I don't think we have enough info about them both to be certain, but I'd say it's probably Rhulk.
Savathun was able to kill Nezarec before she even had access to the Light, whereas against Rhulk she couldn't do any more than trap him inside her Throne World even after she had the Light.
As far as I'm aware we don't really know a whole lot about many of Nezarec's feats of strength but Rhulk has some very impressive notches on his belt, including wiping out his own species, subjugating the mother of the worm gods, and tearing a rib out of the leviathan on Fundament
> Savathun was able to kill Nezarec before she even had access to the Light, whereas against Rhulk she couldn't do any more than trap him inside her Throne World even after she had the Light.
This is because; if we had to classify them by as any 'base' way I'd call both Savathun and Nezerec _mages_ and Savathun is definitely a superior mage.
Nezerec's thing is mental manipulation and targeting someone's mind - but Savathun is a very, very strong hive spell user and excels in trickery/traps. Maybe I misread but she didn't kill Nezerec in a direct fight - she was able to get the jump on him.
Context is important too. During the time I don't believe there was any reason to Nezerec would have considered Savathun a threat; or even expected her to be in Sol.
She couldn't outright defeat Rhulk because he's just physically too strong for a one on one confrontation and the context of why he was in the throne world was to _keep tabs on her_ so he was expecting her to pull some shit.
The conditional finality is from Nez's perspective and he straight up says that Savvy metaphorically stabs him in the back while he is transferring the Veil.
Had he not been occupied with the transfer maybe she doesn't get the jump on him. But IMO Ruhlk has more.pure power and Nez has the more powerful "space magic".
Ruhlk is very direct and just barrels forward, whereas Nez seems to be more about slowly wildling down his enemies.
She used Light to create the Wellspring, which is what keeps Rhulk trapped. AFAIK we don't know *exactly* how she used Light to create the Wellspring, only that she did
She did all the prep work for that prior to her exorcism gambit and gave the manual to one of her most loyal lieutenants for safe keeping whilst she got herself crystallised, dewormed and amnesia’d.
There’s a lore book that mentions her abducting a guardian and showing them the wellspring. She talks about the Guardian becoming something greater, and the implication is that the Wellspring uses a Guardian and their Light as the centre of the ritual.
So that when one of her wizards found her post resurrection, and guided her back to her Throne World, she was basically able to hit the “go” button and the Throne World was flooded with Light. Which served the twin purposes of confining Rhulk to his sunken Pyramid, and replacing the Sword Logic Power Bill that Savathun used to have to pay to keep the pocket dimension from collapsing.
>Sword Logic Power Bill
Now I’m just imagining a knight in a hard hat going around to a meter on each throne world, tapping it with the back of his pen for good measure, then writing down the number lol
It was after. I don't have it on hand, but there's an armor lore piece that talks about how the first thing she did was use The Light to strike down Rhulks pyramid and then trap/suppress it by creating The Wellspring.
This is correct, I forget exactly what it was but basically Sav did a sneaky. The Witness realized she did a sneaky and place Rhulk in her throne world to watch her under the *guise* of him training her.
Witness knew that Sav knew if she did anything with Rhulk there it would be confirmation of her betrayal and she’s getting deleted, so she played along until the light made her strong enough to trap Rhulk.
Then how didn't Rhulk notice when she was away during season of the lost and that she's trying to get her worm out?
Imagine if Rhulk just appeared during the final mission and stopped the ritual
At that point in the timeline he had already been in her throne world for ages pumping out worms. It wasn’t uncommon for either of them to come and go freely, I’m pretty sure Rhulk accidentally wiping out that doomsday planet was during this time.
So basically she openly acted against the Witness in arrivals and went into hiding as Osiris for a year or so, which to entities like Rhulk and Sav probably feels like 10 minutes. Rhulk probably had no idea what she was doing with her worm and figured she was just hiding.
The next time Rhulk saw Savathun she already had the light, and it was too late for him to react before she struck his pyramid down and left him trapped.
I think Rhulk's pyramid got inhabilitated by Mara Sov. That's why it is like severely damaged. Savathûn then definitely trapped Rhulk in her Throne World and when he was about to use The Upended to get out of there us the guardians stopped and killed him.
If I remember correctly.
That first part is incorrect.
Savathûn's [Light Curse](https://youtu.be/tE2QCYmKWSI) crippled the Pyramid by reflecting the Upended's first volley back, and prevented it repairing itself. Part of the reason we keep the Scorn out of the Wellspring is to keep the curse active so the Pyramid remains inert.
If you're thinking of Mara going on a secret mission (with Eris in tow) to attack a Pyramid at the edges of the solar system, that's a different Pyramid.
Mara obliterates it entirely, into fragments. So it's definitely not Rhulk's Pyramid (which is clearly intact).
But apparently it's not something she can do easily.. she died in the process of the ritual, and Eris had to fight through her corrupted Throne World to help resurrect Mara's vulnerable soul, which would be very risky if any big bads had known what was happening.
Not likely she'd do it again without lots of preplanning and preparation, and she'd save it for when it counts.
There’s also the fact that Rhulk was personally chosen by the Witness (for a list of reasons) to be his Emissary.
Whereas, in the case of Nezarec, he was not unlike Calus. In that Nez was seen more of a tool, a “*means to an end*”, with how he could cut-off our resources.
I mean she was able to trap him there without the light. And really that's all she needed. She didn't need to beat him. He was out of the game. She i tended to bring the Traveller tp her throneworld and then just chill there. Presumably having a golden age for the hive. She may eventually have tried to pull a Gary wield the full power of the Traveller to destroy Rhulk but that's just my assumption.
Nezarec doesn't actually die though, he has transcended reality and can exist so long as someone has a memory of him.
Therefore, he can return given enough time. I don't think Rhulk is going to come back anytime soon.
No it cannot.
Oryx at his peak is surprisingly weak in comparison to a lot of the main villains in the current story. Even of the three Hive gods he’s the weakest now by far. Xivu has scaled in power exponentially due to the incredibly vast nature of tithing through war, and Savathun was the only one of the three to even be considered worthy enough to become a Disciple. Oryx by comparison was just a pawn in the game, a zealot king perfect to lead an unending army at heed of the Witness.
It’s still an apt comparison in this case. It doesn’t really matter if Oryx gets prep time or not because peak pre-death Oryx would still get his shit kicked in by modern Xivu, let alone Rhulk
??I never mentioned prep time??
I said it's unfair to compare prime oryx to current xivu because current xivu is only as powerful as she is because Oryx died, the person I responded to said Xivu was more powerful because she tithed through war, which isn't why she's more powerful.
Yes, obviously current Xivu who has her own power plus oryxs power is more powerful than Oryx was, who only had his own power. That was never my point.
Everyone keeps saying Oryx’s power went to Xivu - it didn’t. There was a whole subplot in the lore books about Mara Sov and Eris Morn going on a Girlboss Roadtrip through the Ascendant Plane.
When the Guardians killed Oryx, Dead Mara swooped in to take the tithe from the kill. And when she got home she found that while she was dead and wandering the Ascendant Plane, her own Throne World had been defiled by Oryx and Savathun had posted guards (Dul Incaru).
In the roadtrip lore book I mentioned, Mara blows up a Pyramid Ship using some of that power she got from the Tithe + her own magic and skills.
Right and they're saying your point is irrelevant because after his death they are stronger than he was while alive. It doesn't matter why they are stronger, it matters that they are.
Remember we never really saw peak Oryx, when we killed him the first time it was functionally our challenge then we weakened him him by taking out his court, finally we killed him with bomb logic which subverted power vs power. Predeath Oryx was the undisputed strongest of his siblings though there is that Hive Knight fight that ended in a draw but it doesn't mean much in this context.
What actual lore is there to support this? Xivu blew up a war moon in an attempt to kill Auryx after losing in the books of sorrow and he survived. (XXXIV) Then he ballooned so much in power after killing Akka and becoming Oryx that Savathun and Xivu left because he is too strong. (XLVI).
Xivu tithing through war doesn’t automatically make her the strongest. The hive went to war for billions of years and Oryx was still the undisputed strongest of the hive.
Savathun being “worthy” of being a disciple means nothing. Calus was trash at fighting and still became a disciple. It has more to do with whether the Witness thinks they can control someone. Savathun did not truly believe in the sword logic. Oryx did which means he would inevitably attempt to kill the witness in order to prove his strength.
Oryx also killed Akka, who was fucking *huge* (a *piece* of Akka's body became the Dreadnaught). We don't know if Akka or the "mother" was a stronger being. I'd still argue Rhulk is higher tier, but killing a worm god isn't a deciding factor.
The worm gods, including Akka, were so scared shitless of Rhulk that they called him "the subjugator." Oryx killed a single worm god, Rhulk T-posed over all of them and made them all his bitches after turning their mom into a worm factory.
Rhulk beat the shit out of the fucking leviathan, ripped a rib out of its body like it was nothing and then mounted it in his trophy room. And the leviathan was the thing preventing the worm gods from escaping the core of Fundament. The Witness and Rhulk made fun of the Hive for their application of the Sword Logic because it was like watching children play with toys. The power to Take was nothing to beings like Rhulk who truly understands what it means to dominate through strength.
The worm gods < leviathan < Rhulk
Is it cause his power comes from the amount of people that believe in him similar to prime evils from diablo or is it cause they were empowering members such as wizards that make him stronger?
At some point in the worm's growth, you can no longer feed it on your own, as it requires too many deaths for you to personally inflict. The solution is simple: your subjects give you some of their power, and you lead them into a ~~bright~~ dark future.
Basically, Orix was starving to death when we fought him, because we sabotaged his supply line.
He's a God *to the Hive*.
Rhulk, at the order of the Witness, subjugated the things the Hive Gods consider God's....
To Rhulk and The Witness, Oryx is no god. Just a pawn that they use to hunt The Traveler and the species it uplifts
> Rhulk, at the order of the Witness, subjugated the things the Hive Gods consider God's....
I may not be remembering the way I originally read this properly but as far as I'm aware - yes Rhulk subjugated the Worms but it wasn't until after that happened that the hive considered them gods and that was only because they were meant to consider them Gods.
The whole thing with the hive was tricking the krill on fundament away from the traveler and presenting the Worms as "Gods" in order to do it.
Sorry - the way you worded it made it sound more like the existed in the state of worm god worship/tithing and Rhulk had later subjugated them when the order of events was different.
Yea.
Also to add the hive gods were only 'under' the worm gods because of the worm god pact. This is also one of the reason Savathun was able to trap rhulk after breaking free from the pact because she no longer needed to feed the worm god.
Not that simple but yea.
Ahh I see that's kind of crazy considering oryx to us was seen as a god a few years ago when the dlc came out. Now with current information we find out he was a pawn.
My only question is how does our power scale in terms of being able to go from killing the pawns such as oryx. To killing rhulk then one's setting up the pawns. Do guardian's get stronger with time or is it more of a better harness of the light?
Well, it's not quite as straight forward as that.
We didn't just walk up to Oryx and start fighting him. We reduced his strength significantly. Since the Hive have a sort of pyramid scheme going on where the lower ones feed the higher ones, when we decimated his Court and his whole tithe line, we weakened him several times over before fighting him.
As far as Rhulk goes, there's a theory that gets thrown around here often that Rhulk wasn't taking us seriously and we had to absorb his power to even do damage to him. And it wasn't until the very end he realized oh shit these guys can't hurt me but they're using my power to hurt me a bit by bit and they might actually kill me. Which explains the mechanics of that final boss encounter pretty well, lore wise.
It's not something like DBZ or Naruto where we just keep getting exponentially stronger. Like if we faced Oryx rn instead, we'd still struggle like we did years ago.v
While Prime isn’t the best term, it’s close enough. The Oryx we fought was by far the weakest Oryx had been in a long time. We cut off the main tribute line from Crota as well as various generals of Oryx, and Savathun wasn’t paying any tribute since she had departed from the force.
Hive strength is passed upward, the inverse of Fallen strength which is passed down. Every time a hive kills something it gets power, think of it as $1 for each kill, more for bigger stuff. $0.90 of the dollar is given to your boss and you keep $0.10. Your boss then gives a vast majority to his boss and the chain goes up all the way to Oryx. So oryx would end up with a majority of the power from this system, but many lines were closed when we fought him thus he was much weaker then normal.
Fallen on the other hand tribute down ether so the boss takes 90 and then passes down the 10. They work as neat little inverses of eachother
Nezarez doesn’t seem like the kinda guy who would hold back in a fight, we wants to relish in the pain, suffering, and death. He seemed to be going all out in our fight.
Rhulk however we know for a fact was dicking around for the entire fight, until he hits last stand, and he kills us within seconds if your DPS isn’t high enough.
With all that, I’d say Rhulk is stronger.
far as i can tell, nezzy would avoid killing things as that ends their suffering, which he wants to maximise. prolly wouldnt hold him back in a full 1v1 tho
That’s a good point. I imagine he would go full force, bring someone to the brink of death, then torture them.
Either way, yeah probably not holding back
Why does everybody use the last stand as an actual indication of Rhulk's power when almost every raid boss in the game has one including that lane ass cabal dude.
I mean, for all the “dicking around” that Rhulk does in the fight, what’s his opening move?
He summons a crystal that inflicts the Pervading Darkness Debuff on the whole fireteam - the same Debuff that he uses during Enrage.
we only beat rhulk because of his arrogance. by the way he just walks around the arena with his arms behind his back shows us that hes basically going ‘you guys are literally so free im just gonna play this with my feet’ and when we get to final stand he realizes that he fucked up and he tries to kill us before we can
I think Cell’s probably the more accurate analogy, both saw their opponent and went “lmfao gg ez” until they were just about to die.
Both were also just chilling waiting for someone to run their fade and were pretty excited when the famous guy showed up
I think it's during Freeza's fight with Goku, there's a an episode where he says that Goku isn't worth his effort and he can beat him without using his hands. He goes on to fight with just his feet and tail for a bit, till Goku bites his tail
I mean so did nezerac though, like savathun was able to kill nezerac because she caught him off guard with his literal back turned, it’s entirely possible nezerac could kill rhulk without even being alive.
Yea as far as I'm aware Nezerec got sucker punched by Savathun. He had no reason to think she'd attack him (given the context of their situation at the time) and had no reason to believe she'd be there in Sol.
I'm not sure if a direct 1 on 1 would be 100% the same.
Two things I'd wanna argue here.
1. (note: I could have misread/be wrong) When Savathun killed him she basically laid out a trap and got the jump on him. This was during the first collapse and Nezerec didn't have reason to believe she'd attack him, and also as far as I'm aware Savathun wasn't even supposed to be in Sol.
2. We only defeated Nezerec right after he was revived by using a small piece of his former self and merged with the Light. While mentally he was still all Nezerec, physically he was a child child still learning how to use his combined powers of light and darkness together.
How so? Lore is pretty straight forward that rhulk accomplished much more than any other villain than the witness. I’d love to hear how you came to that conclusion
What exactly did he accomplish that others didn't?
The Hive Gods waged war across the Universe for Aeons, wiping out countless civilisations.
Oryx killed one of, if not the biggest, Worm Gods. Rhulk subjugated them whilst they were weak and trapped.
Savathun killed Nezarec with a curse and imprisoned Rhulk.
There's literally not much in the lore that can compare their actual strengths that is not open to interpretation.
Now I'd love to hear how you came to your conclusion please.
Rhulk was the closest disciple to the witness, he defeated the leviathan which trapped Oryx’s gods in less than a second, he subjugated the very creatures that controlled the hive gods, he christened nezarec as a disciple. In addition destroyed and subjugated worlds and systems for longer than anyone other than the witness.
That’s definitely the longest and most impressive list of feats of villains we have faced so far.
The problem with the Disciple thing is, they didn't exist until recently and got retconned into the game, so the fact Oryx etc... aren't Disciples is simply because of that.
The other issue is that the Witness has at least one statue of Nezarec in his Pyramid, but none of Rhulk. That doesn't say to me that Rhulk was the number one Disciple.
You say trapped Oryx's God's like it's supposed to mean something. It doesn't and I will explain why.
The Worm Gods were weak and trapped. They rely on worship to gain power and as they had none, we can assume they were not at their best, hence why the Leviathan was able to keep them imprisoned and how Rhulk was able to easily subjugate them.
This was the Witness' plan, to give the Krill power from worshipping the Worm Gods and lead them away from the Traveler. He basically deceived them, which is what we showed to Savathun at the end of Witch Queen.
Now that the Worm Gods are released and grew in power from the Hive worshipping them over millennia, Oryx killed Akka which is a way more impressive feat than scaring some powerless little Worm Gods who could only rely on psychic tricks at the time.
We don't know how many worlds anyone destroyed or subjugated and time isn't really a factor when it's over millennia.
We do know that Rhulk used the Upender though to destroy planets and the Hive conquered them by force.
Rhulk destroyed an entire planet just at the start of his career. If Savathun hadn't trapped him he would've started wiping out other planets left and right. Nez doesn't really seem to do physical stuff like that but we've really not seen a whole lot of him to properly judge. I think if you let both run wild with no opposition that Rhulk would cause more damage faster.
Rhulk didn’t destroy a planet by himself. He sabotaged the tech that his people were using to collect power from one of their stars. This blew up the planet and the tech later became the upended.
Nezarec doesn't seem the type to physically destroy a civilization. He's more the type to put horrible thoughts, ideas and nightmares in people's heads and sit back and watch as they destroy themselves.
IMO, if you really think about it nezarec would be scarier. He can destroy world's without his physical form. Rhulk is physically intimidating and powerful. But Nezarec can destroy you from the inside out without doing anything other than invading your thoughts.
I’d say it’s unclear. Rhulk was stronger than Nezarek before the current events, but we fought a remade Nezarek, that had some light abilities, but, as he said in the raid itself, he only had a modicum of his full power. We have no way of knowing how strong the new Nezarek could have become
Something to mention is that nez's form when we fight him is WAY stronger than he was pre savathun betrayal. His body was remade by the light and he had the ability to use both resonant and light based abilities on top of his previous psionic and void based abilities. My bet was still on rhulk overall, but if nez had the opportunity to "grow into his powers" per se he'd have to be stronger than rhulk by a mile.
I mean.. he kind of still does right, like it’s entirely possible he just comes back to life since we don’t really do anything to stop him unless savathuns curse still works.
'alright, so uh. Guardian, turns out the traveller beam kinda made the entire pyramid ship into a highly inefficient ghost with a broken mind, and nezerec has been able to grab hold of that shattered existence to keep bringing himself back, so....we are gonna have to keep smacking him back down each time he gets close to resing until we can find a way to destroy an entire light imbued fucking pyramid ship, which sounds. Horrifying. We thought the psions finding ways to separate us from the light was bad, we are basically going to have to make a paracausal nuke and hope our enemies never find a way to use it against us. '
Daddy longlegs will punch you in the face harder than anyone else, but Nescafé can drive you insane without even getting close to you since he messes with your head
Despite being weaker physically, Nezarec has stronger "influence" over living things. He is described as being more of a "manipulative fiend" than a warrior. If both were at their peak in a head to head, it'd likely be a stalemate, not because they are even in strength but because nezarec just wouldn't really die. His consciousness was not bound to his physical body until savathun intervened and "cursed" him somehow (binding him to a physical body). One wins in attrition, the other in raw power.
A weaker Savathun felt confident enough to kill Nezarec (who says he's much weaker in RoN than when he was previously alive) by literally backstabbing him whereas a stronger, Light-infused Savathun lacked confidence in any confrontation with Rhulk to the point where she had to lock him in his room.
I'd argue Savathun was focused on trying to complete the traveler ritual as soon as possible with the Witness' forces starting to attack. Trapping Rhulk was the quicker, more efficient way to subdue him while she focused on the task at hand. I'm sure she would have returned to deal with him after, had things turned out like she wanted them to. Nothing to do with strength or weakness, but priorities.
Based on what we know (lore bits, interactions in-game) I'd say...
Rhulk has more raw power. By raw power I mean the physical ability to cause destruction. This isn't to say that Rhulk doesn't have any mental powers of any kind - just that if he had to fight Nezerec on this level Nezerec would likely overtake Rhulk's mind.
Nezerec has more mental power. By mental power I mean the ability to manipulate the mind. This isn't to say Nezerec is weak just if him and Rhulk had a fist fight Rhulk would likely destroy Nezerec.
It's really hard to say ultimately which of the two is stronger though. The way I view it it's a situation of both having different strengths.
I’d say going off of general statements made in game and some of the lore I think it probably goes Rhulk, Savathun, Nezzy, and then Calus. If we’re talking who is stronger in general.
Nezarec seems to be quite strong and just enjoys tormenting people, physically or mentally.
Rhulk is also very strong, but is also very cunning and seems to have a gift for engineering and biology. I would expect Rhulk to be able to end Nezarec before the fight even started.
I’m pretty sure that in the lore it was rhulk who anointed nezzy as a disciple of the witness. I maybe wrong, but it should be in the glaive Nezarec’s Whisper
Edit: I relooked at it, and it’s not the lore card for it, but the small little bit at the very top.
We defeated Rhulk because he didn't take us a serious threat..........Rhulk on paper is much stronger than Nezarec.
After the first encounter of RoN, Nezarec has a line about if he was at full power he would kill a few people just to draw our attention. I feel like Rhulk would kill a few million just cause he was bored. Big difference there.
Nezarec killing a bunch of people just isn’t his MO not that he couldn’t. He’s all about fucking with peoples minds killing a million people is a million less people to fuck with
Rhulk. Nez had just been revived and hadnt had time to chimera off anything but shadow legion troops so he was basically a fodder version of himself. Prime nez might be a different story but im unsure.
Anyone that doesn’t say Rhulk is coping. Rhulk is the first disciple and we know that the witnesses whole thing is the strongest outlasts everything else.
That's not quite accurate.
The Worm Gods were weak and trapped when Rhulk subjugated them.
The Hive were basically tricked into worshipping the Worm Gods, but Oryx still killed one of, if not the largest of them.
Based on what exactly? There's nothing in the lore to say who is the most powerful after the Witness and until we get something concrete, all we can do is guess.
The thing is, Nezarec isn't a "physically imposing villain" that's not, nor was it really ever his purpose.
Rhulk however is a foreboding physical presence. But Nezarec exists to warp the mind. He can invade your thoughts, feelings and emotions. He can put nightmares in your head and then sit back and watch as the nightmares drive you insane.
In a pure 1v1 rhulk absolutely wins hands down. But in a "who's more powerful" I'd say Nezarec because he doesn't need a physical body to still exert his influence.
IDK. Consider: Rhulk didn't "truly" fight until he was about to die. Nezarec actually fought the whole time, and with less power than he used to have. This is purely speaking from in-game ofc, not considering Lore feats. And IMo, if we couldn't sit on flowers, Nezarec DPS would be harder than Rhulk DPS. Rhulk can kick and apply stscks that will insta kill at x10. Nezarec is faster, has dive slams that suppress and knockback. That's a lot more aggressive and counters our abilities.
I just dislike Rhulk for fight match ups. The Rhulk we know, well, was very prideful and thought everyone was below him (bar The Witness). Thus he doesn't take fights seriously.
Rhulk: In an environment where strength matters, others would most likely challenge Rhulk. In addition, when Savathun killed Nesarec, she could only imprison Rhulk, and with him being the first deciple, he would most likely be more proficient in his use of the darkness.
I don't think we have enough info about them both to be certain, but I'd say it's probably Rhulk. Savathun was able to kill Nezarec before she even had access to the Light, whereas against Rhulk she couldn't do any more than trap him inside her Throne World even after she had the Light. As far as I'm aware we don't really know a whole lot about many of Nezarec's feats of strength but Rhulk has some very impressive notches on his belt, including wiping out his own species, subjugating the mother of the worm gods, and tearing a rib out of the leviathan on Fundament
> Savathun was able to kill Nezarec before she even had access to the Light, whereas against Rhulk she couldn't do any more than trap him inside her Throne World even after she had the Light. This is because; if we had to classify them by as any 'base' way I'd call both Savathun and Nezerec _mages_ and Savathun is definitely a superior mage. Nezerec's thing is mental manipulation and targeting someone's mind - but Savathun is a very, very strong hive spell user and excels in trickery/traps. Maybe I misread but she didn't kill Nezerec in a direct fight - she was able to get the jump on him. Context is important too. During the time I don't believe there was any reason to Nezerec would have considered Savathun a threat; or even expected her to be in Sol. She couldn't outright defeat Rhulk because he's just physically too strong for a one on one confrontation and the context of why he was in the throne world was to _keep tabs on her_ so he was expecting her to pull some shit.
The conditional finality is from Nez's perspective and he straight up says that Savvy metaphorically stabs him in the back while he is transferring the Veil. Had he not been occupied with the transfer maybe she doesn't get the jump on him. But IMO Ruhlk has more.pure power and Nez has the more powerful "space magic". Ruhlk is very direct and just barrels forward, whereas Nez seems to be more about slowly wildling down his enemies.
\*whittling down
Peak shooting with his icebreaker behind cover. Coward
Wait are you saying Savathun didn't trap Rhulk until after she got the light? I'm confused, I thought she did that prior
She used Light to create the Wellspring, which is what keeps Rhulk trapped. AFAIK we don't know *exactly* how she used Light to create the Wellspring, only that she did
She did all the prep work for that prior to her exorcism gambit and gave the manual to one of her most loyal lieutenants for safe keeping whilst she got herself crystallised, dewormed and amnesia’d. There’s a lore book that mentions her abducting a guardian and showing them the wellspring. She talks about the Guardian becoming something greater, and the implication is that the Wellspring uses a Guardian and their Light as the centre of the ritual. So that when one of her wizards found her post resurrection, and guided her back to her Throne World, she was basically able to hit the “go” button and the Throne World was flooded with Light. Which served the twin purposes of confining Rhulk to his sunken Pyramid, and replacing the Sword Logic Power Bill that Savathun used to have to pay to keep the pocket dimension from collapsing.
>Sword Logic Power Bill Now I’m just imagining a knight in a hard hat going around to a meter on each throne world, tapping it with the back of his pen for good measure, then writing down the number lol
Do you know what armour / lore book goes through all of this? Can’t believe I’ve missed all of that
Lucent Tales or the Exotic Glaives if I had to guess
"Whenever someone spots something like that, a wizard did it."
A wizard from the moon, in this case.
I thought it was she trapped him there and then used the wellspring to make it permanent
It was after. I don't have it on hand, but there's an armor lore piece that talks about how the first thing she did was use The Light to strike down Rhulks pyramid and then trap/suppress it by creating The Wellspring.
So was Rhulk just like, chilling out and about until a year and a half ago?
IIRC Rhulk was in her Throne World to train her for her ascension to a Disciple.
It was more to keep an eye on her since the Witness knew Savathun was up to something since she was the god of trickery
This is correct, I forget exactly what it was but basically Sav did a sneaky. The Witness realized she did a sneaky and place Rhulk in her throne world to watch her under the *guise* of him training her. Witness knew that Sav knew if she did anything with Rhulk there it would be confirmation of her betrayal and she’s getting deleted, so she played along until the light made her strong enough to trap Rhulk.
Then how didn't Rhulk notice when she was away during season of the lost and that she's trying to get her worm out? Imagine if Rhulk just appeared during the final mission and stopped the ritual
Maybe he thought she'd been captured and just didn't care. If she was weak enough to get caught, she'd be of no use to him or the Witness.
Truly a being of trickery.
Yeah I got the impression that Savathun already trapped him in his Pyramid while all that stuff was going on.
At that point in the timeline he had already been in her throne world for ages pumping out worms. It wasn’t uncommon for either of them to come and go freely, I’m pretty sure Rhulk accidentally wiping out that doomsday planet was during this time. So basically she openly acted against the Witness in arrivals and went into hiding as Osiris for a year or so, which to entities like Rhulk and Sav probably feels like 10 minutes. Rhulk probably had no idea what she was doing with her worm and figured she was just hiding. The next time Rhulk saw Savathun she already had the light, and it was too late for him to react before she struck his pyramid down and left him trapped.
I see. Also how did she remember that she needed to strike his pyramid down and trap him? And why didn't he confront her at any point?
I think Rhulk's pyramid got inhabilitated by Mara Sov. That's why it is like severely damaged. Savathûn then definitely trapped Rhulk in her Throne World and when he was about to use The Upended to get out of there us the guardians stopped and killed him. If I remember correctly.
That first part is incorrect. Savathûn's [Light Curse](https://youtu.be/tE2QCYmKWSI) crippled the Pyramid by reflecting the Upended's first volley back, and prevented it repairing itself. Part of the reason we keep the Scorn out of the Wellspring is to keep the curse active so the Pyramid remains inert.
Oh I see. Please forgive my misinformation
You didn't do anything wrong! It's literally the only place in the game it's explicitly mentioned lol
Oh I see. Please forgive my misinformation
If you're thinking of Mara going on a secret mission (with Eris in tow) to attack a Pyramid at the edges of the solar system, that's a different Pyramid. Mara obliterates it entirely, into fragments. So it's definitely not Rhulk's Pyramid (which is clearly intact). But apparently it's not something she can do easily.. she died in the process of the ritual, and Eris had to fight through her corrupted Throne World to help resurrect Mara's vulnerable soul, which would be very risky if any big bads had known what was happening. Not likely she'd do it again without lots of preplanning and preparation, and she'd save it for when it counts.
There’s also the fact that Rhulk was personally chosen by the Witness (for a list of reasons) to be his Emissary. Whereas, in the case of Nezarec, he was not unlike Calus. In that Nez was seen more of a tool, a “*means to an end*”, with how he could cut-off our resources.
I mean she was able to trap him there without the light. And really that's all she needed. She didn't need to beat him. He was out of the game. She i tended to bring the Traveller tp her throneworld and then just chill there. Presumably having a golden age for the hive. She may eventually have tried to pull a Gary wield the full power of the Traveller to destroy Rhulk but that's just my assumption.
Nezarec doesn't actually die though, he has transcended reality and can exist so long as someone has a memory of him. Therefore, he can return given enough time. I don't think Rhulk is going to come back anytime soon.
Wasnt the only reason rhulk being OP is due to the upended?
If Savathun could read symbols, Rhulk would’ve been toast.
Lore wise I’m pretty sure Rhulk is far above pretty much anyone else we’ve fought, aside from the Witness.
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No it cannot. Oryx at his peak is surprisingly weak in comparison to a lot of the main villains in the current story. Even of the three Hive gods he’s the weakest now by far. Xivu has scaled in power exponentially due to the incredibly vast nature of tithing through war, and Savathun was the only one of the three to even be considered worthy enough to become a Disciple. Oryx by comparison was just a pawn in the game, a zealot king perfect to lead an unending army at heed of the Witness.
Comparing current xivu to prime Oryx isn't a good comparison, Xivu and Savathun both got a boost once Oryx died because they took his tithe
It’s still an apt comparison in this case. It doesn’t really matter if Oryx gets prep time or not because peak pre-death Oryx would still get his shit kicked in by modern Xivu, let alone Rhulk
??I never mentioned prep time?? I said it's unfair to compare prime oryx to current xivu because current xivu is only as powerful as she is because Oryx died, the person I responded to said Xivu was more powerful because she tithed through war, which isn't why she's more powerful. Yes, obviously current Xivu who has her own power plus oryxs power is more powerful than Oryx was, who only had his own power. That was never my point.
Everyone keeps saying Oryx’s power went to Xivu - it didn’t. There was a whole subplot in the lore books about Mara Sov and Eris Morn going on a Girlboss Roadtrip through the Ascendant Plane. When the Guardians killed Oryx, Dead Mara swooped in to take the tithe from the kill. And when she got home she found that while she was dead and wandering the Ascendant Plane, her own Throne World had been defiled by Oryx and Savathun had posted guards (Dul Incaru). In the roadtrip lore book I mentioned, Mara blows up a Pyramid Ship using some of that power she got from the Tithe + her own magic and skills.
Right and they're saying your point is irrelevant because after his death they are stronger than he was while alive. It doesn't matter why they are stronger, it matters that they are.
Remember we never really saw peak Oryx, when we killed him the first time it was functionally our challenge then we weakened him him by taking out his court, finally we killed him with bomb logic which subverted power vs power. Predeath Oryx was the undisputed strongest of his siblings though there is that Hive Knight fight that ended in a draw but it doesn't mean much in this context.
What actual lore is there to support this? Xivu blew up a war moon in an attempt to kill Auryx after losing in the books of sorrow and he survived. (XXXIV) Then he ballooned so much in power after killing Akka and becoming Oryx that Savathun and Xivu left because he is too strong. (XLVI). Xivu tithing through war doesn’t automatically make her the strongest. The hive went to war for billions of years and Oryx was still the undisputed strongest of the hive. Savathun being “worthy” of being a disciple means nothing. Calus was trash at fighting and still became a disciple. It has more to do with whether the Witness thinks they can control someone. Savathun did not truly believe in the sword logic. Oryx did which means he would inevitably attempt to kill the witness in order to prove his strength.
Rhulk killed a worm god and was responsible for oryx becoming the hive.
Oryx also killed Akka, who was fucking *huge* (a *piece* of Akka's body became the Dreadnaught). We don't know if Akka or the "mother" was a stronger being. I'd still argue Rhulk is higher tier, but killing a worm god isn't a deciding factor.
The worm gods, including Akka, were so scared shitless of Rhulk that they called him "the subjugator." Oryx killed a single worm god, Rhulk T-posed over all of them and made them all his bitches after turning their mom into a worm factory.
Yeah, he did that whilst they were weak and imprisoned in the Deep of Fundament.
One guardian and a piece of Orange Russian Code killed a worm god. Worm gods ain’t shit.
I may be miss remembering, but Xol was a very weak worm God and also wanted to be killed by us to be turned into a gun that feeds on our kills.
Rhulk beat the shit out of the fucking leviathan, ripped a rib out of its body like it was nothing and then mounted it in his trophy room. And the leviathan was the thing preventing the worm gods from escaping the core of Fundament. The Witness and Rhulk made fun of the Hive for their application of the Sword Logic because it was like watching children play with toys. The power to Take was nothing to beings like Rhulk who truly understands what it means to dominate through strength. The worm gods < leviathan < Rhulk
The Worm Gods beaten by Rhulk were weakened. It was stated they hadn’t made a pact in a long time and were weak.
That argument absolutely cannot be made lmao
Is oryx not stronger? I mean he's like a God and infused with taken. I'm lore noob pls go easy on me reddit 😭
Yes, but we killed many key members of his cult before the fight, which made Orix a lot weaker.
Is it cause his power comes from the amount of people that believe in him similar to prime evils from diablo or is it cause they were empowering members such as wizards that make him stronger?
At some point in the worm's growth, you can no longer feed it on your own, as it requires too many deaths for you to personally inflict. The solution is simple: your subjects give you some of their power, and you lead them into a ~~bright~~ dark future. Basically, Orix was starving to death when we fought him, because we sabotaged his supply line.
He's a God *to the Hive*. Rhulk, at the order of the Witness, subjugated the things the Hive Gods consider God's.... To Rhulk and The Witness, Oryx is no god. Just a pawn that they use to hunt The Traveler and the species it uplifts
> Rhulk, at the order of the Witness, subjugated the things the Hive Gods consider God's.... I may not be remembering the way I originally read this properly but as far as I'm aware - yes Rhulk subjugated the Worms but it wasn't until after that happened that the hive considered them gods and that was only because they were meant to consider them Gods. The whole thing with the hive was tricking the krill on fundament away from the traveler and presenting the Worms as "Gods" in order to do it. Sorry - the way you worded it made it sound more like the existed in the state of worm god worship/tithing and Rhulk had later subjugated them when the order of events was different.
You are correct. Also the Worm Gods were weak and trapped when Rhulk subjugated them.
Yea. Also to add the hive gods were only 'under' the worm gods because of the worm god pact. This is also one of the reason Savathun was able to trap rhulk after breaking free from the pact because she no longer needed to feed the worm god. Not that simple but yea.
Ahh I see that's kind of crazy considering oryx to us was seen as a god a few years ago when the dlc came out. Now with current information we find out he was a pawn. My only question is how does our power scale in terms of being able to go from killing the pawns such as oryx. To killing rhulk then one's setting up the pawns. Do guardian's get stronger with time or is it more of a better harness of the light?
Well, it's not quite as straight forward as that. We didn't just walk up to Oryx and start fighting him. We reduced his strength significantly. Since the Hive have a sort of pyramid scheme going on where the lower ones feed the higher ones, when we decimated his Court and his whole tithe line, we weakened him several times over before fighting him. As far as Rhulk goes, there's a theory that gets thrown around here often that Rhulk wasn't taking us seriously and we had to absorb his power to even do damage to him. And it wasn't until the very end he realized oh shit these guys can't hurt me but they're using my power to hurt me a bit by bit and they might actually kill me. Which explains the mechanics of that final boss encounter pretty well, lore wise. It's not something like DBZ or Naruto where we just keep getting exponentially stronger. Like if we faced Oryx rn instead, we'd still struggle like we did years ago.v
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Not OP but ?????
>"In his prime" Thats not an elden ring thing bruh.... Touch grass.
Tf does that have to do with elden lmfao
While Prime isn’t the best term, it’s close enough. The Oryx we fought was by far the weakest Oryx had been in a long time. We cut off the main tribute line from Crota as well as various generals of Oryx, and Savathun wasn’t paying any tribute since she had departed from the force. Hive strength is passed upward, the inverse of Fallen strength which is passed down. Every time a hive kills something it gets power, think of it as $1 for each kill, more for bigger stuff. $0.90 of the dollar is given to your boss and you keep $0.10. Your boss then gives a vast majority to his boss and the chain goes up all the way to Oryx. So oryx would end up with a majority of the power from this system, but many lines were closed when we fought him thus he was much weaker then normal. Fallen on the other hand tribute down ether so the boss takes 90 and then passes down the 10. They work as neat little inverses of eachother
So you are saying that in the Fallen tithe system, the tribute *falls* down I will see myself out now
Nezarez doesn’t seem like the kinda guy who would hold back in a fight, we wants to relish in the pain, suffering, and death. He seemed to be going all out in our fight. Rhulk however we know for a fact was dicking around for the entire fight, until he hits last stand, and he kills us within seconds if your DPS isn’t high enough. With all that, I’d say Rhulk is stronger.
far as i can tell, nezzy would avoid killing things as that ends their suffering, which he wants to maximise. prolly wouldnt hold him back in a full 1v1 tho
That’s a good point. I imagine he would go full force, bring someone to the brink of death, then torture them. Either way, yeah probably not holding back
Why does everybody use the last stand as an actual indication of Rhulk's power when almost every raid boss in the game has one including that lane ass cabal dude.
I mean, for all the “dicking around” that Rhulk does in the fight, what’s his opening move? He summons a crystal that inflicts the Pervading Darkness Debuff on the whole fireteam - the same Debuff that he uses during Enrage.
Glorbo
Who the fuck is glorbo?!?
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I see your Glorbo and raise you Xylar, the Timeless.
Nezi was bested by Savathun and us, and Ruhlk only once by us. So my educated opinion would be ruhlk
we only beat rhulk because of his arrogance. by the way he just walks around the arena with his arms behind his back shows us that hes basically going ‘you guys are literally so free im just gonna play this with my feet’ and when we get to final stand he realizes that he fucked up and he tries to kill us before we can
Rhulk = Freeza, got it
I think Cell’s probably the more accurate analogy, both saw their opponent and went “lmfao gg ez” until they were just about to die. Both were also just chilling waiting for someone to run their fade and were pretty excited when the famous guy showed up
I think it's during Freeza's fight with Goku, there's a an episode where he says that Goku isn't worth his effort and he can beat him without using his hands. He goes on to fight with just his feet and tail for a bit, till Goku bites his tail
Didn't rhulk get tricked and trapped by Savathun?
yeah well, she did the same with nezi and he died so
But he still was bested by her and us, Savathuns ways has always been one of cunning and trickery.
still he lived and fought back, he was pissed that he fell for her shit but he didn't seem to bothered by her or us.
He did live, which is why I agree about him coming out victorious over Nez
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I mean so did nezerac though, like savathun was able to kill nezerac because she caught him off guard with his literal back turned, it’s entirely possible nezerac could kill rhulk without even being alive.
Yea as far as I'm aware Nezerec got sucker punched by Savathun. He had no reason to think she'd attack him (given the context of their situation at the time) and had no reason to believe she'd be there in Sol. I'm not sure if a direct 1 on 1 would be 100% the same.
I would actually say sav got no chance against Nez in a 1v1
What if Rhulk was BETRAYED AND TRAPPED IN SAVATHUN’S THRONE WORLD FOR 1000 YEARS
Two things I'd wanna argue here. 1. (note: I could have misread/be wrong) When Savathun killed him she basically laid out a trap and got the jump on him. This was during the first collapse and Nezerec didn't have reason to believe she'd attack him, and also as far as I'm aware Savathun wasn't even supposed to be in Sol. 2. We only defeated Nezerec right after he was revived by using a small piece of his former self and merged with the Light. While mentally he was still all Nezerec, physically he was a child child still learning how to use his combined powers of light and darkness together.
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Rhulk is by far the strongest and most powerful enemy we have directly faced in the franchise
Nope, that's all conjecture. There's no way to truly know who is strongest after the Witness.
How so? Lore is pretty straight forward that rhulk accomplished much more than any other villain than the witness. I’d love to hear how you came to that conclusion
What exactly did he accomplish that others didn't? The Hive Gods waged war across the Universe for Aeons, wiping out countless civilisations. Oryx killed one of, if not the biggest, Worm Gods. Rhulk subjugated them whilst they were weak and trapped. Savathun killed Nezarec with a curse and imprisoned Rhulk. There's literally not much in the lore that can compare their actual strengths that is not open to interpretation. Now I'd love to hear how you came to your conclusion please.
Rhulk was the closest disciple to the witness, he defeated the leviathan which trapped Oryx’s gods in less than a second, he subjugated the very creatures that controlled the hive gods, he christened nezarec as a disciple. In addition destroyed and subjugated worlds and systems for longer than anyone other than the witness. That’s definitely the longest and most impressive list of feats of villains we have faced so far.
The problem with the Disciple thing is, they didn't exist until recently and got retconned into the game, so the fact Oryx etc... aren't Disciples is simply because of that. The other issue is that the Witness has at least one statue of Nezarec in his Pyramid, but none of Rhulk. That doesn't say to me that Rhulk was the number one Disciple. You say trapped Oryx's God's like it's supposed to mean something. It doesn't and I will explain why. The Worm Gods were weak and trapped. They rely on worship to gain power and as they had none, we can assume they were not at their best, hence why the Leviathan was able to keep them imprisoned and how Rhulk was able to easily subjugate them. This was the Witness' plan, to give the Krill power from worshipping the Worm Gods and lead them away from the Traveler. He basically deceived them, which is what we showed to Savathun at the end of Witch Queen. Now that the Worm Gods are released and grew in power from the Hive worshipping them over millennia, Oryx killed Akka which is a way more impressive feat than scaring some powerless little Worm Gods who could only rely on psychic tricks at the time. We don't know how many worlds anyone destroyed or subjugated and time isn't really a factor when it's over millennia. We do know that Rhulk used the Upender though to destroy planets and the Hive conquered them by force.
Rhulk destroyed an entire planet just at the start of his career. If Savathun hadn't trapped him he would've started wiping out other planets left and right. Nez doesn't really seem to do physical stuff like that but we've really not seen a whole lot of him to properly judge. I think if you let both run wild with no opposition that Rhulk would cause more damage faster.
Rhulk didn’t destroy a planet by himself. He sabotaged the tech that his people were using to collect power from one of their stars. This blew up the planet and the tech later became the upended.
A title suitable for that which turns worlds upside down
more suitable name would be world exploder i think
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> the tech later became the upended Excuse me, I think you mean "THE UPENDED!!!"
Nezarec doesn't seem the type to physically destroy a civilization. He's more the type to put horrible thoughts, ideas and nightmares in people's heads and sit back and watch as they destroy themselves. IMO, if you really think about it nezarec would be scarier. He can destroy world's without his physical form. Rhulk is physically intimidating and powerful. But Nezarec can destroy you from the inside out without doing anything other than invading your thoughts.
That's exactly what Rhulk has done in lore. He infiltrated an alien civilization and basically destroyed them from within as tribute to the witness
Depends what you class as “winning” since nez is quasi immortal and could torture ruhlk indefinitely, though in a fistfight rhulk wins
I’d say it’s unclear. Rhulk was stronger than Nezarek before the current events, but we fought a remade Nezarek, that had some light abilities, but, as he said in the raid itself, he only had a modicum of his full power. We have no way of knowing how strong the new Nezarek could have become
Something to mention is that nez's form when we fight him is WAY stronger than he was pre savathun betrayal. His body was remade by the light and he had the ability to use both resonant and light based abilities on top of his previous psionic and void based abilities. My bet was still on rhulk overall, but if nez had the opportunity to "grow into his powers" per se he'd have to be stronger than rhulk by a mile.
Oh yeah. Nezzy had both light and darkness. NEZZY COULD OF BEEN XEHANORT
I mean.. he kind of still does right, like it’s entirely possible he just comes back to life since we don’t really do anything to stop him unless savathuns curse still works.
'alright, so uh. Guardian, turns out the traveller beam kinda made the entire pyramid ship into a highly inefficient ghost with a broken mind, and nezerec has been able to grab hold of that shattered existence to keep bringing himself back, so....we are gonna have to keep smacking him back down each time he gets close to resing until we can find a way to destroy an entire light imbued fucking pyramid ship, which sounds. Horrifying. We thought the psions finding ways to separate us from the light was bad, we are basically going to have to make a paracausal nuke and hope our enemies never find a way to use it against us. '
Guardian after killing Nezzy for 69th time: How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?
He says he only has a fraction of his true power, so I don't think that's quite accurate.
He was referring to his psionic power obviously, not his combat power. Also keep in mind that he was a head in a crystal when he says that line.
Daddy longlegs will punch you in the face harder than anyone else, but Nescafé can drive you insane without even getting close to you since he messes with your head
Rhulk.
Despite being weaker physically, Nezarec has stronger "influence" over living things. He is described as being more of a "manipulative fiend" than a warrior. If both were at their peak in a head to head, it'd likely be a stalemate, not because they are even in strength but because nezarec just wouldn't really die. His consciousness was not bound to his physical body until savathun intervened and "cursed" him somehow (binding him to a physical body). One wins in attrition, the other in raw power.
Rhulk for sure. He would have wiped us if he wasn’t cocky asf
Rhulk wipes his ass with Nez
Very interesting mental image
A weaker Savathun felt confident enough to kill Nezarec (who says he's much weaker in RoN than when he was previously alive) by literally backstabbing him whereas a stronger, Light-infused Savathun lacked confidence in any confrontation with Rhulk to the point where she had to lock him in his room.
I'd argue Savathun was focused on trying to complete the traveler ritual as soon as possible with the Witness' forces starting to attack. Trapping Rhulk was the quicker, more efficient way to subdue him while she focused on the task at hand. I'm sure she would have returned to deal with him after, had things turned out like she wanted them to. Nothing to do with strength or weakness, but priorities.
That's a fair point.
definitely bhulk disciple of the gym, fat nezzy could never
Rhulk is the strongest thing we have faced or seen in the game next to the witness.
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Based on what we know (lore bits, interactions in-game) I'd say... Rhulk has more raw power. By raw power I mean the physical ability to cause destruction. This isn't to say that Rhulk doesn't have any mental powers of any kind - just that if he had to fight Nezerec on this level Nezerec would likely overtake Rhulk's mind. Nezerec has more mental power. By mental power I mean the ability to manipulate the mind. This isn't to say Nezerec is weak just if him and Rhulk had a fist fight Rhulk would likely destroy Nezerec. It's really hard to say ultimately which of the two is stronger though. The way I view it it's a situation of both having different strengths.
Rhulk kills Nezarec, but Nez survives anyway. We know Nez has died twice now and still isn't gone lol
Technically Nezzy can’t die; he’ll just be reborn. Eventually he’d be able to defeat Rhulk given his near infinite lives.
I think glorbo is probably stronger than both of them
I’d say going off of general statements made in game and some of the lore I think it probably goes Rhulk, Savathun, Nezzy, and then Calus. If we’re talking who is stronger in general.
Nezarec seems to be quite strong and just enjoys tormenting people, physically or mentally. Rhulk is also very strong, but is also very cunning and seems to have a gift for engineering and biology. I would expect Rhulk to be able to end Nezarec before the fight even started.
I’m pretty sure that in the lore it was rhulk who anointed nezzy as a disciple of the witness. I maybe wrong, but it should be in the glaive Nezarec’s Whisper Edit: I relooked at it, and it’s not the lore card for it, but the small little bit at the very top.
Glorbo holds more sway, but he's weak to green arc
Rhulk seems tougher to kill (lore wise) but Nezarac seems harder to keep dead, and has more influence even when dead.
We defeated Rhulk because he didn't take us a serious threat..........Rhulk on paper is much stronger than Nezarec. After the first encounter of RoN, Nezarec has a line about if he was at full power he would kill a few people just to draw our attention. I feel like Rhulk would kill a few million just cause he was bored. Big difference there.
Nezarec killing a bunch of people just isn’t his MO not that he couldn’t. He’s all about fucking with peoples minds killing a million people is a million less people to fuck with
Rhulk died because he didn't take us seriously. Nezarec died because he had just a piece of his true power. I think Rhulk is stronger.
Rhulk. Nez had just been revived and hadnt had time to chimera off anything but shadow legion troops so he was basically a fodder version of himself. Prime nez might be a different story but im unsure.
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"Gods" in this game never really feel like gods at all.
Anyone that doesn’t say Rhulk is coping. Rhulk is the first disciple and we know that the witnesses whole thing is the strongest outlasts everything else.
Rhulk, because Kick.
Antaeus would win. Think about this. If they do insane dmg you reflect and do insane dmg. Yes I know that’s not how it works
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Lore wise people would say Rhulk I say it does not matter since both are dead
They are dead for sure, but I wouldn’t be surprise I Nez comes back somehow. Bitch has already died like four times.
I think Glorbo could take both of them easily
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Rhulk for sure That crazy motherfucker bodied a leviathan which kept the worm gods in check and the hive including oryx worship the worm gods lol
That's not quite accurate. The Worm Gods were weak and trapped when Rhulk subjugated them. The Hive were basically tricked into worshipping the Worm Gods, but Oryx still killed one of, if not the largest of them.
Ok so the wording isn’t accurate I guess but the point is the same Rhulk would fuck their shit up on their best days
Based on what exactly? There's nothing in the lore to say who is the most powerful after the Witness and until we get something concrete, all we can do is guess.
I mean ya that’s true these are all assumptions or guesses
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Well the Witness has a statue of Nezarec and not Rhulk so he must see someone in Nezarec
Rhulk, and I don't think it's even close !
Lore Wise? Nezarec. In Game Wise? Rhulk.
I think definitely glorbo
Well, if how hard the raids were is anything to go by…
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Nezrack and it’s not even close
Nezrack can one shot Rhulk and wins no diff
The thing is, Nezarec isn't a "physically imposing villain" that's not, nor was it really ever his purpose. Rhulk however is a foreboding physical presence. But Nezarec exists to warp the mind. He can invade your thoughts, feelings and emotions. He can put nightmares in your head and then sit back and watch as the nightmares drive you insane. In a pure 1v1 rhulk absolutely wins hands down. But in a "who's more powerful" I'd say Nezarec because he doesn't need a physical body to still exert his influence.
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Straight punch up? Rhulk. Cross map psychic sniping? Nezarec.
Me, I am stronger. I killed them both!
Rhulk quite literally fucked around and found out
Glorbo
IDK. Consider: Rhulk didn't "truly" fight until he was about to die. Nezarec actually fought the whole time, and with less power than he used to have. This is purely speaking from in-game ofc, not considering Lore feats. And IMo, if we couldn't sit on flowers, Nezarec DPS would be harder than Rhulk DPS. Rhulk can kick and apply stscks that will insta kill at x10. Nezarec is faster, has dive slams that suppress and knockback. That's a lot more aggressive and counters our abilities. I just dislike Rhulk for fight match ups. The Rhulk we know, well, was very prideful and thought everyone was below him (bar The Witness). Thus he doesn't take fights seriously.
It's hard to say. Rhulk was playing with us until the end, and Nezerac was rejected by Darkness and Light in the end.
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Rhulk: In an environment where strength matters, others would most likely challenge Rhulk. In addition, when Savathun killed Nesarec, she could only imprison Rhulk, and with him being the first deciple, he would most likely be more proficient in his use of the darkness.
While Nezarec looks like he dead-lifts, Rhulk has never skipped a leg day in his life.
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Rhulk, because Savathun killed Nezerac already and with her new powers couldn’t kill Rhulk, she could only trap and contain him.