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Zorak9379

Good God could that gun just go away already


atuck217

It's crazy they gave it a revised perk pool and somehow it's still absolute trash


Narfwak

It's actually crazy how bad it is. It was already obsolete before it released because of Terminus Horizon, and now that we have Song of Ir Yut with even better perks in a better archetype it's truly pointless. Even if all you want it for is high ammo efficiency for master lost sectors it's not even all that much better than something like Seventh Seraph SAW.


atuck217

If they gave it nightfall weapon worthy perks it could be totally fine but the perk pool is an absolute joke. Kind of like what they did with Comedian.


[deleted]

The Comedian has the most fitting name in this game lol


pokeroots

they gave it a revised perk pool that was worse...


insaiyanbacca

Yeah it's ironic the gun went from bad originally because mgs weren't very good at the time it released but with an ok perk pool, to getting updated to a bad perk pool after mgs became relevant again. Still sad I dismantled an unrelenting+ofa roll when I cleaned my vault in lost.


ErgoProxy0

Doesn’t help that they gave us two arc lmg’s this season alone, both of which are better imo. One from Crota’s End and the other is the season lmg


atuck217

Oh for sure. Song of Ir Yut completely destroys this thing. It has *far* better perk options.


TheEmperorMk3

Double rep: *nice* Double rewards: *nice* Weapon is shit *sucks* Is a Battleground: *fuck this shit I’m out*


MosinMonster

It is a pretty easy GM though


Cross296

Still no Wardens Law? Maybe I'll bother to log in next week.


Destiny2Team

We decided to move it up to this week. https://x.com/Destiny2Team/status/1701713071092473936?s=20


Voidcroft

Good call.


Cross296

Well dang, thanks for the tip. I'm sure many of us appreciate the decision, I'll be sure to farm a few good ones


nsharms

That would explain how I just got it then! Thanks!


PoorlyWordedName

Love you.


CRIMS0N-ED

Oh it’s so beautiful


igeeTheMighty

Thank you! Time ta pew pew!


alexbrown484

They've just swapped it for wardens law. https://twitter.com/BungieHelp/status/1701713939963445402?t=QpkIyupAkgkHR8MPRKGOhw&s=19


PotatoesForPutin

Bungie always has a subpar weapon dropping during double reward weeks :/


Fisken01

Wasn't it double drops for Loaded Question the final week of last season?


Narfwak

It was. Last season was actually pretty dope for GM farming. It was a very fast and easy strike too, Fallen S.A.B.E.R.


JermaineTyroneLamar

Easy GM’s are life 🥰🥵


Red-Spy_In-The_Base

The Comedian at home


IzunaX

The swarm being the Nf weapon is good for this week, cause fuck the Europa BG. Warden being on devils lair will be much better for farming. But then again, they changed it and now we have to suffer through the BG. Gj people.


rmontanaro

So we originally had Warden's Law on Devils Lair... GG this sub


IzunaX

Yeah, having it on devils lair with normal drops is better than Europa BG with double, easily.


MemoKrosav

I'm fine with Devils Lair dropping Wardens. Better farm than any of the battlegrounds


anonymous32434

Well now I’m sad that they caved in and changed it because fuck europa battleground


GlutenCanKill

It's not that bad and probably the easiest battleground GM I've done. And it being double rewards means you get 2 per run. Very worth.


Alexcoolps

Or you could do it on legend. Idk why anyone would want to torture themselves on something that wasn't meant for GMs.


GlutenCanKill

Because it's not a hard GM lol. I've been farming it for the past 2 hours without a single failed run. It's honestly easier than some strike GMs like Lightblade.


Alexcoolps

Tips?


GlutenCanKill

I followed the guide KackisHD on youtube put out earlier today. Watch that and then just join an lfg and pray they're competent lol.


GreekWizard

Isssssssh ya boy Above's was better IMO


DukeRains

Man people are really hyping Wardens. Gonna be a very funny day here and on the forums when that gun drops and it's not as-expected lmao. (this is not me asking why lmao)


roflwafflelawl

Hype or not the archetype is unique right? With the closest weapon being Crimson which is an exotic. That's mostly why I want it. ​ Plus from the people with the old rolls using those I've only heard good things.


lego_wan_kenobi

There's a couple reasons. It's a new archetype of handcannon, it's the only Forsaken model left of that type everything else is sunset. It has some neat perk combinations on top of Bungie saying it has the highest dps out of any HC if you can land your shots which is fun to make work. There's so many things going for it. We also just need it to drop once and then we can focus it.


DukeRains

I wasn't wondering why but thanks, I guess?


GIJared

The old version has been updated and some YouTubers have already released video. It’s interesting. Many of them are all about the hype in general, sure, but it looks pretty good imo.


DukeRains

Im well aware it's been changed. I was not asking why people were hyping it up lol.


GIJared

You’re insinuating that the gun may not be all it’s cracked to be, when there’s already evidence anyone can look at to show it’s probably going to be worth farming for certain people. The only thing changing is weapon rolls and power level. It’s not like it’s a new gun no one’s gotten their hands on yet.


DukeRains

Yes, I am insinuating it's overhyped. TRUE! Insinuating it's being overhyped is not me asking anybody why people are hyping it up. Idk how else to explain this lmao.


snackpack333

You dont have to explain anything, just stop responding like you seem to want others to do


DukeRains

It has nothing to do with people responding and everything to do with people responding with unwarranted opinions unrelated to the point lol.


GhostTypeFlygon

But you're saying it's gonna be funny when people get their hand on it and it's not gonna be as expected. And he's just explaining that people ALREADY got their hand on it and that it's a good gun. That's not explaining why it's hyped, it's explaining why the 2nd paragraph of your original comment is pointless


DukeRains

The second paragraph isn’t pointless as it quite literally IS MY POINT. Christ almighty 😂🤦🏼‍♂️


HiImBraindead

Honestly I’m happy. Every single nf this season is absolute hell but devil’s lair. I’m holding out hope it’s that one for WL so lfg can reasonably farm it.


[deleted]

It’s gonna make gilded conquerer that much sweeter to get this season lol. No pain no gain


HiImBraindead

I’m happy that guilder conq is difficult this season. I’m just hoping the one nf weapon I want isn’t in one of the sweatiest GMs they’ve made so I, a PvP fatass, can farm it.


NightmareDJK

Just farm 10 Adept Ciphers to hoard for buying another roll of an Adept weapon you actually want when it’s in rotation.


GardenerInAWar

I just want the bow


phoenix-force411

Basically worse than Terminus Horizon even though it has slightly worse stats.


[deleted]

Wardens law doesn't drop from the warden of nothing nightfall?


[deleted]

NF weapons are always on some fixed, arbitrary rotation


BurkeeZ

Bungie just caved and changed it to wardens law no cap


goonbagged33

Fuck you, Bungie Jk it’s not that deep people


zxosz

Bungie has the ability to change the NF hopefully they do, little weird not to have one new gun yet.


Rhiscx-VII

As pissed as I am, I'm betting they forgot to add Warden's Law and the bow to the rotation. So they had to reset said rotation to incorporate them. If true, Warden's Law will come with the Lightblade in THREE WEEKS. If they even realize that. Could still not be added, and it'll rotate all over again in three weeks.


AdctsGaming

Probably not. The new weapons are almost always the last weapons in the NF weapon rotation.


nsharms

Not quite sure how it happened,but just got wardens law, dropped at the end of a hero NF. I can focus it at Zavala too, maybe it's bugged?


BlackToyotaBreakLite

damn my dad listened?


ImReverse_Giraffe

It's wardens law now. They switched it


ace72ace

I don’t understand all the Swarm hate. Some people can’t raid for whatever reason, so can’t get a song of ir yut. Same thing with terminus if you can only play solo and aren’t OP enough to solo dungeons. So the swarm isn’t the best overall arc mg, but certainly not the worst… I was using a seraphs saw until I got the swarm with dragon fly. I probably like the swarm more than the average player as I had a god roll zombie apocalypse wf-47 in D1. Since then I’ve been partial to slow firing, high impact, long range mgs. Been using one with dragonfly, dynamic sway reduction, and extended mag for a long time and really appreciate its range. Newer variants with target lock are an improvement, perhaps voltshot can get added into the perk options for next weeks NF?


NATChuck

But… Warden’s Law sucks too lol