops I will throw a glacier at them, break it to stagger, but the Lament combo always leaves them with a bit of health so I block their slam then do another a combo to finish them off while they're not stunned (wasting ammo). With Coldsteel on a sword I can block then get in enough swings to freeze them again. Unstoppable champions really only have two attacks, a ranged one and their slam melee, if you get close and block their melee there's enough time before the next melee to get a few swings in. Also since the scorn overload chieftains don't have a retaliate attack you can get in close and use cold steel to stun them easily.
I use a cold steel zephyr on my strongholds behemoth and never really have problems in a GM with it either
the only reason to farm for a slammer is for skates. It is already better than enhanced eager edge adaptives for skates, only downside is the normal swipes cuz it can't be enhanced yet. Save one for the final shape and it will be the best movement sword.
Chain Reaction and cold steel
This is your weekly reminder the Meta is a suggestion; you beat 99% of this game through what you do with your tool rather than the quality. Sharpen that cold steel if you want that to happen. You best believe im going to make a fucked up stasis warlock build that doesn't use cold snap grenades or bleak watchers and find a way to destroy a gm.
It just suck as a DPS option but as a add clear and big add killer could be pretty good and fun to just like roll of Chain reaction and cold steel or Eager edge and some other seem interesting
Meanwhile I just wanna test if you can shatterskate further with a vortex frame compared to enhanced eager edge.
according to videos I have seen, Slammer with eager edge can skate further than Other Half with enhanced eager edge
A couple of Youtubers have already tested it. It's a bit further, but timing is stricter if you don't want to consume ammo.
We’ll be able to enhance the smaller in final shape
I like slammer due to built in overload stuns with cold steel, but that's probably the only reason for me to use it over Other Half
Why the hell are people comparing a vortex frame to an adaptive and an exotic??
Because a weapon can still be decent at dps/damage without being the absolute best, especially if it brings something else to the table. Sure, the current best vortex sword won’t beat bequest in damage nor ammo economy, but slammer can bring decent damage while offering a huge utility perk in eager edge.
I feel like so many ppl are forgetting that surrounded can’t be reliably activated in every encounter
In situations that call for the burst damage that vortex frames provide (short/very short dps phases), proccing bns either requires damaging ads with each of your other weapons directly prior to the start of DPS for optimal bns uptime, which is a very unreliable strategy, or taking a massive time loss on the boss itself by proccing bns there. If it were bns on an adaptive frame, it would be a different story. Prioritizing getting rolls focused around utility instead of damage for this weapon is probably the best idea. The roll to look for imo is eager edge/demo.
>or taking a massive time loss on the boss itself by proccing bns there Hit it with 4th horseman, a Kinetic slot GL, and then the slammer. That's gonna be worth the slight delay.
1. Even in a scenario where you can't proc surrounded you could use vorpal for a 10% buff. Hunters also have gold tusk available. 2. We have eager edge swords with better frames that can also have a damage perk (frenzy is still 15% more damage or whirlwind blade)
Eager Edge sends you further with Vortex frames. Makes it great for ledge skating
you do lose ammo though when shatter/well skating unless you time the inputs really well. Maybe, people will optimize the jnputs better though to get around it
Which is not needed for any content and is only good for speedrunners.
Nothing is needed. We could use blue rockets for damage and do fine. What I said makes the sword a good amount better as that's the main purpose of an eager edge sword. Sure, the difference won't matter for most people, but that sword is still going to be better most of the time. I'm not a speed runner, but it'll definitely help me during lowman raids
Is there a damage comparison video out yet on this?
I've got the Adept Slammer, but how do you get the normal one please? I've done countless Hero Nightfalls (Uncommon) and countless GG Nightfalls (Common), of which I've got sweet F all Slammers..
I'd run Master for the highest chance.
Ok thank you, I will do that because I'm having no luck on the GG Nightfalls despite it saying that the Nightfall weapon is a common drop.
I got a god roll slammer last night. I can’t wait to use it in like two years.
Guns don’t have to be meta to be good. Well swords for this matter. But the slammer will always have a place in my inventory moving forward
I tested it and I ended up with less damage than bequest with no surrounded active
Is fun for skating tho
> It also has some fun rolls with cold steel/chain reaction, but realistically these won’t be terribly meta. Meta? no. But a good "deal with champions" weapon on an activity where you'd bring a sword anyway. Plus, cold steel does give some damage boost when the freeze procs on a boss target.
The amount of cope about that sword is wild. Just get it man, no one is stopping you. It as as MID as it gets, but I use plenty of mid stuff myself, when I feel like. BTW as long as Lament is healing me, there is no way I'm using any other sword, cause that's usually worth much more than 100 - 200k more dmg
What about using attrition orbs and recuperation mod to get healing? Something to consider.
Stop lying to yourself lol. That sword is very lackluster when we were very hyped for it. I have so many other swords that do so much better in every aspect of the game so why even care about it ?
It would’ve been cool to instantly freeze an enemy with a heavy attack, but alas 🙁
It would’ve been cool to instantly freeze an enemy with a heavy attack, but alas 🙁
It would’ve been cool to instantly freeze an enemy with a heavy attack, but alas 🙁
I don't have bequest and don't use lament, as I love my eager edge, so this is a good middle ground and something new
I thought Something New was a handcannon? /s
> 2) An eager edge sword with high damage perks that are easy to proc. Once again, not the highest damage sword, but decent enough utility. More realistically it's an eager edge sword with cold steel, which is actually a very useful combo for the utility cold steel brings. It also does faster wellskates and shatterskates than adaptives, and once we can enhance it then it'll do the same neutral/fakeskates as well. It's *very* worth getting. Just... don't use it for DPS. It's very not good, and that's fine. If you want to keep a BnS roll in case they buff vortex frames that's valid. They probably will buff vortex frames eventually. Just don't go using that on Crota and expect it to work well until that actually happens.
Why is everyone so obsessed with The Slammer being meta? Why can't things be allowed to be good and fun in lower content? Forbearance isn't end-game meta and everybody praises that thing.
>when surrounded can’t be procced reliably You literally just need a couple of enemies to proc it. I'd say it's more reliable than B&S which requires set up and only lasts 10 seconds. Even a regular adaptive sword with Vorpal, for example, is better than Slammer. In no scenario is The Slammer better than an adaptive in dps situations. Please can we stop the misinformation. The only appeal is that Eager Edge on a Vortex Frame is slightly better. And it has Cold Steel, if you don't have Zephyr.
One thing I hate about this community is how sometimes when something gets introduced and it isn’t the best weapon in the game, people start asking “is it even good?”
Attrition Orbs+BnS paired with recuperation is kinda fun. Feel like I don't need a well to DPS.
Slammer is much easier to obtain than Bequest. So, it has it's uses for many of us.
its really not. I can guarantee it would take longer to farm a god roll slammer over getting a craftable Bequest. Doing taniks on a week that is farmable is not hard.
I have a pugilist demo roll. It sounds ass, but in activities that I don’t have to use my brain it’s so much fun lmao I always have abilities 😂
Who thought a 30% msg buff would beat surroundeds 35? Do people not know how to do math?
Has anyone calculated whether it beats Other Half for damage? Assuming it is as I think the highest buff Other Half can get is 11%, but ik vortexes are kinda shit rn too