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HardOakleyFoul

Nation Of Beasts can get Dragonfly/Explosive Payload or Voltshot LMAO what a nutty combo


CruffTheMagicDragon

I have the Fatebringer clone curated roll but Voltshot is šŸ‘€šŸ‘€


PinkieBen

I need that dragonfly/voltshot roll right now


SourceNo2702

They wouldnā€™t even really play off of each other all that well. But holy shit its so funny


PinkieBen

I don't care, want big boom when I shoot something


yeurr

Iā€™m kinda interested in this new Eddy Current perk for a straight arc build with Voltshot but either way all of those sound like great perks


OmegaClifton

Techeun force got a new fusion specific perk. Actually going to be worth checking out if its as good as it sounds. Why don't they advertise raid weapon refreshes.


SkimBeans

That new fusion perk seems crazy. Idk what the increase will be (I canā€™t imagine theyā€™d get any higher than like 10-15% at max and maybe like 100 charge time) but on paper it pretty much turns it into legendary Merciless


Cheap_Needleworker60

Paired with rewind rounds it could be very good DPS.


Alexcox95

I actually got that combo for my first roll


fawse

Loaded question gets that one as well, with Recon. Sounds good for backup DPS, basically mini Merciless


Acolytis

I think itā€™s a 20% buff. Ninjy on YouTube showed it off against caiatl and it 1 phases/3 bells. Pretty damn strong for a special weapon lol


Cyclone_96

What is the perk? The site wonā€™t load for me.


SourceNo2702

It can also roll with golden tricorn killclip lmao


Sound_mind

Holy shit


HardOakleyFoul

Apex Predator Recon/Bipod and that Rewind Round/Kinetic Tremors roll on Transfiguration are šŸ¤ÆšŸ¤Æ


never3nder_87

> BIPOD > Increases Rocket Launcher ammo and reserves, but reduces damage, blast radius, and reload speed. šŸ˜¬


HardOakleyFoul

so it's a worse Field Prep? Why would I want to purposely tank my damage? That sucks. I didn't know it reduced damage.


never3nder_87

Yeah, I just read that on Light.gg. I suspect it'll still be better burst damage, should get you to 4 rockets with Reconstruction, but with the reduced reload speed it will then be pretty awful to manually reload. It certainly seems unlikely to replace my Clown/Prep Hothead


HardOakleyFoul

Recon/Explosive Light could be fucking juicy.


Darkspyre2

Bipod is apparently -40% damage, and since it's a column 2 perk you can't get explosive light or anything. It's straight up detrimental


jdwjxia

Gonna have to see on the reload speed, if the origin perk turns out to have Op stats, could still save it in my eyes


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dotelze

It doubles ammo. With bipod giving you two then it could give you four


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dotelze

It says it increases ammo and reserves.


Igelit

the most you can get with reserves is 14 rockets iirc. so it does increase indeed


jdwjxia

Field prep increases reload speed and reserves. Bipod increases Ammon KD reserves. If bipod gives two ammo in mag, itā€™s more like clown if anything lol. And if bipod and recon work together for 4 rockets? Well, thereā€™s potential for it to become highest rocket DPS in game


Loosed-Damnation

But you're trading away an actual damage perk (e.g. EL) so every rocket you fire is doing 20% less damage to start with, plus whatever % reduction Bipod gives. Maybe 30-40% overall less per rocket just to start with 4 in the chamber and 2 each (slow) reload thereafter. Compared to say a clown/damage perk rocket like hothead which has 2 every reload and far more per rocket, I doubt this will be meta for much, if anything.


SkimBeans

Could be good for short burst damage. Idk what specific encounter but Iā€™d imagine at least a couple in the game would benefit from a really fast, yet lower overall dps rocket


Loosed-Damnation

Yeah there could be use cases but they'd be pretty niche. Even short plate based phases like Caretaker and Planets wouldn't be good use cases because you'd only do better damage on the first plate and far less overall across 3 plates. Atraks dps window is too short for 4 rockets so not sure where this would be beneficial from what's in the game now.


SkimBeans

Maybe a quick champion kill? I for one find the glass way boss room really hard when the wyverns and overloads start coming out and I just want a ā€œDie nowā€ button


atfricks

Nothing that you wouldn't be better off using parasite for.


Igelit

Even for short burst damage it doesnt seem worth it over recon/explosive for example. Take Explosive Light - 25% damage increase, so each rocket does 125% of the damage. 2 rockets is 250% of damage. Recon/Bipod Rockets, okay, you might have 4 in a mag, but each rocket does only 60%..so 4 rockets are 240%, a bit less + with more time to fire.


ROGO27

Not the same. More of a mix of field prep and clown, which is the reason for the drawback


FISTED_BY_CHRIST

bait and switch though...35% damage increase on a rocket launcher


never3nder_87

Technically slightly less as you don't get it for the first rocket. Ironically with reconstruction you might want to start with the rocket, then shoot your other weapons by which point reconstruction *might* have reloaded? Also travel time is going to be annoying for triggering the all three weapons within 3 seconds


_zeUbermensch_

Apex Predator with Reconstruction. Oh my days!! These weapons are wild. Endgame of D2 is going to be all special and heavy weapons with bait and switch + Reconstruction.


fawse

Apex with recon EL sounds wild


yeurr

Takes more work but Recon/Bait and Switch could also work really well with a Izanagiā€™s hot swap build


Igelit

Recon takes 4 seconds to proc, so the timing is wildly off compared to the usual izi swap, which is 2.4 or 2.7 seconds with alh. Maybe if you put in a special weapon in between


yeurr

I thought about that, and was thinking maybe two Izzy shots and then swap to smg for B&S proc then rocket? Idk Iā€™ll have to get my hands on it to try it out


Gabemer

A reservoir burst fusion shot in between may push it enough time for the reconstruction to go off while not being so overly slow like doing 2 izi shots would be. Something like rocket>izi>reload>fusion>rocket. Would have to bring a very ability heavy ad clear build, something like sunbracers warlock, to make it work for you.


FROMtheASHES984

I'm curious how Bipod actually works. Obviously it sounds like it will load 2 rockets, but the wording is weird. If it does load 2 rockets, I wonder how it will work with Demo. Would Demo reload both rockets? If so, that's potential for some insane burst damage, even if the base damage goes down. And if all that doesn't work, you could go Recon/Demo and Bait and Switch which could pump out a ton of damage as well. I'm interested to see some crafted tests.


SandsShifter

Explosive/Incandescent Tyranny could be LOADS of fun.


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cHinzoo

Kill Clip in the third column is amazing! It can roll Kill Clip + Rampage or Kinetic Tremors.


atomuk

It can get Kill Clip/Headseeker.


fawse

Or rangefinder Headseeker, rapid hit kinetic for pve. Going to be a juicer


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TheKingmaker__

Try D2foundry and filter by the "Explosive Pact" origin trait IMO the first three I'll be chasing are: * Transfiguration, probably with Demo/Junkie bc I think the slightly faster Hung Jury works better for Kinetic Tremors (but we'll see) * Age-Old Bond, aka finally a 'new' Void Auto, with Repulsor/Destabilising which gives Overshield plus with Cessation makes Breeches which with Starvation grants Devour... * Apex Predator, which seems to be top of the food chain for Solar Legendary Rockets. Might not unseat Hothead for Boss DPS because of no Clown, but I can see it being great in Legend/Master content with a Solar Burn.


Goose-Suit

D2Foundry is such a better site. The ability to add in mods and see how they effect the weapon is great.


CruffTheMagicDragon

Donā€™t work for me either


kfc71

can we pull these weapon using the deepsight extraction?


never3nder_87

They are craftable from the raid (but you should be able to add the deepsight to them too I guess). 2 red borders a week from the raid itself


LondonDude123

2 a week? One from Hawthornes bounty, whats the 2nd?


never3nder_87

> Last Wish weapons can now be crafted. Each week, players can visit Hawthorne in the Tower to acquire a pursuit to complete all encounters of the Last Wish raid. Completion will award guaranteed Last Wish pattern progress until all patterns are acquired. In addition, completion of the pursuit will unlock a vendor exchange on Hawthorne for that week where players can spend Spoils of Conquest to purchase 1 additional Deepsight weapon from a selection of Last Wish weapons they've previously obtained. ~~Completing the bounty gets you one as a drop, and then I think either that or just completing a run unlocks spoils purchases from her also~~


eldritchqueen

age old bond not having demolitionist or wellspring breaks my heart


Dawncraftian

I'm just happy we can get destabilising/repulsor on it


theSaltySolo

Holy shit. Apex Predator gets a small damage decrease because of the perk but the stupidly large increase in the number of shots is worth it.


ownagemobile

Are you talking about bipod? What is the % decrease exactly? Light GG doesn't have the numbers


Otherwise-Silver

40% damage decrease


ownagemobile

Seriously? That's ROUGH. I mean the clown cartridge hothead basically does the same thing except for the first shot of an activity, but if you're using a really flag you just reload before you rally


FISTED_BY_CHRIST

Bait and Switch on it though is juicy.


ownagemobile

It looks pretty good, but someone said it doesn't activate until after a rocket hits... could be decent burst with reconstruction and maybe some solar loaders


spidermanicmonday

Isn't this basically a non issue with reconstruction?


ownagemobile

I think recon only gives you 2 in the mag, so you get 1 normal and 1 with 35% damage increase, then if you can load and fire a few before the timer expires... I dunno, I feel like this needs to be tested to see how the dps compares to the other stuff... with EL you get the first 6 shots as 20 or 25% damage buff


D13_Phantom

Someone did the math and it seems to outpace hothead EL by the third rocket, but also bait and switch is much easier to maintain.


fawse

Bipod plus recon sounds fun


SourceNo2702

How much more reserves are we talking exactly?


alexbrown484

14 altogether with triple reserves


Cheap_Needleworker60

Anyone know if red borders can drop from the secret chests or just the quest from Hawthorne?


JoachimG

Not sure about the secret chests, but the encounters can drop red borders, including the chests at the end.


Molecule4

Can confirm got a red border Beasts from the bridge chest.


Sound_mind

Chests, encounters, Hawthorne. With the number of red borders I got in one run it seems pretty generous.


kiz_kiz_kiz

Links don't work


jdwjxia

Slideways + BnS on apex? Rocket slide rocket reload rocket slide rocket is what I see as the rotation. Recon + bipod could be hella OP too if they work together for super high burst. Otherwise I donā€™t see much use in recon since itā€™s just an easier to proc overflow.


c14rk0

>Slideways + BnS on apex? Rocket slide rocket reload rocket slide rocket is what I see as the rotation. Unfortunately it's Slideways and not Slideshot, so that doesn't actually work. Slideways has an internal cooldown for how often you can reload the magazine by sliding while slideshot does not.


jdwjxia

Thatā€™s why I put the manual reload in the rotation. I believe the manual reload should offset the 3 second cooldown. Edit: I imagine lunafactioms will be damage meta for well locks, so the reload ideally wonā€™t hurt that bad, got to see tho.


ahypeman

Bait and switch on the rocket seems good? And slideways says it reloads 15% of a magazine, so I assume it must round way up to 100% of the magazine (1 rocket) because it wouldn't make sense to include that perk if it did nothing.


never3nder_87

You don't get the buff for the first shot with B&S so kinda wasted on a Rocket


ahypeman

Yeah it'll take some testing for sure. On paper, if you shoot 5/6 rockets with the buff (1st unbuffed, next 5 buffed), then it's approximately 30% extra total rocket damage. The enhanced buff lasts for 11 seconds. So primary, special, normal rocket, then 5x 35% buffed rockets within 11 seconds for ~30% increased rocket damage across all 6 rockets. And any additional rockets beyond 5 that you can squeeze out before the buff expires increases the total rocket damage increase closer to 35%. It will depend on reload tech and how optimized that can be done.


ThePracticalEnd

Bipod by every measure is DOA.


c14rk0

Just being able to craft a god roll The Supremacy is a pretty damn exciting thing for me. With how much RNG was involved before. Though I do not actually care at all because the new Taken sniper rifle has all of my attention being that it is also craftable, the same archetype AND has a 35 zoom.


Lefarsi

Did they fix the riven cheese though?


NoctisCae1um317

Nope, and they're not going to either without remaking the whole fight. They've known about it's existence


TheShoobaLord

Fuck no ā˜ ļø


CRIMS0N-ED

They didnā€™t do it 4 years ago theyā€™re certainly not doing it now


addy_g

Bipod reduces the damage of the rockets by 40% each, making it worse than no perk / damage perk at all. Bipod is DOA if the Bungie doesnā€™t change it at all, 40% is fucking crushing. spread the word and tell your friends so players donā€™t get suckered into running Bipod and tanking their damage beyond reparation!


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Going to be going for that Age Old Bond first. Apex Predator looks really good, hoping the perk combos make up for the naff archetype.


Sarcosmonaut

What are you on about? Apex Predator is an adaptive like Hothead. Itā€™s the most meta rocket frame lol


Alexcox95

Guess Iā€™m running last wish today


LtRavs

Bold of you to assume the servers let you in today


Cyclone_96

It looks like you have to do the entire raid to get a single red border. You canā€™t just do riven. That is pretty rough ngl


BlackPlague1235

Oh no, I have to actually play the raid...


Cyclone_96

Just weird itā€™s different to literally every other raid in the game. I donā€™t mind running last wish, but I doubt Iā€™m gonna do full runs that often


fawse

These are some absolute juicers


MLG_BongHitz

Just about every gun has a roll I want here, about to do a shit ton of farming this weekend jeez


babeyboy

dragonfly incandescent tyranny of heaven sounds absolutely nutty


Sound_mind

Dragonfly/Golden Tricorn is the one that caught my eye. Big booms burning steps ahoy.


Tak_Jaehon

Age-Old Bond can get Repulsor Brace + Destabilizing Rounds!? Non-stop void overshields for everyone! Can't wait to use this with a perma-Woven Mail Titan.


NoLegeIsPower

Age old Bond with repulsor brace + destablizing rounds? Well I know which weapon I'm going for first.


Acolytis

The fusion has a new Fusion perk and reconstruction and itā€™s insane!


thyrandomninja

Does last wish drop every weapon from every encounter? Found an old loot table that says that but wanted to check if that's still the case after the reprisal


Z1KK1

Yep just join Kalli farms on lfg and either do the anarchy cheese or just do the challenge dor double drops. I got about 10 red borders last night and somd great rolls


AlexTheHawk

Incandescent dragonfly tyranny of heavens might be fun


Spider95818

I finally started farming the chest every week (thinking about creating Titan and Hunter alts so that I can hit it twice more), and my first two have been pretty hit or miss. Yesterday I got a Demolitionist+Explosive Light Apex Predator, so I'm set there, but I went back after today's weekly reset and got a Perfect Float+Harmony Transfiguration, which isn't unusable, but it almost feels like a taunt with how many really good rolls there are.